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I can only but laugh at the poster LMAO, ayanle Biko (please) go and create a SomaliLand forum where you guys can praise your so called beauty ok ..... I really don't want to diss Somalia because I have somalian friends in school, but seriously dude , Somalia cannot be compared in any way to any other African country, not to talk of Nigeria, Ghana and Southafrica but most especially Nigeria. I'm pretty sure the dangote or even adenuga can buy that country if it goes up for sale. That country Somalia is immediately associated with poverty and it's generally because of you guys sad pictures everywhere on the Internet that makes westerners think Africa is poor and not industrialized. And about you running for president, already you have shown your very Myopic view on life and a very very low level IQ and I can comfortably say you will never be president ok. Please learn to respect Africa as a whole, I don't really care if you guys are Arab looking, but for me Africans are Beautiful and Africa as a whole is more than beautiful

ceaser: Liar! Liar! bug on the wall!If someone died in 2000 and was resurrected this year, that person will'd prefered getting resurrected in Ghana and woulda regretted ever getting resurrected in Nigeria. Things have worsened. Third fastest growing economy my foot. Who you be sef to try to take us for fools in this forum? Oh, yeah I get it, you've been possessed by GEJ's lying spirit.

Lol! It's backward people like you that never progress in life. I don't just say non factual rubbish, you can check places like CNN , vanguard and this day newspaper.....if you are not aware, Nigeria now has a middle class, it didn't have one by 2000, a number of our major roads are now in good condition, the country is growing in infrastructure as time goes by. I am not going to compare Nigeria to Ghana because anyone who knows the stats knows that Nigeria is among the top three Economies in Africa Nevertheless Ghana is a great Nation of its own and if you prefer being Ghanian you might as well relocate there because your not necessarily a factor or a contribution to Nigeria and yea just because your sad state of living has not changed since 2000 doesnt mean the country isnt progressing, rather you are the one not progressing ok. Lastly I'm not possessed by GEJ's spirit or whatever.....I just believe in a greater Nigeria and there is no load of facteous nonsense anyone would throw at me that would sway me off my belief. I am proudly Nigerian

shymmex: You earn respect, you don't demand it..

GEJ hasn't earned no respect - only pigs, tribalists, and fellow thieving bastards and puppets respect that man..

He stole (Yeah, every kobo they steal from Nigeria is part of my national wealth) from me and my unborn children, and he deserves no respect.

No offense tho, but what exactly did GEJ steal from you and your unborn children

Every president has his critics, even Obama has a wide range of them, therefore it is no surprise that GEJ has some too. Most people just started hating on the guy after the price of gasoline increased( the whole subsidy saga). Personally I don't believe he is the perfect president, there is never one..... But I have heard him talk, watched his interviews and I will say that he has great plans for the country. I'm really not into the whole tribalistic debate, the president can come from anywhere....I don't really care, what intrest me is our country's growth and indeed we have started to achieve that growth (the third fastest growing world economy). If someone died in 2000 and was resurrected this year, that person will notice the great positive change in the country. Finally, bad mouthing Nigeria or the president will most definitely not better the situation of the country, same thing as tribalism...... Nigeria needs its citizens to believe that one day, in the nearest future it will be proclaimed a first world country.

shymmex: You earn respect, you don't demand it..

GEJ hasn't earned no respect - only pigs, tribalists, and fellow thieving bastards and puppets respect that man..

He stole (Yeah, every kobo they steal from Nigeria is part of my national wealth) from me and my unborn children, and he deserves no respect.

No offense tho, but what exactly did GEJ steal from you and your unborn children?

