NairobiWalker:


False..... interesting how you lie yet insist Nigerians don't lie on this thread.

Nigeria last had a civil war in 1960s, as late as September this year, Reuters reported cases of starvation in Nigeria. See? Were it a Kenyan you'd have already labeled us Kenyans.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1LK2BV


Another lie - if starvation is alien to Nigeria, then it's alien to the rest of the world. You're simply giving me reasons why people starve all over the world and claiming Nigerians don't starve unless those reasons happen.


There you go again giving me reasons why Nigerians brag. See, they brag. Giving me a reason why they brag doesn't make them less of braggarts. To make it worse, they don't even have the bragging rights.


Don't explain how the title came, thing is, you call yourself a giant when you really are not yet still complain about Kenyans painting a rosy picture of their country. Hypocrisy.

You don't believe in it but find no issue with your brothers doing it yet when a Kenyan does it, it irks you. Hypocrite.

Are you even listening to yourself? You used attitudes of Kenyans on this thread to judge most Kenyans yet complain that I'm using attitudes of Nigerians on this thread to judge most Nigerians.


/I should expect Nigerians to brag/ to cut it short, you're mad at Kenyans for daring Brag about their little achievements but completely okay with Nigerians for bragging about their similarly little achievements. How hypocritical can somebody get? Reason I said I prefer open haters like bantudra than wolves in sheepskin like you.

***** From your comment, it is very clear that it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you devoid of insultive words. So, I think I'll pass. I rather spend my time with a more reasonable and courteous individual, otherwise I'll bring myself down to your level. Have a good evening

NairobiWalker:


Did you quote to tell me forgiveness had responded to me?

Don't you find it interesting how you're proud to tell me how forgiveness responded to me when forgiveness' response was all lies - something you deny Nigerians here don't do?

Like I said, I do not even know if he is lying or saying the truth cos I don't know much about sky scrappers and their names. His response just seems true with the way he presents his facts.

**** Besides can you and forgiveness please tell me what this obsession with sky scrappers are? European cities do not have much sky scrappers, yet they are deemed some of the best and most liveable cities in the world with the best economies.

NairobiWalker:


Ooh.....what a hypocrite.

A bigoted mind of cause is selectively blind of cause. It'll only see what it wants to see. For one, just a few hours ago, your brother forgiveness claimed there's a tower in Lagos called Ministry of communication tower. I'm yet to hear you call him on that.

Personally, I don't even know anything about these sky scrappers and their names.
**** forgiveness, is there a Ministry of communication tower? If yes please show us
Arguing with false facts is childishness and I am saying this out to all Nigerians, Kenyans, Tanzanians and everyone here.

mtisTheQubit:

Dont you guys get it when someone is joking..using Pidgin in Kenya is a form of a joke..Even the sound of it is joke..If i want to emphasize my joke , i top up with a pidgin slang

This is interesting. So, you know Nigerian pidgin slangs?

mtisTheQubit:

I got some Hausa friends..to be specific (Fulani)..they kinda look like somalis in a way..Funny you say people dont travel...ya got meet people my friend

Are you for real with this? Do these fulanis live in Nairobi?

NairobiWalker:


Of course, your hypocritical eyes can only read the wrong information that Kenyans write. Despite the fact that 90% of what some Nigerians (like the 688 guy or Nowenuse) post is lies, you only see the Kenyan lies.

~~~ I haven't seen any lies posted by Nigerians here, perhaps you can do me well by helping to point them out to me

ednited:


Where have you been? This place isn't fun as it used to be lol

Yes dear, true, that's because we left it and let hatemongers take over with arguments of hate. Don't you think?

ΔΔΔ I've been fine, been working as a secretary to a company. Also, I decided to leave nairaland cos of so much tribalism and hatred.

~~~We should spice the thread up once again How has it been in ET? I see regular news about your new prime minister. It seems like Abiy Ahmed has been ET's long awaited saviour right?

