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Islam › Re: Muslim Countries Found To Have Highest Rates Of Birth Defects? by golpen(m): 12:15pm On Sep 22, 2013

I'm sorry, but I can't find the list or where it says muslim countries are affected on the source. Please help.

Islam › Re: Quran Says Bible Is A Book Of Reference For The Muslims by golpen(m): 10:14pm On Sep 21, 2013

@cleanvessel

You are going against your rational logic. Don't tell me your pastor may decide to keep quiet even when God wishes to speak through him. All those that fall down at your pastors touching them are on demonic spells. Tell me a true christian don't fall on receiving annointing again.

I can see that you are not ready accept my claims as I'll never also be ready to accept yours, but I think I've put my opinion here on the thread and I think that is enough. This is going to be my last post on this particular issue.

Islam › Re: Does Islam Condone Or Encourage Desecration Of Jesus(prophet Isah) by golpen(m): 8:19pm On Sep 21, 2013

jpiliya: I came to dis tread because I was intrested in your response to it ( does islam condone ? ) and you failed me... yes a saluted mintayo because he is responding to your oversight questions .... and if am guilty by that then you are equally as guilty for inviting me.. it shows you were as well intrested in my supporting him by inviting me to responsed side by side mintayo.

I'm so sorry about the disappointment and as you can see, the thread's question has been answered, only for your fellow brethren to breed arguments afterwards. Don't mind them sha, just one slave causes the general molestation of other slaves. And mind you, I only invited you to go through the link and you refused. Sorry once again anyway.

Islam › Re: Quran Says Bible Is A Book Of Reference For The Muslims by golpen(m): 6:25pm On Sep 21, 2013

@cleanvessel

If they don't speak in tongues as automatically as you say, it definitely means they are trained linguists. If the verse of the bible mark 16:17 tells us that speaking in tongues is an evidence that the holy spirit is talking, then the person mustn't have been speaking all by himself which renders him unconscious of what's next to say.

To your questions;

1. The Qur'an wouldn't have been bigger even if the prophet Muhammad (s a w) were to still be alive. ALLAH says in t he Qur'an 5:3 and I quote; "This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion." This shows that the Qur'aan is all complete, ma sha ALLAH. 110% sure.

2. your question has been answered above.

3. I'm so sure the Qur'anic revelations are enough to take me to paradise insha ALLAH, because I'm yet to find an aspect of life which is not covered by the Qur'an.

4. Islam is not a religion of deception that you have to tell lies of NDEs. My evidence; The bible says in hebrew 9:27 " And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" . Going by this, all your fantasies about NDEs are null and false.

You better stop all the fallacy and face reality. Go beyond the deception modes of your pastors telling you about currents and towers please. They are using these to blend the doctrines to fit their pockets.

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Islam › Re: Does Islam Condone Or Encourage Desecration Of Jesus(prophet Isah) by golpen(m): 5:18pm On Sep 21, 2013

jpiliya: on whom did I try to force my stance? mind you I never discussed jesus/christianity with you or anyone on this tread .... I know fully well that I cant convict any heart on my own God does that mine is just to tell you the TRUE that s all and since this tread was not initially for that I rejected your invitation to view a certain link and comments then how am I forcing my stance on you?

I'm not refering to this particular thread alone, but but every intruding posts here. Meanwhile, the offence of the criminal is minor to that who indulges him (just an idiom). You came on the thread to support your fellow so your case isn't different from his.

Islam › Re: Does Islam Condone Or Encourage Desecration Of Jesus(prophet Isah) by golpen(m): 5:09pm On Sep 21, 2013

Mintayo: are you advocating for my ban or what?
I didnt say anything that breeds chaos, so i dnt know what u r talking abt,if u can not contribute meaningfully why not avoid the thread.
I know u v Jesus in ur book,but one need to see which one u have in there,because history,let alone the Bible does not agree with the jesus u v in there.
Peace.

I'm not advocating for your ban so do not fear because of your illicit act. I have contributed meaningfully but all you do is go the cunning way about it.

