Prayer has it place

Work has its place.

Prayer brings favour, but in a case, where everyone has favour(certificate), works becomes the second yardstick

Prayer is meant to align us with Gods plan for us.

God has a plan for all of us on earth, our prayer is meant to make things easy for us inside (not outside) the will of God

If God sends his angels to Ohio and the person because of their insensitivity, choose to go to America, things might not work for them.

David could play music, but he was a warrior

Music brought him in contact with Saul, but the skill of the warrior, took him to the throne. One is a gift, the other was a work

Joseph could interprete dreams, but he needed to be in Egypt, so when a problem arises, he would be summoned

Esther was beautiful, and favoured to be the queen, but, it was for the purpose that, someday, a decree will be passed to kill.

Well, I think this piece is getting lengthier,

Lemme summarize this, God gave the entire earth to Adam, Adam lost it by disobedience to Satan, Satan changed all that God gave man control over.

The question of, couldn't God have stopped them from eating it is best answered in this light

Adam spent days without eating the fruit

Eve spent days without eating the fruit

Satan came, why didn't God stop Satan from coming around the garden.

God gave Adam, all He needed to overcome the devil, in the devil, the commandment was, Adam had dominion over everything, Adam was to be blamed, God gave Adam 100% control over the earth, if Adam finds an intruding being in the garden, the natural thing to do is not to go friendly, Eve got friendly and started chatting the devil up

Martinez19:
mteww. If you believe in God or not, you will still work to make it, so what special role does God and prayer play?

Prayer has it place

Work has its place.

Prayer brings favour, but in a case, where everyone has favour(certificate), works becomes the second yardstick

Prayer is meant to align us with Gods plan for us.

God has a plan for all of us on earth, our prayer is meant to make things easy for us inside (not outside) the will of God

If God sends his angels to Ohio and the person because of their insensitivity, choose to go to America, things might not work for them.

David could play music, but he was a warrior

Music brought him in contact with Saul, but the skill of the warrior, took him to the throne. One is a gift, the other was a work

Joseph could interprete dreams, but he needed to be in Egypt, so when a problem arises, he would be summoned

Esther was beautiful, and favoured to be the queen, but, it was for the purpose that, someday, a decree will be passed to kill.

Well, I think this piece is getting lengthier,

Lemme summarize this, God gave the entire earth to Adam, Adam lost it by disobedience to Satan, Satan changed all that God gave man control over.

The question of, couldn't God have stopped them from eating it is best answered in this light

Adam spent days without eating the fruit

Eve spent days without eating the fruit

Satan came, why didn't God stop Satan from coming around the garden.

God gave Adam, all He needed to overcome the devil, in the devil, the commandment was, Adam had dominion over everything, Adam was to be blamed, God gave Adam 100% control over the earth, if Adam finds an intruding being in the garden, the natural thing to do is not to go friendly, Eve got friendly and started chatting the devil up

Martinez19:
nonsense. Everybody prayed to God? Even if people prayed to a God, which one of the gods did they pray to. If the Christian God is the true one, Christians would be the only one in school given the limted opportunities. Besides if he does it batch by batch, due to the limited slots, Muslims should be at the bottom of the list which is not so.

God does not promote laziness, I forgot to add that

If God provide everything I need when I pray, (and I will close here) without me working things with my hands

Then, I don't know which kinda life we would be having here

*pull the curtain*

bye

ObaKlaz:
...And Freeze's 'message' is saving souls from hell, huh? I like that you admit you didn't read through, hence your comment.

Preach the Gospel

If you preach the gospel, peoples won't be tossed about by Freeze's whatsoever

Focus on the main, leave freeze to his own concerns.

Its better a soul is saved from hell, than bugging them with threads on tithing

I think, you guys need to pull a curtain on tithing for now

if I truly love God, I will give Him everything, but if I can't give you sth, it only shows my level of esteem toward you

I hope you understanding

My point

Get people to be intimate with God, then they will bow to your God.

