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opes:
He should go to Saudi then and make the money instead of staying back in Turkey.
Chelsea will surely buy a striker between June 1st and 10th for the Club World Cup, so we will know soon whether they will go for Osimhen or not.

Thank you, at the end osihmen is a Nigerian that must begin to think ahead of his life after football instead of taking risks with clubs who want to under pay him.

Philosopher1979:
He should lower his wage demands and go to a top 5 league. Records matter. 5 to 7 years from now the record will be he scored 300 goals in Turkey and that will not be rated. Let him dominate the premiership for 7 years and after that he can go to saudi arabia. This is the time for him to shine. He should ot let the fact that he will be underpaid get on his way. The time is now.

If you’re osihmen will you allow yourself to be underpaid? You guys are just hyping these European clubs, make osihmen go break leg for salary that those who aren’t better than him are earning far more, na wa o

Phayie:
Why is nobody talking about the new UK-EU deal

Great deal especially for the young people, now all those talks of because of migrants we can’t get apprentice opportunities can now reduce as the entire Europe is now on their laps.

jedisco:
Again, you are cherrypicking and coming to undue conclusions. You are taking a relative rise in recent migrants to the UK and using that to drive a narrative. That's not how to handle data.

First, looking at modern migration, it has always tilted towards certain groups at different points in time. It's not down to some genetic quality hiding somewhere. What you're doing is taking a small subset from a short period and using it to make vast extrapolations. What happened to the period between 2012 and 2020? How many Nigerian students saw any future in the UK? Compare that to the number of PRs canada handed out despite the fact we have little historical affiliation to them. Getting into Canada would have been easier for me 6 years ago. Geeting a Canadian PR was also several levels easier than the UK ILR - migration is manytimes individualised.


Secondly you're making the error of correlating the relative increase in number of arrivals over the last few years to some undue benevolence. That's false equivalence. The reason you saw more people arrive was down to need and the political error around Brexit. That is why the populace and the political class increasingly see those arrivals as a generational error in need of fixing. Who is to say that if the time to ILR is made 10yrs today for them, some other government would not double it to 20? And you'd still come preach benevolence- afterall, they wouldn't have got in elsewhere.

Two issues here is that first, the Canadian system has over decades let in more people and secondly, the relatively rise in the number of immigrants into the UK recently is not due to British benevolence.

That’s always the problem with us, using a subset to always define the entire lot, a subset may abuse the system then it becomes the entire Nigerians abusing it or getting lucky but the subset that gets successful admissions to Harvard or Cambridge can never define us, mumu people!

Atiku is just looking for who will fund his campaign after Delta state don cast 😂

Zahra29:
I highly doubt that up to 10 5 people converted that interest into action 😂

Lol I just remembered a Nigerian guy (based in the UK) who joined the British Army back when that settlement route was still open. I should find out he's doing.

I think its still open but aged based around 32 or so. It's time bound I think at a particular time of the year or biennial i can't remember. But you need to pass a physical test and I think it's open more to commonwealth citizens not living in the uk. That's where folks in the uk don't qualify if not hmmmmmm lol.

TheSuperNerd:
Meanwhile... Moses Simon hit 200 Ligue 1 games in Nantes Colors and was honored for it.

I will celebrate him when we win the next Afcon but this is noted. 😂 thanks for the notification, I pass!

jedisco:
Hehe..
No let am vex u. There is freedom of thought and speech afterall.

I think for some, all these things come in phases especially for recent entrants.

After saving and praying for japa and hearing all the warnings on how to 'behave'. When many land, their main focus is not to upset anyone but rather please the 'natives' (as someone put it). That's why recent entrants can be quite timid and is not helped by certain aspects of our culture and tribalism back home.

After a few years, they get to understand the system and see those who feed off their taxes chancing them- na then many dey begin get mouth.

Sometimes, you hear harrowing stories based off this. A teacher recently told me of a case years back where the son of a recent migrant was bullied by a fellow student in school. The offending pupil has touched his privates and called him names. The boy reflexly slapped the other and it got to the principal and a meeting was called. Rather than the parents to speak up for their son, they cowered, came home and started scolding their son telling him not to put them into wahala for this abroad wey dem don manage come.