I don't want you to ask to bring up facts from history that goes against that of the Isah(jesus) we have in our Qur'an. I'm so sure you'll go in circles again or you quote bible references I won't believe in, so keep to yourself.

Islam › Re: Quran Says Bible Is A Book Of Reference For The Muslims by golpen(m): 3:10pm On Sep 21, 2013

cleanvessel: @golpen

This is the point; true revelations are not received in unconscious or semi-conscious manner. The ones received under such circumstances are demonic.

God speaks to the true prophets and they hear through their ears. Sometimes they hear with their mind, which is known as 'inspiration'. There is no record of any of God's true prophets falling down unconscious to receive revelations. God does not cease your being to communicate with you. It is the Devil that does that.

Luke, Mark, Matthew and John recorded the life and deed of Jesus and there is nothing wrong with that. Doesn't the quran record the events of the earlier prophets though incompletely? Did Muhammad need to fall down unconscious to receive revelations of events already recorded in the Scripture (Bible)?

Has God stopped speaking?

Did you hear from allah as a muslim since Muhammad died?

I tell you, you are not current with God. If you are not current you cannot be correct. If you are not correct you cannot collect.

Islam › Re: Quran Says Bible Is A Book Of Reference For The Muslims by golpen(m): 3:08pm On Sep 21, 2013

cleanvessel: @golpen

This is the point; true revelations are not received in unconscious or semi-conscious manner. The ones received under such circumstances are demonic.

God speaks to the true prophets and they hear through their ears. Sometimes they hear with their mind, which is known as 'inspiration'. There is no record of any of God's true prophets falling down unconscious to receive revelations. God does not cease your being to communicate with you. It is the Devil that does that.

Luke, Mark, Matthew and John recorded the life and deed of Jesus and there is nothing wrong with that. Doesn't the quran record the events of the earlier prophets though incompletely? Did Muhammad need to fall down unconscious to receive revelations of events already recorded in the Scripture (Bible)?

Has God stopped speaking?

Did you hear from allah as a muslim since Muhammad died?

I tell you, you are not current with God. If you are not current you cannot be correct. If you are not correct you cannot collect.

This is where you finally displayed your flaws. If I'll agree by your theory that revelations aquired on semi-conscious manner are demonic, then your pastors speaking in tongues in your churches are casting demonic spells on you, while you humbly accept or say amen.

Luke, john, mathew, mark and others giving accounts of life and deed of Jesus is rather a biography and that is no hint of revelation needed for you to know that you are replying my post here on NL.

ALLAH has completed for us our Deen and has brought HIS favour upon us. That is why everything needed as guidance in our trails and endeavours through life is found in the Qur'an, with elaboration in the hadith and sunnah of the prophet Muhammad (S A W), so save your fingers for useful words.

Ooookay, being current with God is the latest code of deception your pastors use in twisting the doctrines from time to time for their pockets right?...save your currents please.

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Islam › Re: Does Islam Condone Or Encourage Desecration Of Jesus(prophet Isah) by golpen(m): 2:53pm On Sep 21, 2013

Mintayo: don't take it too hard pls.
Nothing in that link that has not being refuted or debunked in several threads,so i dnt its worth it.
And again,ask a muslim where their prophet can be found in d Bible,and before he or she answer,one can easily tell the part of the Bible where this ppl will quote from even when is not there...so what is the point?
How can i ask more questions when the ones i put up there have not been answered.huh?

Highlighting to you what I think is your flaw is not hard on you at all. The point still remains you come into this section to breed chaos and when you get spanked on the head you lay the victim card. Your opinion has always been left to you only when you stick to your christian and eithist section provided for you by the website.

I accept and even love it that Isah A S(jesus) is in my own Qur'an and I don't need that Muhammad is in the bible to confirm the authencity of my deen. Peace.