I really don't believe they bought a jet, probably chartered one. But some people on here are just saying very derogatory things about them. Fact remains that these guys are far from poor. Poor people don't just buy X6 and range rovers or even chatter jets and yea at some time they won the KORA awards which I guess is worth (1 million dollars) so poverty is really far from these boys.

moremi2008: This is a lie. Few people besides politicians and the very top businessmen have $1million-$2million lying around to build these types of houses. It's no coincidence that a majority of the newer houses that were posted are located in Abuja. My uncle builds premium houses like these in Abuja and I know from several personal conversations with him that a good 70%-80% of the clientele for show-piece Abuja mansions are politicians, ministers and top government workers. Successful people that made their money in the private sector through legitimate means (i.e. "doctors, nurses, engineers, lawyers, CEOs, business men and women, actors, artistes" rarely choose to invest that kind of money in a relatively illiquid asset that might sit empty for most of the year (they typically build relatively modest mansions close to where they actually work and live like Lagos/PH). The vast majority of the spanking-new Abuja mansions you see are built with stolen money (ditto for most of the structures on Banana Island).

Stop spewing lies if you don't really know what you're talking about.

Funny enough not all the houses posted on here are in ABUJA!!!, and not all lands in abuja cost a million dollars upwards.......some of these houses are in Lagos and other places too. You just seem to be talking without sense, in which country in the world does a majority of the population live in million dollar houses??, its virtually impossible!!!!....just so you knw too my uncle is an architect and designs such buildings for people and his clients range from Engineers, to Bankers, accountants and CEO....you should understand that houses like this are majorly owned by the elite of the country and not even middle class people. Just so you knw, Nigerian Politicians are actually paid salaries and they can also save to build or buy what they can afford. Frankly its up to you to believe or not but if you want to keep living in that backward way of thinking "all politicians are theieves" Just so you knw some of these politicians actually made good money on their own before joing polictics e.g Ngozi Iweala, Allison madueke, sanusi....just to mention a few..and there are also big names like Dangote (richest black man alive), Mike adenuga, Jim ovia etc. So please get a reality check

xchrsx: Well, no doubt these houses are beautiful but how many Nigerians with legitimate money can afford them,most of these are stolen and we knw it .I pity this country and its confused leaders

No offense but you need to change your view on things like this, first of all most of these are not middle class houses and therefore would not be affordable to any and everyone and I can assure you that a majority of people can legitimately afford theses houses.....managers, CEOs, business tycoons etc

Irunmole: The forum is for you to air your like or dislike of the topic being discussed and not for you to jump on my neck for airing my personal opinion. If you don't like my comment look elsewhere. Simple.

Noted but I couldn't help but point out your very shallow comment.

playboy19: Ofcourse na naija. I know this building for Area 11. I go one 6 yr old boy bday for there some 3 yrs ago....Ol' boy, the party be like a wedding ceremony. Majority of us self no see the kid wey dey celebrate bday.



Well, i guess it musta been a while you visited naija. Majority of these buildings are far from cheap. Majority are multi-million dollars houses. Consider this, Land alone in Lekki is between N150m - N400m [ $1m - $2.5m] and in Asokoro where majority of the houses are situated, it's always between N300m - N1b [ $2m - $6.5 ] and that's just for the land.

In addition, i'm not sure about the procedures you have to go through when buying a land in lekki but i'm in deep know about the Asokoro's. First you need to come forward with your proposed plan prototype. And you can be sure you're not contesting with any less of 20 people over the same lot. So on the paper, the best prototype gets to buy the land (don't forget the price has not even been set yet) but in truth, na the person wey "bride" pass, go buy the house. Which means, many, many under-th-table-envelopes must still exchange hands.

So just eliminate that "someone living in one of those hows was a plumber" thought off your mind, except he or she is/was the Villa's plumber.

Well said....

Irunmole: Mansions built with money stolen from you and I.

I seriously don't know why some Nigerians still have this foolish way of thinking........first of all, most of these houses aren't owned by politicians!!!, people actually work in Nigeria....we have doctors, nurses, engineers, lawyers, CEOs, business men and women, actors, artistes and so on.....politicians are not the only wealthy people in the country. Most of these politicians actually started making money on their own before joining politics . secondly, the fact that you don't own a property like this doesn't mean money has been stolen from you; I'm very sure you didn't have a billion Nara that was forcefully taken by the government.....I believe you should work hard on your own and stop blaming the government for your misfortunes because there are people out there making cool cash in Nigeria.

