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emmaodet:
I don't know why there is this strong anti-chinese/china among nigerians.
They are far better that the west.

Here: https://share.google/wfkidVH91J4dYufaL

Nigeria's first methanol manufacturing facility owned by the Chinese. Mind you, some years ago, one of Jim Ovia's subsidiary companies planned to build a methanol facility in Eket, Akwa Ibom State. Apparently, the Chinese have built it even before one of our wealthiest persons.

The new bauxite mine in Guinea is an engineering masterpiece, which the Guineans are so impressed that it's the first time a railway line was conceived and completed for operation. Before 2030, a mine processing facility would also be built. By who? The Chinese. Meanwhile, hungry people will be screaming cHiNa iS eXpLoItInG aFrIcA.

owobokiri:
All of you that are perennially anti China on this forum are either on a project commissioned by some powerful imperialist powers, or totally out of depth on how useful the Chinese can be for the development of Africa. This relentless negative propaganda onslaught against the Chinese is alarming...

No other super power is determined to share knowledge, technology, finance, technical knowhow and training like the Chinese. They're genuinely interested in improving the living standards here. But some of us prefer "grants" and "aids" from those who have been looting Africa for eons..

China will be to Africa what Africa wants her to be to her. If you want her to be an imperialist, she might end up as one. If you want her to be a spectator, she might end up like that too. But if African countries are able to calibrate serious diplomatic engagements with the Chinese that will lead to a cross-fertilisation of ideas, technology and knowledge, heavens will be the limit...

Thank you so much. I really love your last paragraph. I call it the scratch my back, and I scratch yours model. They scratch ours really hard, and they are open to theirs being scratched hard as well. In the end, the best scratcher win or both scratchers win.

YoungLionken:
You know, we can't overemphasize this enough...

Wow! Ned cannot say he did not know that Regina na chimney before and early in their marriage.

pocohantas:
Edikan ikong is ugu + waterleaf.
Editan leaves are different. I don't know the name in English. But all their soups manage to look alike on the surface. Maybe because it is mostly the combination of two greens.
😂

Yes, Editan and Afang look like, but taste very different. However, Edikanikong looks very different due to the conspicuous presence of waterleaf.

You can get fresh afang in major markets and if you see fresh one, you go know. Unfresh one dey take style bitter. There is à Friday market I get them. Women come with fresh farm produce to one bush market and my afang seller buys on Thursday evening to resell because they sell off quickly on Friday. If I miss it, I have to wait for another Friday. If I am lucky, I can see remainder on Saturday morning.

The ills of living far away from one's region. I wonder how those in Abuja and Kano cope. It is nice to read that there is a huge demand for Afang leaves.

emmaodet:
Yet, we see more impacts in the China $200m in train stations etc to the free US $500m grants

Bros.....you too give yourself advice

You see ba? Awuff culture. Grants don't create many jobs or goods for exports. Grants don't offer technical skills to many ordinary Nigerians who have just WAEC or ND/HND.

emmaodet:
I don't know why there is this strong anti-chinese/china among nigerians.
They are far better that the west.

I am thinking of many reasons such as:

1. China does not do freebies. So for people who are used to free things, embracing the Chinese would be hard.
2. The Chinese have a strong work ethic, an overwork culture and strict adherence to rules. This is not a Chinese thing, but East Asian. Those principles made them who they are today. Many Nigerians find such work conditions to be bad. I can understand.
3. Chinese companies don't pay well. Well, as I have stated, salaries are a function of productivity and population. Our productivity is low and the population is high. Salaries are low in India, Indonesia and Vietnam. We are at the nascent stages of industrialisation. History is replete with such societies with low salaries. The Chinese are the ones investing in that aspect more than the Americans. And we need more factories so we can produce more, and factories' jobs are what our people need, not TikTok influencing. Factories ensure life-long skills and productivity. Nigeria needs jobs; the Chinese bring in capital and technical know-how. I don't get the irritation.
4. Some people are jealous that a different country with its own systems and cultures is pairing up with the US. They never imagined it in their lifetime.
5. They are envious of the Chinese because they believe it should have been them. It is how you mentioned how Angolans prefer Portuguese or White people to Nigerians. They believe na them for dey there. But believing is not the way; you work for it. Nothing is free in life. You work for it.

chidiokay:
All i see is you "stressing" Grammar, how do you posit Africa is in love with china considering the queues at America embassy undecided, how many people you know personally hustling for china passport or citizenship

America is an Anglophone country and has been the world's biggest economy for a long time, so it is appropriate to have many Africans, especially from Anglophone countries desire to move to the US. Even though most of us are guilty of it, "hustling for another country's passport" isn't something to be proud of. But that hustling for passports has no basis in our debate here about Chinese investments in Africa.

its funny how guyz like you come up with some reasoning .. do you know how many blacks/families benefited from US visa lottery DV, who china help

Lol! Going by your name, do you know how many Igbo boys China made today? Bebex got paid from Nwa Boi, entered China without any knowledge of the language to buy goods and today, he is rich. There are many like him across the major markets in Nigeria and West Africa. Today, other ethnic groups and women, especially, are going to the same China. Rwandans who speak Chinese are earning not less than $500 per month as translators for Chinese businessmen in their country.

