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Yes because of love. I know some of you dont want to hear it as you have gotten use to blaming sex and label samson fall to that, but when you actually start reading your bible more than you listen to others read it for you, just maybe the Holy Spirit will teach you.

If you have never read the story of samson you may be pardoned for thinking samson is a womanizer but he wasn't and the truth is samson fell because he loved the wrong kind of woman.

Infact this truth is more impactful than some shallow excuse of he fell because of sex.

Lets please read the bible

Judg.16.4 Some time later, he fell in love with a woman in the Valley of Sorek whose name was Delilah.

What is recorded wasnt his lust for her but that he loved her infact it's because of this love that he fell.

Samson had been careful to trust any woman because of his past experiences, from judges 14 where it records he found someone he liked and not withstanding tribe or nationality he didn't go sleeping with her like some womanizer some make him out to be, he went to marry her but sadly he never slept with her because she was given to another man.

Samson must have loved her for this to annoy him

Judg.15.3 Samson said to them, "This time I have a right to get even with the Philistines; I will really harm them."

When you read samson what do you see, some womanizer that your pastors are justified to speak poorly about?

Listen
Judg.14.16 - Then Samson's wife threw herself on him, sobbing, "You hate me! You don't really love me. You've given my people a riddle, but you haven't told me the answer.I haven't even explained it to my father or mother," he replied, "so why should I explain it to you?"
Judg.14.17 - She cried the whole seven days of the feast. So on the seventh day he finally told her, because she continued to press him. She in turn explained the riddle to her people.

How many of you can withstand the pressure of a woman you love, before you jump and answer what if that woman is your mother?

Oh you think men don't get manipulated by their mothers who know their sons love them.

Samson was not only bretrayed by his wife but his best man and even people of his nation
A man so strong yet he never led an army, why is that, have you ever asked yourself?

Before we get judgemental or imbibe their judgemental spirit, please read, "oh samson sleeps with prostitutes etc etc", please read;

Judg.16.1 - One day Samson went to Gaza, where he saw a prostitute. He went in to spend the night with her.
Judg.16.2 - The people of Gaza were told, "Samson is here!" So they surrounded the place and lay in wait for him all night at the city gate. They made no move during the night, saying, "At dawn we'll kill him."
Judg.16.3 - But Samson lay there only until the middle of the night. Then he got up and took hold of the doors of the city gate, together with the two posts, and tore them loose, bar and all. He lifted them to his shoulders and carried them to the top of the hill that faces Hebron.


I cant remember the name of the man, one ex military man on tv one day explained the tactics used by samson in these verses and if that wasnt enough he reminded us of the spies who went to rahabs house, so are we also to say that the 12 of them slept with rahab?

You dont go to enemy territory to sleep much less with a prostitute, samson went there for a reason, layed low and when he knew he was discovered because he was alert not fooling around... you know what just read the verse 3.


So back to Delilah the opportunistic, fear women who love money, she was with a one of a kind man but betrayed him for money and what did she use against him, was it her body?
No
Please read
Judg.16.15 - Then she said to him, "How can you say, 'I love you,' when you won't confide in me? This is the third time you have made a fool of me and haven't told me the secret of your great strength."
Judg.16.16 - With such nagging she prodded him day after day until he was tired to death.


You know what happened after this, if you don't please read it.

Now how many of you think you are better than samson? Me i am not, I pray never to love the wrong people in my life in Jesus name

dollytino4real:
Any which way God must be praised Jesus must be praised how Spirit must be praised too

Spirit must be praised too? Where did you get that from?

Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him” (Matthew 2:1-2).


The first record of Jesus being worshipped was as KING

In Luke 2:13-14 God was praised in heaven and not for coming down on earth, but for sending his favor and peace to men.

Globad:
Don't change the subject. It is not simply about forgiveness

Of course, forgiveness is older than Christianity or Christian teachings. No?

We're talking about the absurdity in the teaching that God gave birth to Himself and killed Himself in order for forgiveness to happen.

Imagine if this was the teaching by African traditional religions?

Is my asking you questions, related to your response, me changing the subject?

Did I tell you anything about God giving birth to Himself and killed Himself in order for forgiveness to happen?

Now what exactly is your question with you starting with imagine if... 😕

God did not give birth to Himself nor kill Himself, that's an absurd idea. I already told you clearly but let me repeat it well; God sent his son Jesus Christ, who willingly gave his life believing the promise of God for resurrection and God rose him up on the third day as a sign that God's word and promise is to, to resurrect and give life to anyone and everyone who repent from their sins, forsakes their wicked ways and do what is right and good, and love others.