Danigmatic: is acting not a productive venture?

its exactly people with your mindset that hinder the youths from venturing into these areas of professionalism

I see it as not only a Nigerian problem but an African Norm. Almost all Nigerian parents want their children to be either engineers, doctors, lawyers etc. as they see educating their children as form of investment with which they can reap from when they are probably retired. Metaphorically speaking; one of the thousand Nigerian ways to die is telling your parents you want to become an actor or an artiste(musician). Most people who get into music and acting in Nigeria have either failed in the academic sector or first achieved an academic status before embarking on the entertainment venture or are multitasking the both of them. Its also the same in sports, i find it appalling that most federal Universities in Nigeria don't have gymnasiums except the few private ones also including high schools. In most of the western countries athletic scholarships are given to most athletic students who stand out in the sport they do. Well back to the entertainment industry, you can imagine that people like zac efron, taylor lautner, Miley cyrus, Selena gomez etc earn from $30,000-$45,000 per episode of their shows and the ones who play minor roles earn nothing less than $10,000 or Jaden Smith who made over $2 million for his role in "Karate Kid". First of all i believe the whole Nigerian movie industry (Nollywood) should be reformed and most small companies producing very low budgect movies should merge with the much larger ones and form big conglomerates;(there shouldn't be more than 20 or 30 movie industries) and there should be a specific amount of capital required to establish a movie industry by the Nigerian Film Board at least $1 million, this would thereby create greater budgeted movies and improve the general quality of Nigerian movies, then children and teenagers can be introduced to the system. I'm sure if Nigerian parents see the big bucks involved in the movie industry then, they will be less strict on their children joining the industry..... some will even take their kids to audition.

Nigeria keeps growing.....

Olodostein: To know where you are going, you have to know where you are come from. Economics makes the world go round.

I understand that you have good intentions but for the most part, good intentions are always not enough.

Electricity ushered in a new age of inventions and economic revolution. Without electricity, would you have digital computers to process payment at the "Big Malls". Without electricity, how would you light them up? The ironic and quite frustrating thing is that, the little electricity supply that are allocated to road side welders will be used to illuminate these unproductive malls for longer hours. Thereby, indirectly putting these welders and others like them out of business.

I would visit Fela's shrine as a tourist than I would these malls.

I sarcastically compared Nigeria to Somalia in such scenario because we earn about 90% of Forex from crude. And if Forex were to dry up because of drastic drop in crude price in the international market, in such a baseless economy, what forex would you use to import goods? What else do you sell the outside world that brings in Forex? These malls will dry up overnight. Consequently we will have inflation for essential goods brought from overseas and deflation for some other products.

Ofcourse we have hard working people who rake in huge amount that can afford expensive things. But you have to be a Tarzan to be in those category. Honesty is becoming a taboo in our society. The Moral fabric is rotten. People get contracts and jobs these days by bribing their way up leaving merited people behind.

In first world countries, there is value for your money no matter how expensive. Besides, they have industries that brings them in much needed Forex as compared to ours. If my memory serves me well, Exon mobil's revenue is on par with that of Nigeria. Can you imagine that? Just one fortune 500 company!!!

A one room self contain in Abuja town is 450,000. I have come across a lot of Diaspora's who wants to settle down in ABJ because of the relative development but couldn't because it is way too expensive. Politicians controls the real estate market here my friend. Some lands goes for 300million naira and up.

I will leave the analysis of the Nigeria states economy for another thread.

Our nation is fundamentally flawed at the end of the day. Nobody saw the security menace as it is today coming? Other social menace may follow suit.

Point noted.....but these malls are already built and I'm sure there are people with your intelligence working in these government agencies and hopefully they can explain the boom in the erection of these malls and they may also explain its benefits to the country. . Nevertheless, it was a good debate and I could see your very rational approach to the topic.

