the final end to this argument is for messi to win the world cup, the reason no one questions the greatness of players like pele, maradona, romario, even zidane, matteus, ronaldo da lima, is because they are all world cup winners.
messi should win the world cup and the argument will end
So now that you have been defeated on the Jos vs Ibadan front, you have simply shifted goal post to something you are more comfortable with.
Ok here we go
1) It was said that Ilorin urban had 2k people as that time and the majority of ethnicities listed there were Non-Yorubas.
2) Yoruba language was used for Junior education while Hausa language for advanced education in Ilorin
3) All the traditional rulers from the Igbominas, Igbolos & Ekiti speakers were appointed and confirmed by the Emir. So, not just Ilorin but the whole of Kwara was under the direct rulership of the Emirate.
@ your first point counters your the arguments you made that other tribes had to learn Yoruba in other to survive in Ilorin emirate.
Shouldn't it have been the other way around, considering the non Yorubas were more than the Yorubas at that point
In addition, the writer of the article you referenced at no point stated that the numbers of non Yorubas in Ilorin were more han Yorubas in Ilorin.
@ your second point,
There was never a point in the article that the writer claimed that the kings of the igbomina and Ekitis were appointed by the Emir
Don't forget Ilorin emirare is not Kwara state
@ your third point counters your first point as well. Ilorin was incorporated into northern Nigeria in 1900 and education started in 1920.
In most parts of northern Nigeria, Hausa was used as a means of communication in education.
Hausa was used to teach senior officer who were the Emirs, while the Yoruba language was used for majority of the population who were peasant as at the time.
And one again please Ilorin emirate is not Kwara state
Even majority of Kogi state today were originally part of Kwara state.
that is how they roll, you defeat them in an area, they vanish and come back with diversion to something else, na their tactic
totit: Guys!!!! Why are you empowering the troll to pollute this thread with individuals and irrelevant stuffs nah
Make una let am spoil the thread with his running abeg.
exactly, he keeps posting pictures of rich igbo dudes to divert intellectual discourse, if we start posting rich yoruba dudes here, nairaland server no go break? the guy lacks self esteem and is only trying to level up
When we were arguing over Ilorin, One of u dared me to prove that Hausa language was once used as the language of senior education in Ilorin.
Look below. I attached 3 screenshots from the first colonial document used to classify & record all ethnicities and provinces of Northern Nigeria, written around 1900-1910. It is now a compiled book called NOTES ON THE TRIBES, PROVINCES and EMIRATES OF NORTHERN NIGERIA PROVINCE.
It was compiled by the Temple brothers, who were British colonialists in charge of the administration of the Northern Nigerian region.
I want you guys to read through these 3 screenshots and u will see where
1) It was said that Ilorin urban had 2k people as that time and the majority of ethnicities listed there were Non-Yorubas.
2) Yoruba language was used for Junior education while Hausa language for advanced education in Ilorin
3) All the traditional rulers from the Igbominas, Igbolos & Ekiti speakers were appointed and confirmed by the Emir. So, not just Ilorin but the whole of Kwara was under the direct rulership of the Emirate.
See, let me clear you Yorubas on one thing, cos I noticed how many of you go about saying that the Emirate in Ilorin does not change anything since even the Emir and everyone else in Ilorin speaks Yoruba as their mother tongue.
Ilorin is not a unique case! Nupe land & Hausa land are both Emirates under the Sultanates (ruled by Fulanis), and almost everyone in Nupeland & Hausaland speaks only Nupe & Hausa (including the Emirs).
It is only the NE that the fulanis managed to retain their native Fulfude language because the tribes there are smaller minority tribes who did not have the numbers of speakers to absorb the Fulani settlers.
Fulanis conquer you and do not care whether they loose their language to yours or not. The only thing they care about is retaining the rulership of your land!
Then they try to create a form of caste system where only those with fulani heritage become the elites of that society. Mind u, fulani heritage does not mean one who speaks fulani language. It means one who speaks Hausa, Nupe or Yoruba language but has full or partial fulani ancestors.
This has worked perfectly in Hausa land and to an extent Nupeland, it was working in Ilorin, but due to the exposure of Western education in Yorubaland, the aim was defeated. That of Ilorin can be seen where half or majority of the elites from Ilorin are of Fulani ancestry and these can be clearly seen from their family names e.g SARAKI, BELGORE, GAMBARI, BARAJE, BELLO e.t.c
So, you guys should stop claiming that the Emirate in Ilorin is weak because nobody speaks fulani language, that is ignorance!
