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NL member: Muslims don't celebrate christmas because they have been forbidden from celebrating birthdays by muhammed since allah never ordered it in the quran. A true muslim isn't even supposed to celebrate the birth of muhammed (ie Id el .Maulud), all they are supposed to do on Muhammed's birthday is to pray for him.
All this is very funny considering the fact that even their id el Kabir and Id el fitri are never mentioned in the quran either, yet they celebrate them.

you have a problem

If I won't be lying, then what is your point here above? Please let's know your intention. Go get yourself an identity first, then you know what is meant by being bashful

deols: You did not answer any of my questions golpen.

But it looks like it does not matter since it has been said that the husband can command her to do whatever..she will have to do them, according to Islam.

Your personal opinion or mine don't matter.

Let's put it that way ma'am, meanwhile I guess I'll have to start thinking of cooking for my wives when I get married (just kidding o). Yoruba people will say there is no good tale in a child saying " my father is better at cooking than my mum"

deols: so what in the quran or ahadith say any of the above. If we are talking of an Islamic life, the proof has to be from the Quran and ahadith. But if you are giving your own opinion or basing it on a cultural perspective, do say that as well.

You need to prove to us that
1. the primary role of the woman is in the house and the primary role of the husband is not.

2. that cooking is her job

3.that the husband should not cook

4.that house chores generally are a woman's duty


About Ladies who may not know how to carry out house chores, a lot may have been responsible. Some may have had family issues that made them grow up in boarding schools and off to universities where the need for them to cook never came up. Will you say that they are not deserving of marriage still. .

and some may have grown up learning other things, like handling businesses etcetera and if you find yourself in love with such a people, would their inability to cook be a reason to keep at bay?

how about if they can do all of the house chores but their job would not permit. They would need husbands who can understand their situation and not demand that they have to cook all the time.

The maid thing is exaggerated and I can not understand why a particular person has to do the cooking. The world is changing and soon, the need to save time will prevent many from having to cook. Not all maids are village girls or living in the same house with the couple.

How does the food even become the way to anyone's heart. That is so exaggerated. I have never even seen a case of it. Maybe I need to look harder.

A part of our culture has to be ignored when it doesn't go in line with the Qur'an, ahadith or sunnah. I may want to have a rethink if you can provide a verse of the Qur'an or ahadith that says the husband should cook if the wife cannot cook. Has we heard that the prophet or any of the companions cooked or cooks for the family because the wife couldn't do it? Did the slave do the cooking then? (I sincerely don't know)

All of the prophet's S A W family routine I've read only states that He HELPS in doing the chores, which I'm not against. If the husband goes to work all day in fulfilling his own part of his family duties, when does cooking come in as his duty? It remains a core of our culture that one of the primary roles of the wife is the house chore and I don't see it as going against islam. If the case is otherwise in any other part of the planet, fine it is if it doesn't go against Islam.

Fatimah bint rasul used to do the house chores that she went to the prophet to request for some slaves as helping hand.

If I find myself falling in love and willing to marry someone with your boarding background and I feel I don't want to let her go, I'm a very good cook and so will teach her to do it.

A wife engaging in a job that renders her too busy to attend to the family need is not too good for our islamic and moral society. That is why they become too busy to satisfy their husband's intimate needs. Some of the islamic scholars we have, which imam Malik is involved, learnt a deal from their mothers, who didn't allow external work to affect their family business and yes cooking was part of their main chore. That is why we regard a woman as a whole nation.

Yes, the husband may offer to help, but as long as we remain in this part of the world, the house chore remains part of the wife's duty.

NL member: Abeg I am getting tired of repeating myself.

You kept here to challenge me when I said the quran does not say anything about eid el fitri or eid el kabir and then I asked you to quote the part of the quran where they are mentioned to prove me wrong.

Twenty hours later and you still haven't done so. Which one be your own sef?

Quote where eid el fitri and eid el kabir are mentioned in the quran because you accused me of being ignorant when I said they are not in the quran.

What is your point saying that eid adha or fitr does not occur in the Qur'an? Is it not to nullify the practice? I sent you the link to get u educated that the practice is justified in the Qur'an and you're here fumbling.

What is your concern if it is not?

