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nlMediator:
I may be mistaken, but were you not the guy that asked that pidgin not be spoken to you because you're not Nigerian? You know of and use Gbam, huh?

Forget this guy jare! I know who he really is. Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha

They should keep on deceiving themselves

nlMediator:
Thank you, jare. It is sad that some people that call themselves Christians don't know this simple truth. I didn't have the strength to do the bobo's homework for him. Sadder still because this guy claimed to have attended Sprit-filled churches for years until he was shown the door by one last year or so.

[quote author=WinsomeX post=27741911]

And what he stated was not an experience? An experience he chose not to speak about? I think you should just allow the discussion to continue while you observe. You really don't have to talk.

You know how to evade when being scrutinised.

What are you taking about? I do not have the right to quote another monicker? You want me to tell you whether DrummaBoy is WinsomeX? I have told you before I have no comments on monickers. You and your friends may continue to seek to find the mystery behind those monickers. Hope the mystery is solved some day. I wish you all the best. If I were you, I will devote my time to something more worthwhile.

Honesty bro! That's the back bone of our discussions.

I can understand vook being the new shedemidemi, but, not what you're trying to do.

Cheers

WinsomeX:
You said the Holy Spirit came to replace Jesus. I said no. You said this dispensation is the dispensation of the Spirit and I said no it isn't.

DrummaBoy had pasted an article where he made it clear that the Christian devotion was to Christ and not to the Spirit. A point he believes was drawn home by the Spirit being mentioned once on Colossians. He said that the over emphasis on the Spirit is the root of errors by groups like the Pentecostals that leads them into mysticism. Even at that he made it clear that he was not belittling the Holy Spirit only stating that Christians should lay the right emphasis.

You refuted this position by saying that the Holy Spirit has come to replace Christ and I made it clear to you that that is error because the gospel we preach is the Gospel of Jesus Christ and not of the Spirit and our devotion is to Christ and not the Spirit.

Apparently when the error of your initial position downed on you, you have now helped us with your "in that sense statement" below. But the fact remains that the root of so much errors in the church, especially Pentecostals, is mysticism that arises from an emphasis on the Spirit that scripture does not teach. If however it is in this "sense" you mean that the Spirit "replaced" Christ in us, we are on the same page then.





I am not "attacking" anyone. If that's how your simple mind sees it, then mature in thinking. I just told your "boy" the facts I am defending here.

Also, my Christian life is not experience based. I don't count them as things to recount to anyone. They are personal and yes I will keep them closeted. You could as well ask Paul why he kept his closeted too.

2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

And as to your counsel to seek a "deeper Christian life", thank you but no thanks. Go and find out the beginning of all errors in all religion. It was always because the simplicity of Christ was not enough for them and while seeking "deeper life" they encountered demons. I don't need it. I am complete in Christ - the message of epistle to the Colossians.

Bobo, you quoted out of context. Paul was speaking of another realm, a level you get in Christ, and God just have to take you away. Paul was saying that he was caught up to paradise and heard things so astounding that they cannot be expressed in words, things no human is allowed to tell. He wasn't closething anything as you infer, Paul gave his life's experiences in almost all his letters. The fact he wrote the experience of being caught up doesn’t look like closeting , does it?

Stop calling DB here, stop trying to preach truthfulness while you are far from it in deeds. Thanks

nlMediator:
You guys are so comfortable with lying. Raises questions about who you fellowship with more: the father of lies or the Father of life? Can you point to just ONE place in almost 70 years of ministry where Hagin claimed to be an apostle?

BBG, please respond or we will know for certain you peddle lies

The Epistles Of Christ In Flesh · Wednesday, November 5th

Pastor Chris

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever (1 Peter 1:23).

The man in Christ is born of the Word of God. That makes him an offspring of the Word. James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." God gave birth to you by the Word of truth, as the first and the best of everything He made. It’s so important that you’re aware, and walk in the consciousness of your status in Christ.

Now, since Jesus is the Word of God in flesh, it means you’re also the Word of God in flesh. 2 Corinthians 3:2-3 says, "Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men. Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart."

Did you see that? You’ve been manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ. The epistle of Christ is the Word of Christ—the Word of God.

Therefore, you’re the epistle of Christ in flesh; which means you’re the Word of God in flesh. This is the revelation of the new creation! This is the revelation of true Christianity! True Christianity is the out-working of the Word in you. When you talk, it’s the Word; when you act, it’s the Word. Your life is the revelation of the Word.