NairobiWalker:


Thank you for at least being logical. Now let's get them one by one.


1. The 3 Azuri towers are not topped out yet. We agreed on only topped out towers. That leaves you with 10.

2. The Ministry of Communication tower does not exist. The ministry of communication headquarters in Lagos are housed in Necom tower which you already posted. Basically you listed the same building twice. Please genieluv, come call out your brother in his lies now that you're the lies caller of this thread. That leaves you with 9.

3. Independence House in Lagos stands at 83m hence does not qualify to be a skyscraper. https://hotels.ng/places/building/1194-independence-house

That leaves you with 8.

4. 4 Bourdilon tower is not 100m. That leaves you with 7.

......at 7 you think you can compete with Nairobi's 14? Even if I remove the 3 Avic towers, we're still left with 11 - way more than your 7. When we tell you our competition is in South Africa, we mean it.

You can see that forgiveness has replied your post

**** Trust me, this argument has existed before on sky scrappers and I saw how there were so many counter arguments. I really can't tell who is lying here or saying the truth other than reading sheepishly, perhaps till one person taps out.

NairobiWalker:


gems like Nigerians run business in African countries, the giant of Africa, Nigerians are the most good looking Africans, there are no slums in Nigeria (when we can clearly see them), no one starves in Nigeria (when it's well known Nigeria has one of the highest malnutrition in the world with among the lowest life expectancy). I mean - your brothers wouldn't be believing in such absurdity if there wasn't any blind patriotisim in Nigeria.


I don't get the enthusiasm of Nigerians towards their country either especially considering your economy has been shrinking for the past 5 years.

These 2 more points.

***** Yes, Nigerians starve, but the truth is that this only happens in the case of a civil disturbance like a war or uprising.
The entire landmass of Nigeria is fertile and the cultures of 98% of the population are agragrian.
So, if tens of millions of people farm to produce food year in year out, how practical is it for them to starve? Assess it yourself and judge for yourself.

Boko haram displaced millions of people from their homes, and these people are all farmers. Of course there would be starvation. Outside all this. Starvation is alien to Nigeria.

>>>>> About Nigerian business men running businesses in the continent. (sighs). I can't say, cos I do not know much business related stuff.
South Africans have the largest and most influential businesses in Africa, so, if any one should brag about that, it's them. However, Nigeria has the richest man and some of the richest people in Africa and their business span across the continent. We also have a tribe like the Igbos who are extremely good in business and have apparently developed one of the best apprenticeship system in the world.
These may be the reasons why Nigerians brag about this, but as usual, sometimes it's definitely an exxageration.

++++ That giant of Africa title I guess came about in the 60s when Nigeria truly seemed like the giant of Africa.