Sissie: Salam.
Does Islam encourage women to work YES, does Islam encourage the woman to work to feed the family NO, in Islam it's the responsibility of the man to feed his family, irrespective of his wife working or not, Infact I would categorically say even if they earn the same salary it is not her duty, however if she on her own decides to take part of the responsibility that is allowed and the husband should appreciate it and not force her to contribute to the upkeep.

W/salaam

Just perfect an answer I got and I think we're getting somewhere.

Islam's permission of the woman to work does is subject to the effect it has on the family. The primary duty of the wife is the household, which cooking is a part of. If it is the responsibility of the man to work for the general upkeep of the family, then why must he be the one to cook again because the wife cannot? Then what else has she been learning from home if cooking is not included? That apart.

The case of getting maids nowadays may be very critical, not even to the extent of cooking for the husband. What if the surest way to his heart is his mouth? Coupled with the good kitchen skills the maid displays in her unconscious bid to secure her job. In short, getting a maid (either male or female) isn't a good idea, except maybe on some exceptional cases.

The point is ladies should learn a good deal of the house chores, it is their duty as a wife. The men should also learn their responsibility values, it is part of what makes them a good hubby.

NL member: After all the unnecessary insults and attempts to sound intelligent, you still didn't quote the part of the quran where eid el kabir and eid el fitri were mentioned.

The problem is that you have no identity. If you do, you'd definitely know that the eid activities are stated in the Qur'an, so what is your point? if a question is posted at you, you'll wave saying you are not christian. And the eid found in the link I gave, does it refer to any other else aside fitr or adha?

Don't make me feel you are joking

toba: it is the sweetest name on earth and in heaven

If I hear!!!!!

JESUS, a name brother Isah does not know your english deceptive shepherds have given to Him, while you black sheep carry it on your heads. Use your internet and check for His original name.

true2god: @ Poster,

The God of isreal (the jews) established an everlasting covenant with his people. The christain/Jewish belive in the prophethood that comes from the lineage of Abraham, Isaac (not ishmael)and Jacob.

O ti so bee l'eekan

But wait o... Does islam encourage that a woman should work in order to feed the family (plus the husband)? Maybe we'll get somewhere from here, or better still what are the basic islamic duties of husband and wife respectively?

NL member: Ok stop crying and pull yourself together, I don't want to deal with emotional outbursts this afternoon.

Golpen, oya quote the part of the quran where eid el fitri and eid el kabir is mentioned.
Quote them and prove that I am wrong while you are correct.

I'm waiting.

Then I'll wonder what the use of the internet is in your village. Wear your glasses and help your pitiable situation here: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/11/happy-eid-el-kabir/ , so that you'll be able to learn, keep shut and stop displaying your bigotic myopia here.

NL member: Muslims don't celebrate christmas because they have been forbidden from celebrating birthdays by muhammed since allah never ordered it in the quran. A true muslim isn't even supposed to celebrate the birth of muhammed (ie Id el .Maulud), all they are supposed to do on Muhammed's birthday is to pray for him.
All this is very funny considering the fact that even their id el Kabir and Id el fitri are never mentioned in the quran either, yet they celebrate them.

You speak out of half baked knowledge, which I think is more pitiable than stark ignorance. You are right about the birthday aspect and you should agree that your birthday should be a moment of counting your blessings in order to thank God, reflecting on your stay on earth so as to get the real message and pray.

But you should have stopped there, instead of displaying your qualification above by saying eid is not mentioned in the Qur'an. Whereas you don't know anything about the Qur'an. The only thing you rely on are your hate sites and cooked up stories.

Still watching, trying to look before leaping, but on issues like this, we should try to mind our comments, so we don't become hypocrites... Sofry please.

donroxy: Ma'am I sounded Apologetic to you right ....hmmm, That is the way I usually convey my own message so as to satisfied parties across board !!!


Your resolution above is the same thing that I summarised here,the tone u conveyed yours and the way I conveyed mine is what differs
We HumanBeing are still myopic when it comes to Allah !!!


Who knows all about Allah,Allahu Allam !!!

Forstly, I don't think the (m) in front of my name stands for ma'am.