Nobody in Bida, Lapai, Agaie, Patigi or any of the Nupe towns speak Fulfude. Nupes do not even understand Hausa language as a 2nd language unlike Gbagyis, Southern Kaduna, Plateau people. Any Nupe you see speaking Hausa learnt it by living in Minna, Jos, Zaria, Kaduna, Kano, Bauchi e.t.c
So, even Hausa settlers in Bida have to learn Nupe language in order to survive same way they learn Yoruba in Ilorin. However, this does not change the fact that majority of the royal families and elites among the Nupes are of FULANI ANCESTRY, and they know themselves, inspire of their mother tongue being Nupe!
Today, more than 10 million fulani who live in the NW claim to be ethnic fulani but they cannot alter a word of Fulfude. Their language & Culture is HAUSA! e.g the Buharis, the Lamidos, Shagaris, Yar'aduas et all. None of them can speak a word of Fulfude or know anything about fulani Culture. This is why they are called HAUSANIZED FULANIS. The same way dozens of families and thousands of people in Ilorin are YORUBANIZED FULANIS.
So, Yoruba language displaced Fulfude & Hausa language in Ilorin not up to 100 years ago, but it did not make all the Hausa fulanis there disappear. These Hausa fulanis and their descendants who now speak only Yoruba in Ilorin are the majority of the muslim extremists you have today in Ilorin.
Fulanis conquer a people and try to integrate with them in order to avoid being revolted against in the future. They adopt the language of their hosts and intermarry from their hosts. That is why almost all the fulani royal families in Nigeria have Hausa, Yoruba, Nupe, Bariba, Chamba, Jukun, e.t.c wives depending on the area they settled.
Thank u for your time
you are not making any sense, learn to let go and stop vanishing into thin air only to come back to contradict yourself. Fulanis are very proud people and will not forgo their language, heritage and identity just like that. There are so many strong adherents of islam across SW cities, so does that make them all extremists? stop being a comedian here, Ilorin is not part of Fulani land. You can take a trip to Ilorin with all these info of yours and see if you will not lynched, rubbish. That your land is conquered does not mean everyone else is. is there any war in Ilorin like your place to show that some people are struggling with their hosts for domination? abeg go siddon
Galactico4ever: Where In God's name are the Mods? A thread created for comparing products from s/west and the north has been overrun by yoruba and igbo extremists! just look at insults flying around like birds!!
we are now extremists for disproving lies and disparages against our heritage thanks for the compliments, we like am like that
NigerianSage: The dud is the master of diversion, sadly they let him divert with dumb rubbish.
The key rule when it comes to dealing with these refugee migrants is never to let them divert and distract from the main issue.
Exactly, he came with JAMB figures, he was busted then he came with courses being studied, when he was about to be busted, he claimed some igbos use lagos as state of origin, now he has come with another round of figures again and keep fooling around.
One thing I have discovered is that they lack confidence in what they post as stats cos they are always in a haste to do so before thinking
NigerianSage: All your irrelevant and bait and switch nonsense doesn't change the fact that Ogun state generates more IGR and has more industries than all your poor SE refugee states combined.
Stop wasting your useless time on dumb errands, if you can not prove to me that Ogun state is not generating more money that all your poor SE states, just keep quieting and stop stalking me.
You've been confused and fooling yourself since 1960
he has been jumping from IGR to nestoil to jamb to Medicine and arts, God knows what next
Anambralstson: Imo, Anambra and Delta state leads in numbers of students studying Engineering, Management, Medicine and Law in Nigeria, , these three states has dominated for more a decade.
Always trying to divert haba so no be for JAMB again
as usual, you guys make noise and celebrate giant strides of your people which is good, I like it but if we begin to post all the videos of our people here, we will not see you guys again on the thread for the next many hours again , that is the trend we keep seeing here of you guys
For the last time, we are comparing Ibadan & Jos and not the entire Oyo state.
Emmanuel Alayende College & Fed school of Surveying are both in Oyo town and not Ibadan.
You are now bringing ridicule to this list by listing Departments & Faculties of UI as separate institutions. Institute of African studies and Department of Forestry are part and parcel of UI. They are not independent degree awarding institutions of their own!