I myself do not believe that title and do not see the need for it, cos it's all about bragging.

~~~~ If you think the attitudes of Nigerians on this thread is the daily attitude of most Nigerians, then you must be mistaken. Most Nigerians criticize our country and only a few praise it. The ones here just feel the need to oppose the title of this thread.

Nigerian economy is shrinking, but as long as Nigeria is accepted as the continent's largest economy, expect many to brag about it. However I personally don't see anything special in that, afterall we have the largest population, so, anything short of this would be shameful.

NairobiWalker:


Kenyans are as patriotic as any other people in Africa. Going by what I read on this thread, Nigerians aren't different - you've been posting a picture way way way more rosy than what's actually on ground - gems like Nigerians run business in African countries, the giant of Africa, Nigerians are the most good looking Africans, there are no slums in Nigeria (when we can clearly see them), no one starves in Nigeria (when it's well known Nigeria has one of the highest malnutrition in the world with among the lowest life expectancy). I mean - your brothers wouldn't be believing in such absurdity if there wasn't any blind patriotism in Nigeria.


I don't get the enthusiasm of Nigerians towards their country either especially considering your economy has been shrinking for the past 5 years.



This sentence is ridiculously self contradicting. . How can we not be criticizing the government when we are painting a gloomy picture of ourselves?

You've definitely never been to Kenyan social media, lol. Kenyans could be the biggest critics of their government on this planet. Please, follow a Kenyan on Twitter or join a Kenyan Facebook group - stop talking out of ignorance.



Again, you've always been an ignorant girl. The last time you were here you were going on on how Kenyans are dark skinned and not good looking, now you're saying the most ridiculous thing one could ever say.

Kenyans have been known to be the harshest critics of themselves - after traveling through East Africa, most people will tell you for instance that the only reason Kenya is ranked as the most corrupt country in East Africa is because we criticize our government too much and make everyone see it's weaknesses.



You're beyond being enlightened. You're extremely ignorant.

First of all. Let me address the tone of your language. You sound so insultive. You need to stop that if we are going to get into any meaningful discussion to learn from each other.

*****You can see that I left this thread and nairaland as a whole for more than a year, this was because I noticed that this forum started turning me into what I wasn't.
I do not wish to tow that part again, hence please let us refrain from using insultive words on each other, thanks

>>>> Firstly, I have learnt something from your post, and that is 'I shouldn't just pass my judgement with the views of the Kenyans here alone'. I truly have to be in a Kenyan forum with thousands of Kenyans, for me to be able to pass my judgements on how Kenyans criticize their government. That is settled. So, I don't think I will ever ask or talk about Kenyans being so secretive about their political discussions or Kenyans being so optimistic about the progress of their government.

~~~~@ Your first paragraph.
Yeah, I know there was a lot of bigotry in views in my past here and perhaps I need to apologize for those. I do so. I really can't even remember everything I said here or the views I supported more than a year ago.

Some Nigerians on this thread have criticized and berated our government and country, praising Kenya at the same time, including I myself. However, I haven't seen any Kenyan do likewise. Then I wonder who truly shows more blind patriotism between Nigerians and Kenyans.

+*+*+*+ About the points you raised in the first paragraph, beginning with issues of slums. It first of all depends on what we define as slums. If Kibera or Makoko is the basic definition of slums, then truly believe me, Nigeria does not have such (excpet Makoko of course).
However, if the favelas of Rio de Janeiro in Brazil are regarded as slums, then Nigeria has slums, because before unbiased views, there is a very very big difference between what Kibera or Makoko looks like and what the favelas of Brazil look like.

------About skintone, Nigerians and Kenyans should be about the same skin tone. Nigerians may only have more lightskin people because of our population.
Another factor is media presence. For instance, the coastal swahilis and perhaps Somalis should have the lightest skintones in Kenya, but these people are under-represented in Kenyan media, while in Nigeria, the Igbos who tend to have the highest population of lightskinned people dominate Nigerian movie industry.
Kenyan marathon runners are some of the most famous Kenyan people which we all see on Tv and apparently, they are mostly nilotes which tend to be darker skinned than Bantus and others.
As black Africans, We can't really say one group is more good looking than the other cos beauty lies in the eye of the beholder.
••••••••One factor you must consider though is that some cultures tend to value personal grooming than others. Even you Kenyans here have sometime admitted that Nigerians give preference to grooming of looks and appearance. From my point of view, that seems very true! I have observed that Kenyans do not seem to have this grooming culture compared to that of Nigerians and Tanzanians. Perhaps this is the reason why I and some other Nigerians find Tanzanians to be more charming than Kenyans (these are our personal views only).

¤¤¤¤ For example, all Westerners accept the fact that Eastern European women are more beautiful than western European women (you can do some googling on this if you are not aware of the stereotype).
Now, How come this discrepancy when Europeans are of a common stock? This is simply because the wave of feminism did not hit hard on Eastern Europe. Most eastern European women do not have the same mentality with that of western Europe. They believe more in good looks and being very feminine in order to attract a rich man to get married to, while Western women are more of working hard to make their own money to become richer, hence do not give much attention to looks.

