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^ the topic of your article shouldn't have been 'explanations wanted', but should be 'arguments demanded' .

You should rather think people have gotten tired of your baseless inconstructive arguments, such that they've decided not to reply to your posts any longer...

But really, the more you try to dig up faults from what is absolutely faultless, the more you technically mislead yourself (just advising). But althrough your posts here, haven't you found one that is commendable of islam from all your conspiracy researches, for you to post?

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@tbaba...may ALLAH help me with the task in sha ALLAH...Waiting for your acceptance on bbm o @OP.

Hello @guttentag

I thank GOD for guiding you through to the right path...you are always welcome to islam..I've sent you a request on bbm and I'm sure you'll get the full support from muslim brothers here as well.

Salaam

It is no doubt that many of the useful and educative threads have gone into the archive. I don't know if there's a way of searching for these threads for several purposes. If there isn't, can there be a means?

Mintayo: i just laugh when i see dis ur post...
What is in muslims or islam that christains compete abt? Pls tell me,what is der to compete abt in islam??
Is it d killings of xtains in d north? Or denying women their right? Pls dnt even let us go into dt pls!

No christain-a follower of christ-a person redeemed by d precious blood of Jesus will say he/she hates a muslim==>it is not CHRISTLIKE.
JESUS DIED FOR THE WHOLE WORLD INCLUDING MUSLIMS,BUDHISTS,HINDU,AGNOSTIC,ATHIESTS ETC.
INFACT IN UR PRESENT STATE NOW,HE LOVES YOU,IT WILL JUST BE A REGRETABLE JOURNEY IF YOU DIED WITHOUT ACCEPTING(not lying 2ursef dt u believ Him)HIM INTO UR LIFE!

Nd saying dt all prophets are human liable to sin is a baseless defence of ur prophet's lifestyle.

Jesus was not liable to sin,He was above sin...He forgave and forgives sin==CAN A SINNER DO THAT?

THIS NOT ABT COMPETITION,IT IS ABT KNOWING THE TRUTH-IT IS ABOUT NOT HIDING FROM D TRUTH-BEING OPEN TO D TRUTH!

I pray God will have mercy!

I don't always like you to laugh at vivid points here. I'll rather be frank with you though you have a funny response here.

if the muslims don't matter that much to you, why is it that you can't take a break from coming to the islam section with your false stories and baseless claims!

I just think I can manage smile at your self-deception of christ dying for your sins. You shall meet God there!!!

I won't have to argue with you. Various citations have been made to you, but you won't listen. Jesus calling some people dogs, calling people foolish and even cursing a fig tree for refusing to bear fruit because it wasn't the season, is no sin to you. You need a doctor...I think.

I say amen to your prayers and I pray the same for you because now you need a lot loads of it than I do.

I think I remember it is said that jesus coursed a fig tree, which refused to bear a fruit for him to eat, because it wasn't the season for figs.

The thing is; we muslims love all the prophets in general and we believe in them. We are not here to shatter any prophet, but they were all ordinary men like us (who are liable to sin), sent with the extra-ordinary spiritual message and powers, but the greatest dilemma of average christians is their awareness of muslims as a competition (which is not for muslims) hence, their serious hatred.

That hatred is the biggest problem they have, such that they get to understand somethings inside of them, but still force themselves not to understand.

Lord_Reed: This discussion was not about determine who has the best faith but to understand if Saudi's public policy is representative of what public policy will be in a theocratic Islamic state established elsewhere. As you asserted Saudi is the picture of Islam.

And I think I've made it clear to you that there's nothing bad in protecting you own opinion and deciding your own practice - an image you so cherish at that.

Lord_Reed: My argument is not weak because the analogies do not parallel. The entire landmass of Saudi is not devoted to Mecca and Medina or other holy sites. Secondly if you sovereignty grants you the right to draw up unfavorable policies then whence do we expect any system of government to be perfected if we cannot point out errors?

