₦airaland Forum

HarryDuce:
And she doesn't get tired of discussing culture

N history too dear (wink wink ) as a proud history student that i am.

9jakool:
Then differentiate them when appropriate. You were wrong when you started talking about Hausas-Fulanis conquering Northern Cameroon and parts of Nigeria, because it was the Fulanis who did, not the Hausas. To say, Hausa-Fulani conquered Northern Cameroon and parts of Nigeria will be historically inaccurate. Also, I am not removing Hausas from the Fulanis in Northern Nigeria's history, I am simply correcting the inaccurate info.



No, during the Jihad, it wasn't more of a mixed thing as you put it. In Northern Cameroon, the Fulanis fought wars with the native, not the Hausa-Fulanis as you put it. The significant mixing in Nigeria among the Hausas happened AFTER the Hausas were conquered.



They were always warring, however here is a significant detail, the Hausa conquest happened in a matter of just 4 years from 1804-1808. The conquest of the Hausas was by the Fulanis. Most of the gains of conquest happened in the 2 decades following this. In fact one of the last, if not the last territorial gain of the Sokoto caliphate happened in 1824 after the capture of Ilorin. In the later decades, Sokoto caliphate was expansion was halted.



And what defines a civilization again? The Europeans called themselves civilized and yet committed genocides, practiced forced conversion, and slavery.

The Sokoto practiced brutal execution methods like stoning and amputation. In fact the Sokoto caliphate was the state that had the most slaves per state in Africa on record in modern history and the second in the world only behind the American South. Benin traveled on foot, ok, so would a camel or a horse survive in the forest belt of Nigeria?

When i saw your first reply 2me n continued seeing your presence here without a comment, i knew a long post bombardments was coming @me very soon. Lol.

**** I am not absolving the fulanis as the major conquerors, all i am saying is that the fulanis after conquering hausas made use of Hausa soldiers to conquer other areas n these numerous hausa soldiers also settled the newly formed emirates together with the fulani conquerors. This was the similar case that played out with the Nupes. Till date, it is regarded that Nupe jihadists were the ones who raided n conquered Auchi, buh the Nupes only formed the foot soldiers while the leaders were still fulanis (who were already becoming Nupenized).

Yaaah, buh i agree with you, in the case of Adamawa emirate (which includes Cameroon) n to an extent Gombe, most of the foot soldiers were not hausa n this lead to stronger n more homogenous fulani settlements buh in other conquered parts of Nigeria (emirates), the fulani settlements were heavily diluted by hausa culture n language.

¤¤¤¤ Talking about hausa kingdoms being easily conquered, it wasn't as if Danfodio n his men engaged all the hausas in a full scale war. It was more of an internal usurpation of power by deposition of the apparent corrupted hausa royalties. A situation which many hausas themselves also supported (Danfodio). It wasn't a full scale war.

Yaah, Sokoto caliphate expansion was repelled by some Nigerian groups buh that didn't stop their forceful desire to sink the Koran in the atlantic ocean, did it? They re-inforced n took other routes usually. Most Plateau n Southern Kaduna tribes, Jukuns, Tivs n Mumuyes repelled them buh that didn't stop them from diverting to Nasarawa area n they did much havoc n islamization in Nasarawa area (lower Plateau). They also managed to later penetrate the Plateau through Wase/Kanam axis through eastern bauchi n Taraba north.
So, believe me, one way or the other they might have re-attacked yoruba land (perhaps through the Nupe jihadists who had taken over Auchi). I have also read about how Nupe-fulani jihadists raided Okun yorubas/Ebiras n almost conquered them. Lemme look for those documents. I need to re-read them again.

9jakool:
Your argument is reminiscing to the European Supremacist who used the same argument to call Africans "savages." The writing argument is perhaps one of the oldest case in the book.

I give the Hausas and Fulanis kudos for educating their citizens how to write Arabic and the modified Ajami, but to use this as a basis for supremacy arguments is far from wrong.

Nothing beats literacy my dear. Lol

ednited:
@genieluv

Trust me, I know how Nigerians use their traditional clothes. You guys use it everywhere. And am proud of you guys.

I also know that the people in court make white wig in the court room.

we don't do any of that in ET. We just make suits.

