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From dawahnigeria fb page...like them

Sometimes,
I want to open my Hijab,
and show the world
that I too,
Am beautiful in the people's definition.
But,
Deep down here,
in my little heart,
I know that beauty is by definition, a mystery.
And it is forever more rewarding,
to be beautiful in God's eyes.

Sometimes,
I want to wear ruffled dresses & tight jeans
show off what I really look like,
under those baggy shirts & loosely fitted pants
make a statement that I too have a figure and worth looking at.
But,
I know better,
to avoid entering the world of men's imagination,
for I love my future hubby
and I am ashamed,
what should be his, has already be unveiled by others.

Sometimes,
I want to show the world,
the other side of me,
the bubblier, bolder and crazier me,
put myself on display
for everyone to see, to be desired and admired upon.
But,
I know that eyes are not just eyes
seeing is not just seeing,
Image & Respect are gained,
Shame & Humility deserve a better place...

Copied from Abdusalam Hiqmat Kehinde
August 14, 2013

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Alhamdulillah, ALLAH that owns HIS religion has been holding it up high and will never make it fall. Despite that muslims are being maltreated all over the world, despite their sleepless nights and daily plots against islam and muslims, it is still the fastest growing. The funny thing is that, brothers tarek and nabil's cases must have driven someone to find out the truth about islam.

May ALLAH come to the aid of muslims.

I just feel our true2God is just the roadside islam hater. He doesn't really understand more than what there pastors and the wives tell them at church. I'll suppose he doesn't even know where to start, if he takes up the challenge. Maybe his more sophisticated brothers like truthman2012, cleanvessel and all should join hands.

Oga betathings...pls soffry soffry o...

This guy is just one of our banister's brothers who always talk about what they hear. He has no knowledge of what he is saying, yet you bombard him with all these. I think its too much for him anyway, but I wonder what one. - who knows nothing about how islam got to the northern nigeria and yet speaks so ignorantly despite the google and other ORIJOs at his disposla - has to say to defend himself here.

Let's see what he has for us anyway.

I still cannot fathom out why non-muslims cannot keep to their medal winning faiths. In short, every muslim activities stretches the hairs on their skins like that of a porcupine. And yet they claim they don't see islam pursuing them in their dreams. When has the world turned to a christian activist fighting for muslim women to participate in sports. It is just a display of the hate abundance of their hearts, so their mouths speak nonsense...

SMH...

It seems true2God is becoming something else, like lies2satan or something. The problem with most of them is that they don't know a bit about what they antagonise.

I just pray you won't let the cat out of the bag, at the pace we're moving.

Islam did not reach the northern Nigeria through usman dan fodio. The existence of islam has been in documentation in hausa land since the 9th century, and then became a major religion during the time of mai idris aloma in the 15-16th centuries. The usman dan fodio you talk about came about in the early 19th century, so you need to go back to your school books.

The crux behind the warfare you talked about has been explained by @betathings.

BTW, when you go through your searches of how islam was truly propagated, pls read about how christianity treated people by killing and molesting them while propagating. We may help with some references too.

Moh was a pedo:
Why on earth is this topic in Islam section? Its not even Islam, it's a general religious topic so why was it moved here? To hide pro christian comments or hide the truth about islam?

So this is what Islam is about? Kwo? Suppressing free speech and forcing non muslims to respect them?
The hatred I have for you muslims no get mate, inshort I pity any Muslim that falls into my trap at work today.
That person will get it from me.

I don't want to start by questioning your reasoning this morning because the OP is not muslim, so you'll love to question his illicit post here and his intention.

I'm very sure you don't know what islam is about. We've had enough of you the likes of banister, who don't have the slightest idea of the islam they antagonise, so you'd better keep to yourself.

I hate it when you peoplae speak about your frustration about islam and paint it as hatred. You are definitrly not GOD who owns the lives of the muslims at your workplace, so they can't get anything from you without HIS permission.

Mintayo: please tell me i beg thee what is there in islam to be jealous of? What is it that you people have or do that i need to be jealous of?

How would I know...but I know that you're jealous of what gets you stuck here and keeps you posting non stop your hate fabrications and hoaxes. I got to know all of you thanks to the islam section, even when you're not required to be found here.