This opinion of yours is to you. No matter how large the land mass, an average mind pictures the islamic religion relating to saudi. I don't know how to start mentioning on and on, but the bottom line is saudi is a non-secular state. I've not seen an error in a decision made, when the citizens are not complaining. And besides, the christians who have found the place suitable at the expense of practising their religion as deserved should be blamed.

Lord_Reed: You do not make unauthorized changes to a uniform and expect the organization to accept. I believe there are channels through which such changes may be demanded and approved to go against the grain simply because you have a conviction will net you untoward reaction, this happens whether the circumstances are religious or not.

It's unfortunate that any organization should compel anyone to fellowship if their faith is contrary. The RSU has perpetrated an injustice against its Muslim population no one should say their actions are just.

I agree with you that the changes have to be authorised.

then if you agree these things are happening in the christian world, why do you question islam's tolerance, when christianity's is not in any way better.

You are welcome my brother. This is the tactic they use; "the best way to defend is to attack". I for one, think they are saying that islam was spread by the sword, in order to hide their history of how the early christian crusaders had spread the religion by swords, oppression and molestation.

Alhamdulillah, napolleon hill isn't a muslim and we can all read him talk of the story of when the prophet(s a w)'s army entered jerusalem, without killing a soul, in contrast to the christian crusaders killing every muslim soul centuries later.

We have heard several non-muslim eminents in the likes of Mahatma Ghandi of india, talk of the prophet (s a w) in his remarks that said;

M.K.Gandhi, YOUNG INDIA, 1924

"...I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble." YOUNG INDIA, 1924.

Then why should we care about the modern myopic christians, who follow the church gullibly as it bends them to ever changing rules in order to suit the clerics. Christians who have been brainwashed by western civilisation, gleefully accepting the indecencies that come with it. christians who practice a religion with no basis for their activities. Imagine they don't know the date of christ's birth, hence they picked an idol worship day for the celebration.

We should continue to pray for and try to help them to rethink and ponder on the logics, indecencies and discrepancies of their religion.

Mohammed was a prophet, but he never performed a miracle. He was not a mystic; he had no formal schooling; he did not begin his mission until he was forty. When he announced that he was the Messenger of God, bringing word of the true religion, he was ridiculed and labeled a lunatic. Children tripped him and women threw filth upon him. He was banished from his native city, Mecca, and his followers were stripped of their worldly goods and sent into the desert after him. When he had been preaching ten years he had nothing to show for it but banishment, poverty and ridicule. Yet before another ten years had passed, he was dictator of all Arabia, ruler of Mecca, and the head of a New World religion which was to sweep to the Danube and the Pyrenees before exhausting the impetus he gave it. That impetus was three-fold: the power of words, the efficacy of prayer and man's kinship with God.

"His career never made sense. Mohammed was born to impoverished members of a leading family of Mecca. Because Mecca, the crossroads of the world, home of the magic stone called the Caaba, great city of trade and the center of trade routes, was unsanitary, its children were sent to be raised in the desert by Bedouins. Mohammed was thus nurtured, drawing strength and health from the milk of nomad, vicarious mothers. He tended sheep and soon hired out to a rich widow as leader of her caravans. He traveled to all parts of the Eastern World, talked with many men of diverse beliefs and observed the decline of Christianity into warring sects. When he was twenty-eight, Khadija, the widow, looked upon him with favor, and married him. Her father would have objected to such a marriage, so she got him drunk and held him up while he gave the paternal blessing. For the next twelve years Mohammed lived as a rich and respected and very shrewd trader. Then he took to wandering in the desert, and one day he returned with the first verse of the Koran and told Khadija that the archangel Gabriel had appeared to him and said that he was to be the Messenger of God.