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Islam › Re: Does Islam Condone Or Encourage Desecration Of Jesus(prophet Isah) by golpen(m): 12:47pm On Sep 21, 2013

Mintayo: you know what,i have so many links from so many islamic sites that tried to put ur prophet in d Bible and also call him d 'comforter' promised by Jesus but none is true.
I dnt need to go to all those sites before knowing that ur prophet is not in the Bible,but thanks anyway for trying!

Mintayo: thank you sir,God bless you too.
I may unfollow the thread soon,because i am tired of saying the same thing over and over again,even sometimes in different ways!

You are making me to feel that your situation is very pitiable. You went through the link and can't debunk the facts. You claim you have more questions and you can't post them. You threaten to unfollow the thread as if anybody ever forced you to follow it. You better know what you're doing!!

Islam › Re: Does Islam Condone Or Encourage Desecration Of Jesus(prophet Isah) by golpen(m): 12:40pm On Sep 21, 2013

jpiliya: a
@golpen am certain of what I have up my brains and I need no link full of fallacy to confuse me... if I have questions I will ask, if you have questions you can ask but you won't poise a question, answer yourself and expected others to accept you answering questions you asked(why ask in the 1st place when u got the answer)

When you know that is your stance, why try to force your stance down people's throat. That is selfishly unjust. Is this thread meant for you?

Islam › Re: Quran Says Bible Is A Book Of Reference For The Muslims by golpen(m): 12:28pm On Sep 21, 2013

@cleanvessel

I'll advice you to lightly deceive yourself. Imagine you are writing a textbook, lecturing me on what a revelation is, whereas you are locking yourself up at a corner.

Is a revelation supposed to be in a narrative manner?

Do you need a revelation to tell a story of what you are a witness?

Is luke's account of the events that happened a revelation also? Remember he gave those accounts because plenty others have done the same luke 1:1

If God speaks to you, then you own the message for yourself, but if God is speaking through you, it is never narrative. You speak those words in a state whereby you are semi conscious and so not speaking by yourself. That is the way each true scripture has been brought down to every true prophet, not in a narrative or storytelling manner like that of the bible.

I still maintain that those references made to those books in the bible and which are true can be made to by muslims, I agree. But the paulish quotes of deception and manipulations will be shut off.

Does the church abide with every rule of that revelation you talk about? All it does is manipulating the flock with the rod of civilisation. That is why your pastors wives will remain head over you because their family needs money, even when the bible asks all females to keep shut in your churches.

Deceive lightly yourselves I tell you.

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Islam › Re: Does Islam Condone Or Encourage Desecration Of Jesus(prophet Isah) by golpen(m): 7:20am On Sep 21, 2013

jpiliya: @mintayo
the Lord Jesus is your strenght.... I see you are doing a good hub here keep it up, to Gods glory.

You better go through that link too and help him from shying away from the various questions running through his mind, that which he won't dare ask here.

Islam › Re: Quran Says Bible Is A Book Of Reference For The Muslims by golpen(m): 10:42pm On Sep 20, 2013

cleanvessel: @ golpen

Everything you have said is only a product of your own thought, no authoritative backing.

You said the Bible contains some contents of Torah and Injeel but not the real them. What is your source?

According to Quran 3:113-115 -Not all of them are alike;a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right,they recite the Verses of Allah during the hours of the night,prostrating themselves in prayer.

With this, lanrexlan conluded the Scripture allah was referring Muhammad to was the one not thrown away or corrupted by the people. Unfortunately, allah did not make any distinction when he advised Muhammad to consult the Scripture (Bible) for confirmation. The fact that allah said not all the copies were corrupted or thrown away shows that the original is around. No islamic apologist has ever claimed he saw the true copies of the Torah and Injeel unless they will fabricate one tomorrow. Where is that true or original copies allah talked about if not the Bible? Until they are found, the Scripture (Bible) remains the Book allah said muslims should consult for what they know not.

allah knew Muhammad could have access to the true Torah and Injeel otherwise he would not advise him to confirm from them. By implication, allah is inconsistent by denying some contents of the Scripture he once approved.