I use to pity all these sheeps of christendom...what I've com to realise is that these sheeps just follow ignorantly, the sheperds as they flock them on their street of personal greed. One will notice that if all these ones that come to argue and display their stark ignorance on NL know a quarter of what their pastors know about christianity, there would have been a massive revolution in the christian world. But the sheperds have skillfully hypnotised the thinking of the sheeps, by picking out of the doctrines, the ones that are found suitable and blends with modern civilisation. But some christians have started stabbing tithes anyway.

But some things are just natural, like it is natural that darkness can never overcome light. What else do you expect from our christian neighbours (when to the fright and dilemma of the church, these hoaxes have been skillfully fabricated), than to gleefully accept without making findings, as their only way to remain in a fantasy and lust of remaining heavily blindfolded in a religion that has always put a lot of doubts in their minds when once in a blue moon they come to think of the reality.

Don't be surprised that the likes of mintayo, cleanvessel, truthman2012(nextpart), thehomer, pointblank and their likes may not be able to sleep at night because of the insomnia islam and their maths of antagonising it must have left behind. But just in the midst of their hateful plots, they must have found something so appealling about islam, but jealousy of the fact that they don't possess such in their religion will also try to work on them, hence their catalystic moves in spreading these falsities without noticing that God's wrath watches from above.

Evidence; they always claim they don't think about islam one bit, but I wonder if they can think of feeding their kids when they type aggressively on the islam section of NL, that clearly states that is for purely muslims.

kunmibola: Brother, J.k. So far, so good, the references are I have in Ibadan is the Arisekola Mosque hence, I agree with you that the mosque will be rowdy. I think I will go for the one you are used to. Is there a particular amount if money I am to pay? Sir, kindly share your experience and the address.

You are not to pay any amount o...just make sure you resume early so that you get a suitable space and mattress (provided by the mosque) for yourself. I don't know their plans for this year, but there's always provision for food. You may just make some preparations on your own, in case the food provided does not suit you. That's all, then your normal clothes and cosmetics.

kunmibola: Salam Alekum, brothers and sisters.

In my quest for more knowledge and a sound spiritual life, I wish to embark on I'tikaf this ramadhan even if its for the last three days. Being the first time, I dont know any mosque around my area where I can go and that's where the first challenge comes in. I am presently in Ibadan, can anyone who knows a place kindly help me out? I wouldn't mind even if its in Lagos, Oyo town or anywhere close to Ibadan. Also, what am I going to need as I embark on this spiritual sojourn? Expecting your swift responses!

I also live in ibadan...there are plenty mosques where you can do itikaf in ibadan...there's arisekola mosque in iwo rd though its always too rowdy there, there's kuliyatu-l-imam malik in olunloyo rd (I always have mine there also) but I don't think I'll be in for this year's, but I'll recommend you do it there. You'll enjoy it insha Allah. If you want me to describe the place for you, you may tell me where you'll be coming from.

alexis: golpen



Learn to debate the points not go in circles. No one is claiming victory over anyone. This is an open forum, I live, I learn.



Who brought up Henry Okah? Wasn't it you? Since you can't refute that, you are jumping to Rev, King? Who is next - Jesus? You are shameless



Dude, stop playing pretend. You and I know Henry Okah is a political thing - no doubt about that. If Boko Haram was politically, why are they claiming it is religious? Why are they telling Christians to leave Northern Nigeria? Why are they bombing churches? Please give me some reference to Rev. King, it's my 1st time hearing about this.



This is a public forum, you had the choice not to respond, you did. Just the same way I am responding to you. You can decide to either answer or keep going around in circles like you have.



. Poked ya head huh? History is not your friend mate - the violence that runs through your Quran and Hadith from the 7th century is still spilling over in the 21st century. If it's not Sunnis killing Shias everyday in Iraq, it's your brothers up North burning and bombing churches. Later, you would open your mouth and talk about violence in Christianity.

If it's not Henry Okah, it will be Obama next

I've responded according to your paragraphs.


1. My introduction is now your problem right?

2. Isn't henry okah a christian? You could go round him because his case is not as religiously shielded as rev. King... Why don't you react to rev. King's case?