Recall part of what we read: we’re manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ, known and read of all men. Meaning that, as they look at us, they literally can read the Word of God. No wonder we’re the effulgence of His glory, the manifestation of His righteousness. When we show up, Christ shows up. As He is, so are we in this world. We make manifest the savour of His knowledge, wisdom, grace and power, in every place. Blessed Be God!

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for making me your living epistle, known and read by all men. My life is the revelation of your Word; your knowledge, grace, power, wisdom and righteousness are unveiled in, and through, me, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
1 John 4:17;
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

2 Corinthians 2:14
Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

1 year Bible reading plan: Hebrews 4:14-5:1-10 Jeremiah 44-47
2 year Bible reading plan: 1 Peter 3:1-12 Ezekiel 36

BabaGnoni:
The facts and truths are "Holy Ghost laughter" is nothing more than just glorified "Laughter yoga"
- an exercise done in groups, involving making faces, sticking out tongues, prolonged voluntary laughter, and where feigned/forced/suggestive laughter soon turns into real and contagious laughter.

Otherwise, it then is something else worse, sinister and darkening, on par with Kundalini.

"Baba", been an Apostle as he claimed he was, had prophesied (i.e. this is captured on video) that God promised Him that a new wave of special anointing will sweep across the country and the world beyond

Since then, "Baba" had been trying to validate this prophecy, with the occasional attempts of laughing in Pastors meetings at his Tulsa base,
this is all long before Rodney Howard Brown came on the scene.

The "finale" video which you conveniently left out, is where "Baba" said it is the first time they experienced the FULL manisfestation of the laughing anointing (i.e. all other incidents or videos prior the finale video were warm ups)

How is this not ridiculing what you know nothing of?

WinsomeX:
Since you responded to only two of all the issues I spoke on, I would assume that you have no other queries with the others.



You said the Holy Spirit will be Christ's replacement. You have however modified replacement with "somebody like Jesus that will be in His place among the believers" - drawing closer to my own position that the Holy Spirit is our helper and called to a duty and not necessarily the center of our devotion as Christians. You may supply the original Greek meaning of the word Comforter but I am sure they will not be too far from these. And non of them is anything close to REPLACEMENT.

John 14:16
KJV:And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

ESV:And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,

NIV:And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

AMP:And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby), that He may remain with you forever—

Comforter: helper, advocate, counsellor, intercessor, strengthener, standby.

Which of these is close to REPLACEMENT? I do not believe that the meaning of the word comforter should be "somebody like Jesus to take his place among Christians"; I would however accept "somebody like Jesus who will help the believer to be What Christ will have us be".

I insist that the Spirit is not to take the place of Christ in Christian devotion but to help the believer in his devotion to Christ. There is a lot of difference here.



I have spiritual experiences. I don't have experiences of Spirit laughter and I am not ridiculing it; I am stating a fact and truth, regardless of how you see it.

I referred you to 2 Cor 12, and I am sure you missed the point. Paul had a spiritual experience; a valid one. Rather than flaunt it around and use it as basis of his teaching, he made it clear that he could not tell the things he heard or experienced. That's a proof of legitimate Christian experiences. They are not means to legitimize doctrine (eg: Jesus appeared to me and said Christians should...); they are personal experiences that aid personal devotion to God. The moment experiences become something you share on nl, know that there is more of self glorification in it and God's Spirit never authors such.

If however you can tell that I do not have these experiences, you must be omniscient then.

You ridiculed it, What facts and truths did you state?

Well, glad to be back! Who missed me?

vooks:
I [s]salute the fact that for once you have quoted something other than Oyaks puke. That's Darwinian evolution unraveling before our eyes

Gill is not here to answer me so I can't debate that yet their comments on that verse involve some serious conjecture.If commentators want to fantasize Jesus in the wilderness having some quiet times with snakes and wild dogs, they are entitled to that, just realize there is NO evidence and this is pure conjecture. He was in the wilderness away from man. John was away for years and this may suggest that there is NOTHING in that verse beyond telling us there were wild animals there.

Candour has in very many words called you a m.oron for thinking that only pain from a bite could have prompted his reaction. Are you telling us that had he not been bitten he would have watched the snake dance on his hand through out the night?