Nothing is free even in free town buh still you dont have point here, cos America has the most record of donation and grants across the world. FIY

It seems we have a different value system. I don't like freebies. I like to work for my own. Say No To Feeding Bottle Mentality

Nothing is wrong in " transactional" Buh why you are trying so hard to " Demonize america that is both an investor and help support to Nigeria is what i questioned

I am not demonising America, but setting the facts. China invests more in Nigeria and Africa than the US. That is a fact. That is not demonising. Stop putting words into my fingers. That is not a nice thing to do.

I doubt you understand the rate at which chinese go about " capital flight" they are the biggest gainer in All ... so dont tell me to hate US and luv china for what ?? who they help whats there record helping nations in crisis zero.

Then set up your businesses and keep the capital to yourself. You have no right to restrict capital repatriation. I do agree that the US assists more in times of crises, but I think that is a cultural difference between the superpowers.

Your arguement here is needlezz, whats the point of bring up china against Country like America ... what are you hoping to achieve or just assume Nigerians are gullible. if america strike terroist you believe china will fight America because of decesed terrorist. please google how much china make from export to Us .. please keep to matters in your level

I support Donald Trump's calls for the persecution against Christians in Nigeria to stop. My argument is that China has invested and created jobs for ordinary Africans than the US-led West has. The Chinese have done well for themselves, and I am proud of them. I am not pro-China or pro-USA. I am pro-prosperity for African countries and the Black race. So any willing partner is welcome, provided we become prosperous.

End. Of. Discussion.

yemre:
20 and 17 are not mates. under normal circumstances, 17 has just finished secondary school while 20 is already in 200 or 300 level in the university. It is customary for Sanusi to have married an 18. Even at that, have you ever heard of any such drama from his domain? Even Okoya's youngest wife has never made any dramatic public appearance like Regina did.

Even the 17 is disputed because that was not the age Ned married her. It got changed as things went awry.

The fact remains that she was not well trained! She lacks manners and has no respect for elders or any institution.

Agreed. I also believe it is the consequences for Ned's behaviour as well. He is a land grabber and has destroyed lives in his axis.

By the way, where is her father? I learned the father was not even consulted when Ned wanted to marry her! That's an abomination in any Nigerian culture.

The father kicked against the marriage, and rightfully, both parents should give consent to any of their child getting married. A disapproval from one party is enough to decline the marriage intent.

Anyways, I believe he will get to learn some lessons here and as for Regina, I just SMH.

Ned is not a good man. So ntoor to him.

ariesbull:
All you wrote is lie
....there are culture that allows divorce and perversion and that's what is reflected

Divorce is only one part of what I wrote, but everything else is a lie?

yemre:
Haha.....just imagine! Someone who gallantly removed her from Nollywood and made her the envy of the industry even as a teenager!
Ned recalled having sent about 250million to her mum. Imagine what he would have done for her and her siblings just for the mom to have benefited that much! I still blame Ned 💯 because it's not Regina's fault. She's a child and marriage is not for children. It is for matured adults who decides to marry and face all the consequences of marriage. So she doesn't understand all those things and she still hasn't learned anything as a result of the kind of life she lives. It's a lesson for Ned tho.

Razak Okoya's youngest wife was married at the age of 20. Lamido Sanusi married an 18 year old. I do agree that Ned is at fault for being too free and involving himself with such a family. The Ned sef isn't without blemishes as he seizes people's lands in his constituency.

amazingspiderma:
Which beer palour do you get your news from?