68816419:
Lekki (Rapidly developing area of Lagos state )

Distance from lekki to Victoria island

49 min (21.7 km) via Lekki - Epe Expy

Kenya is a joke imagine distance between Nairobi cbd and upperhill is just (3.0KM) but takes 25 minutes to reach their
25 min (3.0 km) via Haile Selassie Ave

Wow! Jonraid, why did you have to lie about the distance of paved roads in Kenya?

**** Lying is the height of childishness and desperation.

I have been going pages and pages back on this thread and I have observed that some Kenyans here tell lies a lot just to prove their points.

Thanks for letting us know the truth bro.

ednited:
@genieluv, how are you doing? Long time. . .

I'm doing fine dear. Truly long time I miss you guys.

NairobiWalker:


I actually avoided responding to him because that would be stooping too low. Go to a developed country like US on social media and see how they mercilessly cut through their president and government - it might make you think your African country is better than the USA. If somebody's source of information on how bad a country is doing is social media comments then this person needs schooling, not debating.

You are very correct.

>>>>However, I think I get the rationale behind his post.
Tbh, you Kenyans seem very patriotic, optimistic and quite enthusiastic about your country. Most Nigerians do not feel this way..

*** I really do not see much differences between Kenya's development and that of Nigeria.
Currently, no sub saharan African country is developing at the speed of countries like China or Malaysia, so I don't really get the enthusiasm of Kenyans towards their country's development.

The attidues and gloomy picture you guys paint of Kenya makes us feel like you guys never criticize your government. That's just is.

¤¤¤¤ Perhaps you guys have the policy of never washing your dirty linens in public?

Please I need enlightenment from all Kenyans here on this subject, thanks @mtisTheQubit, Jay254, rvp20183, kur17

Kazikazi:
Few Tanzanians speak their tribal languages.Most of us uses our religious names and we use our tribal surnames.What makes us one is Swahili language.It is a taboo for a Tanzanians to speak his tribal language in public,you will be seen as a backward somebody. There is no broadcaster or a print media which uses tribal languages.Almost all Tanzanians understands Swahili.we have Tanzanians who can't speak their tribal languages.I myself am one of them.I don't have the exactly number of that.
So the issue of knowing a tribe of a dude doesn't carry a weight to us.we have more than 127 tribes which makes harder to know the tribe of someone.For those who uses their tribal surnames can be identified although isn't easy since we have many tribes sharing surnames!

Ok, thanks.

*****May I know the name of your tribe? 127 ethnic groups? Wow. Very multi ethnic like Nigeria.
Which are the majority of these ethnic groups?
Do any of the ethnic groups posses up to 20% of the population of the country?

-------It's quite clear that most Tanzanian native languages would go extinct in a few decades.
Do your people feel bad about this?
Are there any groups of people fighting to promote the tribal languages?

Please don't mind my many questions, I'm a curious person and also, this is my field of study

mtisTheQubit:


The womb setters I know an totally got respect for them. Have seen guys being recommended to visit them by doctors. The bone setters I might have heard about them, not sure but I guess they are awesome. It’s like the hands of ths guys are blessed .They got a precision which can only be found in advanced Ai robotics ..Any way we should support them in any way possible

Interesting. I never knew they also exist in Kenya.
China really invested in their traditional medicine and modified them. Today, people from all over the world patronize chinese traditional medicine.

*****We Africans on the other hand tend to look down on our own traditional medicine. The one which had been saving our forefathers for millenia and made them grow healthy till old age.

Even though we had no documentations of human development indexes before the west started making classifications.
Do you think our life expectancy in Africa for now is better than what it was in pre-colonial times?

Kur17:


Wow this needs alot of explanation, I'll get back to it later

Still waiting for an explanation about how Kenyatta and Odinga settled out

68816419:

from the horses mouth

Interesting.
I'm sure Kenyans insult and criticize their government and leaders just as we do in Nigeria.