Back then at the time of Hailesassie tho, leave alone just making our traditional court, he only uses Amharic for a speech in UN

That's great. I myself have always wondered the rationale behind a white wig n black africans adopting it.

nemesis2u:
lol
kenyan guys here dont play smart with google

just google this
"second largest employer in Nigeria after Nigerian government"

if u have difficulty add i**** at the very beginning

dont blame me, i want the interesting and entertaining fight to reach new heights

it is turning into a good info thread

anyways i am outta here pronto

leaving nairaland....

Is it just me or you are an Indian troll? Well thats something. I never knew Indians would stalk n troll africans.
Hey, why don't u go stalk Pakistanis? cos really i don't see anyone who would be so interested in india here except probably Kenyans who may be obsessed with Indians .
Hey TayserMahiri, Pissedyagami, mtis, stop starring at moi, i didn't say nothing (runs away)

chkil0:
, in algerian cities there is bars, Liquor Stores ect....

Well, i suppose there r no brothels?

Lionessza:
Lol, good for them and hopefully we will stop hearing all the " we are a black nation and failure is to be expected" bullshyt.

I have been watching you n TayserMahiri long ago, seriously, you guys would make such a good couple.

*** Bantu lovers in crime n trolling Nigerians.

Lionessza:
But she said Kenyans and South Africans make excuses about the things she mentioned.

Yaaah i think i did, buh most were applicable to Kenyans. The only one applicable to South africans was the white n Indian thingy.

mtis:
1963 Kenya independence we were same level as South Korea..but I might say you guys were really really ahead of your time ..1859 most of Africa an Asia was in dark

Yaaah we were ahead. We west africans (coastal) had very early contact with the Europeans. Since the 15th century we related with the Europeans n this lead to the slave trade.
Some of us started receiving western education even before british colonialism buh it was just a few though.

chkil0:
here also many have a wrong idea about north africans arab / berber difference .

so Arab when you check the definition : its not only poeple genetically arab from the arab golf countries , it include also poeple who use arabic language as first language . thats the case of north africans , so we are arab only by language .

but by genetics and origins maghrebis are all berbers . so berber arabs refere to the language only

here in the pic a genetic study about tunisian population DNA for exemple

Kk, that's true, interesting.

***Your cities also look very European in architecture, i guess most of them were built during the French occupation right?

TayserMahiri:
Nigerians are so good at excuses.

N Kenyans n South africans don't give excuses?

You guys excuse your slums
You guys excuse your poor entertainment industry
You guys excuse the white n Indian influence in your countries n many many more.
You guys excuse your poor promotion of african cultures

Everyone will always want to defend his or her country. Lol.

TayserMahiri:
Its actually very hard to find kenyans fighting other nationals, we have respect. Nice words from you . Nigerians on the other hand fight even here in Kenya, like they trying to prove some shtt that they dont have. I hope Nigerians change because I know exactly why that is common among them. About our culture, as I said we happen to be very westernized. I dont know how it happened but the first government really just wanted to lift kenyans from poverty and disease I think they forgot about clothes. But we have culture, you can see it every day in our adverts on TV.

Sorry buh hey, i've been watching Kenyan TV stations on DStv n online sometime now, n i have never seen anything cultural on it.

****Ednited i think is not fully aware how much Nigerians display culture enough. I think we r the most traditional africans (especially in the clothing aspect).
This is what a Nigerian parliament looked like in the 60s n today. You hardly see our political leaders n lawmakers on Western clothes since independence. Always on traditional clothes. I have hardly seen that in other African countries. Is that the same case in ET?

chkil0:
dont know if its the second in africa in tall , its the minaret of the great mosquee of Algiers with 270 meters (886 feet) tall in Algiers . a multifonction building with a mall , retaurants , libraries , museum , sky-lobbies etc ....

Hello, nice pictures n videos from Algiers. Are you Algerian berber or arab?

ednited:
In my view

if I have to be honest and talk about the behaviour of Kenyans and Nigerians. . .

Both of you are the same. I have met many Nigerians and Kenyans. I never fighted with a Kenyan, ever!!

But I did with some Nigerians. They have been looking down on ET (some of them).

But on this thread, I found them supportive, friendly and sociable ppl. Which is really nice to see


And Kenyans, please promote your country on culture! I mean I was begging to see ur culture in pics. You guys are a bit slow for responce on this unlike the Nigerians

I bet the reason you fought with some Nigerians was probably cos you interract with more Nigerians online. See you here on a Nigerian forum with millions of Nigerians, so there is a higher chance you come across the good, the bad n the ugly of Nigerian people. Lol

**** Have u been on any Kenyan fora with this much people?

Hbuyosh:
It's like he controls the country. In Kenya any good or services u consume, chances are the producing company either is owned by Kirubi, or he has some shares in that company. His business interests are varied and so widespread.