Bet it that you can never satisfy both parties without rendering yourself apologetic. The way we conveyed our messages is different because we aren't saying the same thing. your message was praising the accused, a supposed troll, sitting on the fence of the issue and expecting a scientific prove to endorse islam. Then you were waiting if scientific axioms will change because nature changes.

Yes we are myopic when issues come to ALLAH and why shouldn't we follow that which is being prescribed to us by HIM through HIS messengers? Why should we wait on fellow myopic human to approve what the perfect has decreed?

donroxy: Jazakumullah Khaeran !!
May Almighty Allah keeps Enriching your knowledge !!


I don't think the Op meant evil nor trying to validate the Qoran with Scientific resolutions. It is not worthy of doing so since Scientific axioms change when there is change in Nature or new knowledge/discovery found!!



Therefore we muslims should be careful to premiered some axioms on Science !!


Nevertheless, it is noteworthy of proclaiming where Science agrees with Islam and where there is divergence for the sake of Knowledge !!


Almighty Allah never wishes harm for any of us, and there is no proclamation in Qoran/Mohammed that is Harmful unless the Harm we wished ourselves ...........God is not subjective we are the one that is myopic !!!

Being apologetic about issues is not the best in any way. The fact is if science should deviate from what path ALLAH (swt) and the prophet S A W have laid for us, then it is science that has become myopic and we muslims should hold fast to the right path.

Science, as being so nosy and curious, has to spend some time in confirming their findings, hence, every finding remains a theory until proved as a fact. Therefore, every theory that doesn't go in line with islam is false, but let them go probe every theory that goes with islam, the outcome is always proved a fact because, ALLAH that owns islam, owns the worlds, the humans making the findings about the worlds and the findings themselves. No matter how dynamic they all change, they all boil down to ALLAH's awareness and to HIM our return.

toluene12: Ingestion of honey in neonates causes infant botulism. This is due to presence of bacterial spores in honey. The spores germinate and produce toxins.
The toxin causes paralysis, floppiness and sudden death in neonates.
I'm sure no doctor will recommend honey as a remedy for neonatal hypoglycemia, and neither should you.

Every pill taken consists of an active ingredient used to tackle the an illness which is mostly only a very little percentage of the entire pill. Other ingredient may either be useless or even harmful to the body, but are needed as enhancements . Some pills have in them a size of starch (as carriers to enhance firmness), some, caffeine or even cocaine (as stimulants), glucose family (as sweeteners) and so on.

A particular dosage method is required so as not to get affected by either the active or passive ingredients. Caffeine can be very dangerous as you know, but a little of it in your pill is no harm.

Honey is prescribed to be rubbed in the inner cheek of the baby, which is definitely a very almost negligible amount of it, that the body immunity of the baby can consume, whereas the glucose content of the honey can be as helpful.

Dates are a very good source of glucose, and the prophet's S A W routine of mashing dates into the babies' mouths is still commendable.

However, this is not to claim that science is our means of justifying Islam. Islam is built on the fact that there is no god/deity worth of worship except ALLAH (swt), the lord of the worlds, the banisher of distress and that Muhammad is HIS prophet and messenger, just like Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all others who came before him.

babyosisi: Don't make the mistake of trying to validate Islam with Science
You will be disgraced
Every medical text and any doctor who knows their stuff will advice mothers not to feed babies honey because of a bacterial infection that their young stomach cannot handle and here you are clapping for yourself.
Mchtwwwww!!!!!
Funny people

Can you read the op again pls? This time maybe with your eyes (and support if needed) for clear sight, and slowly (external explanation is allowed) for clear comprehension.

richP: in the same vein i can claim that islam is a false religion simply by quoting the bible.. you cant debunk a claim simply because its against your beliefs

but I thought the question was why muslims don't accept him as the son of GOD, hence, I had to give you the response according to my belief, why he is not.

I don't really want to go into comparing religions. You know the likelihood, but if you insist...

Imagine john 3:16 says Jesus is the only begotten son of GOD ,

but the same bible tells us that this verse above is not true. Please check exodus 4:22, samuel 7:13-14, jeremiah 31:9, luke 3:38, deut 14:1 and romans 8:14, for the long list of GOD's children. In fact, you'll discover that some of them must be fighting for the first place.

If you won't be selective of the bible's message, then you would be confused as to who really is GOD's son. So therefore, I hope you'll see that ascribing someone as GOD's son in any manner is a flaw.