Now here is Jos list updated
1. University of Jos 2. Bingham university 3. Karl Kumm university 4. Plateau state polythecnic 5. Federal college of Forestry 6. Federal college of Veterinary and Medical laboratory Technology, Vom 7. Nigerian college of Accountancy Jos 8. Federal college of Animal health and Production technology Vom 9. NTA Television college Jos 10. Plateau state college of health Technology, Zawan 11. ECWA college of Education, Jos 12. Plateau state college of Nursing & midwifery, Jos 13. Ecwa International college of Technology 14. College of Arabic & Islamic studies Rikkos 15. National film Institute Jos 16. Theological college of Northern Nigeria Bukuru 17. Nigerian Institute of mining and geosciences Jos 18. Federal college of land rescources technology Vom 19. Zibeh Institute of Technology, Jos 20. United school of science & Technology, Bida Bidi 21. Global college of Education, Jos
Can you guys see the reason why some people call Ibadan a big for nothing city Ibadan is twice the size of Jos and was once a regional capital, but see Jos giving it a run for it's money.
When we tell you people that the only part of Nigeria you can call illiterates are the Hausa fulani & Kanuri core-northerners, you people will start yarning dust.
Southern Nigerians are not more literate than Middlebelt/Northern christians! That was the case 30 years ago, but we have rapidly caught up with you guys. The only edge you people still have on us is the large diaspora, traveling abroad and larger middle-class (supported by Fraudulence )!
Legendhero & Tobrasky, you have been posting lists of American varsities with Yoruba & Igbo students. Yes I know my people have not started choosing the West as educational destinations in good numbers, but we are gradually getting there. However, if you go to places like Cyprus, Greece & Turkey, we are very very well represented. Even Hausa fulanis are well represented there.
I had an Igbo friend who schooled in Cyprus and he confirmed to me that Middlebelters & Core-northerns clearly outnumber Southerners in his school and the whole of Cyprus at large.
Go to Malaysia & Egypt, Hausa fulanis form 90% of the Nigerian Students there.
Here is a proof below of what I am saying about Cyprus. I just picked a random Cyprus varsity and I logged into their alumni search. And for every northern Christian name I put in, there were people who had that name and finished from that school.
And besides, you people were concluding that there was no northern Christians on those American alumni lists, and the question I have for you people is. IF YOU SEE MOST NORTHERN CHRISTIAN NAMES, CAN YOU IDENTIFY THEM?
Within Nigeria and most possibly Africa, Northern Christians have the most diverse names!
We have 200 ethnic groups and everyone of them have their own unique tribal names. In addition to these tribal names, we also answer Judeo-English names, Hausa Bible names & Native Hausa fulani & Kanuri names!
If you guys or the average Southern Nigerian see names like
NGALATO SHALLANGWA GONG CHUN ESTHER ABAINE ISUWA ANGBAZO HYELADI GONI BISHARA YASHIM NGOPWA TAFIDA NERAT BIYAYA
can you be able to tell where they come from? Jokers. Or you think every Nigerian must have Chi, Ade, Ola, Nwa in their names or answer pure Islamic names like Hausa fulanis?
Cc Iamgrey5, Covidodo
we dey talk America, you de yan cyprus, na baba sala things we dey do there? as for Ibadan, you are still mischievous, there is a very updated list of all institutions in Ibadan alone that are more than what you put here but you dodge that one and picked your favorite to still bring up your shithole Jos. Who you dey fool but yourself
Guy from what we have all seen and your fellow supporters, na scam una be, even Tobrasky denied you when we de yan about american schools and you come back dey yan cyprus haba
LegendHero: Wow nice one. I live not too far from Roswell Rd where that Naija embassy Dey in ATL. Anytime you wanna come visit your friend in ATL just DM me and I’ll make sure to link up.
LegendHero: I've been trying to find the California one but not all school post their commencement list online. I tried searching so much but I wasn't able to find them. If I saw them, I would have posted it since yesterday. Maybe that is what happened with Tobrasky too who knows.
Me I don tire for the thread self. Maybe make guys move onto another topic, this one is already dusted for now!
then he should have come out and be clean about it, who will hang him? he had nothing on California but was trying to divert us by posting screenshots of repeated names from the carolina university, I was watching him closely cos I went thru that entire list thoroughly.
Big ups to you Legend Hero, going thru that list made me appreciate the enormous work you did on others.
Don't try to play a fast one on me. Initially the thread is about graduate school degrees (Strictly MS and PhD) which explained why I used those metrics alone and I even indicated it in my post.
Those of Georgia and NC are the ones of graduate schools that I picked,. I presented the link openly online for revalidation so that everyone can do due diligence.
If you check my posts well you will see I paste the link and I also spoke about thsose that are for Graduates (Phd and MSc).