The same Internet you used to type this statement, please use it to compare the value of FDI by the Chinese and Americans into those states I listed. Tell us which country has more industrial estates in those listed states.

chidiokay:
if its unfair and wicked to protect " intellectual property" we wont have copyright nd patent law .. the bigger good is findings solution and distributing freely

Agreed. I forgot to mention my preference for protecting IP as a motivator for further discoveries. But it is the West that has always played the "we are moral" card. No one expects morality or lovey-dovey from China, Russia or even India. Those ones say it as it is. So, when the lovey-dovey West decides to behave otherwise, it raises eyebrows. Is there anything wrong with strictly eyeing profits? No, but don't be hypocritical about it. One major reason many Africans like the Chinese is their straightforwardness. You already know what they want, and they are not interested in how you run your country or culture. Not a loan today, then ask the country to enshrine LGTV.

indian, china name it come with vaccines strictly for profit making, go to IDP camps and see for yourself 90% of free material there are from America
Your china Your india ... dont do free but " sales"

See above. But hey, AstraZeneca and Moderna made a lot of money from COVID-related treatments to the extent that the latter had to shed jobs when everything subsided.

Nothing is free in today's world.

The most potent vaccines the world have today is supplied by america, i stand to be corrected

Agreed.

Its true chinese are largest investors in Nig, Buh its transactional as a matter of fact the chinese aint helping our economic cos of automated capital flight there profit dont stay here

Why should it not be transactional? Don't they pay taxes? Employ people? Why should a business not be transactional? Nigerians who are now flooding China, do they go there for charitable purposes? Why should it be different from the Chinese?

Of course, profits should be repatriated to the origin or wherever the owners deem fit. Why should Chinese profits remain in Nigeria? Are Chinese Nigerians? There are Nigerians working in different parts of the country, and when they make the money they desire or as they make it, they send the bulk or everything to their ethnic region via building houses, opening newer branches, etc. Why should it be different from the Chinese?

A major reason many Western companies closed shop in Nigeria was because of the exchange loss when profits were repatriated to their HQTRs. Why should the Chinese be different? Storing capital in Nigeria is the business of Nigerian entrepreneurs. Something Dangote does or whether he has fully moved his capital base to Dubai in the name of Family Office.

The pooriest working condition is from the chinese, poor renumerations and poor welfare packages for Nigerians employed, chinese are not doing us a " valid" favor cos they expliot us more

The "working conditions" are poor, but that is how working conditions are across Asian countries, especially at the nascent stages of industrialisation. The Chinese toiled and toiled to be where they are today. This exploitation talk does not follow because there are clear choices: work or don't work for the Chinese. Poor remuneration isn't a Chinese thing. It is an overpopulation thing. Salaries are low in Indonesia, India and Vietnam. Good enough, they pay on time because we have more Nigerian entrepreneurs who owe or short-change their staff. No be Nigerian HRs dey ginger foreigners not to pay standard wages and provide full benefits to their fellow Nigerian workers?

Like i said, as you posted china FDi in Nigeria, please post china Capital flight then let's compare with America's donation/grants to Nig.

Again, capital flight does not follow. Abuja is not Beijing. Foreigners have no obligation whatsoever to store their profits in Nigeria. On top which currency sef? As for donations, aids do more harm than good. No country developed on the basis of aids. They did via FDI. I have read how Malaysia is attracting both Western and Chinese capital into its rare earth sector. Indonesia did the same with bauxite and copper. Zimbabwe and Guinea-Conakry are doing the same.

Dambisa Moyo, in her book Dead Aid, wrote about it. She has degrees from elite institutions in the West and has been a fervent defender of the West, its policies and values, but had a re-thought.

chidiokay:
The entire FDI of china to africa is Not up to the Donations America have made to africa
show us capital flight of china from Africa to juxatapose your " narrative"

Across all IDP camps in africa you will find America support, no china presence,
Incase you forgot Covid 19 spread from china, what was china support or assistance to the world then instead it was America that largely donated across the world, check America donation to Nig n please tell us china as donated more

When we speak of illegal mining china dominates and they are main culprit in Nigeria, the question here is can you separate illegal mining from colonialism syndrome

Yes, corona virus originated from China, but the West actually kicked against sharing the intellectual property behind their vaccines until pressured stepped up and India was capable of producing vaccines. China later shared its vaccines to interested African countries.

In Nigeria, more jobs and investments have been created and made by Chinese owned investors compared to Western owned. States like Kaduna, Kogi, Nasarawa, Ogun, Ondo etc., would have been worse if not for Chinese investments.

Immatex:
Knowledge is free but you won’t do any research before you come up here to disgrace your village people.

Read below for your detailed enlightenment:

How Much Does China Owe the US?
China’s direct sovereign debt owed to the US (i.e., US urce-backed development with vulnerability to shocks. For the most current figures, check US Treasury TIC data or Boston University’s CLA database, as these evolve monthly.

This lie again!

As a country, Nigeria owes China the most as a single lender, but overall, our debt owed to the Chinese is less than ten percent of our entire debt obligations.