ALLAH says in the Qur'an 4:171; (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. Which means saying anyone is ALLAH's son is what annoys HIM.

Hope I've tried a bit. Any scholarly contribution please.

cleanvessel: Tell me, why was Muhammad falling down, sweating, snoring like a camel and bearing allah's revelations with a great trouble?

By that alone, do you still need to be told that it was not the God of Isaac who appointed Muhammad because He (God) had no covenant of prophethood with his forefather, Ishmael?

I'm sure you have got the message but only pretending. The message must have been so clear to a primary school pulpil, reading this long.

Thank you for your time.

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richP: so why the selective acceptance of his messages?? you believe he was Allah sent, yet you don't believe when he says he is the son of God

Saying Jesus pbuh is the son of GOD is not a message. It is a mere fabrication ascribed to him. Imagine a part of the doctrine says he is GOD (audhubillah), some other part says he is the son of GOD. Then which are we to believe?.

ALLAH says in the Qur'an 112; "Say, “The truth is: Allah is One. Allah is Besought of all, needing none. He neither begot anyone, nor he was begotten. And equal to Him has never been any one.

As you can see, the chapter of the Qur'an above clearly states that ALLAH has no son and neither is HE begotten. Since ALLAH himself has refuted this claim, who are we HIS creatures to stay adamant?

richP: So you believe Jesus was a prophet like Muhammad? and that he was sent to deliver Allah's message?

Absolutely YES!!!

Why not marry your cousin? Millions do

Laws against cousin marriage aren't supported by science, says new book



Durham, NC — The health risks of marrying a cousin have been grossly overstated, says a new book.

A better understanding of the health effects of cousin marriage could mean more appropriate marriage laws and better medical care for cousin couples and their children.

In 'Consanguinity in Context,' author and medical geneticist Alan H. Bittles of Murdoch University in Australia examines common misconceptions about cousin marriage from legal, cultural, religious and medical perspectives.

IMAGE: Medical geneticist Alan H. Bittles is the author of a new book that examines common misconceptions about cousin marriage.

Marriage between cousins is taboo in much of the Western world. In the United States, 31 of 50 states outlaw marriage between first cousins, or allow it only under certain circumstances.

Although cousin marriage is banned in much of the US, the practice is tolerated and even encouraged in other parts of the world. In South Asia and the Middle East, for example, 20-50% of marriages are between first cousins or even closer relatives. They're in good company. More than 10% of people worldwide are married to a second cousin or closer, or have parents who are cousins.

Charles Darwin and his wife Emma were first cousins. Darwin's grandparents were cousins too.

Cultures where cousin marriage is common point to its social and economic benefits, such as strengthening family ties and keeping wealth in the family.

Opponents argue that first cousin marriage increases the risk of passing on genetic abnormalities. But for Bittles, 35 years of research on the health effects of cousin marriage have led him to believe that the risks of marrying a cousin have been greatly exaggerated.

There's no doubt that children whose parents are close biological relatives are at a greater average risk of inheriting genetic disorders, Bittles writes. Studies of cousin marriages worldwide suggest that the risks of illness and early death are three to four percent higher than in the rest of the population.

But the risks apply primarily to couples who are carriers of disorders that are normally very, very rare, Bittles explained. "For over 90% of cousin marriages, their risk [of having a child with a genetic abnormality] is the same as it is for the general population," he said.

What's more, many studies of the effects of cousin marriage fail to account for the influence of non-genetic factors on infant health, such as socioeconomic status, maternal diet during pregnancy, and infections. "Many of the data are exceedingly poor," Bittles said.

Some degree of inbreeding has been the norm for much of human history.

Scientists estimate that the first people to migrate out of Africa numbered 700 to 10,000 breeding-aged individuals. Given those small numbers, and the fact that these people likely dispersed in small hunter-gatherer groups and often married within their clan or tribe, "it seems inevitable that some level of close kin mating would have occurred," Bittles writes.

"If you marry within your community, there's not a lot of people to choose from," he added.

Bittles is now studying the effects of kin mating in early humans and the genetic consequences for people living today at the U. S. National Evolutionary Synthesis Center in Durham, North Carolina.