I put it to you in a very strong term that the Scripture (Bible) is the Torah and Injeel and the true copies indeed as no one could find the fake anywhere.

You don't really need an authority to say 1+1=2. You can't debunk my claims of the structures of both scriptures and you claim its not authoritative.

Are you telling me the torah and injeel revelation came down in a narrative form like that of your bible?

According to Quran 3:113-115 -Not all of them are alike;a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right,they recite the Verses of Allah during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. Do you prostrate?

See, the fact is that a scripture from God is not narrative, but direct and that is why I said the very few hint of the torah aand injeel found in the bible is a review, not the original.

The torah was revealed to Moses and the injeel to Isah(Jesus), but we still find in the bible where people like luke had to give his own account of incidents, because several others have done the same luke 1:1. And what sense does that pass to you?

The point is that the few reliable ones we can find can be made reference to, but the paulish opinions will be shut off. And YES, we do make reference to the bible, but all you do is fight the same bible because of our references. you are not even abiding completely by the bible and you want us to (You better don't say this is not authoritative). Does that work in any way?

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Islam › Re: Does Islam Condone Or Encourage Desecration Of Jesus(prophet Isah) by golpen(m): 7:22pm On Sep 20, 2013

Mintayo: lolz...the link you gave me didnt answer the questions above,it only give rise to more questions!

I know it didn't answer the question and I never promised you an answer from the link. I only wanted you to have a feel of the prove, now you tell me it didn't make you think for a moment instead, you have more questions from what is as clearly comprehensible. I'm sure if I tell you yes, Muhammed (s a w) did speak high of Isah (a s) through the revelation given to him, you'll still ask questions.

You better stop deceiving yourself and go through that link with your bible at hand, maybe you'll understand more. then you can cook up your questions and let's see how light they are.

Islam › Re: Quran Says Bible Is A Book Of Reference For The Muslims by golpen(m): 6:49pm On Sep 20, 2013

Double posts please.

Islam › Re: Quran Says Bible Is A Book Of Reference For The Muslims by golpen(m): 6:42pm On Sep 20, 2013

The solution to the issue at hand here is looking into the structure of both books.

1. The bible is a collection of events and revelation from different people as witnesses and prophets, while the Qur'an is a complete revelation to just one prophet (Muhammad saw).

2. The bible is written in the third person singular (first person in cases of quotes though), while the Qur'an is wriiten in completely first person singular.

In view of these, like I have always put it, the bible is a compilation of references and reviews from the previous books (torah and the gospel), but not the real them, stories from different witnesses bringing forth contradictions and of course some fabrications to blend it up.

If Allah requests that references be made from the previous books;

1. The bible is not the book referred to as previous. The torah and injeel is not the bible, though the bible contains a little review of them.

2. The little review as it is in the bible can still be referred to, provided it is authentic from the several unsuitable parts.

That is why we can make references backing some islamic proofs from the bible, such as the coming of Muhammad (s a w), but what we get is our xtians fighting these proves in their own book.

Islam › Re: Quran Says Bible Is A Book Of Reference For The Muslims by golpen(m): 6:28pm On Sep 20, 2013

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Islam › Re: Does Islam Condone Or Encourage Desecration Of Jesus(prophet Isah) by golpen(m): 4:54pm On Sep 20, 2013

Mintayo: lols.
Most times,when i discuss this with many muslims,non of them have been sincere,not one!
You quote from John 16:13,what about 14 and 15.
I have discuss this with so many muslim in this section,and i can ssee that most of u guys dnt think for urselves in ur quest to input ur prophet in d Bible?
The question is:
Is mohammed a spirit?
Now lets look at John 16:14-15.
14. He shall glorify me, for he shall receieve of mine, and shall show it unto you.
From the above,let us ask:
1. Did mohammed glorified Jesus?
2. Did mohammed recieve anything from Jesus? What did he recieve from Jesus?
Now verse 15.
15. All things that the father hath are mine: therefore said I,He shall take of mine and show it unto you.
The question is:
1. What did Mohammed take from Jesus?
2. Did Mohammed claim that he recieved his revelation from Jesus?
.
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Interestingly,it is not only in the book of John that Jesus refer to the Holy Spirit as the promised comforter,but you people decided just not to see that!
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Now let me add to the question above...
1. Did the quran call mohammed the promised comforter promised by Jesus?
2. Or did the quran call Him the comforter at all?
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Jesus loves you!