Media houses, textile and apparrel firms, hair and beauty products, food and beverages, pens, model agencies, hotels and resorts, real estate, shopping stores.....what a guy!

A true business person. Exactly what i aspire to be. Apparently he started from a young age right?

mtis:
1859 you guys had a newspaper..what the fvk happened to Nigeria

The fucck was wrong colonial policies n military rule. Especially military rule which set us decades backwards.

Hati13:
Dear genieluv

I think my previous song post may be wrong. It may be this. Check it and tell me they aren't the same.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhQCfqDuiEY

Kk. I tot as much. However the first song was nice. The lady had such a good voice.

**** The movie pendulum was an ET movie? Was this dance part a scene from the movie? I never knew Ethiopians can do this kind of dance. Lol

9jakool:
Yes they did in 1859. It was based in Abeokuta. It's the first newspaper in Nigeria.

Kk. That was great. Just that i know that the educated population then were extremely minute n rare. Or not? It couldn't be as widespread as that of the hausa-fulanis where the masses n majority of the population learnt how to read n write Ajami n Arabic.

9jakool:
Stop saying Hausa-Fulanis. First Hausas didn't conquer parts of Northern Nigeria and Cameroon, the Fulanis did just like they conquered the Hausas in Nigeria at the time. In Northern Cameroon, there is no Hausa-Fulani in reality. Hausas were not united until the Fulani conquered them. Before then, they were a collection of states.

The Fulani also had the same Jihad throughout the rest of West Africa in Maasina, Fouta Djallon and Fouta Toro. The Hausas adopted the more conservative form of Islam adopted by the Hausas.

I know of a Mandika from Mali named Mansa Musa who traveled to Mecca on a caravan. I wan't you to name prominent Hausas who did so on caravans, not that I don't believe you, I just want to know. Only thevery rich or prominent could afford to go on hajj back then.

Also, I don't know what you are using as criteria for civilization. Must the Benins have a caravan to be considered "civilized" enough. They built the largest earthwork on the face of this planet, one of the largest walls in the world and the largest in Africa. They had a system of government/administration, they had a taxation system, they traded. What else must they have to be civilized enough?

Lol. I say Hausa-fulanis together because the Hausas also had their own kingdoms almost 1,000 years before they were conquered by the fulanis. At the peak of the hausa kingdoms in the 16th century, the hausas were already competing with Mali empire n Kanem-bornu over transaharan trade. They had been quite civilized before the fulanis came. So, you cannot absolve the hausas from the fulanis in core-northern Nigerian history.

**** Another thing is that, once the fulanis conquered the hausas, the fulanis heavily married hausa women due to shortage of fulani women creating highly mixed/hausanized fulanis and the fulanis also took more hausa soldiers with them to further conquer eastward n Southward territories. So, it was more of a mixed thing.