Also, it's a lie to say China is trapping African countries with excessive loans.

See here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-06/nigeria-owes-more-money-to-china-than-any-other-country-chart?embedded-checkout=true

And here: https://www.ntu.edu.sg/cas/news-events/news/details/breaking-the-myth-of-chinese-debt-trap-in-africa

Mcslize:
The bolded part is like finding a needle in the deep ocean.

Majority of our girls are now damaged and far from being chaste.
If you find one, let me know.

Who damaged these girls?

Nigerians go support yahoo yahoo criminals, then complain when the negative effects showcase themselves in the society.

MikeofKd:
Nice one sir .........
I'm thinking 30 or 35 , well for finances , I'm okay in that aspect , I have a few successful businesses. I can comfortably take care of 2 to 3 people so it's not a Biggie.
I'm just low-key scared of marriage ,I've seen many marriages go bad , my parents , my uncles and aunts , even my broda too , it scares me a lot.

I just pray I find a good Nigerian woman.

After him don "chop" the entire West Africa

If you people are asked to explain why you campaigned and voted for Buhari in 2015 and 2019, una go begin foam.

Well, well, well...

yemre:
It is obvious the girl and her siblings have been into drugs before she got married to him. The reason why the NDLEA has not visited the house is what I don't understand.

on't be surprised that till today, she still sees everything you've ever done for her as a joke because she obviously doesn't know the meaning. Her perception to life is clearly different from yours. She might not even understand the real meaning of marriage, let alone marrying into a polygamous home.

Anyways, what do I even know. God will help you. That's all I can say.

Someone who asked him, "What have you done for me?"

yewit37486:
See how Senator Ned Nwoko used his own hands to invite drama into his life.

Man's lust seems to be his Achilles Heel.

This is someone he should have hit, pay off and run. He decided to privatise her and the entire family.

justwise:
Do you know the strange thing about many of you in support of American military intervention is that you can not provide a single evidence that it has ever worked anywhere in the world but you still support it.

Let me ask you this...give me one country that America has helped militarily to bring about peace and security, one.

If America truly care about the 'cherished Christians in Nigeria and want to put pressure on Nigeria govt to do more then there are many other tools they can use to intensify the pressure..sanction Nigerian politicians, seize their assets, travel ban including their families, work with Nigerian military by sharing intelligent about the location of these militants, cut off their weapon supply channel, supply Nigerian military with weapons, the same level of support Israel received to go after Hamas in Gaza and outside Gaza city.
America did all that without carrying out air strike or putting foot on ground.

f you think that the American govt give a sh.t about the killing in Nigeria then i want you to pass over to me whatever you have been smoking

Thoughtful solutions except the bold. The Nigerian military is compromised and largely full of incompetent people. The talk about seizing natural resources does not hold as Western companies controlled a greater share of our oil production until they opted to drill elsewhere, where the costs and community relations are better off. If na rare earth, other countries have them in abundance, and nothing stops American allied companies and countries from owning and operating mines in Nigeria. The issue with rare earth is the refining, which the Chinese control. No African country can attain that height.

These are the miscre_ants the US govt should share information with?

Eboofa:
This is Lagos.....the land of aquatic squalor.............Onitsha multi storey buildins are better than these!

You mean the one that has a young boy carrying water upandown the staircases?

You have a sort of such in Singapore, but the public housing areas and buildings are regularly maintained. They have a few issues periodically (lifts not working as scheduled or properly). We lack a maintenance culture. It is one reason public housing might not even work well in Nigeria. LagosHOMS has open gutters with toilet sheet oozing out in the bare view.

ednut1:
The man may be killed anytime soon

Obadiah Mailafia was even more prominent than this reverend. He goofed by meeting the Nigerian army.

folake4u:
Nice one!

Yeah, the afang Poco cooked was really nice. Maybe this is a sign for pocoh.antas to give me again so my taste bud doesn't lose the soup's memory. What's special in using fresh afang leaves? And why does the cook's origin matter? I don't think it follows oh. Lol.

The freshness matters since it is tied to the taste. Also, because you are in Lagos. If it were in Port-harcourt or Owerri, I wouldn't have mentioned it. The fresher the leaves, the tastier the soup. It is like eating a freshly prepared soup compared to a one week's one-week-old soup. She must have cooked it well. But because of home ties and my experience in camp then (the woman deceived me with her origin), I want to know where the cook comes from and has lived for a considerable period.

I've been hearing of this Editan soup but haven't eaten it yet. I can't remember how Edikanikong soup taste, I ate it as a child and really didn't like it.