I'm very busy to answer your questions myself here...but not to worry, I have tried to help you a bit here; www.islamicity.com/mosque/muhammad_bible.htm . Hope it helps.

Islam › Re: Contradictions, Inconsistencies And Errors In The Holy Qur'an? by golpen(m): 10:08pm On Sep 18, 2013

truthman2012: Thank you for your remarks. One's adversary cannot kill a fat animal.

Running away from me?

Yes!!!

truthman2012: Thank you for your remarks. One's adversary cannot kill a fat animal.

Running away from me?

Yes!!!

Islam › Re: Contradictions, Inconsistencies And Errors In The Holy Qur'an? by golpen(m): 6:58pm On Sep 18, 2013

truthman2012: golpen,

How are things. Quite some days.

Though lanrexlan has tried but there are still a lot of such that are indisputable but if posted, your almighty moderator will not allow it to stay. Or should I go ahead? Promise it will not be closed or deleted as usual.

That is the problem I foresee we'll have with you. Why can't you simply agree that you got your answer from him on that. Instead, you say he TRIED.

Secondly, I have studied you to be a lazy reader (though long posts are mostly too boring, I admit) therefore, I perceive your research level is very slow. All your claims are from your anti-islam sites, which means you won't be able to defend your claims, hence you'll always disagree on every point given.

In view of these, I'm not sure we need any of your points here. I'm sorry, thanks.

Islam › Re: A Priceless Quote From A Muslimah! by golpen(m): 6:39pm On Sep 18, 2013

tpia@:
Whats behind this insistence on tagging people kufar while showing them with non-muslims?

The woman in your picture just won a prize from the kufar and was pictured standing with someone who you would also term kufar, what exactly is your point?

You want to whip up sentiment against certain populations?

Your use of the term shows uncouthness imo.

I'm not sure you mean she should praise unclad acts because unclad people gave her a prize. Giving her a prize doesn't mean that they may be confused in their dressing senses.

It is no sentiment ma'am, but fact!!!

Islam › Re: A Priceless Quote From A Muslimah! by golpen(m): 6:31pm On Sep 18, 2013

omoh50: A Priceless Quote from a true muslima
Nobel Peace Prize winner mother of
Yemen's revolution,' when asked about her
Hijab by journalists and how it is not
proportionate with her level of intellect and
education, she replied:
“Man in early times was almost naked, and
as his intellect evolved he started wearing
clothes. What I am today and what I’m
wearing represents the highest level of
thought and civilization that man has
achieved, and is not regressive. It’s the
removal of clothes again that is a
regression back to the ancient times.''

What an excellent quote. the kufar are really confused!

Simple analogy... Ma sha Allah!!!

Islam › Re: Contradictions, Inconsistencies And Errors In The Holy Qur'an? by golpen(m): 6:15pm On Sep 18, 2013

truthman2012: @op

While I work on your post even though I have not gone through it yet, may I quickly add this ti your list of quran contradictions to get it answered along yours

[b]Noah and his household, saved or not saved?[/b]

YES

[Quran 21:76] And Noah, when he cried of old, We heard his prayer and saved[b] him and his household[/b] from the great affliction.

[Quran 37:75] And Noah verily prayed unto Us, and gracious was the Hearer of his prayer

[Quran 37:76] And We saved him and his household [/b]from the great distress,

[Quran 37:77] And made his seed the survivors,

[b]NO, HIS SON DROWNED

[Quran 11:42] And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son - and he was standing aloof - O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers.