Moses needed a sign from God, I think we are really sinning against God when we don't see the importance of prayer above threads or

Martinez19:
Nonsense. There is nothing too hard for God to do yet he couldn't give person admission. You might say he didn't read but as an all powerful being, I could have planted the knowledge in his head or better still prepare him ahead of time. You might say the scripts got misplaced by the handlers hence not God's fault but as an all powerful being, I could have caused the scripts to disappear and appear with other script or prevent it from missing in the first place. You might say it is corruption on the system but would you say the system is powerful than yahweh? Hmmmm seems I would do better than Yahweh if I was all powerful and Dannyfan prayed to me. Surely there is no excuse for an all powerful God.

how many people do you want to be admitted

You know the maths now

250,000 people applying for a vacancy for 2000 people, do you know how to do this maths

you also need to understand that the entire 250,000 people prayed to God to fill up the space

I think, we all want to go to university, even when polythenic are still selling form.

Everyone wanna ride a Rolls Royce I guess, but Rolls Royce produce a limit number of vehicle yearly. Some will surely be affected

I think I waited three years and am in my final year, and my service towards God is solid, amidst thought of suicide after writing my senior waec twice, I think, we need to move on with sth in life and stop pointing fingers to God

I think this tithe topic need a replacement

either sanctification or water baptism will do

thanks

#overstayItsWelcome

To confirm this, there’s another story that has inspired
me for years! In 1956, T.L. Osborn was doing a
metting before an audience of 200,000 people who
were all Muslims, in Darkotr, Java. When all of a
sudden Jesus appeared notably over the whole
crowd in a cloud.

Everyone saw His face and glory and got saved giving their lives and hearts to Jesus! Tremendous! What makes this story more awesome is that these who saw this with photography equipment, took pictures where you actually see Jesus face on the pictures when the
Lord appeared.

I saw first saw this picture when I read a book T.L. Osborn wrote called “Healing the Sick”. You see the picture where Jesus appeared openly in front of two hundred thousand Muslims. This is what America is about to see and we are starting to experience it in it’s shallow beginning.

. . .continue reading here

www.joshuamediaministries.org/facetoface/appearances/tlosborn

The essence of the thread is not to get an answer to the question

I think there have been much debate on tithing recently that salvation is no more bring preached, that was actually why I created the thread

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HRHQueenPhil:
Just as you have a surname and can represent your dad in the world and at family functions, Christians are adopted children of the Most High GOD. wen u carry that mentality with u, it seperates you from the rest. for example, conditions were given to Ms Markle if she must be married to prince harry, same it is with Christians. you dont talk like the rest of the world, dress,and act like them. even eating as well. therefore a christian should be one that is led by the SPIRIT of God. If the fruits of the spirit are not being exhibited in the life of the person, then that christian must do all it takes to become one. All christians are still going through training, and as u well know. when trained, u fail some exams , repeat the class or pass, win and continue to the next course. just like david trained touts who later became mighty men of valour, we are all still being trained.

I think I should take you as my NL spiritual mother

Guess you will raise babies in this planet

Wait. I don't understand, do you have a call?

The grace on you is mindblowing

I was struggling to type

Don't worry, you've earned my I don't know, word can't contain it.

I must confess, I have no met this level of grace on NL, eversince I have been on this site

Are you a Prophet?

Lex11:
A true Christian, one undeservingly pardoned and justified by God Himself, is always indwelt by the Holy Spirit and will increasingly exhibit the characteristics/fruit of God the Holy Spirit / Christ Jesus -


"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law." - Galatians 5:21-23

Peace and blessings!

Thanks for the contribution Sir.

I love the choice of word you used up there

Undeservingly

I could meditate on that word all year long and the revelation will be never ending

What's your favorite Bible verse sir and is there a difference between Spirit upon and spirit within

Well, I think there are better things to talk about right now
people are going to hell, your thread does not reach out to them
no point reading the (-@? anyway

You mean, you believe in God, but you also believe in free will. I.e. making free choices to be happy even when its sinful

Well, you need to study or read up on believers authority, and stop chickening about

This is a good thread I will say

The part I will come in is, we all know demons and evil spirits possess the mind of people

2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

There are thoughts, imaginations,suggestions and arguments we need to shut down immediately they come across or around

I have slept, only to wake up and realise, the atmosphere is heated by demonic presence and I start praying. Sis, we live in a very wicked world (1 John5:19), but Jesus told us that He has given us a mouth that our enemies can not resist nor gainsay (Luke 21:15), so death and life

Samostical:
I recently gave my life to Christ Jesus and became a full baptized born again speaking in tongues. I have been trying to avoid girls since this change. but today an old friend visited me and I found myself kissing her to the extend that I ejaculated. when I told her I was a born again she laughed and said that I can not resist temptation. Please, I don't want to do this girls stuffs no more but I can't stop lusting and wishing for it. help me. God must be really angry with me today.