"The Koran, the revealed word of God, was the closest thing to a miracle in Mohammed's life. He had not been a poet; he had no gift of words. Yet the verses of the Koran, as he received them and recited them to the faithful, were better than any verses which the professional poets of the tribes could produce. This, to the Arabs, was a miracle. To them the gift of words was the greatest gift, the poet was all-powerful. In addition the Koran said that all men were equal before God, that the world should be a democratic state - Islam. It was this political heresy, plus Mohammed's desire to destroy all the 360 idols in the courtyard of the Caaba, which brought about his banishment. The idols brought the desert tribes to Mecca, and that meant trade. So the business men of Mecca, the capitalists, of which he had been one, set upon Mohammed. Then he retreated to the desert and demanded sovereignty over the world.

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"The rise of Islam began. Out of the desert came a flame which would not be extinguished - a democratic army fighting as a unit and prepared to die without wincing. Mohammed had invited the Jews and Christians to join him; for he was not building a new religion. He was calling all who believed in one God to join in a single faith. If the Jews and Christians had accepted his invitation Islam would have conquered the world. They didn't. They would not even accept Mohammed's innovation of humane warfare. When the armies of the prophet entered Jerusalem not a single person was killed because of his faith. When the crusaders entered the city, centuries later, not a Moslem man, woman, or child was spared. But the Christians did accept one Moslem idea - the place of learning, the university."

Lord_Reed: Pardon me but is there any state in Nigeria were Christians have said no mosque will be built? In an institution were they have recognised uniforms why should hijab be permitted? Are female Muslim police women wearing hijab? Female Armed Forces? Do those organisations were that are made to go fellowship stop Muslims from salat?

On the no mosque issue, @betathings was referring to a university in rivers state where a mosque has been denied the muslim students of the school.

The wearing of hijab, making a slight change in the uniform makes it a sub of the uniform (the muslims students' dressing) and doesn't go in anyway to affect the activities of the school. That is why a man in the armed force is allowed to keep his beards because he is devout and he still participates actively in the force.

Why should that organisation try to compel them to go to fellowship. I went to loyola college in ibadan, though I was a day student. The school was a catholic mission school before the state government took over it. Still the christians have not shown a pinch of the tolerance your talking about when they forcefully drive the muslim boarding students to the chapel for morning mass. Even as a day student, they made us act like them, regardless the religion. A student who doesn't stand still for angelus is surely in hot soup. Even christians that don't belong to catholism also complain.

Lord_Reed: Pardon me but is there any state in Nigeria were Christians have said no mosque will be built? In an institution were they have recognised uniforms why should hijab be permitted? Are female Muslim police women wearing hijab? Female Armed Forces? Do those organisations were that are made to go fellowship stop Muslims from salat?

On the no mosque issue, @betathings was referring to a university in rivers state where a mosque has been denied the muslim students of the school.

The wearing of hijab, making a slight change in the uniform makes it a sub of the uniform (the muslims students' dressing) and doesn't go in anyway to affect the activities of the school. That is why a man in the armed force is allowed to keep his beards because he is devout and he still participates actively in the force.

Why should that organisation try to compel them to go to fellowship. I went to loyola college in ibadan, though I was a day student. The school was a catholic mission school before the state government took over it. Still the christians have not shown a pinch of the tolerance your talking about when they forcefully drive the muslim boarding students to the chapel for morning mass. Even as a day student, they made us act like them, regardless the religion. A student who doesn't stand still for angelus is surely in hot soup. Even christians that don't belong to catholism also complain.

Lord_Reed: So a land mass completely devoted to religious centre is intolerance to you? Have I said that Islamic holy sites should have churches built on them? Saudi has lots of landmass that cannot be referred to as holy sites so how is it unreasonable to expect that some of it can be used by others for their own religious devotion?

I won't go in line with your weak excuse of exempting the vatican from the accusations you lay against saudi. As the owner of your house, you have the choice to choose the type of person that enters into it, you make your choices on many issues for yourself and even if you have your way, choose the kind of friends your child makes. The vatican and saudi have the same ground on this and the land mass is not an excuse. We have every possibility that the same ground will be stood if the vatican was as large in mass as saudi.

Nobody should criticise you for what decision you make to suit your own self, how much less a decision made by several good heads to protect the image of a whole country.