[Quran 11:43] He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned.

Noah and his househouse hold, saved or not saved?

Sir truthman2012... I'm thinking that you've resumed from the break I asked you to take with the grand kids grin

truthman2012: @op

While I work on your post even though I have not gone through it yet, may I quickly add this ti your list of quran contradictions to get it answered along yours

[b]Noah and his household, saved or not saved?[/b]

YES

[Quran 21:76] And Noah, when he cried of old, We heard his prayer and saved[b] him and his household[/b] from the great affliction.

[Quran 37:75] And Noah verily prayed unto Us, and gracious was the Hearer of his prayer

[Quran 37:76] And We saved him and his household [/b]from the great distress,

[Quran 37:77] And made his seed the survivors,

[b]NO, HIS SON DROWNED

[Quran 11:42] And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son - and he was standing aloof - O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers.

[Quran 11:43] He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned.

Noah and his househouse hold, saved or not saved?

Sir truthman2012... I'm thinking that you've resumed from the break I asked you to take with the grand kids cheesy

... You are welcome anyway. Hope lanrexlan's answer is sufficient, so go and answer your own ray mcblue test and help your people instead of standing the risk of being called dubious by your approaches...

Islam › Re: Saudi Cleric Confirms Presence Of Virgins In Paradise!!!! by golpen(m): 3:14pm On Sep 18, 2013

I still always fail to understand why everything in islam is a problem to your souls...even if it is 320 virgins, what is your problem about that? No one is forcing 1000 virgins on you, but you are here relishing on the sensation with ironical expression. BTW, hypertension is real...

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Islam › Re: Contradictions, Inconsistencies And Errors In The Holy Qur'an? by golpen(m): 11:43pm On Sep 15, 2013

Ray McBlue: In a corporeal world, standing on the earth, the Sun seems to move, in fact, Quran actually believed that the Sun sets in a muddy spring.

Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the
traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…

That verse clearly proved that in the Quranic context, movement of the Sun(orbit) is very noticeable indeed and surely couldn't be the same one that science is talking about.

And please don't give me the symbolic representation crap.

The verse pitted the Moon and the Sun together in a 'floating orbit'. One can only assume that their respective orbits contrasted the other, thus causing day and night.

There you go using the infamous symbolic representation excuse! You might as well say that Allah wasn't being literal when he recorded that he created heaven and earth.

That is you owning up that the verse is scientifically incorrect, right?

Now you're making me to feel that your argument is based on your personal interpretation. If you call this a symbolic representation crap, then the earlier you agreed to was just a numerical summation crap too. I don't know how more to convince you, so I'd better be off on this particular case, if you keep making up some symbolic vocabulary on an issue simple english would have solved...thanks.

Islam › Re: Contradictions, Inconsistencies And Errors In The Holy Qur'an? by golpen(m): 7:19pm On Sep 15, 2013

Ray McBlue: Lol! I knew that, but it takes the Sun 225 million years to complete a full orbit, which makes it extremely slow. Not all astronomers agree with the theory, btw.

But according to the Quran, Sun and the moon's orbit causes day and night. Qurans remains wrong in that context.

1. Thank God you knew that and you're agreeing to the fact, but yes it is very slow. VERY SLOW still remains it does. If some astronomers don't agree to the theory, it scientifically renders it hypothetical which only first has to be confirmed in the scientific world. The Qur'an maintain its stance.

2. I'll like to deny that the Qur'an claims we have day and night because they orbit. According to your posts, your are assuming that stance because 'day and night' occurs concurrently with 'moon and sun' orbiting in many verses of the Qur'an... But this is it (my thought though)...

The Qur'an possesses several values, which includes the scientific (as you'd confirm @least in some areas) and poetic or do I call it literary...the occurrence of 'day and night' with that of 'moon and sun' is mostly as a satisfaction of the literary value portrait. Just like you hear in several limericks or lyrics; "wherever I GO, whatever I SEE". The two words 'go' and 'see' occur together mostly in the english literary genre but it doesn't mean that going always determines seeing.