The child returned to school but was a shell of himself. Continued to be bullied and subsequently dropped out and became a delinquent and later started questioning his gender. I'm sure the parents would looks back and wish they were less cowardly earlier on.

Let’s not mix things up, those am referring to are never recent migrants, they are the so called egbons with scarcity mindset who feels the recent migrants are choking them up and must be expelled so they (recent migrants) can go sit their butts back in naija. That’s why they hate it when they see japa 2.0 and condemn it saying it’s not greener anywhere. I can tell you that most recent migrants who were initially carried away with the rhetorics from kemi and co are now seeing things differently especially those who are yet to get ilr cos hand don touch them now and everyone is now getting aware of their rights. The most religious ones have even taken their case to baba God cos e no funny again. I have a colleague who is a great admirer of Trump who recently told me e no know say the baba wicked like that 😂 I said tooo abi na FAFO!

Zahra29:
The only way this would happen is if the UK government announced that we were now at war with Russia and all fit Commonwealth and British men of fighting age were required to sign up to the Army.

Even if they didn't have to enlist, there would still be a mass exodus, people claiming that this is not their home country 🤣

😂 You will be shocked the amount of folks that will still stay, recently Russia created a pathway for foreigners to come enlist in the army for citizenship, You need to see the interests from Nigerians. Let the UK try it first 😂

jedisco:
It's mind-boggling. I remember being told here how me and fellow 'migrants' like chasing 'utopia' when I mentioned I was considering relocating years back. I wonder how many of the millions of Brits in Can, Aus or U.S have been accused of chasing utopia.
Their thinking is that if we were not let in, we'd be living on trees in 9ja- afterall no other nation would let us in and Britain is soft-touch. Their expectation is that we remain forever subservient, take anything thrown at us and not complain. Whats worse is that this is also chorused by some migrants
Like I always say, the west sees travelling as a right but for most of Africa we're made to see it as a privilege.

Their desire is to see migrants being chased out of every western country, that’s why they like Trump so he can chase out their fellow Nigerians out of the US. Very despicable lots! And if you observe you’ll see folks who are not regular contributors here come out immediately they read or see people are being advised to try elsewhere. phew!

komekn:
What would you expect of any top quality striker playing in the retirement league of Europe.

I've noticed how the attention has moved to Turkish league as a top league in Europe.

I think he needs to move to a top three league and play at much higher level he is too good for that retirement league.

Top quality ke! Abi my eye dey pain me, aaah they don hack this account o! 😂 chisos

justwise:
You really have time to listen to such nonsense. It takes far too long to get Canadian visa, many will be waiting for decision on their visa applications for 6months up while the UK makes that decision within 3months or less. A good number of Nigerians move from the UK to Canada because decision making on visa application is faster.

I don't see a lot of Nigerians packing their stuff and leave for Nigeria because of this policy, many will definitely stay back.

The policy will surely not fly in the way it has been presented as the human rights issues that will arise will be too much for the government to handle, there will be surely be concessions along the way.

jedisco:
Hehe... I think I get where you're anchoring your point from but my issue with most of these discussions has been the mentality. If a man thinks he can't do well because he's somewhat inferior, then the issue is not with his capability but his psyche. I'm not in the habit of comparison but I find the first paragraph depressing -reason why I keep saying travelling is education. You'd benefit from exploring more nations. But let me ask, why do you think the comparison is unbalanced?

You make a point about staying back for the passport which holds some water. No need beating around the bush. I'd give you personal examples.

1. One of my friends in the UK was a vet. Was sponsored for work here. He got a research role in Quebec (a French speaking part of Canada) and he doesn’t speak French by the way. He left after 18 months in the UK. Last time we spoke- no complaints.

2. A few years back when I completed my training in the UK, it took me at least 3 weeks of consulting and deliberating to decide on staying back for the extra 2yrs it'd take to get the passport. Main reason was that I now had family here and was developing a sentimental attachment. The funny thing is that most people I asked in Canada told me to forget about the passport and come over, those on this side said wait for it. I know at least 3 colleagues who did not think staying back for the passport was worth it and some left on a visa and visited soon after to sell their houses. Afterall, you only need one strong passport they said. None has regretted that decision. I can absolutely guarantee that if it was a 10yr wait, I would have left without a second thought.