3. The same reason is why rev. King has turned his church members into intimacy gadgets, engaging them in abortion and still burns them up as a punishment for fornication. Imagine I'm conversing with you who is leaving in a world of your own. And that is why your thinking is so shallow. Anyway, this should help you think straight a bit;

http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/latest-addition/196318-rev-king-sentenced-to-death-for-setting-church-members-ablaze-moved-to-katsina-prison.html

After reading this, your doctor should have an easy task running a scan on your thinking department.

4. Here I'm so sure truthman himself is watching, in disappointment, the way at which you spit out your stark ignorance. We have met several times, hence his acknowledgement of my style of writing and I do appreciate his also, and he fully understands when I refuse to react to his plights.

5. Who is your mate? ...you heva a myopic cerebral capacity and you think we're mates. You don't even know about rev. King and you're talking of history. But wait, let me refer you to Napolleon Hill, so that you'll have a dose of the filthy terrorist history your religion possesses;

"When the armies of the prophet entered Jerusalem not a single person was killed because of his faith. When the crusaders entered the city, centuries later, not a Moslem man, woman, or child was spared. But the Christians did accept one Moslem idea - the place of learning, the university." - this is coined from his famous book, 'think and grow rich" you'll find it in the last section of chapter 9 (perseverance), tagged "the last great prophet"

Saying you've poked my head is confirming my prediction of assigning to yourself, victory.

Lol...seriously I can't even think of it o.. I'll get hypertension as early as the third match.

alexis: So, boko haram are buddist now? or they are chinese? Your confusion with Henry Okah is the difference between politics and religion - In Islam, it's a thin line. So, Henry Okah told you what he was doing was because he wanted to establish a Christian state in Nigeria abi? or because Jesus told him to drive muslims from the south-south abi? Your ignorance is laughable

It never cease to amaze me how some muslims turn 360 degrees when they are confronted with simple questions about their faith. OP started a thread and asked some questions, you DECIDED not to answer because you viewed it as an argument. You refuted his questions by accusing him that his Bible is not perfect and there are mistakes so he shouldn't point out contradictions in your Quran. How does that refute the questions he asked?

Can't you refute his statement independently? Can't the Isalm stand on it's own without drawing the Bible into it?

Firstly, I should tell you about my discomfort in responding to this post of yours because I already forgot about this thread, however, I'm respondong because I know how disappointed you'll feel if you don't get a reply from me and soon I'm sure you'll start assigning victories to yourself and your baseless points.

So it is only henry okah's case that caught your fancy right? And you likes couldn't help you on that of rev. King's. Wasn't he burning people heartlessly in the name of jesus? Maybe you should swallow this before seeing your dr;

Muslims have always tried to explain to you that BH is rather as political as henry okah, niger-delta or rev. King. Just as rev. King kills for his personal political purpose using christianity, niger-delta kidnapping and causing several havocs for their own political purposes, so is BH, who have been recorded to have killed more muslims!!! But you don't want to listen because of your political hate. Hasn't plateau state declared itself a xtian state?

Why should your OP ask me a question when he is not done with tackling not even the simplest of his own scripture. If a person is to give you a cloth, the first advisable is that you check that which he has on him.

So here, your own ignorance is not laughable, but rather pathetic!

udatso: @truthman2012. When i posted this, i didnt do it for you cause i know you would never understtand..i posted it for others who would come here thinkng you have a point. And also you have a habit of creating other threads either in christianity or other sections informing others who might not know of this thread how you defeated the muslims and they couldnt come up with replies..by Allah who created me, i can reply to your rebuttals one by one but where does it lead to..? It leads to further arguments and arguments and arguments and am tired of arguing with someone who finds it difficult/ to understand 1+ 1 = 2. What am stil not sure of is IF YO CONSCIOUSLY REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND THESE EXPLANATIONS OR UNCONSCIOUSLY REFUTE THEM....i dont even know what to think of you anymore....may Allah guide you to the right path

You have really tried jare my brother...what I've been able to deduce is that this man comes to NL/islam section when his grand kids have gone on holidays, so he's mostly less busy, looking for what to do.

May Allah please perfect your deen for you and increase you in knowledge....

truthman2012: The truth remains that you and your friends in faith could not refute the contradictions in allah's revelations. This is just a few among the so many. Some have given it a try though failed but you could not at all and funny enough, you have talked more than them all yet failed to make an attempt.