And Lobeez reminded you that a snake bite is an injury on itself. having needle-like fangs one inch in your flesh is painful. Scriptures say he was unharmed

Acts 28:5 (KJV)
5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm

Paul's reaction to a serpent on his hand is no different from David killing bears and lions; self defence. It is precisely the same reason Oyaks has bodyguards and drives an armored ride. He is too important to die unlike useless sheeple like yourself [/s]

Quit the sidestepping. What prompted Paul to shake off the viper? Was Paul scared or in Pain? You said self defense? Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha

Self defense means the snake was attacking, no? You don catch yourself by yourself. Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha

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Work waiteth for me. See you in some hours time

BabaGnoni:
^^^
https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical/42#27701533
BabaGnoni: 9:48pm On Nov 03
https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical/42#27701542
BabaGnoni: 9:48pm On Nov 03

Are you dreaming Gombs?
- Sarcasm doesn't suit you. Leave it for the pros

Oh! Stealth mode now? Heheheheheh, who wouldn't after some disastrous campaign?

BabaGnoni:
^^^
Are you immuned to recognising sarcasm?
- Everyone does except you. Would have thought once bitten, twice shy by now

Hello BBG

Back from your sabbatical?

vooks:
Now,
I have never read that verse before. Thank you kid

I know, was trying to help your comprehension skills, if any! Now, let's read what your favourite Gills wrote:

and was with the wild beasts: which shows, that he was now in an uncultivated and uninhabited part of the desert by men, and where only the most fierce and most savage of creatures dwelt; and yet was as secure and unhurt by them, being the Lord of them, as Adam in Eden's garden, or Daniel in the lions' den.

This circumstance is only related by the Evangelist Mark, and is what adds to the uncomfortable situation Christ was in, when tempted by Satan; and his being not hurt by them, may declare, partly his innocence, as man, being as pure and holy as the first man was in his state of integrity, when all creatures were brought before him, to give them names; [size=20pt]and partly the power of God, who shut up the mouths of these creatures, [/size]that they did him no hurt; and also may signify, the awe they stood in of him, who, as God, is Lord of all. These creatures were more gentle to Christ, and used him better than the wicked Jews, among whom he dwelt, who are compared to lions, dogs, and "bulls" of Bashan, Psalm 22:12.

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/mark/1.htm

Now from the above enlarged, Paul has the Spirit of God, and the nature of the Second Adam, why then did he shake off into the fire a snake that was just hugging his hand? Was he scared? Or in pain?

vooks:
Luke 1:80 King James Version (KJV)
80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.

No wahala!

For forty wilderness days and nights he was tested by Satan. Wild animals were his companions, and angels took care of him.

vooks:
Negro,
What part of this is 'exercised dominion over wild animals'?
he is in the wilderness, animals are in the wilderness, he is with wild animals.
John the Baptist too was in the wilderness for far much longer than Jesus' forty days

Puny brains overheating
You are only good for making sandwiches from Oyaks vomit

No problem

[NLT] Mark 1:13 where he was tempted by Satan for forty days. He was out among the wild animals, and angels took care of him.

vooks:
I don't know if He ever did. If He 'exercised dominion over wild animals' please share the verse(s)

Now, that wasn't hard, was it?

Now you are about to know he did. You can see that he as the second Adam, did what the 1st was supposed to do, all, and much more

[KJV] Mark 1:13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

If you disagree, fine! No problem

Candour:


You know say me I no dey claim say i be god neither am i a trained snake charmer or handler. Normal Humans steer clear of wild animals

Heheheheheh

You have a great sense of humor. Hope you're good?

vooks:
Board i.diot,
Please would you be kind enough to embarrass your puny brains for the umpteenth time?

Bobo, are you saying Jesus NEVER DID so? A yes or no would be great!

vooks:
Mumu,
Show me where Jesus 'exercised dominion over wild animals'

if the snake bit and took off HOW was it fastened to his hand according to your moronic theory?
They bite and remain stick because of that's how they are created to maintain a grip on the prey. Note the fangs face inwards
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/AstroGeo/smoothsnakebiting.jpg

So, Paul was the prey?

Dear Lord!
Nat Geo wild should have educated you. So a viper bites a rabbit and holds on to it, to maintain grip? Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaai ;

Candour:
Boils down to God's sovereignty. You can't put God in a box. God could have stopped the 3 Hebrew children from being thrown into the furnace or allowed them to be burnt and then raise them back, who are you to ask him why? He could have made Nebuchadnezzer to go dumb or cause his hand to wither as he gave the command like king Jeroboam's. Who would have told him that's not how to do a miracle? God could have allowed the viper to mutilate Paul's hand, then returned the hand to a state like that of a new born baby. Who is the mortal to tell him how to run the show or do his thing?