Okay, we are always tempted, but we must or should not be overcomes by temptation

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

For every temptation, God has given us a Word to launch against it

Pray more in tongues, we talk later

You are a Christian, and what does a Christian not do. A Christian does not sin.

Its like you are no more a sinner, you are not expected to Sin

See Psalms 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Isaiah 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

Work on your word base

Everything that relate to a person who is called a Christian, what are expected of them and the likes

Let's have a chat

Let's talk

I think I have an answer, you don't know what you were saying, that's why your words carried no matter

Its commonly said, that rolling stones gather no moss

Who says, fires of Jesus or fire of Moses in Spiritual warfare, there are billions of verses that you could use in the Bible to cast down or quench fiery dart

my observation

1. You don't have a Spiritual life

2. You don't know the Bible

3. Who calls on Moses, if it was Elijah, we still fit hear, but Moses.

Lemme close, Jesus said, this kind goeth not except by fasting and prayer

bros, you met this kind, forget the fire of Moses thing, give me a verse to proof all you said, fire of Jesus and fire of Moses

Please, get serious

by the way, do you attend MFM

that's up to the authenticity of the story

helinues:
I have been thinking about this for some time now.. What Was God Doing before He Created the Universe? I would appreciate reference from Bible/Quran..

Thanks

Your answers will be answered in Heaven

By the way, are you really gonna be there

Yea, one right here, never mind, but He was thinking of me though

Proverbs 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

The "I" is Jesus Christ

that's the best I can get so far

plessis:
Why is nobody talking about salvation again?....

The thing taya me, why is no one talking about salvation again

Belema5:


I hope you know that only those against tithing lay so much emphasis on it. The ones that believe in tithing for God's sake hardly ever mention it. Those people talking about how pastors talk about tithe have never even entered most of the churches they criticise to know if the pastors actually preach only the prosperity message. From my own experience, a lot of those so-called 'endtime' churches preach the word with stronger biblical proof than the other holier-than-thou churches.

If somebody decides to give his/her hard-earned money to a church or pastor, how is it anyone's business?? In my opinion, Freeze and his supporters are just a bunch of wannabes trying so hard to be relevant. TITHING IS NOT BY FORCE!!

Yea, I could remember how God spoke to me back then that I should always tithe

I believe in some kingdom principles and I want to start reading the old testament to mine some treasures

I was meditating on that verse some hours ago, and I realised that, it won't be hard to give, if we understands that God loves us or we see Gods love been poured out on us.

Many of this things, we try to relate them, but even at our realm, they can not be uttered, because words can't best express the things of the spirit. I really feel for those criticizing the Pentecostal movement. They don't know what they are missing

My motto remains, PREACH THE GOSPEL

.

Ladyjumong:
dark age mind enlightening me

Okay, the church today is quite different from the church we had back then due to the dark ages, though the love of many is waxing cold

The dark ages was a time when there was almost zero Christianity

If you practice Christianity, they will kill you, or do things that will make you wish you were never born again or a Christian

The dark ages was over when Catholic got hold of the throne of Rome

Christians were persecuted in Jerusalem, so Christians flee to Rome but even at that, the persecution was still high, you should know every disciple of Jesus died the death of martyrdom.

Things were not really easy as it were now.

Until, someone came up who supported the Christians came on board into power in Rome, then it was about 800 years of continuous persecution. There was nothing to say about Christianity, except some in Ethiopia. But the buttomline is, it went from Catholic, to a fraudy Catholic which thought heresies because an average man does not have the Bible, Catholics enslaved many, (God forgive their souls)

Some later came to argue that, every man need a right to a Bible, the reformers were the ones that translated the Bible, from Latin to English and the languages people could understand

Along the line, Anglican broke out, then other doctrinal churches broke out.

I really feel for the body of Christ when I go through this stories

www.nairaland.com/4008923/aftermath-dark-ages-quick-look

Desyner:

if you interprete the above verse to mean tithe is less important what do you make of this part :

"and not leave the other undone" ?
Tithe is should not be left undone. You don't place something that's mandatory in a scale of preference sir.