3. Most nigerian care workers are degree holders. I have even met a lecturer who works as a carer. Are you telling me that if they are offered professional or better paying role in other countries they should all let the opportunity pass because they are waiting for a passport?

The bottomline is that these are highly individualised and people are able to make calculated decisions. Being abroad helps widen peoples scope and avails folks wider opportunities.

They are not qualified as far as they are concerned. May God heal our people of bad belle. It has become a pandemic.

justwise:
I'm just wondering why some of you are wasting your time engaging in such pointless argument.

Is it not when people here are encouraged to consider other options that some folks here will come up and remind everyone that Nigerians are not qualified? The uk doesn't want people to stay but it becomes headache to some folks here for them to try other options but are happy to see uk drive folks away. Which kind of devilish attitude is this?

justwise:
Totally agree with almost everything you said here except the abuse part, Nigerians and Indians most especially abused the system in a massive scale through student visa and COS and the government allows this to go on for years, unfortunately genuine Nigerians are affected.

It became normal for people to buy bank statements from agents so as to get a visa, people coming in with fake marriage certificates etc

Some Nigerians turned the abuse to full time business, they are in TikTok, facebook instagram unashamedly advertising it.

The abuse was not the original bone of contention here but the notion that Nigerians were never qualified for certain categories of visas was the bone of contention. It was as if the abuse was the major reason Nigerians could get uk visas easily compared to other countries and that’s never true.

OgbeniOptional:
You look down on your fellow citizens simply because you are probably in a better place regarding your career or life goals, and this attitude is unfortunately common among Nigerians. Before Canada imposed new restrictions on community colleges, individuals with third-class degrees were still able to find opportunities there. Having a third-class degree doesn’t necessarily mean you lack knowledge in your field of study, it is possible to supplement your qualifications with relevant work experience.

I can assure you that many Nigerians can successfully take and pass the IELTS, TOEFL, or CELPIP exams. It’s already challenging enough to face judgment as Nigerians from outsiders; belittling ourselves only makes the situation worse. Are you aware that many on care visas or PSWs have left the UK for the US, Canada, or Australia? Do you know how many are considering leaving?

Regarding Australia, its distant location and expensive tuition fees might deter many people from Africa from considering it a viable option.

When it comes to the USA, obtaining a visa often feels like a game of chance. I’ve seen individuals receive a US visa and wondered how they managed to do so.

I’m not suggesting that there haven’t been instances of abuse in the system, but I am certain that this issue isn’t limited to Nigerians; they are simply more vocal about it. The UK is not “far easier” to navigate; it is just more straightforward. You can do everything right with other countries and still be denied a visa, which is not the case for the UK.

Once there's a surge of Nigerians anywhere some people will just conclude that the system has been abused forgetting we are a people with one of the highest number of degree holders in the world. That's how they also conclude we don't read too. Lots of Nigerians are in the uk through the global talent route (tech, academic research and fashion) am sure very soon they will say that has been abused too. Am sure the global talent route guys won't have qualified for Canada too in their own eyes. Utter rubbish

Treadway:
but it's true.

The UK was super porous and super easy to enter, just about anyone who could arrange POF did...anyone. They didn't even need to actually have the money...third class sef enter🤣

The ratio of people that came in with a skilled work visa vs those who came with a student visa would be like ratio 1:100

Canada on the other hand only just introduced the tech, healthcare and other draws in 2023/2024, including the recent caregiver pilot which both Nigerians and UK based Nigerians who have those specific experiences/qualifications are now using and benefiting from. Prior to those updates/specific draws, they wouldn't have stood half a chance....cos they would have to be young, with masters and have high ielts and tef/tcf scores...How many of the folks who flooded the UK even wrote ordinary IELTS? Lol

Make we no dey fear to talk the simple truth jare. Dem no see Canada, US or Aussie before dem choose the 'far easier' UK