Olodostein: To know where you are going, you have to know where you are come from. Economics makes the world go round.

I understand that you have good intentions but for the most part, good intentions are always not enough.

Electricity ushered in a new age of inventions and economic revolution. Without electricity, would you have digital computers to process payment at the "Big Malls". Without electricity, how would you light them up? The ironic and quite frustrating thing is that, the little electricity supply that are allocated to road side welders will be used to illuminate these unproductive malls for longer hours. Thereby, indirectly putting these welders and others like them out of business.

I would visit Fela's shrine as a tourist than I would these malls.

I sarcastically compared Nigeria to Somalia in such scenario because we earn about 90% of Forex from crude. And if Forex were to dry up because of drastic drop in crude price in the international market, in such a baseless economy, what forex would you use to import goods? What else do you sell the outside world that brings in Forex? These malls will dry up overnight. Consequently we will have inflation for essential goods brought from overseas and deflation for some other products.

Ofcourse we have hard working people who rake in huge amount that can afford expensive things. But you have to be a Tarzan to be in those category. Honesty is becoming a taboo in our society. The Moral fabric is rotten. People get contracts and jobs these days by bribing their way up leaving merited people behind.

In first world countries, there is value for your money no matter how expensive. Besides, they have industries that brings them in much needed Forex as compared to ours. If my memory serves me well, Exon mobil's revenue is on par with that of Nigeria. Can you imagine that? Just one fortune 500 company!!!

A one room self contain in Abuja town is 450,000. I have come across a lot of Diaspora's who wants to settle down in ABJ because of the relative development but couldn't because it is way too expensive. Politicians controls the real estate market here my friend. Some lands goes for 300million naira and up.

I will leave the analysis of the Nigeria states economy for another thread.

Our nation is fundamentally flawed at the end of the day. Nobody saw the security menace as it is today coming? Other social menace may follow suit.

Point noted.....but these malls are already built and I'm sure there are people with your intelligence working in these government agencies and hopefully they can explain the boom in the erection of these malls and they may also explain its benefits to the country. . Nevertheless, it was a good debate and I could see your very rational approach to the topic.

Olodostein: High-man, you are going off point. I am talking about making the fundamentals of the economy strong.

How would you feel after living abroad for so many years with good infrastructures, you come back to your fatherland to rely on generators and what not?

It is dumb to compare those countries you mentioned with Nigeria. What is their per capital income to ours? What is the cost of doing business there? Did they build malls everywhere before stabilizing electricity and water supply? Cmon bro, get real.

I don't have problems with cars people drive. It just happen that eating public funds and driving big cars in a condescending manner has become the norm in Nigeria.

If some technology were to drastically reduce the price of oil to $5 per barrel, then will you accept the stark reality that Somalia is viable than your baseless economy and your pride shattered. The internet did it to post office and computers are still doing it to a lot of jobs out there.

Don't think you can decipher people's status on here, after all, this is just a forum.

Again, I would say I understand your argument and I can tell that you are really dwelling into the Economical part of this discussion with which you make some very good points. Nevertheless I would like to differ with you in some places; first of all I was not going off the topic and I was definitely not trying to de-mean people on this forum as you rightly said its just a forum. I was just tackling some points in general that I saw reading along the comments on this forum and basically not only yours. Yes or maybe the US, UK and some other first world countries had electricity sorted out before dwelling into these malls but I assure you that the plan of building malls didn't come along till electricity was out of the way. On the other hand in Nigeria, the factor of electricity has not been sorted out but yet people need these such places,; it generates employment no matter the level of income the employees get( keeps them off the street), it also brings about tourism and generates revenue for the country in some way...... Then again if something were to drastically reduce the price of oil to $5 per barrel, that would affect a whole lot of countries heavily includIng Nigeria but will still not make Nigeria as Somalia because Somalia suffers other things than just the lack of oil. With your level of intelligence I'm sure you don't also believe that it's the politicians who steal money that are able to afford SUVs or Luxury cars , because I'm sure people in government don't make up to 10% of the population and there are engineers, doctors, nurses, accountants, CEOs, lawyers, musicians, actors etc who make their living solely on their work and salaries and I'm sure they are not eating into public funds when they buy a Range Rover or a Land Cruiser. I am also not comparing these first world countries to Nigeria, obviously they are better in terms of infrastructure, revenue, GDP and all that, but also the cost of living in those places is way higher than that of Nigeria. In Nigeria you can get a 3 bedroom house in Lagos or Abuja or wherever depending on the area from 250k-1.5m annually ( on the median) but in the US the minimum you'll see is $550 a month( and this would probably be some ghetto area where they shoot and kill every other day) but the middle class end would range from $800-$1600 every month.