Lemme assume you read half my post and jumped into conclusion

Am not in any way saying tithe is not important

You spoke about scale of preference

I think the verse preferences it already

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The bolded is of more weight or preference than tithe

That' my point, am not saying you shouldn't pay tithe, cause the verse didn't infer we shouldn't pay tithe, but we should give more attention to the bolded than requiring tithe from people

That reminds me of the word of our Lord, how he said, if when you go to the alter, and you remember that you have sth against another, settle it first, obedience everything first, meet the divine standard and every other thing gracias

Ladyjumong:
am with you on that.

Yea, we need to realise we inherited some mistakes which we need to believe that some generation to come or ours will address them.

The way I see the church is as though we are evolving from the lost treasures due to the dark ages

Do you know what dark age is? sis

pastorkc4life:
TEXT: "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."-2 Peter 1:4

The divine nature is the usual way God behaves that is part of his character. It is also referred to as Godkind.

In the beginning, God created man in his own image and likeness, man received the divine nature, Genesis 1:26-28. And with the divine nature, man was expected to be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves upon the earth. Man was also expected, not only to rule the whole earth, but to rule the whole world.

God formed Adam and put him in the garden of Eden; the paradise of God, Revelation 2:7. A type of the great city, the holy Jerusalem, Revelation 21:10. And God commanded Adam to eat of every tree of the garden, but not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden: for in the day that he eats from it, he shall surely die, Genesis 2:16, 17.

And as long as Adam obeyed God's command, he remained in the divine nature. But sadly, he lost the divine nature when he sinned. This is because, he ate from the tree, Genesis 3:11-24. A new nature was introduced by Adam: the human nature without God. Adam gave birth to his kind, instead of Godkind. He gave birth to Seth in his own image and likeness, instead of God's image and likeness, Genesis 5:3-5. Man continued in the human nature without God until the time of Jesus Christ.

When Jesus was born, he also had the human nature, Hebrews 2:16. But, Jesus had the human nature of Adam before, and not after, his transgression, because he was sinless. However, after Jesus' death and resurrection, he had a new nature: the divine nature of God. A nature that will never die, and will live forevermore, Revelation 1:14-18. And with this nature, Jesus is or was able to rule all the nations of the earth with a rod of iron, Revelation 12:5; 20:4-7.

Today, Jesus alone has this divine nature. While man still struggles with the depraved human nature. That is the reason the war between the Spirit and the flesh is still on, Galatians 5:16-18. And man is still experiencing death, Romans 8:12-14. But, thank God, we have the victory in Christ Jesus.

Nevertheless, the divine nature has been promised us, 2 Peter 1:4. And we shall begin to partake in this divine nature, in the year 2093, when the Church of Jesus Christ will give birth to a man child, who shall be called the grandSon of God. And when this Son of God will be forty years old, in the year 2133, he shall be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth with Sons and Daughters of God. Children that will have the divine nature of God.

Consequently, these Sons and Daughters shall be like God, Jesus Christ; they shall never die; they shall live forevermore; and they shall be sinless, because God's seed shall be in them, 1 John 3:9. And also this grandSon of God shall begin his kingdom reign in the same year 2133. Thus fulfilling the promise of the divine nature by God to man. But, until that time, we should keep living by faith in Jesus Christ, and in obedience to his commandments. Shalom!

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Pastor K. C.

Hallelujah

I heard they jailed Paul

Paul had three chances to escape, but dude love rugged life Acts 16:25-end

Anglican priest, take to the street, get people saved, she doesn't mean a thing

Acts 16:27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

16:37 But Paul said unto them, They have beaten us openly uncondemned, being Romans, and have cast us into prison; and now do they thrust us out privily? nay verily; but let them come themselves and fetch us out.

Loooooool, which power does she have

All these churches with their people directed and not God directed priority

OBAGADAFFI:
Funny bazzar where you will donate free items and they will auction it 100 times the price to buyers.

bazaar is a form of raising fund, even though am not in support of it

lonlytroy:


U get brain
Buying and selling should be ban in the church
Imagine church selling ordinary sticker

We must understand that, not all churches are at the same level sir

If we take extreme measures at times, it will affect the faith and believe of some, so let's not tear churches apart, because we have a point

Even though God wants everyone to come to the knowledge of the truth, it's still not a quick one, anything quick doesn't last, people need to see and be washed from some doctrines.

It wasn't any bodies fault in any case

woooo, bazaar though shouldn't be allowed, but we are to understand that God is not holding anyone if they do

Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.