Now I do not know what offense you have against Christianity or other religions or what you like about other religions, but none of them matter to be fair. no matter who you claim you are or what you claim to believe, if you do not repent from your sins and do what is good and right, you will die like the rest of us and stay dead till dead are judged.

But God gives everyone if those who lived before Jesus the freedom from death if they lived their lives doing what is good and right, out of love not wickedness and selfishness and other vices that have made many believe there is no God, no judgement and no justice nor love.

If you hurt others and are too proud to apologize and make peace or if you bear a grudge and can't even tell the person who hurt you so that they can be forgiven, what do you gain from such a life. To have it all but to lose yourself in the end, it's not and never worth it.

God's word no matter the time and age remains, repent for His kingdom is close.

LordReed:
You are acting as if Grok is a self aware entity that is my point.

I am acting? do you think this is a show or some game?

I clearly stated I used a tool to analyze a text, and after all you have said, this is what you claim is your point. 🙏🏾 It's well with you

Globad:
You're still using the same verses to support the warped theology

warped? Because people make mistakes and can repent and ask for forgiveness? That's warped to you?

Globad:
Which sin are we cleansing ourselves from?


Let the person who committed the sin ask for forgiveness

So, after the blood, does it mean that humans are no longer sinning?

That theology doesn't make any sense abd Christiandom will continue to struggle with it since they created it after the Nicene conference

Imagine that kind of awkward theology coming from African traditional religion? One God being split into 3. God being born. God dying. God resurrecting. God killing himself.

Rom.3.23 For all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious standard.

1John.1.7 - 10
But if we are living in the light of God's presence, just as Christ is, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from every sin.
If we say we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and refusing to accept the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from every wrong.
If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.

Jas.5.16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

Jas.3.2 We all make many mistakes, but those who control their tongues can also control themselves in every other way.

Jas.5.19 - 20
My dear brothers and sisters, if anyone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back again, you can be sure that the one who brings that person back will save that sinner from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.


And finally Jesus said in Matt.18.15 - 17
"If another believer sins against you, go privately and point out the fault. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back. But if you are unsuccessful, take one or two others with you and go back again, so that everything you say may be confirmed by two or three witnesses. If that person still refuses to listen, take your case to the church. If the church decides you are right, but the other person won't accept it, treat that person as a pagan or a corrupt tax collector.

🙏🏾 ✌🏾

Some say Jesus is not created because he is eternal but I say to them that it is because God created Jesus and he Jesus exists eternally that we should believe in God for He is able to create us eternally too.

Look at what Paul wrote in 2Cor.5.17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

While some may believe this new you or new life is solely to overcome sin, Eph.4.24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

But I tell you this new life is ALSO for eternity, for our eternal life. For God will not destroy the righteous Gen.18

1Pet.1.23 For you have been born again. Your new life did not come from your earthly parents because the life they gave you will end in death. But this new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God.


If you believe it's impossible for God to create and make Jesus then it is likewise impossible for God to make you as Jesus is

Listen to what another apostle, John wrote, our third witness
1John.3.2 Yes, dear friends, we are already God's children, and we can't even imagine what we will be like when Christ returns. But we do know that when he comes we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is.

Paul explaining this to us wrote:
1Cor.15.47 - 50
Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven. Every human being has an earthly body just like Adam's, but our heavenly bodies will be just like Christ's. Just as we are now like Adam, the man of the earth, so we will someday be like Christ, the man from heaven. What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These perishable bodies of ours are not able to live forever.

So if God did not make Jesus and send him to us to show how that this new life God has made can overcome sin, death and be eternal then what is our faith based on


1Cor.15.14 - 15
And if Christ was not raised, then all our preaching is useless, and your trust in God is useless. And we apostles would all be lying about God, for we have said that God raised Christ from the grave, but that can't be true if there is no resurrection of the dead.


Christ wasn't a man made product, he was created and formed by God and was raised from the dead.

Brethren, Rom.8.29 For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn, with many brothers and sisters.

God bless you as you believe and obey God

LordReed:
LoLz. I clearly wrote Biblical textual analysis. Grok is not trained on that. It's an LLM so you are merely raving over its capacity to manipulate language to produce coherent statements. It is not even one of the more accurate LLMs when it comes to sourcing information something you shouldn't even be using AI for. You probably don't even realise the limitations of these AI platforms.