My main point is that some Nigerians should try and stop degrading and dejecting their country because it hasn't greatly favored them because their are people in Nigeria that wouldn't leave for anything but some see these first world countries as the God's own country or the only way out but end up in the US working minial jobs and it is very hard or virtually impossible to climb the social ladder in any of these countries. ( I got sentimental in my last paragraph forgive that.)

lacasa: Neo-colonialism at its peak

Malls poppin up ΐn α society where 90% live below 2 dollars per day

Politicians r d main few ϑα† ca afford τ̅☺ shop ΐn dis kinda places

Window shopping should be made α crime

Utter Rubbish!, I can afford to shop there any day and I am a student furthermore nobody I know lives on $2.00 and I know a lot of people so it most definitely not 90%

@deenee, Thanks for your very excellent view on this topic.

The Funny but yet annoying fact is that, Most people on this forum don't believe anything good can ever come out of Nigeria. They expect Nigeria to be as beautiful as Dubai or as rich as the US, they believe that no person should be poor and they simply don't want to come to terms with the fact that there must be a hierarchy in the society for social balance. I believe some people on here would keep on blabbing if Nigeria is declared a first world country tomorrow.

@olodostein, I can in some way understand parts of your argument, but i would say it is mostly nonsense. You were talking about the kind of people that go to these malls, saying they drove SUVs and all that. First of all have you been to malls abroad? (Emirates, Edmonton?) do you see the kind of cars parked at the car lots?, ranging from SUVs to super fast cars? and just to inform you, there are hybrid SUVs now in the market and who are you to dictate the kind of cars people use, it is strictly their business whether or not they are gas gauslers . About the Class issue with these malls , most people enter malls typically for window shopping or just to select an item or two. It happens everywhere in the world!, not everyone that enters a mall has the ability to just put things in the cart without looking at the prices and I'm sure you also do not have that ability. And when exactly do you feel these malls should be put in place?, when Nigeria looks exactly like Dubai right?, then we can start having malls? are you okay?.....We are not jumping from stone age to the 21st century, just because there are malls being built, I'm sure you know some places in the US or Uk have little or nothing to do with electricity and people still live and survive!.

As for some that were blabbing that 90% of people in Nigeria live on less than $2.00 a day, please I would like to know where you got that fact from. because if that is true then where is the middle, the upper and the elite class?, if you think of it...it doesn't make sense! That info basically means 9 out of 10 Nigerians are poor, which is a very HUGE LIE!!, and for the others involving the government, please stop blaming the government for you self inflicted wounds, the fact that your poor or lacking doesn't mean the government kept you that way, or do you expect the FG to give you N10m??, where exactly were you when others went to school, got degrees and started making money?...... Some Nigerians should learn not to compare and condemn the country based on some first world journalist's facts but help build the country. like someone on here said, some of you work at Walmart, McDonald, TESCO etc and are here blabbing about Nigeria as a failed country, meaning you would rather work where your accommodated than where you are celebrated

@Uncle, I in some way understand your argument, but i would say your points are totally baseless and not facts. You are probably not very up to date on news concerning Nigeria, although i cannot remember the exact URL as to where i read about Nigeria's economy as the 3rd fastest growing economy in the world but i would refer you to the vanguard newspaper. As for the roads, electricity and other things you talked about....these things can be seen in every country of the world!. The US or UK doesn't have interlocked and tarred roads throughout the entire country also no all Nigerian roads are not bad, a majority of them are good. People should understand that the whole Nigeria can't look like Dubai under one person's government.