Do we ask him to stop it? I think the answer is NO. But he should please learn a lesson from this incident and device an easier means of sharing the items.

But I think the poverty level amongst muslims got to that stage because most of our muslim rich have not been doing well in terms of zakaat.

May ALLAH grant the dead a good welcome

^ I seriously agree with you. I've not had good sleeps really since the beginning of ramadan.

Stressful day today, going home now to battle with my printer cartridge. It really gave me a serious problem yesterday and greatly affected my plans today.

alexis: golpen



Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!



In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs



You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart.

alexis: golpen



Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!



In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs



You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart.

alexis: golpen



Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!



In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs



You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart.

alexis: golpen



Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!



In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs



You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart.

alexis: golpen



Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!



In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs



You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart.

alexis: golpen



Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!



In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs



You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart.

alexis: golpen



Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!



In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs



You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart.

alexis: golpen



Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!



In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs



You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart.

alexis: golpen



Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!



In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs



You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart.

alexis: golpen



Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!



In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs



You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart.

alexis: golpen



Do you have reading difficulty? The "word" Jew didn't exist during their time - I was making that clear. They believed in the same God, they believed in the teaching He gave them, the ordinances etc. Stop poking your eye when you read!



In Islam, Mohammed taught you to worship the daughters on Allah, so shut up and swallow your monotheism crap! He later turned around and said Satan deceived him. I wonder how satan can deceive a "true prophet of God". Muslims take a pilgrimage to Mecca every year to kiss a black stone - if that is not idol worship then I don't know what the heck it is. Is Allah in the Kabba? Please tell us the lineage of Ishaeml - show us how he is related to Arabs



You can be a professor of Islamic studies but you can't hide from history mate. You can know the Quran and recite it back and forth, it doesn't change the fact that your prophet was an armed robber, a murderer and a common thief. It's in your own religious texts.

Seriously I won't engage you in any more dialogue after this. You seem like a typical NL christian, preparing his mind not to understand clear proofs. When you say someone is the father of the jewish and arab race. What makes him the first jew, also makes him the first arab!!! Saying he is the first jew a a blunder. Saying he is the father of jews is more acceptable, which also makes him father of arabs.

More reason why I won't like to argue with you any longer is you asking me to show you the lineage of ishmael. It shows you don't even know your bible, because it is in the bible right before your nose, but as I have promise to help you get off the virus off your head, you may want to check this page http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2005/03-17.htm

Replying you again after this would only waste my time. I'll just advice you to go think straight and get off all these you stories off your mind, then you watch how sweet your dreams shall be when you sleep with a light heart.

alexis: golpen



Mr Man, try not to leave your brain in the dust-pin when it relates to your religion. I said he was the first Jew and not the first Israelite. Abraham was considered the first Jew in that he was the founder of monotheism and the first patriarch of Judaism. Abraham begets Isaac, in turn Jacob, in turn Joseph and the twelve tribes, this brings us directly to the people of Israel and the covenant at Sinai.

By the Arab race coming from Abraham doesn't mean he was Arab (use your Brain Mr Man). The Bible claim he is the father of many nations because of his belief and faith he had in God not because of his his cultural background. By your explanation, he must have been Yoruba, Igbo, Native American or even Chinese. I am talking about his faith not his lineage.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, known as the Patriarchs, are both the physical and spiritual ancestors of Judaism. They founded the religion now known as Judaism, and their descendants are the Jewish people. Of course, technically, it is incorrect to refer to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as Jews, because the terms "Jew" and "Judaism" were not used generally to refer to this nation until hundreds of years after their time



Are you saying Mohammed wasn't a robber? Or a thief? Allah's wrath affects those who believe in him Bros, I don't . Your Quran and Hadith confirms the battles and raids Mohammed under-took. If you want me to show you, please ask.

Now can you hear yourself roll in your pool of confusion. You said, "Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, known as the Patriarchs, are both the physical and spiritual ancestors of Judaism. They founded the religion now known as Judaism, and their descendants are the Jewish people. Of course, technically, it is incorrect to refer to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as Jews, because the terms "Jew" and "Judaism" were not used generally to refer to this nation until hundreds of years after their time".