If you read the basis of the analysis I wasn't interested in it sourcing information but using solely it's ability to analyze Greek language, syntax and nuance.

Stop being an ITK even to you assuming what I know and don't know

LordReed:
Grok is not an AI trained on Biblical textual analysis. I dunno why you think its results are definitive.

You would have made a point if you had stated an AI that's "so called trained in such" but as you don't even realize that grok has a good language analysis system it's obvious you not making one.

SonofElElyonRet:
You want to define God and determine who he is by your own parametres?
Genesis 19:24 And Yahweh (The Lord) rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh (The Lord) out of heaven. 2 Yahwehs mentioned here.
God is one in unity and not in number. Do deep research and you'll see that God is a Trinity with the Father being the Head of the Triumvirate. They all share the same essence, nature and qualities, totally distinct from all else and all three created all else.
Job 33:4 the Spirit of God has made me
Isaiah 48:16 NKJV. “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me.”
Isaiah 63:10: "But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit. So He turned and became their enemy, and He Himself fought against them".
Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
Acts 5:3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit....
p.s. in the actual sense, it is the body of Jesus that died. Jesus said "destroy this temple (His body) and I will raise it up in 3 days". Jesus the Eternal Word did not die. They killed the body He inhabited. He sacrificed His body for our sins and raised it up again after 3 days. "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word was with God and the Word was God.... All things were made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made"

quick question in Genesis 18, YHVH appeared to Abraham and Moses noticed three men, from verse 20-22 YHVH said he was leaving and two men left but in vs 22, Abraham is still standing before YHVH

were all three YHVH
was only one of them YHVH
or were all three just representatives of YHVH

while you answer do note, no one has seen God except Jesus, (John 1:18, 6:46, 1 John 4:12.)

second quick simple question, in Isaiah 9:6 is it his NAME or his nameS?

third simple question, who did Ananais speak to in acts 5:3? Was it Peter or not?

Globad:
The same God who prevented Abraham from using his son as a sacrifice later decided to use His own "son" as a conditional sacrifice?

He sacrificed the son to Himself. He shed His own blood for Himself to accept.

Even with the sacrifice with conditions, sins still exist.

Meanwhile, Satan was spared...

Many things here are wrong and based on wrong narrative

God did not sacrifice Jesus or his son, Jesus gave his life, he gave himself same thing children of God are expected to do, offer yourself as a living sacrifice totally obedient to God even to death.

Secondly, the blood isn't meant for God but for us to cleanse ourselves from sin, the blood was shed on earth it wasn't shed not sent to heaven.

thirdly the blood doesn't remove sins nor the consequences of sins from everyone only those who come to God with a repentant heart. That's why two were crucified beside Jesus but only one received the promise of the kingdom of God

erniok:
the septuagint is the ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew bible. The translators couldn't comprehend what the prophet was saying in that verse and chose to translate what they wanted. It was too much for them to believe that God was coming in human form.

Read Daniel's prophecy about the son of man that Jesus also called himself.

🤣 "The translators couldn't comprehend what the prophet was saying in that verse and chose to translate what they wanted"

Do you agree that in the masoretic text what is written is NAME not nameS so how come the list of names or which of them is the name in your translations?

Okay Daniel's prophecy about the son of man and I read, Dan.7.13 -14, "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

plessis:
What then did christ mean in the scripture John 10:34?

if you can tell us what did Christ mean and why he said this

John.10.36 why do you call it blasphemy when the Holy One who was sent into the world by the Father says, 'I am the Son of God'?

John.17.3 And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

AngelahFlo:
JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND NOT GOD THE SON

I beg to differ on this. Jesus is both the Son of God and God the Son. This is a truth that only the Spiritually minded will grasp.

lol spiritual truth, truth is true, God never lied, Jesus never lied but men do and they lied to you about some so call spiritual truth that are actually "deep secrets of Satan"

What did God reveal to Peter, that Jesus is the Christ son of the living God and not another God or the same God or anything you wish to imply by your spiritually mind

AngelahFlo:
Don't say things you don't know much about and stop saying things against the man of God. Whatever he is, let the God who called him be the judge of that. Aiight.

who called who, where you there when he was called?
who told you he is a man that is sent by God?