Are you aware that lot of folks who came into the uk then were also in the Canadian pool waiting for their ITA which was delayed due to Covid? Why are we lumping everyone together as if many were not initially qualified, do you have the data? Provide if you have and not base on assumptions. One thing I have observed is when there is a surge of immigrants, we begin to dismiss the entry criteria. Do you know the amount of Nigerians that have immigrated legally into the US in the last three years? Will you say the US too became porous with eb2, and 01 visas? Check the stats Nigerians were in the top 5-10. The increasing number of Nigerians attaining citizenship in Canada in the last five years decimates all these narratives of easier entry or porous borders nonsense

dannytoe:
You haven spoken well.
But as Nigerian you really can't be comparing yourself with a brit working as an expatriate in those countries earning more than he/she would ordinary make in Britain.
The comparison is unbalanced.
Reason being the brit is born with a first world passport that alone has many Benefits beyond the reach of an average Nigerian with a green passport .

But when you get your passport, of course you can travel relocate to anywhere you desire and become the Brit that working far from home earning higher.

😂 What are you saying? A Nigerian with his green passport working in the Uk on a skilled worker visa with his Uk experience now get a job offer in the US or Australia which qualifies him for an h1b or work visa, you think will earn less than a Brit doing same job in those countries? haba, again where is this coming from?

Jamesclooney:
Are you not watching the news in the US with Trump? 😂

Are you also aware the courts are hindering or restricting Trump?

donstevee:
You are not really correct as per the Canada part. On the express entry part,they will be highly uncompetitive .CRS scores are trending in the 540's . No way that someone from the UK without Canadian education,connection etc will score that high. Those getting PR's from the UK are only exploiting category based draws that Canada is currently running for those with valid experience in health care that is in huge demand. Remove that, your assertion that they would be competitive flies in the face as even the last draw was for 510. Those that get this type of scores usually have Canadian education(Masters most times),with valid Canadian work experience of at least 1 year, with a Canadian citizen /PR as sibling and some foreign work experience from back home.

Are people moving to Canada or not?

dannytoe:
True, but it all does it worth the struggle? especially in a toxic place like the US with gun violence and expensive healthcare.
How many immigrants in the UK now are ready to spend another 15-20yrs fighting for citizenship in the US? I doubt many? Certainly not these ones that are already complaining about ILR being shited to 10yrs.
I myself, if I'm in same situation wouldn't go that path.
Besides many of the immigrants in the UK that want to leave UK cant qualify for EB-1 even the less stringent EB-2? I Doubt even up to 3% do.
Even the UK has something similar Global talent visa which still leads to ILR in 5yrs.
But of cause many ain't applying for it because like i said earlier they don't meet the requirements.
It's the same reason why doctors, nurses and IT professionals were exempt from the new ILR rule, because the UK know they are well sought after in many other countries. So instead they go after the low hanging fruit, careworkers.
One of the requirements in EB-2 is to show evidence that your job or professional carrier qualify for national interest waiver? Many working in care don't meet this one criteria alone. In fact many don't meet majority of the criteria as careworker isn't considered a professional job.

You're asking if it worth the struggle so folks should sit down in the uk and become overstayers or go back to naija ba? Many of the carers in the uk have so much professional experience back home that can leveraged on to get into the US legally. I wonder where this idea that so many Nigerians are never qualified always come from. I remember a funny argument a while back on this forum where someone alluded that so many Nigerians who came into the uk will never qualify for the Canada express entry system but am sure that has been busted now with so many who have since crossed into Canada from the uk

You say the US is toxic, is the uk not toxic enough with all these disrespect for migrants or you think it's all about guns? phew.

Jamesclooney:
Which viable first world nation is pro-immigration at the moment? Happy for all those who’ve achieved settled status/citizenship…but not everyone is in the same boat.

The major difference between the uk and others is the disrespect for those already in the uk legally and working themselves out to integrate into the society. The same status you have in the uk if you're in other western nations you won't be bothered much as new policies are mostly targeted towards those who are still outside or about to make an entry.

Lexusgs430:
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You would be going alone...... 😁😂😊

😂 Gbam, the words of our elders are wise sayings!

Cyberknight:
Lol, you can say that again.