Refuting your own claims by your own self?!!! I think by now you know whose brain is in the dust. I may only help you wipe the virus off your brain like you've helped me by refuting your claims here. You mention isaac and jacob as if that was the only lineage that came from Abraham. Where would you put that lineage of ismaeel?, so saying Abraham was the first jew signifies that you need a doctor. Abraham is just as paternally, spiritually and otherwise attached to the arabs and muslims as to the jews and judaism, so get your thinking straight. And like you have said, if he practised true monotheism which is found in Islam, that makes him a muslim.

Notifying you of HIS wrath should not get you upset. It should rather have you look rationally into your conspiracy stories. I know the Qur'an, so I don't need your ignorant reference.

alexis: Abraham was the first Jew. How can Moses and Jesus be muslims when during their life-time there was no religion called Islam?



Mohammed was also fond of robbing caravans and killing people. That is not entirely peaceful is it? He personally was involved in 26 battles. Compare his life with that Jesus Christ. Is there a contrast?

I've learnt not to keep arguing with NL christians because what I come to discover their inability to think straight. Listen to yourself calling Abraham the first jew, when you know quite alright that the Arab race was also from him. Won't you call him the first arab? Moses, Jesus, and all other prophets of Allah were muslims. There has been the concept of Islam (total submission to the will of ALLAH) right from Adam and the one message of ALLAH's monotheism, requesting mankind to belive in HIM has been the only message common to them all. And any body who adheres to the message is a MUSLIM.


And I don't understand where you get all your conspiracy stories from. That is the wrath of ALLAH you call upon yourselves if you don't desist. Bring out your references on how and whem Muhammad (s a w) robbed and killed people unjustly.

alexis: Abraham was the first Jew. How can Moses and Jesus be muslims when during their life-time there was no religion called Islam?



Mohammed was also fond of robbing caravans and killing people. That is not entirely peaceful is it? He personally was involved in 26 battles. Compare his life with that Jesus Christ. Is there a contrast?

I've learnt not to keep arguing with NL christians because what I come to discover their inability to think straight. Listen to yourself calling Abraham the first jew, when you know quite alright that the Arab race was also from him. Won't you call him the first arab? Moses, Jesus, and all other prophets of Allah were muslims. There has been the concept of Islam (total submission to the will of ALLAH) right from Adam and the one message of ALLAH's monotheism, requesting mankind to belive in HIM has been the only message common to them all. And any body who adheres to the message is a MUSLIM.


And I don't understand where you get all your conspiracy stories from. That is the wrath of ALLAH you call upon yourselves if you don't desist. Bring out your references on how and whem Muhammad (s a w) robbed and killed people unjustly.

Nezan: The main tenets of Islam can be very appealing,
   a. A call to believe in one God, the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus
   b. A call to repentance and submission to the will of God
   c. A call to holy living, involving diligent prayer, fasting,
      charity, and pilgrimage

Yet the early history of Islam and recent events have many people wondering,
   a. Is Islam a religion of peace?
   b. Does Islam allow people to live together in harmony regardless of
      race, class or beliefs?

Most Muslims say they are for living together in peace and harmony,
   a. Especially those living in countries where Muslims are in the
      minority
   b. Yet one might ask, "Is this because of Islam, or in spite of
      Islam?"
   c. Would there be calls for peace and tolerance if Muslims were the
      majority?

A. Islam is a religion of peace...yes
B. Of course! Islam allow people to live together regardless of any differences. Read your history, the jewish history witnessed their most prosperous times under islamic rule. The religion teaches building cordial relationship amongst neighbours no matter the difference.
C. Muslims are for living together in peace, regardless their numbers...and that is because the religion teaches it.
D. Read your history very well, during the years of islamic dominance, about what the world looked like!

The thing is, many people judge islam from afar, through hear says and the concpiracy media, without taking the time to look directly into the religion.