It's sorta funny because if these VIP's were given their own private jets or airlines ignorant Nigerians will still say rubbish, did you expect these people to fly commercially ? ( stand in lines and wait for a ticket, boarding pass and all that) . Some Nigerians waste too much time trying to blame the government for all their self made problems. And as for some person who was saying some blatant rubbish about ngozi making every country like Nigeria, if you mean making us one of the best and fastest growing world Economies, then yes!, that woman is highly educated and got that nomination based on her qualification and obviously your opinion is not a factor.

[b][/b]READ THROUGH THIS AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE ILLUMINATI IS AND STOP DWELLING IN FOOLISHNESS. The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened" is a name given to several groups, both real (historical) and fictitious. Historically the name refers to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776. In more modern contexts the name refers to a purported conspiratorial organization which is alleged to mastermind events and control world affairs through governments and corporations to establish a New World Order. In this context the Illuminati are usually represented as a modern version or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati.
The movement was founded on May 1, 1776, in Ingolstadt (Upper Bavaria) as the Order of the Illuminati, with an initial membership of five,[1] by Jesuit-taught Adam Weishaupt (d. 1830),[2] who was the first lay professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt.[3] It was made up of freethinkers as an offshoot of the Enlightenment and seems to have been modeled on the Freemasons.[4] The Illuminati's members took a vow of secrecy and pledged obedience to their superiors. Members were divided into three main classes, each with several degrees, and many Illuminati chapters drew membership from existing Masonic lodges.

Originally Weishaupt had planned the order to be named the "Perfectibilists".[1] The group has also been called the Bavarian Illuminati and its ideology has been called "Illuminism". Many influential intellectuals and progressive politicians counted themselves as members, including Ferdinand of Brunswick and the diplomat Xavier von Zwack, the second-in-command of the order.[5] The order had branches in most European countries: it reportedly had around 2,000 members over the span of ten years.[3] It attracted literary men such as Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and Johann Gottfried Herder and the reigning dukes of Gotha and Weimar.

In 1777 Karl Theodor became ruler of Bavaria. He was a proponent of Enlightened Despotism and his government banned all secret societies including the Illuminati. Internal rupture and panic over succession preceded its downfall, which was affected by the Secular Edict made by the Bavarian government.[3] The March 2, 1785 edict "seems to have been deathblow to the Illuminati in Bavaria." Weishaupt had fled and documents and internal correspondences, seized in 1786 and 1787, were subsequently published by the government in 1787.[6] Von Zwack's home was searched to disclose much of the group's literature.[5]

Another reorganisation took place in 1780 after the Lower Saxon noble Adolph Freiherr Knigge joined the Illuminati. In 1782 he gave a structure similar to the Freemason lodges to the order that had until that point, as Weishaupt himself conceded, not actually existed anywhere but in Weishaupt's head. Leadership of the order was given to a so-called Areopagus that consisted of Weishaupt, Knigge and others.[citation needed]

This new organisation allowed the Illuminati to recruit numerous Freemasons and infiltrate entire lodges against the backdrop of a crisis that the higher grades of the German Freemasonry were going through after the collapse of the Order of Strict Observance in 1776.[citation needed] This relatively apolitical and romanticising movement claimed succession from the Knights Templars and had enabled Karl Gotthelf von Hund to get the German lodges under his leadership. For years he had been claiming to be in contact with "Unknown Superiors" who had let him in on the deepest secret of Freemasonry. However, after no such "Secret Superiors" contacted the lodges after Hund's death in 1776, the lodge members were perplexed. At the great Freemasons' Convent of the Strict Observance, that was held in Wilhelmsbad from July 16 to September 1, 1782, Knigge and Franz Dietrich von Ditfurth, the second Illuminati representative and a most radical proponent of the Enlightenment, could claim the opinion leadership for their order. The templar system was given up and the Order of the Golden and Rosy Cross, itself trying to succeed the Order of Strict Observance, remained in the minority. The two Illuminati even succeeded in winning over Johann Christoph Bode, one of the leading representatives of the Strict Observance.[citation needed]