I grew up in Nigeria, it was a good place to live back then, but unfortunately its a good place to leave now. The UK may be rearranging its immigration system now, but I plan to stay and do all possible to fit my children in legally. Returning to live in Nigeria permanently is not my plan B, C, D or J.

Currently holidaying in Nigeria, those who are gaslighting our people to return home just want them to return to poverty. If you’ve built a life with your family in any western country, upskill and maintained the highest standard possible in your career or business you’ll always be in demand no matter the immigration changes. Your plan B or Z should never to return to Nigeria but instead japa 2.0 to another advanced nation. The Brits themselves migrate all over the world, Nigerians should emulate that too and not cower under manipulative narratives to remain stagnant and not advance their human potential.

dannytoe:
Lol, most other countries are already preparing or begining to reconsider the idea of tightening their immigration polices following trump and the recent UK immigration policy change.
For example Canada's newly appointed immigration minister has proposed to cut annual immigration by 33% till 2027.
The United state is a no go area for many. For example unlike the uk where a skilled worker is entitled to ILR in 5yrs or 10yrs.
In the US if you like spend 20yrs on H1b is doesn't lead to green card or Permanent resident.
Except an employer file for you, which is reserved for highly skilled professionals like nurses, doctors and IT professionals. Even with employment based EB-3 petition there's an annual cap of 140k green card and waiting time takes around 2-4yrs and 2-3yrs by marriage.
Unlike the UK were 1yr after ILR you can apply for your British passport. In the US you can only apply for an American passport after 5yrs on green card.
The only good thing about a US work visa is that your kids born in the US get automatic citizenship which UK doesn't offer.
However the new orange man in the white house is working relentlessly to stop this.

Also, just recently the Australia media is beginning to put pressure on the reelected pro-immigration labour government to imitate the UK recent immigration policy change.
They even go as far as referencing Nigel farage na that one dey shock me, imagine farage name constantly being cited in the Australia media as a true patriotic nationalist that could force stammer to do the needful before the Uk become an island of strangers .
Spontaneously the labour government there might take a script from stammer's playbook. After all being liberal doesn't stop you from throwing in some right-wing cookies if it's just to please the public. Because for politicians whether right wing or left, public sentiment is supreme if you wanna stay long on that seat.

So last last jumping from one country to another may not cut it for some people especially those who have invested alot in the UK already.
The best thing like someone has suggested before, is to consider investment in Nigeria and nurse the idea of a possible return back home in the future.

You can self petition with either eb1 or eb2 and still get your green card. Unlike the uk the h1b, L1 and O1 visas are all dual intent visas and from 3 months on those visas you can start petitioning for your green card and that’s still holds and is not changing in-spite of the orange man antics. It’s that straightforward, No uncertainty and no drama. And once you’re on h1b and have a green card approval despite the long waiting times, you remain valid in the country even if it’s for 20 years till your green card is ready, again no drama and uncertainty. The huge difficulty is in getting those dual intent visas.

Fred2020:
As per the proposed changes, I recommend people write to their MPs so their views are considered during the consultation process in parliament, and MPS can appreciate that a section of their electorate is not pleased with the way the change has been proposed and the language thereof.

I have written my MP and asked her to push for a fairer deal when the topic comes up in parliament and recommend others do the same.

My own MP is actually Aunty kemi, you see my own dilemma? 😂

justwise:
If your citizenship was not obtained through fraud and you are not a threat to national security..can you tell me how your citizenship will be taken away from you?

By whining the MPs that you’re willing to give up your citizenship status and you want to exit the UK to help reduce net migration 😂

jedisco:
We thank God for economic mobility- e dey help.

Wage in the UK is a tricky one. While the UK has one of the highest minimum wage, median wage and pay for professionals (especially) lags its counterparts. Higher earners do quite some heavy lifting in taxes but get relatively less out of the system.

There are loads of very generous interventions- from 12.5k tax free allowance, to free healthcare, nursery support, good state pensions e.t.c. that are not roundly available in most countries.