See an example of the attached image. You can clearly see the Masters Degree Candidate
going by the rules metrics which Tobrasky agreed to at the start, then for NC UNCG, its Yoruba- 2, 1. Omobola Olagoke[phd]-page 12, 2. Omotara Balogun [Masters]-page 24 Igbo- 1. Queen Chibuzo-page [phd] 12. Yorubas -2, Igbo-1
The guy is trying to bend the rules and agreement that was from the beginning and calling all the igbos to support his lies. Anything from page 30 on that link is Bachelor's degree. For the records here so no one will be fed lies and concur with it.
Don't try to play a fast one on me. Initially the thread is about graduate school degrees (Strictly MS and PhD) which explained why I used those metrics alone and I even indicated it in my post.
Those of Georgia and NC are the ones of graduate schools that I picked,. I presented the link openly online for revalidation so that everyone can do due diligence.
If you check my posts well you will see I paste the link and I also spoke about thsose that are for Graduates (Phd and MSc).
See an example of the attached image. You can clearly see the Masters Degree Candidate
Oh my God, just when you think you've seen it all haba
Covidodo: Some of the names were repeated .. Like the Nwosu and Britanny for example .. Check well bruv
He claimed to have 11 igbo names but was repeating them because some names appeared twice. I cool down to see if he could list out all the names but alas na story, these folks lack confidence in themselves
XANDERBOY85: Far be it from me to want to interrupt una wankfest and dick measuring contest, but all you posted up there is utter tripe!
There's little to seperate the Igbo and Yoruba when it comes to trumpeting their achievements on forums such as this! Where the two differ is that while the Igbo are generally unapologetic, bold and unpretentious about their bragging, the Yoruba on the other hand generally pretent not to brag as much....pretend to be modest, and pretend to be humble! The Yoruba seem to be so preoccupied with getting one over on the Igbo that anytime the Igbo brag about anything....even when the Yoruba aren't mentioned, such bragging rubs you up the wrong way....you become restless and unable to sleep! It's almost like you feel Nirvana/Uhuru has been attained and all is well with the Yoruba race when you believe you've bettered the Igbo in anything! It's almost like you measure the success of your ethnicity on how you measure up with the Igbo! This -coupled with you still feeling comfortable in 'one Nigeria'- shows a lack of ambition and drive to be world beaters, and if you don't change your attitude soon and aim higher...aim to take on the world in your own right -not under the 'protection' of 'one Nigeria'- then you'd be condemned to be local players and local champions for a much longer time to come! I'd have given same advice to the Igbo too, but it's clear Ndigbo have realised the limitations 'one Nigeria' has placed on them and hence their agitations to be masters of their own destiny!
see who's talking about local champions na grammar we talk here abi na stats
Kwashiman: Oga LegendHero, I'm not here to engage in the pointless Yoruba vs Igbo debate of ethnic supremacy, as both tribes as doing very well home and abroad in their respective fields of endeavor. Basically making Nigerians proud for all the right or wrong reasons (both tribes I mean). I'm just here to set the records by doing the counting from your sources provided of all the Nigerian students by tribe. And maybe you didn't check the North Carolina summer 2018 list properly, I will suggest you actually do, cause I took down all the numbers of Yorubas, Igbos, SS names and it seems Igbos trounced you guys here. There were very few Yoruba names from the list, and most Igbos even made the honorary degrees twice. I attached my final numbers on a piece of paper (I can screenshot all the names for North Carolina if you want me to). I'll fact check the other school websites you posted and report my honest findings.
You can tell YO=== Yoruba IG== Igbo SS== South South H== Hausa (saw a Hausa like name but I wasn't sure)
Kwashiman: Oga LegendHero, I'm not here to engage in the pointless Yoruba vs Igbo debate of ethnic supremacy, as both tribes as doing very well home and abroad in their respective fields of endeavor. Basically making Nigerians proud for all the right or wrong reasons (both tribes I mean). I'm just here to set the records by doing the counting from your sources provided of all the Nigerian students by tribe. And maybe you didn't check the North Carolina summer 2018 list properly, I will suggest you actually do, cause I took down all the numbers of Yorubas, Igbos, SS names and it seems Igbos trounced you guys here. There were very few Yoruba names from the list, and most Igbos even made the honorary degrees twice. I attached my final numbers on a piece of paper (I can screenshot all the names for North Carolina if you want me to). I'll fact check the other school websites you posted and report my honest findings.
You can tell YO=== Yoruba IG== Igbo SS== South South H== Hausa (saw a Hausa like name but I wasn't sure)
follow the format as you have been told with names and page number, we do verified stats here pls
Please, you guys should quit quoting and responding to that guy. His aim is to pollute this thread and divert the essence of the topic at hand with yeye pictures. He's anambraYeyeson reincarnated.. Make leave an jare
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thanks for the compliments, we like am like that