Anyway, he taught and teaches what is false, so he is a false teacher.

Jesus is not God and there is only one God, the Father of Jesus who is the son of God and son or sons of God never meant God

WantsandMore:
Son of God doesn't mean someone born by God in a literal sense. "Son of God" means God in human flesh. So, when Jesus said He was the Son of God, the Jewish people around him understood exactly what He meant. They were angry because they recognized that "Son of God" signifies God becoming a human being.


This is debatable.
Mathew 24:36
Mathew 18:26
…………………….
How do you justify the above verses?

if Jesus knew the Jews really understood what he said why did he then bother explaining the truth to them? They avoid this truth


Instead those people to listen to Jesus they choose to listen to the people who wanted to kill him (Luke.11.48 So you testify that you approve of what your forefathers did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs.)

erniok:
The jews knew that God was coming in human flesh because it is in their scriptures. Study the scriptures.

Why not share said scriptureS

By the way, hope you know what the septuagint is
Isa 9:6 LXX2012UK For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.

When false teachers like chris oyakinlome tell that because Jesus is the son of God he is God and tells you to be like him, he is telling you be God as well and that's not what Jesus and the apostles taught

gohf:
ὅσοι δὲ ἔλαβον αὐτόν ἔδωκεν αὐτοῖς ἐξουσίαν τέκνα θεοῦ γενέσθαι τοῖς πιστεύουσιν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ οἳ οὐκ ἐξ αἱμάτων οὐδὲ ἐκ θελήματος σαρκὸς οὐδὲ ἐκ θελήματος ἀνδρὸς ἀλλ' ἐκ θεοῦ ἐγεννήθησαν Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας

Grok not only interpreted by stated roles

Literal Translation
"But as many as received him, he gave to them authority to become children of a deity, to those trusting in his name, who were born not from bloods, nor from the will of flesh, nor from the will of a man, but from a deity. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only one from a father, full of grace and truth."


Roles in Context

Building on the prior text’s roles

(ὁ Λόγος, τὸν Θεόν, Ἰωάνης):ὁ Λόγος (the Word):

Role: A divine-natured entity that becomes embodied and enables transformation.

Details: Grants "authority to become children of a deity" to those who "receive" him and "trust in his name," suggesting influence over human transformation or status.

Becomes "flesh" (σὰρξ ἐγένετο), taking on a physical or human form.

Dwells "among us" (ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν), indicating presence among humans.

Displays "glory" (δόξαν), likened to that of a "unique one from a father," characterized by "grace and truth."



τὸν Θεόν/θεοῦ (the deity/a deity):

Role: The divine source or origin, associated with ὁ Λόγος and human transformation.

Details:Previously described as distinct from ὁ Λόγος (πρὸς τὸν Θεόν) and the source of John’s mission (παρὰ Θεοῦ).
Here, the source from which "children" are born (ἐκ θεοῦ ἐγεννήθησαν), indicating a divine origin for those who receive ὁ Λόγος.

New Group: Those Who Received the Word:

Role: Humans who accept ὁ Λόγος and gain a new status.

Details:Those who "receive" (ἔλαβον) and "trust in his name" (πιστεύουσιν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ) are given "authority to become children of a deity" (τέκνα θεοῦ).

Their "birth" is not from physical means ("bloods," "will of flesh," "will of a man"wink but from a deity (ἐκ θεοῦ), suggesting a transformative process.

Will those who receive a different form or type of logos described in this text also be transformed? A simple yes or no if possible

No

ὅσοι δὲ ἔλαβον αὐτόν ἔδωκεν αὐτοῖς ἐξουσίαν τέκνα θεοῦ γενέσθαι τοῖς πιστεύουσιν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ οἳ οὐκ ἐξ αἱμάτων οὐδὲ ἐκ θελήματος σαρκὸς οὐδὲ ἐκ θελήματος ἀνδρὸς ἀλλ' ἐκ θεοῦ ἐγεννήθησαν Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας

Grok not only interpreted by stated roles

Literal Translation
"But as many as received him, he gave to them authority to become children of a deity, to those trusting in his name, who were born not from bloods, nor from the will of flesh, nor from the will of a man, but from a deity. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only one from a father, full of grace and truth."


Roles in Context

Building on the prior text’s roles

(ὁ Λόγος, τὸν Θεόν, Ἰωάνης):ὁ Λόγος (the Word):

Role: A divine-natured entity that becomes embodied and enables transformation.