I think I got you there!!!

Baaaabaaaa!!!! The truth remains all you want is an argument which I'm not ready to let you have. I've talked most because you always expect me to, when you respond, I enjoyed it though and that is what I'll rather call a conversation. Thanks for the conversation, but I don't need to give your question a try.

truthman2012: Why do I have to take a break when there are soo many unanswered questions in islam? Look at this particular thread, which you are dodging and after a few weeks later you will say there were well deserved answers I have got. Tell me what are the answers?

Everyone should be concerned about the religious affairs going on around him. If islam never existed in Nigeria, we would not have Boko Haram. We once had Maitasine and many other dangerous islamic sects killing the innocent. Are those not serious problems? Why should anyone sleep when there is fire in the house roof?

I wonder why you talked about Jesus cursing a tree. Of what importance is a tree that you have so much mercy for it and have no mercy for millions of human lives wasted by Muhammad?

Sire, you will never get an answer if your mind is not opened to get one (you know that is the fact). 1+1 will never be equal to 2 if the student does not have the mind to learn. You have always gotten deserved answers from us muslims, but I don't know when you expect to get a cooked soup when you're always condemning the firewood.

Hmmm...Is that true that islam is the cause of boko haram? If you want me to agree with you over that, you need to tell me that henry okah (the eagle square bomber) is an imam and also prove to me that king was an alhaji, not a reverend. If you can't, then you should accept that we wouldn't have had such terrorist act and other related, if there wasn't christianity.

About the tree issue...you have started your christian-like deception of quoting out of context. But I'll help you incase you can't still understand simple idiom like some people have once suspected. I mean 'of what use was the tree when it couldn't bear fruits?', so likewise, of what need is my presenting you answers, it is certain that they are never enough for you?. You still need to read your bible with clear understanding, before coming on NL with your conspiracy plots.

Goal keeper;
Ali al-absi

Defenders;
Kolo toure
Khalid boulahrouz
Eric abidal
Taiye taiwo

Midfielders;
Samir masri
Yaya toure
Frank ribery
Mesut ozil

Strikers;
Papiss cisse
Karim benzema

Bench;
Nicolas anelka
Frederic kanoute
Artem ben arfa
Mohammed sissoko
El-hadji diouf
Demba ba

Coach;
Phillip trousier

truthman2012: There is no fault in the bible. I have explained to you but you pretended as if you didn't understand.

Remember you have said nothing to defend these particular contradictions. I'm sure you wouldn't have forgotten what happened in my thread "Contradictions In Quran (Part 1)". You also would remember what happened in Part 2 before it was quickly deleted to avoid creating uproar in islam. I wonder why you still can say am antagonizing a faultless scripture, when infact there are volumes of fault in the revelations of allah.

Finally if you are not ready to tell me and other readers why allah kept chainging his words after he had boasted that his words cannot change, I put it to you that allah is not the true God, the owner of heaven.

Thank you.

There is no fault in the bible, only human errors. You seem not to understand your own self on this. Not too good for you anyway.

I don't need to try to explain to a mind that is not willing to get explanation. Haven't you ever thought of why Jesus christ cursed that fig tree?, it refused to bear fruits!!! What happened on your thread "contradictions in the Quran?" Cannot be judged by you. We have the readers to do their personal conclusions. However, we may have bias views from both sides, but a rational mind would have been able to deduce that you got a well served explanation.

I, Just like Jesus christ in the bible, will not sit under the fig tree that has refused to bear fruits. I'll rather leave you with your opinion and stick to mine. Buh wait; don't you think you should take a break from calling a thread that is supposed to b only for muslims?

truthman2012: There is no fault in the bible. I have explained to you but you pretended as if you didn't understand.

Remember you have said nothing to defend these particular contradictions. I'm sure you wouldn't have forgotten what happened in my thread "Contradictions In Quran (Part 1)". You also would remember what happened in Part 2 before it was quickly deleted to avoid creating uproar in islam. I wonder why you still can say am antagonizing a faultless scripture, when infact there are volumes of fault in the revelations of allah.

Finally if you are not ready to tell me and other readers why allah kept chainging his words after he had boasted that his words cannot change, I put it to you that allah is not the true God, the owner of heaven.