One surprising and oft-neglected advantage of marriage between close biological relatives is a phenomenon called purging, in which disease genes are exposed and removed from the gene pool.

Thanks to purging, marriage between close relatives in early human populations would have kept the prevalence of genetic disorders low, Bittles explained.

Today, cousin marriage is on the rise in regions with a large influx of immigrants from areas where the practice is more common, such as North Africa, the Middle East, and Central and Southern Asia.

But in the long-term, shrinking family sizes and increased mobility in many parts of the world means that cousin marriage is likely to decline. In the absence of purging, harmful genetic variants could accumulate over time.

"We may be creating a problem for ourselves in future generations," Bittles said


www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-04/nesc-wnm042512.php

Our dear cleanvessel

I know you don't mean to put that on my face by your words anyway, but do I have a choice?

Imagine you're streamlining being brothers to maternal alone, in your own sensibility. You condition is indeed pitiable. Smh.

You are only being stubborn in your christian way. I'll just pray GOD in HIS infinite mercy helps you.

Dear richP

Believe in the existence and message of every prophet; Adam, Abraham, Moses et al PBUT and in fact, Isah (Jesus) pbuh and Muhammad S A W, is part of the articles of muslims' faith. Anyone who doesn't believe in the existence and Message of Jesus is definitely not a muslim.

The area is think may lie the crux is that muslims don't believe that Jesus is GOD, neither do we believe that he is the son of GOD. We also do not believe that he died.

Hope this answers your question sire. Please feel free to put forward your questions, capable hands are available to answer them inshaa ALLAH, provided you ask with due and utmost sincerity. Thanks.

@cleanvessel

Stop spitting gibberish

Yes I agree that it is a covenant of prophethood and yes it is everlasting we muslims still believe in all those prophets, but it doesn't mean aa prophet wasn't coming from the other wing. This is not sharing of the covenant, neither is it transfering. You don't need to collect a gift from someone before giving a replica to another if you have them at your disposal.

Must you twist what is clear? Regarding 'their brother' means the brother of isrealites generally and not from within them. This is as simple. Please stop parading your hypocrisy here.

I'll give the similarities between Moses AS and Muhammad S A W for the benefit of those who don't know or didn't go through that link, so that they'll be enlightened and see how hypocritic you are becoming on this issue.

1. Both were both given comprehensive law code of life (10 commandments and shariah respectively)

2. Both encountered enemies and won in miraculous ways.

3. Both went on migration from plots to assassinate them.

These are just a few to save us from the long list. But beware, there isn't a similarity as above between Moses A S and Jesus PBUH, neither is there any in a logical sense. In fact, Jesus PBUH was born without any male intervention but Moses A S was (a clear difference).

You better stop deceiving yourself. GOD's promise to the isrealites isn't a barrier to the advent of a prophet from the family of ishmael A S. I'll still give more evidence when next I'm less busy.

@cleanvessel

Stop spitting gibberish

Yes I agree that it is a covenant of prophethood and yes it is everlasting we muslims still believe in all those prophets, but it doesn't mean aa prophet wasn't coming from the other wing. This is not sharing of the covenant, neither is it transfering. You don't need to collect a gift from someone before giving a replica to another if you have them at your disposal.

Must you twist what is clear? Regarding 'their brother' means the brother of isrealites generally and not from within them. This is as simple. Please stop parading your hypocrisy here.

I'll give the similarities between Moses AS and Muhammad S A W for the benefit of those who don't know or didn't go through that link, so that they'll be enlightened and see how hypocritic you are becoming on this issue.

1. Both were both given comprehensive law code of life (10 commandments and shariah respectively)

2. Both encountered enemies and won in miraculous ways.

3. Both went on migration from plots to assassinate them.

These are just a few to save us from the long list. But beware, there isn't a similarity as above between Moses A S and Jesus PBUH, neither is there any in a logical sense. In fact, Jesus PBUH was born without any male intervention but Moses A S was (a clear difference).

You better stop deceiving yourself. GOD's promise to the isrealites isn't a barrier to the advent of a prophet from the family of ishmael A S. I'll still give more evidence when next I'm less busy.

cleanvessel: You have made no valid points there and besides, I noticed you are silent on my other salient points but you just said something to make people believe you are not short of words:

1. We are talking of spiritual things you are talking of an American president prophecised by a carnal man. How relevant? Your rating has seriously dropped.