Details: Grants "authority to become children of a deity" to those who "receive" him and "trust in his name," suggesting influence over human transformation or status.

Becomes "flesh" (σὰρξ ἐγένετο), taking on a physical or human form.

Dwells "among us" (ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν), indicating presence among humans.

Displays "glory" (δόξαν), likened to that of a "unique one from a father," characterized by "grace and truth."



τὸν Θεόν/θεοῦ (the deity/a deity):

Role: The divine source or origin, associated with ὁ Λόγος and human transformation.

Details:Previously described as distinct from ὁ Λόγος (πρὸς τὸν Θεόν) and the source of John’s mission (παρὰ Θεοῦ).
Here, the source from which "children" are born (ἐκ θεοῦ ἐγεννήθησαν), indicating a divine origin for those who receive ὁ Λόγος.

New Group: Those Who Received the Word:

Role: Humans who accept ὁ Λόγος and gain a new status.

Details:Those who "receive" (ἔλαβον) and "trust in his name" (πιστεύουσιν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ) are given "authority to become children of a deity" (τέκνα θεοῦ).

Their "birth" is not from physical means ("bloods," "will of flesh," "will of a man"wink but from a deity (ἐκ θεοῦ), suggesting a transformative process.

Okay so please from that text can we say that the logos is God or a god or the same with the God?

Addressing the Question: Is ὁ Λόγος "God," "a god," or "the same as the God"?

Let’s evaluate each possibility based on the Greek text:

Is ὁ Λόγος "God" (as a proper noun or specific deity, i.e., τὸν Θεόν)?The phrase ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν ("the Word was with the deity" implies distinction between ὁ Λόγος and τὸν Θεόν. The preposition πρὸς suggests a relational proximity (e.g., being "with" or "alongside" rather than identity. If the author intended to say ὁ Λόγος is τὸν Θεόν (the specific deity), a direct equation like ὁ Λόγος ἦν ὁ Θεός or a different construction would be expected.

The clause Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος does not use the definite article with Θεὸς, suggesting a qualitative description ("divine" rather than identifying ὁ Λόγος as the specific deity (τὸν Θεόν). Thus, ὁ Λόγος is not presented as identical to "God" (i.e., τὸν Θεόν, the deity referenced).

Is ὁ Λόγος "a god"?

Translating Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος as "the Word was a god" is grammatically possible, as Θεὸς can mean "a god" or "deity" in Greek, especially in polytheistic or philosophical contexts where multiple divine beings are considered.

HOWEVER, the anarthrous Θεὸς in this construction typically emphasizes quality over individuality. Saying "a god" implies a separate divine entity, which could align with the distinction suggested by πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, but it risks implying a lesser or independent deity, which the text does not explicitly support.

The context of the passage, with ὁ Λόγος being "with the deity" (τὸν Θεόν) and described as Θεὸς (divine), suggests ὁ Λόγος shares divine qualities rather than being a distinct "god" in the sense of a separate divine being. The philosophical use of Λόγος (e.g., in Stoicism or Platonism) often portrays it as a principle or force, not a standalone deity.

Conclusion

Based on the Greek text’s syntax and vocabulary:

Not "God" (as τὸν Θεόν): ὁ Λόγος is not presented as identical to τὸν Θεόν (the specific deity). The use of πρὸς τὸν Θεόν and the qualitative Θεὸς indicate distinction, with ὁ Λόγος being "with" the deity and sharing divine qualities, not being the deity itself.


Not clearly "a god": While Θεὸς could be translated as "a god," the anarthrous construction and context suggest a qualitative sense ("divine" rather than portraying ὁ Λόγος as a separate divine entity. The philosophical tone leans toward Λόγος as a principle with divine attributes, not a distinct "god."

Not "the same as the God": The text explicitly distinguishes ὁ Λόγος from τὸν Θεόν through πρὸς and the structure, ruling out identity.

The author portrays ὁ Λόγος as a distinct entity, existing in the beginning, in close relation to τὸν Θεόν (the deity), and possessing divine qualities (Θεὸς, "divine".

The best translation, as previously provided, is: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the deity, the Word was divine. This was in the beginning with the deity." This reflects ὁ Λόγος as divine in nature but not identical to τὸν Θεόν.

JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND NOT GOD THE SON

Steep:
Notice how she dodges questions by bringing up irrelevance.
Since Jesus is the one Lord does that mean the father is not Lord. So according to your own words, the christian woman has two Lords, which are christ and her husband?

even you, steep especially you, won't understand a simple YES but that's the answer YES

Janosky:
I'm stating the dictionary meaning of the word "transcendental."
From your observation, I now understand that her own meaning of that expression is entirely different from the dictionary explanation.

Thank you Sir.

dictionary meaning is to surpass to superceded to rise above or climb beyond limits, is that not the same dictionary meaning everywhere

Janosky:
"By means of" OR "THROUGH," convey the same meaning.

which one is "by means of" did I write that in that post?

Chibuezem:
That’s a really good and thoughtful question 👌

The statement you made — “God in 3 persons means God is in those 3 persons…” — is actually a common way people try to understand the Trinity, but it’s a bit different from what Christian theology teaches. Let me unpack it clearly:

1. God is not something that “indwells” 3 persons

It’s not that “God” is like a spirit that lives inside the Father, Son, and Spirit. That would make “God” a fourth thing beyond the three — which is not the teaching.

2. Each person is fully God

The Father is God.

The Son is God.

The Holy Spirit is God.
They don’t merely have God in them — they each are God by nature, sharing the one divine essence.

when you share one divine essence to 3 persons it becomes 3 divine essences. God blessed us with intelligence and wisdom for us to be reasoning this absurdly. You said them having God means God is a fourth being but here you are calling God and essence they share

3. But they are not three separate Gods

This is where the mystery comes in. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father. Yet, they are one God, not three gods.

Oga even confusion sounds mysterious

4. How theologians phrase it

One essence (or nature), three persons.

Not “three beings with God inside them,” but “one Being, shared fully and equally by three distinct persons.”

SHARED, so these three persons divided God up or God divided Himself into 3 persons. Oga they are either 3 God's or each 1/3rd a God so which is it? Did God multiply himself or did He divide Himself

So the difference is subtle but important:

Your statement leans toward tritheism (3 beings indwelt by God).

The doctrine of the Trinity is one God in three persons.

subtlety is what Satan is good at, even a triangle is described as one shape with three lines and everyone knows that each line is not a shape until the author of confusion gets in

💡 A simpler way:

Think of “God” not as a fourth person inside them, but as the divine essence that each of the three persons fully possesses.

I can explain further 😘

lol and your simpler way self contradicts your original point that God ain't a fourth person or fourth existence yet here you are saying what I have stated, they 3 fully possess God,... yet you wanted to deny that 🤣🤣😂🤣😂

Janosky:
God is transcendental (meaning "relating to spiritual realm" ) factually correct.

Genesis 1;1, " in the beginning God created the heaven (spiritual realm first) & the earth (physical realm thereafter)". Job 38:1-7 confirmed that.

However, she doesn't seem to realize that Hebrew 1:6A & Romans 8:3 conflicted with her claims.

" God brings Jesus his first born (in the spiritual realm) into the world of men (in the physical realm ) in the likeness of men.

Julia25 doesn't realize that the concept of firstborn began in the spiritual realm.

it isn't factually correct. God isn't transcendental, God is God, he didn't transcend anything or anyone, or from anywhere to become God.

She said God transcended I asked her from where did God transcend and she couldn't answer

Chibuezem:
Yes God is one in three persons 😍


If you like sing your opinion from January to December, use Ai and go to the Tibetan monks for spiritual guidance you cannot falsify the truth which is..... God in three persons 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙏🎉❤️

one in 3 persons means 1 out of every 3 persons

God in 3 persons means God is in those 3 persons, so God isn't a person but indwells in three persons who I believe you mean Father son and Spirit these three persons have God in them? Right?

Chibuezem:
1 John 5:7 KJV - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

thank God that's not all that John wrote even though it's some people's favorite quote

They are ALL ONE IN TESTIMONY, ALL THREE ARE WITNESSES not gods

Ken4Christ:
Don't mind him. Jesus is God in the flesh. The Father is God in the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father and he also called the Spirit of Christ.

Jesus being God in the flesh, I take it you mean he was God in a flesh or are you saying his whole being was God

Or are you saying Jesus was the Holy one who had the Father in him, who had God in him.

You say he Father is God in the Spirit whereas Jesus said God is spirit or are you saying God is God while in the spirit and Jesus is God while in the flesh.

Now is that Spirit that the Father is God in, not the Holy Spirit or a different spirit?