>>>>Hausas n fulanis throughout their histories of the kingdoms n sultanate were always warring. The sultanate especially was more interested in conquest n expansion than trade n wealth unlike the Mali empire, so no surprise if they weren't so wealthy to travel on caravans, while the older hausa kingdoms were always fighting each other, fighting Kanem-bornu, Kwararafa, Southern pagan tribes e.t.c (This is why most hausas still feel grateful to Danfodio for uniting them).

~~~~ Benins never learnt how to read n write and that set a huge blow to their claimed civilization. Human sacrifice, killing of twins n other abhorable practices were still the order of the day. N also, benins only travelled on foot. Lol

Hbuyosh:
Correct!!!

That is Mr. Chris Kirubi.

Kk. I have read about him.
He is apparently one of or the most succesful Kenyan business men, isn't he?

ednited:
Me and Hati13 are being very open to you guys on our govt issues. If you call a single Ethiopian and ask him about our govt, he will run away. Cuz he knows what will happen next. Everyone is scared

Oh gosh! . ...well, at least you guys r safe here on a faceless Nigerian forum or is it possible for them to track you guys over here?

TayserMahiri:
Kenya's largest mall Two Rivers owned by the guy in the last picture

Is that the Indian man who owns the biggest malls in Kenya n dominating Kenyan economy??
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Hahahaha, just kidding

That must be Chris Kirubi if am not mistaking?

ednited:
There are many stories I don't even know. Trust me. . . .

but what hurts the most is that the govt is full of dramas and lies. They are just making a mask and faking it.

They let each tribe fight. . .I am sorry, I can't talk morethan this

I will try to read up about ET govt as much as i can. I hope i will find veritable facts online? Or are all the ills of your govt hidden from the public?

ednited:
I can't allow them to step on my dream. My dream is far from politics

The political atmosphere of your country to a large extent influences your dream.

ednited:
No, I think you are knowing the very unknown artists. It's very funny cuz it happens all the tym. I have a Nigerian frnd who's addicted to ET songs but all the artists he know are not known here

Buh these so called unkown artistes have some good views compared to other ET songs i see on youtube. The quality of their music videos r also amazing!

*** Besides, i know 95% of Nigerian musicians as numerous as they r in Nigeria. So?

ednited:
Yes. Only be an Ethiopian, then live in Ethiopia. You will get the answer then

Pls, can you summarize in points some of these sufferings for me?

ednited:
Lets just say our govt's eye is only open for economic growth and investment


entertainment, internet and stuffs like that isn't their thing

My ear is now bleeding hearing the 'Ethiopia's economy is rising'

Kk.

Economy rising on what percentage growth?

Hati13:
I don't know why, but internet here is expensive; especially cellular data and watching video online.


Either by card or monthly subscription from Ethiopia Telecommunication. Not just internet, but also for call or text.


TPLF(Tigray people liberation front) is a Tigray organization currently dominating the EPRDF Gov't.

Sister genieluv, please come and save us.

Hmm, data subscription is also quite expensive in Nigeria too.

Chei, me come over to ET to fight? Lol. I think you seem to be exaggerating things here.
Ednited, are the TPLF as bad as Hati13 is painting it?

obaaderemi:
What you just corroborated is very wrong.I missed this because I didn"t visit this thread for about a week but it's history and we must correct it when we notice someone is getting it wrong before it is accepted as fact.The hausa fulanis like she said were organised before colonialism but so were some others too.Did you know that the binis were already sending ambassadors to portugal by the 15th century?they couldn't write but could depict anything in bronze.Then the greatest error genieluv made was saying even during colonialism the hausafulanis were doing better,when the yorubas already had a newspaper by 1859 and were already producing doctors,lawyers and administrators.The north remained backward throughout the colonial era due to the wish of the British.

Pls be realistic, Maduawuchukwu n i were saying nothing buh the truth.
Benin kingdom sending ambassadors to spain, did that make bini more civilized than the hausa-fulanis? How many Binis knew the way outside Africa apart from the so called ambassador who was navigated on ship by the white men from the coast?

**** For God's sake, hausa-fulanis n Kanuris were riding on horses n Camels across the Sahara to the middle-east. They knew how to navigate their paths all the way to Saudi arabia from Nigeria, they went for pilgrimages. They engaged in transaharan trade with the Arabs, Persians n others. They had schools where their populace learned how to read n write, till date, there are scrolls of hundreds of years written by the hausas in records. They had an effective tax system. Almost half of present day Nigeria n northern Cameroon was under their administration.
There is no basis of comparison here. Other Nigerian groups were still killing themselves for sacrifice to the gods n passing information through folktales. Lol

obaaderemi:
What you just corroborated is very wrong.I missed this because I didn"t visit this thread for about a week but it's history and we must correct it when we notice someone is getting it wrong before it is accepted as fact.The hausa fulanis like she said were organised before colonialism but so were some others too.Did you know that the binis were already sending ambassadors to portugal by the 15th century?they couldn't write but could depict anything in bronze.Then the greatest error genieluv made was saying even during colonialism the hausafulanis were doing better,when the yorubas already had a newspaper by 1859 and were already producing doctors,lawyers and administrators.The north remained backward throughout the colonial era due to the wish of the British.

Yorubas had a newspaper by 1859? Before the British arrived? Which language was the newspaper written in? Or did you mean to say 1959?

Hati13:
I never watched the video online. You know why? wenedem TayserMahiri come here and let together answer say it. IT'S BECAUSE OF ETHIOPIA INTERNET


Oh I searched the name online and I remember his face. Sad he is a dwarf. Do you listen his musics?

I thought as much that he was a dwarf. Although i was also contemplating if he was a child. Hence the reason i asked you guys.
I think you n Ednited should try his music, lol, i stumbled on it n really, the guy has the smoothest, softest n most melodious voice i have heard among ET artistes!

ednited:
Because she is tired of complaining

Hmm, buh why does your country seem to have so much problems like this? Are your leaders dictators or what?