As a result, the disagreement between Weishaupt and Knigge intensified so much that it threatened to break the Order apart. Therefore an arbitral tribunal called a “Congress“ was convened in Weimar in February 1784. It came as a surprise for Knigge that the "Congress", in which among others Goethe, Johann Gottfried Herder and Duke Ernst of Saxe-Gotha participated, judged that a completely new Areopagus should be created. Both heads of the Order were supposed to resign from their positions of power. This seemed to be an acceptable compromise. It meant an obvious defeat for Knigge, as the founder of the order would probably still have the same influence even without the formal chairmanship of the Aeropagus. Silence and the return of all papers was agreed upon and Knigge left the Illuminati on the first of July 1784. From this point on he turned away from the "fashionable foolishness" of trying to improve the world with secret societies. Weishaupt for his part handed over the leadership of the Order to Johann Martin Count of Stolberg

While members of societies were quarrelling amongst themselves, secret societies had attracted the attention of the Bavarian authorities. They deemed the objectives of progressive-minded secret societies suspicious because they concentrated on changing the traditional order and on establishing a "rational state" by infiltrating public offices. On June 22, 1784, the Bavarian electoral Prince Charles Theodore consequently prohibited any "communities, societies and associations", which had been founded without his approval as a sovereign ruler. With the insistence of Father Frank, the chancellor Baron of Krettmayr, the Rosicrucian Baron of Törring and other people at court, another edict was released on March 2, 1785, which explicitely mentioned the names Illuminati and Freemason. It banned them for reason of treason and heresy. During house searches various documents of the order that showed further circumstantial evidence for their radical objectives were confiscated. Documents which were found with a deceased courier gave away information about names of several members. In two letters to the bishop of Freising, sent within the same year (June 18 and November 12), Pope Pius VI declared membership of the order to be incompatible with the Catholic faith.[citation needed]
Organisation

The most valuable secret of the Illuminati was their own moral system of authority, which was already practiced inside the order, but was now supposed to be applied on the outside world. The deceit and patronizing of the lower-positioned members soon provoked disagreements within the order. This was caused by Weishaupt's aim to perfect the individual by encouraging it to practice more self-discipline and covert leadership. He assumed that for the improvement of the individual the first necessary step was to know its secrets. Probably, he adopted this concept from his arch-enemy, the Jesuits, which were known for their slavish obedience and their gentle but still effective leadership by means of confession. Actually, according to Illuminati-expert Agethen, the order stayed in a dialectic entanglement with its opponents: they used Jesuit methods of investigating the conscience in order to emancipate the individual from the intellectual and spiritual domination of the church; they also used a ranking system and mystical fuss, similar to the enthusiastic irrationality of the Rosicrucians, to further the success of Enlightenment and rationality. They subjected their members to an utterly totalitarian monitoring and psychological techniques in order to ultimately free mankind of the despotism of princes and kings.
Members

This temporary success cannot hide the fact that the Illuminati order mainly consisted of quite subordinate academics who maybe joined the order especially in the hope of more career opportunities. Indeed their hope correlated with Weishaupt’s concept of infiltration. Of course new members were ignorant about those intentions. The order hardly achieved its actual aim, namely to form the intellectual and political elite of society. Apart from the mentioned exceptions (Goethe, Herder, Knigge), all the really important representatives of the German "Spätaufklärung" either completely absented themselves from the order (as Schiller, Kant, Lessing, but also Lavater whom Knigge unsuccessfully tried to convince of joining for a long time) or shortly afterwards quit, just as Friedrich Nicolai did, out of disappointment about the rigid structures within the order. “Bookworm Weishaupt and his companions, utopists in a good and a ridiculous way” were never considered a real threat for the state of Bavaria but “the challenge for the old regimes was of course still too strong, even in this moderate form.”
Barruel and Robison