2. You have seen from the Bible and Quran (Gen. 17:19, Quran 29:27) that only Isaac and his descendants had unending COVENANT of PROPHETHOOD with God,Ishmael didn't. Therefore no true prophet could come from Ishmael's generations as far as the true God is concerned. Muhammad, being a descent of Ishmael could not have been appointed by the true God.

3. No prophecy from God could come for Muhammad in the Bible and it is not there and it cannot be there. It was not in the plan of God to appoint a prophet outside the lineage of Isaac. In reality, all other prophets came from Isaac's descent as planned by God except Muhammad. By now you must have seen the truth but indulge yourself in self-deception. May God deliver you from the power of falsehood.

I agree I have no valid points you could debunk. What salient points did you make? I'm still always surprised at how you talk like you are GOD's personal assistant (audhubillah) who knows all HIS mind, speaking authoritatively that HE has no plans to bring a prophet from the ishmaelites. Did HE ever mention that? You better be careful how you make regards to GOD.

Maybe you or your version of the bible tags the convenant as that of prophethood, but the bible I have here mentions only CONVENANT(what a shame) which might have been something else, but for the sake of argument, I also agree it is of prophethood. The fact is the prophecy did not nullify a prophet coming from the descendant of the brother.

And that is what comes when deut 18:18 says GOD shall send forth a prophet from one of their BROTHERS, which definitely is not Jesus A S for he was one of them and not of their brothers. The prophecy describes the prophet as that who is like Moses A S and we have given you account of similarities between Moses A S and Muhammad S A W.

I made reference to the black president prophecy to refute your claims that the prophecy in deuteronomy is for Jesus because he came earlier and I'm sure a sensible mind should get that straight away. I don't care if my rating is dropped because I don't speak to earn any. Maybe you speech for rating is why you are always ashamed of backing off when you get spanked on the head, but fyi, speaking on after that only displays your level ignorance and brings questions up about your faculty.

And on page 31 ends my best NL thread of my stay so far... This is 2013 and what my heart wishes as I type this is that ALLAH in HIS infinite mercies holds steadfast the feet of umm umar (@ifyalways) on the path of Islam, illuminate the hearts of the unbelievers and increase the muslims all over the world in great light, knowledge and piety.

So a great journey that almost drove me to tears at a stage.

I did not meet most of these guys on NL tho, but I'm beginning to miss them.

Dragging issues on this topic is like going through an endless journey. No one is asking you to believe that his advent was prophesied in the bible and that is not the basis of why I am a muslim. I definitely wasn't expecting you to agree with the link.

But the confidence you pose when giving your flimsy analysis may be highly commendable by an ignorant fellow rather, it is laughable to the sensible. When it was promised in deut 18:18 that a prophet is to be sent from the isrealites brethren, so from where else would the prophet be from.

A prophet like like unto moses, and how is jesus like moses? Of course it could jump jesus A S to muhammed S A W, because moses' prophecy doesn't cancel that of jesus. Prophecies have been heard of a black president in america and he didn't come until very lately after some other whites have been president. Let's just lay it to rest, may ALLAH illuminate yours and other reader's heart to the truth.

cleanvessel: I thought you have said bye-bye before. Saying good evening after you have said good night? Muslims are fond of lying.


Have you seen from the above bible and quran quotes that no prophet is expected from the lineage of Ishmael? What is your comment?

I won't be surprised at your comment above. It clearly shows how christian you are. Imagine how you got several half baked and contradictory stories in your bible, all because you have refused to get simple messages clear. I did say I was done with you on revelation conscious sub conscious issue and not the whole thread.

Let's see how you try with your knowledge of primary school comprehension classes and your adult maturity as you go through this link, searching for answers to your question.

www.islamicity.com/mosque/muhammad_bible.htm

Sometimes I just think God has decided to punish them with their own intended ignorance, by making them feel they understand what is not logical to a sensible kindergarten. They tend to protect it by their various means and then it brings them to the jungle of confusion, trying to get out of the web trap, then they fumble... Imagine cleanvessel and read this.

Missed the story too...