Besides, I just can help but notice the great similarity in Kenyan and Nigerian names.
@mtisTheQubit, Kur17 etc.

Babayo and Njoroge are pure fulani names in Nigeria.

I would have sworn that 'Abuga Makori' was from Kaduna, Nasarawa or Taraba states in Nigeria

Africans are closer than we think we are.

Kur17:


They (Uhuru & Raila) had a one on one talk and decided to bury the hatchet...

"Demography" as in,?

This has to be impossible with the kind of political tensions witnessed.
There must have been some serious compromise and exchanges, perhaps in secret which people may not be aware of.
That's one thing about some 'opposition fighters'. They sell themselves and their supporters for their own benefits.

Demography as in the geographical spread/division of Kenyans according to ethnic/religious/racial/linguistic divides.

Kazikazi:
Yes a third of Tanzania's land is under conservation. I think we can manage our wildlife easily through modern technologies. We will use GMO seeds instead of organic which takes a huge tracts of land,we will encourage the use of skyscrapers in cities to minimize space,also some villagers will leave with wild games.currently our Ngorongoro conservation area have done this.Nothing is impossible.

Interesting.

Villagers live with wild animals? Please how is this done? The animal areas are barricaded with electric live wire fences?

Also, can you tell me about the mining industry in Tanzania? I heard your country is rich in minerals.

Kazikazi:
Its real strange to me.In Tanzania it was destroyed to the point that a dude can be a president without others knowing his tribe!

**** Woow, I wish all of Sub Saharan Africa was like this.

Multi ethnicity has caused so much destruction in Africa and has hindered our progress greatly.

Do you still speak your own tribal language if I may ask?

Also, don't you guys still answer your tribal names? Otherwise I think people should clearly be able to guess the tribes of others when the see their names?

mtisTheQubit:


On the TV ..LMAO.. OK that’s just extreme. The only stuff I see here is usually some medicine men from a certain neighbor country advertising their goods. They call themselves doctors an can cure any disease and even male performance..
By the way I think West Africa stuck with their traditions even with the arrival of Christianity and Islam.

Hahahaha @the bolded. We have so many of such people in Nigeria here. They even claim to be able to cure HIV/Aids, Terminal cancer, brain tumor and all other sicknesses that even advanced medicine cannot treat

But any way, in every nonsense there is some sense.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3158503/

https://mamalette.com/blog/pregnancy/ask-mamalette-what-is-traditional-womb-setting-and-massaging/amp/

Can you see the links above? These people are actually good in what they do.
When I was in Port Harcourt, I witnessed a neighbour who had a terrible accident and the medical doctors adviced that his leg had to be amputated. Trust the Ijaw natives of the city, they took the man to a traditional bone setter. I accompanied them, so it's not as if I was told some story. Lo and behold, that man is walking today with his legs very well and he is healthy and sound.
These traditional bone setters work like magic. They use their bare hands to reset, re-adjust and re-allign the bones, muscles, nerves and everything else.

Same way you have the womb setters. When doctors advice women to go for a surgery, they seek the help of these traditional women and these women do the work better than medical doctors.

Nowenuse:



Here you are massaging the egos of these silly Kenyans.

I also watched it on CNN. Don't let few things you see about Kenya fool you. Well, I don't even need to tell you that. You have been here before and seen everything for yourself.

Lol. Massaging their egos? Well, I'm just complimenting what I saw. I know Kenya better now. They do have good parts and terrible parts. However, I think they are one African country making progress.
I love seeing the progress of Africa.

I know we have so much poverty in Africa, but if Africa or most possibly Sub Saharan Africa was one big country, I don't think we would be deemed so underdeveloped as we are now, cos then we would boast many world cities.

Kur17:


That's so unfortunately, I hope the whole world we'll not end up like that bcz it looks like that's the direction we're heading

No the world won't. Population growth is reducing or stabilizing in many countries of the world. Africa is just the only place it seems not to.