Editan is fantastic! Hopefully, a great cook does it for a first-timer like you. But it is way better than Afang due to health reasons. Takes long and is expensive, yes, but better overall.

Chai! I miss home o

Lol so nothing special about sushi? Wahalur.
It seems your stomach isn't sensitive, it must be nice. I have a sensitive stomach and I admire people that eat any/everything.

Absolutely nothing appetising about sushi! Again, for first timers, I can understand. But it is just there, aka, bland, bland and bland. Well, after my culinary experiences, I am open to anything these days. The stomach has adjusted.

I've heard that Japanese meals ate idea for weight loss. Do you like South Korean cuisine?
I know a handful of them through watching their movies like Gimbap, Kimchi, Tteokbokki, Naengmyeon and Jajangmyeon.

Yes, weight loss when eating Japanese meals happens alongside using the trains (climbing staircases and all), walking down the street etc. Interestingly, our women still have those lovely big yanshes. This thing is obviously genetic, else the backside should have slimmed down. But overall, you lose weight by eating Japanese dishes and doing things like them.

No idea about South Korean dishes, as I don't come across them often like the Chinese.

I don't know much of Indian meals except Roti and Biryani, I think.

Na my friends carry me go one of those Indian restaurants and I fell in love with their dishes.

olutund:
does being with a girl without sex,
even count as dating??

So what do church members of Deeper Life and its likes do? Courtship?

madridguy:
This is another avenue to loot. You don't need prayer to fight insecurity but good weapon.

Interesting comments from you within the past few weeks.

What happened?

JESHAL007:
The damn truth Is a lot of men will forever worship pussies they would never get

Is this admiring a beautiful woman but knowing it is not possible to mate with her? Or worshipping a girl one dates but would never get access to the vagina?

folake4u:
Lol no wahala. Black soup is really nice and medicinal. Asides eba, I use it to eat rice or yam. Anytime I travel and visit home, my mum welcomes me with Black soup or Banga soup. They're my top favourite soups.

Then, I look forward to eating it.

Generally, I'm not adventurous with food and quite a picky eater. I ate afang soup last year courtesy of Poco sending to me, I was skeptical of eating it but it was really nice. Since then, I've not eaten it because if I try a restaurant and it's not at par to what I tasted previously, I might dislike it. I have a very weird taste bud.

Afang is delicious! No doubts about it. But there is another soup known as Editan, which is not as sweet as Afang, but healthier and medicinal. The cooking process is more tedious and longer than Afang. The price too is higher. For an inexplicable reason, I don't like eating Edikanikong after the day it has been prepared. Since you just got started with the soup, continue that way until you get used to it because the freshness of the Afang leaves is important, and I insist the cook's origin matters, to me at least.

Fermented beans? Wowww. I could never. How about sushi? I can't wrap my head around eating raw fish.

Smells bad, but I ate it without issues. Sushi is just there. To me, nothing appetising about it. I understand the craving by those who haven't eaten it or lovers of anything Japanese who have never visited the country. But it is just there. A sushi restaurant was the first place I was taken to by the lab's secretary and a fellow student after I arrived in the city. To me, it seems the Chinese have better dishes (especially as a West African) compared to the Japanese, and they are easy to prepare. I have met a fellow Nigerian who has been here for almost a decade and does not know how to prepare Japanese meals because they are too tiny in portions (I agree wholeheartedly). Japanese dishes are good for weight loss.

It is actually good to try a dish at every given opportunity. I have eaten curry rice and vowed never to continue because it is just there. Rice and any of our soups are better. I look forward to eating Durian (a fruit), which smells bad. Interestingly, Mainland Chinese love it even though their cousins in Southeast Asia don't like it. I love Indian dishes.

folake4u:
Gerrard, quick modify your post make I nor blow your head with my gun.

Black soup is for Edo folks. Banga is for Delta region.

Thanks for the correction, as it has been modified. I was right to have added the question. I have eaten Banga from Delta, but I guess I have to eat it again to truly know the difference from its Akwa/Cross version.

Before now, trying dishes I was not brought up with was hard, but after eating Asian dishes, I am open to anything and everything. During my welcome party, I ate natto (fermented Japanese beans that has an unpleasant smell) and my prof was shocked.

So, henceforth, anything goes.

folake4u:
Oh you even follow the gists on IG? I don't have that energy. I'm tired of seeing her gists splattered on NL's front page. At this point, I'm irritated!

I come across this news against my will.

folake4u:
Wrap it up already, Gina.

Ugh!

lol

When I saw the post on IG, I uttered, "This girl is stu*pd! Who asked you all this"