Therefore, in the arabic context, which is the best point of view, it suits the literary portrait and not the scientific. Thanks.

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Islam › Re: Contradictions, Inconsistencies And Errors In The Holy Qur'an? by golpen(m): 5:23pm On Sep 15, 2013

Ray McBlue: Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night
outstrip the day. They float each in an
orbit.

The bold hinted on the possibility. According to the verse, Sun moves in a orbit, and since the moon, orbits around earth, one would then naturally assume that the Sun does the same, since the verse said "they float each in an orbit" translated in plain English as "they each move in their respective orbits" Scientifically it's incorrect. Sun doesn't orbit.

It rotates, but doesn't orbit.

I have heard a lot of Christians make excuses in similar nature as yours. It's known as allegory(a symbolic representation). They only use it when they are cornered. I would assume the same of you, until you come up with more intelligent explanation, thanks.

Exactly.

@ur 4st paragraph, I think you're wrong somewhere sire...the sun sure orbits, therefore the Qur'an is right. Please check www.universetoday.com/18028/sun-orbit/.

@d second, I wish explain more also, but let's see if I come up with a better way then I'll get back to you.

@3rd...exactly.

Islam › Re: Contradictions, Inconsistencies And Errors In The Holy Qur'an? by golpen(m): 2:23pm On Sep 15, 2013

Ray McBlue: Are you now equating your carpentry prowess with the confusions in those verses?

What's your point, really?

Islam › Re: Contradictions, Inconsistencies And Errors In The Holy Qur'an? by golpen(m): 2:22pm On Sep 15, 2013

Ray McBlue: Are you now equating your carpentry prowess with the confusions in those verses?

What's your point, really?

The point is his carpentry prowess is an illustration to the fact that all those verse you quoted still boils down to the facet that everything was within six days(periods).

1. The heavens and the earth was made in six days (periods). 10:3

2. The earth in two days (period). 41:9

3. Within four days(periods), HE had the earth, mountains, nourishment, blessings and all. 41:10

4. HE completed them (heavens), in two days(periods)

Summation of all makes six(6) days(periods)...thank you.

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Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by golpen(m): 11:30am On Sep 11, 2013

harmeenart: A question for my brothers
Can u marry a sister that is more knowledgable than you,islamically?

In fact, I'd better go for someone like that, but the problem is that ladies like that don't always want to marry a male with inferior knowledge. #dontknowwhy

Islam › Re: Does Islam Condone Or Encourage Desecration Of Jesus(prophet Isah) by golpen(m): 1:12pm On Sep 10, 2013

jpiliya: is christianity a standard for you to practice true islam? if christianity is a wrong religion why are you compareing it with islam? if (FALSE) christians practice juju and the rest is it a justification for you and muslims to behave in a similar manner? mind you am not compareing islam with christianity, christians also have their faults (in tonnes)...and here/now is NOT for comparison. suleiman and others acted in ignorance ..... many muslims today are deluded in such ignorance of the TRUE islamic teaches you can compare the ratio of ONE knowledgeable (principal) to MANY ignorant (students) what am saying is correcting these ills and many such will save people the misconceptions about islam

I don't want to start questioning your comprehensive capacity, but I already sensed that my style may be too complex for you to understand, therefore, I'll be simple this time.

I'm definitely not comparing christianity with islam, get what I'm putting across. If you agree with me that the same thing you accuse muslims of is also 'in tonnes' in christianity, then why has only the muslim case caught your fancy that much?. That is not even where I'm heading for, but I mean when a fellow christian has a fault, you attach the fault to the christian alone. Whereas, in a muslim's case, you are fast to crest the fault as islamic. We have worst pastors and even cannibalistic christians too, but no one has ever stigmatised christianity with their faults and that is hypocrisy.

Yes suleiman and others acted in ignorance and it has been corrected, any other way round is bigotic! And in fact, nothing practical can be done, no matter how frustration grips your heart.

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