****Land is also being conserved. I think it is in Kenya right? I read somewhere that ⅓ of the land in Tanzania is being conserved for wildlife @Kazikazi, can you corroborate this?

Besides population predictions estimate Africa's population to double in the next 30 years. How do you East Africans hope to manage your wildlife with the population explosion? As for West Africa, we have lost our wildlife, so nothing to protect anymore.

Kazikazi:
Tribalism in this day n age? That was bad hey, Who were the tribalists?

Tribalism is very strong in Nigeria.
*****As a Tanzanian, I know this would be strange to you. You guys are so lucky that your predecessors enliminated this in your country.

Kur17:


It's not that there's any laws barring political arguments, in fact we have freedom to criticise the government anywhere anytime

Our politics are mostly not issue based, but what someone believes in...

We can argue until the next elections, and the arguments will definitely get muckier by time... before our politicians rearrange us again

tlann:
just don't talk about kenyan politics it is a senstive issue

Ok, I see. Since you guys don't want to enlighten me about your politics. I'll try to read it up online.
I mostly just wanted to know how Raila Odinga was pacified.

***** Can you guys talk about demography of your country? Cos I have some questions to ask pertaining to that.

mtisTheQubit:

about Muafrica its was a joke ..but seriously i do miss her..

by the way its not west Africa alone...its an African thing if i may say...By the way the hypocrisy of the educated ones is astonishing if i may say..

Ok,

Believe me, I think West Africa has to be worse. In Ghana, do you know witchcraft is broadcasted on live TV? Yes you heard that right

I think people mix culture and diabolism together. So, there may never be a separation.

Edodefender:
well I'm not the one taking the pics

Then why sharing them here? What message do you intend to pass with them? There could be underage people on this site or don't you know?
Please I beg you to stop this.

Edodefender:
I heard if you want Kenya, Ghana, south Africa,Tanzania girls/women.. just tell them you are from Nigeria.

Please stop this. This is denigration of womanhood, it is unnacepted and insensitive. Thanks

Kur17:


Hmm I appreciate!!!

Does Nigeria have wild animals?

Well, we have only a few left Same with the Entire Western Africa.

I think the population explosion of West Africa endangered our wildlife species.
West Africa is densely populated, especially Nigeria. So, humans and animals were left to compete for scarce rescources.

Kazikazi:
Beautiful lady,I have been treated badly here with these Kenyans.I don't why! I mean they hurt me.I am disappointed. Neighbors who didn't allow me to post photos of Tanzania!
Just imagine they are calling me lazy,now they are saying i have love charm,etc.You know I hate those stone age practices of charms!
But why do they hate me? Why?
And I am the only Tanzanian here.The other guy was left after he was abused in the same manner.They hate me without reason.

Oh my God.
Well, I'm not surprised if that happened. Kenyans here were degrading Tanzanians in the past. They've had it hotter with Nigerians, but since it's our forum and we have numbers, we squared them up and sometimes give them a good ass whooping Other times they do same to us. It was kinda fun though, but really heated with insults sometimes.

*****I'll go back many pages to see if I can catch up on some past debates and conversations.

I'm sorry Kenyans gave you such a cold welcome on Nairaland. Nairaland is the largest online forum in Nigeria and possibly Africa. There are many non-Nigerians here, so I hope you do have a good time here and learn more about West Africa and Nigeria.

>>>> How did you find this page if I may ask?

Meanwhile, there are some questions I'd like to ask you about your country if you don't mind , Thanks.

Nowenuse:


Jenni, it's been many months now, your number suddenly stopped going through. Ya kike? Surprised to see you here all of a sudden.
You've been away from nairaland for so long!

Ina nan lafiya kalau. Ya jindadi? Gaskiya na rasa waya dina. Na gwada retrieving SIM ama bai yiwu ba. Sai na saya sabo. Zan tura maka sabon lamba a sakon anjima.

Ama daka tura mn sako a facebook.

Yes I left nairaland cos there was so much tribalism on this forum.