Between 1797 and 1798 Augustin Barruel's Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism and John Robison's Proofs of a Conspiracy both publicized the theory that the Illuminati had survived and represented an ongoing international conspiracy, including the claim that it was behind the French Revolution. Both books proved to be very popular, spurring reprints and paraphrases by others[7] (a prime example is Proofs of the Real Existence, and Dangerous Tendency, Of Illuminism by Reverend Seth Payson, published in 1802).[8] Some response was critical, such as Jean-Joseph Mounier's On the Influence Attributed to Philosophers, Free-Masons, and to the Illuminati on the Revolution of France.[citation needed]

Robison and Barruel's works made their way to the United States. Across New England, Reverend Jedidiah Morse and others sermonized against the Illuminati, their sermons were printed, and the matter followed in newspapers. The concern died down in the first decade of the 1800s, though had some revival during the Anti-Masonic movement of the 1820s and 30s.[1]
Modern conspiracy theory
Main articles: Conspiracy theory and New World Order (conspiracy theory)

Writers such as Mark Dice,[9] David Icke, Texe Marrs, Ryan Burke, Jüri Lina and Morgan Gricar have argued that the Bavarian Illuminati survived, possibly to this day. Many of these theories propose that world events are being controlled and manipulated by a secret society calling itself the Illuminati.[10][11] Conspiracy theorists have claimed that many notable people were or are

members of the Illuminati. Presidents of the United States are a common target for such claims.[12][13]

A key figure in the conspiracy theory movement, Myron Fagan, devoted his latter years to finding evidence that a variety of historical events from Waterloo, The French Revolution, President John F. Kennedy's assassination and an alleged communist plot to hasten the New World Order by infiltrating the Hollywood film industry, were all orchestrated by the Illuminati.[14][15]
Modern Illuminati

In addition to the supposed shadowy and secret organization, several modern fraternal groups claim to be the "heirs" of the Bavarian Illuminati and have openly used the name "Illuminati" in founding their own rites. Some, such as the multiple groups that call themselves by some variation on "The Illuminati Order",[16][17] use the name directly in the name of their organization, while others, such as the Ordo Templi Orientis, use the name as a grade of initiation within their organization.
Popular culture
Main article: Illuminati in popular culture
Novels

The Illuminati are often illustrated in famous novels, such as the Illuminatus! Trilogy by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson; in Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco; or Angels and Demons by Dan Brown. These authors do not rely on serious sources that provide historic information about the order, but rather on conspiracy theories which are in circulation about it. Thus the Illuminati are described as evil villains and mysterious, diabolic conspirators or they are portrayed as enlightened humans seeking to protect the world from evil. However this speculative information about the Illuminati is often mistaken as the truth. Neither Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) nor Bernini (1598-1680) was a member of the Illuminati, as depicted in Brown's novel, and his plot about a thousand-year old tradition of Celtic druids, assassins and Templars, who had the intention to find the "umbilicus telluris" (from Latin, meaning "navel of the world", is entirely fictional.[citation needed]

Why are some people just ignorant and stupid?, Most of you blabbing on here do not have half the qualification or credentials most of these so called "corrupt" and criminal leaders do. I can equally say that if an amount of you were put into these political offices, you would either ruin the country because you will make too many wrong decisions or rather steal way more than the people you are insulting.From a Functionalist perspective there must always be the rich and the poor in a society and if there isn't one in place then that society will lack social balance. Furthermore these so called criminals were not just picked up form some remote village to become law makers, they worked their way to get up there, most of you on here commenting blatant rubbish just want "free" money and feel you should not work for it. Don't get me wrong, i totally agree that there are corrupt leaders in the Nigerian Political system but they only make up a minute proportion, and so is there in every other political system in the world.

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