Thank you.

There is no fault in the bible, only human errors. You seem not to understand your own self on this. Not too good for you anyway.

I don't need to try to explain to a mind that is not willing to get explanation. Haven't you ever thought of why Jesus christ cursed that fig tree?, it refused to bear fruits!!! What happened on your thread "contradictions in the Quran?" Cannot be judged by you. We have the readers to do their personal conclusions. However, we may have bias views from both sides, but a rational mind would have been able to deduce that you got a well served explanation.

I, Just like Jesus christ in the bible, will not sit under the fig tree that has refused to bear fruits. I'll rather leave you with your opinion and stick to mine. Buh wait; don't you think you should take a break from calling a thread that is supposed to b only for muslims?

It is said that Mesut ozil confirms christiano ronaldo always wait because he loves to watch him pray in the living room and ronaldo himself confirms he has started to memorise al-fatiha . If truely so, We pray ALLAH makes it easy for him and makes him an inspiring muslim.

Not sure of the validity of this news o...astagfurllah!!!

http://thisislarkin..com/2013/03/christiano-ronaldo-reciting-quran.html

truthman2012: Then let us go back to the issue at hand. If you have anything against the bible, open a thread for discussion. I will not ignore it as you are doing.

By implication you have accepted that allah was inconsistent, which is not expected of the TRUE God.

You appear to be the most intelligent among the muslims I have been discussing with on NL. Keep it up but for the true God so that your labour will not be in vain. Get your name removed from the list of those destined for hell.

Thank you.

Why do I need to open a thread discussing the bible's dilemma, when you have already agreed with me that there are thousands of faults therein. Do you expect me to waste my time while you give me cock and bull stories of presenting horses as gifts for king james? I'm sure you don't even want me to do that.

The thing is; I don't find christianity as a match for islam but still, your religion is for you and mine for me. It is you that should keep your mind off your hatred for the muslims and islam, antagonising a faultless scripture. It will never help you improve. Read your pickthall translation with the footnotes and references, ask your questions with a rational mind and pray (even in your christian way) that, that true GOD you crave shows you the way. I'm sure HE will

Thanks for the compliments sire.

truthman2012: Please note the following:

1. And God said........... Such are words coming directly from God Himself.

2. Thus saith the Lord....... Such are words from God's prophets as received from God being relayed to the to the people.


3. And David or Jerimiah or Joel said........ Such are words from individuals (prophets or anybody) narrating an event, which might differ from one another.

The no. 3 is where the bible critics dwell wrongly. If an individual said something in his personal capacity and it differs from the opinion of another also in his personal capacity, do you blame God for that? Are they not humans?

Apart from that most of what you people term contradictions are not but due to ignorance. I think I have taken time to explain some of them you brought up as contractions before. Isn't that true?

But the quran that is said to be the revealed words of allah is expected to be errors and contraditions free. We do not expected God to make mistakes or commit blunders. Isn't it?

I should acknowledge that your writings are fine and your explanations understandable. But unfortunately, they do not just answer my questions. For example, what have you said to defend the contradictions highlighted in this thread so far? You only said you are not ready for argument but did not stop talking. What is your talking about if not argument. You don't intend to drink palmwine but would not remove your hand from the keg (just a Yoruba proverb).

And seriously I think @mintayo deserves this explanation of yours.

And I should appreciate the fact that you are proverbially conscious. Your points 1 and 2 clearly means that God is being reported, and if you agree that human are fallible, then that is called 'oro okeere'- a reported speech which is either exaggerated or relegated.

And besides, a worthy scripture revealed by a true GOD should not be contaminated by the fallible and indecent statements of men. GOD is so filthless than that.

truthman2012: Please note the following:

1. And God said........... Such are words coming directly from God Himself.

2. Thus saith the Lord....... Such are words from God's prophets as received from God being relayed to the to the people.


3. And David or Jerimiah or Joel said........ Such are words from individuals (prophets or anybody) narrating an event, which might differ from one another.

The no. 3 is where the bible critics dwell wrongly. If an individual said something in his personal capacity and it differs from the opinion of another also in his personal capacity, do you blame God for that? Are they not humans?