That scripture didn't mention a bite. Its safer to leave it that way. The miracle is that a viper came in contact with Paul, yet was powerless to cause him harm. Christ said "they shall take up a serpent and it will not hurt them". That incidence of Paul tallied with that promise. Just leave it that way

Ok, thanks for your opinion. Make sure you go take up serpents! I have left it for you your way!

vooks:
Go ahead kid, make my day

Smh..ask once more, in a polite manner! You saying Jesus never exercised dominion over wild beasts? Right?

LambanoPeace:
7 pages between my last visit here and now! What speed!

^^
@gombs, maybe he is thinking a viper has the fangs of tamudo dragon!

What I've read so far

1. It fastened itself to Paul's hand

2. The Maltans assumed it was a bite

3. Paul shook a viper into the flame either due to reflex or fear.

4. Now, the miracle was God shutting the mouth of the viper, since it is incredibly impossible for the viper not to bite the hand it fastened to after running from death (flames)..

Well, , anything to keep the fact that Paul was bitten. It's cool!

Lobeez, weldone o, with your video... shey now we are in a guess class, right? The hell is this



You think you've made sense, no? Now, Paul had an influence on the viper? He's now a snake charmer or what?

Amazing!

You see what I deal with shey?

vooks:
M.oron,
Do you know anything about fangs?
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1129/5101695344_48fe2388e9.jpg
Can you imagine all that inside your flesh and you just shake the viper off

You need deliverance

Bobo, get sense na... Please

So the viper bit him and was trying to bite out flesh? When a snake bites, they take off, to get enough time to summon another venom. You seriously thought it bit Paul as a dog would bite anybody? ?

vooks:
Dumbo,
WHEN did Jesus 'exercise dominion with wild animals'?
Miracles are not hobbies you engage in when bored which is why Jesus sent his disciples to buy food instead of multiplying nothing into a hearty meal. He shook it into the flame for the same reason you wear seatbelts.

Whether he was scared or not we are not told but he clearly had no business keeping the snake on his hand

Another bait, you really don't know the Bible! You really are scripturally inept!

Now go study, if you want to know, since reading is a major challenge for you, quote this post, and I shall show you...as I always do

[quote author=vooks post=27708213]The problem is basically TRADITION. You have heard of this passage hundreds of times used and many principles or lessons derived from it. You have been told the snake BIT Paul. That's truth for you. Most people arguing for BITE here have NEVER dug the Greek behind it until now

I am not the first Christian on earth and most certainly not the first Spirit filled believer. So I have a lot of respect of Commentaries and those who were in Christ before me. They are not authorities but certainly have a lot we can learn from. Let's look at Barnes;

And fastened on his hand - καθῆψεν kathēpsen. This word properly means to join oneself to; to touch; to adhere to. It might have been by coiling around his hand and arm, or by fastening its fangs in his hand. It is not expressly affirmed that Paul was bitten by the viper, yet it is evidently implied; [size=20pt]and it is wholly incredible that a viper, unless miraculously prevented, should fasten himself to the hand without biting. [/size]
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/barnes/acts/28.htm

Reading and Comprehension deficiency syndrome. Are you suffering from congenital hypothyroidism?

No wonder they sid the miracle happened by God stopping the mouth of the viper, yet the foolish Maltans there were still expecting a man who was not bitten to swell and die. They assumed he was bitten! Hmmmmm... no wonder the shifting of goal post. Now, since it incredibly impossible for a viper to fasten the hand without biting, the miracle then happened before the bite, God shut the mouth of the viper. Ok o

I wonder how easy it is to shake/brush off a snake with even half an inch of a set of its fangs deep inside your flesh. I see strong evidence against a bite than for

It's a viper, not a big cat, or an alligator or a hyena!

Image123:
hehehehehe, old things are swept away.

Heheheheheh, abi?

Candour:
Is God shutting the mouth of the snake and preventing it from biting not miracle enough? Or you think God is powerless to stop the snake from biting like he closed the mouth of the lions? Doesn't God preventing a bite also mean God saved Paul?

Why paint a false picture that folks are denying the power of God in that instance?

Baba how far na!

Why didn't God stop The 3 Hebrew children from being thrown in the furnace? So, the miracle now was God stopping the mouth odf the Viper, shey? Why then, Paul, who had enough Holy Spirit like Jesus, on seeing a snake hugging his hand, shook it into the flame. Why didn't he exercise dominion like Jesus did with wild animals?

Was he scared? Some cretinous post here said it was reflex action, right?

trustman:
Gombs, Mbaemeka & NlMediator are obviously trying to avoid looking at what the scripture says by engaging in distracting argument.