That’s where the issue is, folks don’t really enjoy the reward of their labour and the so called free healthcare and other perks don’t really compensate for the huge chunk of taxes. It’s also the reason many prefer to rely on benefits than to work themselves out for others to benefit from their huge taxes

jedisco:
Another is the talk of 'high-skill' which has never made much sense. We know most higher paying roles are well regulated and not as interchangeable. I wonder where the UK being a developed but relatively lower-paying country expects to get all that skill from.
As an example- bring 100 neurosurgeons into the UK today, most would be jobless in a year and would be of no benefit to society despite being skilled professionals. If those 100 were builders however, they would quickly get working and contributing. A society needs those skills it lacks not some mythical high-skilled folks.

It's funny how western governments like to make a mountain out of migration which should be so easy to end. Even in the UK- stop PSW, stop the NHS from recruiting abroad and stop care visas - thats 90% gone. Ultimately, right from windrush boat arrivals, migration here has never been about want, its all about need.

It's all fantasy, moreover they can't complete much in not only attracting but retaining such skills in comparison to their western peers due to wages which is what has never been addressed.

AKALAMAGBO:
To back your point….

This same role was advertised last month, the post didn’t stay a week on NHS jobs before it was pulled down… Then, it stated overseas worker who needed sponsorship were all welcomed.

Just yesterday they re-advertised the role and attached picture is what was written…

Going forward, it would be challenging to get a job that provides sponsorship like you opined.

But what I’m worried about is the continued provision of COS for the people that is currently being sponsored by NHS….

We can only hope like it’s been assumed that exceptions will be made especially for those working in the NHS. But I have learnt not to be too trusting in the Uk system as the rug can be pulled off your feet when you don’t expect. When we suggest here that people should have a plan b and look at other options some will come here to remind us that other places are not better so should people now sit in the uk and become overstayers with no fault of theirs?

erico2k2:
Even in the Uk, there is nothing as absolute rights to be British citizen. It could be withdrawn from you under certain circumstances.

Are you ready to break the law or commit crime for your rights to be withdrawn? apart from that what other circumstances.

Goodenoch:
Hm?

Isn’t the bolded a huge deal by itself?

Personally I’m much much less interested in citizenship than in the ability to switch employers without having to deal with sponsorship issues. I came to the UK not because I was suffering in NG but because a lot of the biggest employers in my profession are here, and work visa limitations are a serious hurdle in accessing some of them. Also, business is a priority for me and the UK would be a great base for many reasons.

I have been very fortunate in the roles I’ve secured and have been able to make substantial progress still (about to be sponsored by the third organisation in less than 3 years) but I’m certain that if sponsorship was not an issue I’d be earning a lot more plus be able to start and run my own business without limitations, and the benefits of that freedom will only continue to compound over time. I don’t have any issues with paying the IHS or whatever - its an irritant but not a huge deal in the large scheme of things.

But having to limit what work/business I can do [b][/b]for 5 more years? Huge issue.

I’m not too bothered because I’m confident that whatever metrics they use to measure contribution, I’d be very much on fast track side based on profession, tax or whatever, but it’s still very annoying to have that uncertainty.

Point is I’m surprised anyone thinks that the freedom to change careers/employers at will is not a serious thing to not have for 5 additional years.

Ignorance is the issue, am sure those who are thinking 10 years is not an issue are not aware of recent changes to sponsorship by employers

1. Cost of assigning a COS is now over £500 from 299 and this is now in force

2. In the white paper just released the cost of immigration skills charge paid by employers to sponsor any worker will now go up by 32% currently it’s £1000 per year so sponsoring a worker for 5 years is £5000 now that will go up by 32%

3. In the white paper too for any employer to sponsor they must show evidence of investment and training of citizens before they can be approved to sponsor and that’s where the home office will be waiting to deny employers to assign COS.

So going forward it will be more difficult for employers to sponsor and that’s where the catch of this new proposed policy is to ensure not many will make it to the finish line of 10 years and let’s be real how many employers with all the cost implications will be ready to sponsor for a whopping 10 years and how easy will it be to get new employers to switch sponsorship so those saying they are willing to work for 10 years am not sure they understand this new policy thoroughly perhaps they need to go and study that white paper before they go open their wide mouth like that Tanimu guy 😂