Apart from that most of what you people term contradictions are not but due to ignorance. I think I have taken time to explain some of them you brought up as contractions before. Isn't that true?

But the quran that is said to be the revealed words of allah is expected to be errors and contraditions free. We do not expected God to make mistakes or commit blunders. Isn't it?

I should acknowledge that your writings are fine and your explanations understandable. But unfortunately, they do not just answer my questions. For example, what have you said to defend the contradictions highlighted in this thread so far? You only said you are not ready for argument but did not stop talking. What is your talking about if not argument. You don't intend to drink palmwine but would not remove your hand from the keg (just a Yoruba proverb).

Like this time, I'm not in for any arguments with you. And that is what you christians lack. Simple understanding. Have I ever argued on this thread like I said? hopefully I think you quote me expecting a reply and Thanks for acknowledging my writings.

You have not sire...I'm still fresh enough to remember you agreed they were human errors. The explanation you gave about "women keeping silent in churches" with the verses you tried to bring up to back your wife's license still deeps you in the hot tea of the contradictions of the bible your bible revisers are yet to reconcile.

udatso: I just love the way you handle truthman, mintayo and their likes. May Allah(SWT) reward you abundantly for your jihad...you have given them explanations but they never came here for explanations....so when people argue with jahl and karh, you let them be. Tnx brother...Ramadan kareem

May ALLAH increase you in knowledge and help strengthen your deen too my brother. It is not their fault, its just that they can't help but to come here and blabber about their lustful ignorance. Imagine truthman saying he gave away horses, which accounts for the contradicting figures refering to the same incident. Very ridiculous of him.

Anyway, let's enjoy the rest of our ramadan in fruithful ibadah to ALLAH...may HE accept it 4rm us. ramadan mubarakun my brother.

truthman2012: While the human errors in the bible are pardonable because man is fallible, the errors in the quran are not because God is not expected to make any one. It goes to prove the quran is not the word of the true God as muslims claim. Satan is not a perfect being.

The little differences in men's figures in the Bible have nothing to do with salvation. Solomon said ten horses and David said five for example. How material is that to salvation? As at the time 10 horses became 5, how are we sure 5 had not died or given out as gifts as the statement were not made the same year, they were made many years apart.

With the plentiful of the human errors you've agreed with me that are contained in the bible, will you call the bible the words of the true GOD?... Definitely perfection cannot blend in any way with imperfection.

You will never get any explanation from me because you are not willing to learn. You want endless argument. But with me is the explanations I understand and with you are the faults you've agreed are true. So what's your claim.

...yes I think I forgot was king james' birthday, so they gave him some horses. But then, what about the age of joaichin? maybe he gave that out to a younger soul too. You better stop fooling yourself with your handicapped excuses. The bible refers to the same incident and the same time, yet we have the differences in the figures and people. Read your bible very well sire.

Mintayo: sorry dude,that is ur own fabrication@d bolded!

... You didn't mean to make me laugh did you? Maybe you didn't read truthman2012 trying to defend his confirmation on this thread again. Don't dump your eyes off when next you visit NL.

The thing is; we muslims can still give you genuine explanations for what you have deliberately misconcepted about the quran, only you have deliberately don't want to understand. But before you argue with us here, maybe you should iron out with @truthman2012 fisrt, on his own view, agreeing that they are human errors and should be pardonable.

cleanvessel: Nobody is attempting this thing again na.

The muslims pride themselves in quran being the only revealed words of allah. Why is the book full of contradictions and errors, so much so that allah had to be changing and replacing the revelation? Is that the Omniscient God? Keep thinking!!

Thanks. But I remember your brother truthman2012 accepting that the ones in the bible are human errors that have crept their ways into GOD's scriptures. Go find a solution to your own dilemma first, before accusing others.

Paschal007: Lol, thou shall not judge where does it come in here? The right thing to do i guess is to find out why he wants to convert, is there something in Christianity he doesn't understand (if he's a Christian), whats attracting him to Islam, is he just trolling? Rather than blackmailing him with hellfire. Kinda sounds lame.

@golpen update us na.

...ur mouthed!

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truthman2012: Is that your explanation to the contradictory and conflicting quranic verses?

You don't want an explanation...you want an argument and I'm not in for that. Please read the references on your pickthall.