My pointer to the meaning of the word used in the portion in question has been 'conveniently' ignored by them.

They never want to admit they are wrong.

I ignored it because as always, they were senseless. I no know say e pain you like this o!

To get my attention, you have to at least make sense, at least 45% logical debatable post. Anything short would be very ignored, why do you see l don't reply lobeez at all or nannymcphee (minimally) you and goshen (you are better than him sha)?

The Victorious Life · Tuesday, November 4th, 2014

Pastor Chris

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose (Romans 8:28).

Being born again, you’re born into a spiritual kingdom. This spiritual kingdom is greater than the physical world; it actually rules the physical world. For instance, if you were asking God for a job or a child, promotion, etc., He’ll make it available to you in the spirit-realm. If you can take a hold of it in the realm of the spirit, nothing can stop it from manifesting physically. However, many don’t know how to get things done in the realm of the spirit.

The Bible tells us to walk in the spirit (Galatians 5:16). How do you walk in the spirit? It’s by walking in the Word. Jesus said in John 6:63, "…the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." Thus, living the victorious life is living in the Word. This doesn’t mean there’ll be no crises, or that you won’t face any trouble in life; rather, when they come, they’ll be "bread" for you: you’ll walk on in glory. Halleluiah! When you realize this and function accordingly, the victorious life won’t be a mystery but a day-to-day experience for you.

There’s more to life than what your physical eyes can see. 1 Corinthians 2:12 says, "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." As you give attention to God’s Word, the Holy Spirit unveils to your spirit the realities of the victorious life in Christ. This is God’s desire for you. He said through the Apostle Paul: "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth" (3 John 1:2). Living victoriously every day is as simple as saying "Yes" to God’s Word, and acting accordingly.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for my victorious life in Christ. I make full proof of what Christ did for me, living triumphantly every day, in His Name, and for your glory. I can never be disadvantaged because I live in God’s Word, which produces in, and for me, the result of what it says, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
1 John 4:4; [KJV] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Psalm 16:5-6 TLB;
Psalms 16:5 Lord, you alone are my inheritance, my cup of blessing. You guard all that is mine.
Psalms 16:6 The land you have given me is a pleasant land. What a wonderful inheritance!

2 Peter 1:2-4
[KJV] 2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[KJV] 2 Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[KJV] 2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1 year Bible reading plan: Hebrews 4:1-13 Jeremiah 41-43
2 year Bible reading plan : 1 Peter 2:13-25 Ezekiel 35

Image123:
Oh, demisquare. My sweet friend indeed.

He's very much on this thread with a new moniker! I miss that moniker though.

I understand the need for new accounts, some folks just look at the past and what they wrote, and just decide to get another account!

Mba, nlmediator, it's ok they don't believe Paul was bitten. Vook's pictures are even against him, but anyway, like always, they can believe what they may.

if they said Paul wasn't bitten and the Maltan's were assuming, and never saw Paul bitten, but waited for him to die, and later assumed he was a god, fine.

we've made our points, them theirs. The viewers would make a sound decision by the Spirit. No need trying to convince them, but i admire your efforts. DB just wrote off newer bible versions because it did not support his stand. Writers of MSG, NLT, etc must be half wits, getting everything right except Acts 28.

it' ok sha, me i'd not continue the snake hugging Paul's hand debate. Thanks buddy, for your efforts. Good morning

The below picture shows FASTENING on Paul's hand, and the Maltans SAW the viper HANGING on Paul's hand.. and theyaid to themselves, he was surely a murderer.

My last bit bro!

mbaemeka:
The bible explains why the snake had to have bitten Paul. It was reacting to the heat from the fire that Paul was stoking with the wood he was fetching. The Maltan's watching saw what transpired: If Paul wasn't bitten then there would have been no reason to expect him to swell and die. There would have been no reason to conclude he was an extraordinary man. Any ordinary man will knee-jerkly shake a rope off let alone snake, if it accidentally drops on him. So the reaction of the Maltan's is the answer to it all.

No mind these guys

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2510:

aorist
1. to fit or fasten to, bind on.

2. to lay hold of, fasten on (hostilely):

na them sabi, the snake reacted hostilely to what Paul was doing, then it fastened himself to Paul's hand for a hug, and Paul shook a beast who came for a hug into the fire (Paul wicked sha), then the foolish Maltan's there just assumed Paul was bitten, then they sat there waiting for Paul to drop down , he didn't, so they also assumed he was a god.


case closed! bros, i wan go chop food abeg. If you wan continuee with them fine, me, i must chop first. Later jare