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vooks:
Luke 1:80 King James Version (KJV)
80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.

No wahala!

For forty wilderness days and nights he was tested by Satan. Wild animals were his companions, and angels took care of him.

vooks:
Negro,
What part of this is 'exercised dominion over wild animals'?
he is in the wilderness, animals are in the wilderness, he is with wild animals.
John the Baptist too was in the wilderness for far much longer than Jesus' forty days

Puny brains overheating
You are only good for making sandwiches from Oyaks vomit

No problem

[NLT] Mark 1:13 where he was tempted by Satan for forty days. He was out among the wild animals, and angels took care of him.

vooks:
I don't know if He ever did. If He 'exercised dominion over wild animals' please share the verse(s)

Now, that wasn't hard, was it?

Now you are about to know he did. You can see that he as the second Adam, did what the 1st was supposed to do, all, and much more

[KJV] Mark 1:13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

If you disagree, fine! No problem

Candour:


You know say me I no dey claim say i be god neither am i a trained snake charmer or handler. Normal Humans steer clear of wild animals

Heheheheheh

You have a great sense of humor. Hope you're good?

vooks:
Board i.diot,
Please would you be kind enough to embarrass your puny brains for the umpteenth time?

Bobo, are you saying Jesus NEVER DID so? A yes or no would be great!

vooks:
Mumu,
Show me where Jesus 'exercised dominion over wild animals'

if the snake bit and took off HOW was it fastened to his hand according to your moronic theory?
They bite and remain stick because of that's how they are created to maintain a grip on the prey. Note the fangs face inwards
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh160/AstroGeo/smoothsnakebiting.jpg

So, Paul was the prey?

Dear Lord!
Nat Geo wild should have educated you. So a viper bites a rabbit and holds on to it, to maintain grip? Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaai ;

Candour:
Boils down to God's sovereignty. You can't put God in a box. God could have stopped the 3 Hebrew children from being thrown into the furnace or allowed them to be burnt and then raise them back, who are you to ask him why? He could have made Nebuchadnezzer to go dumb or cause his hand to wither as he gave the command like king Jeroboam's. Who would have told him that's not how to do a miracle? God could have allowed the viper to mutilate Paul's hand, then returned the hand to a state like that of a new born baby. Who is the mortal to tell him how to run the show or do his thing?

That scripture didn't mention a bite. Its safer to leave it that way. The miracle is that a viper came in contact with Paul, yet was powerless to cause him harm. Christ said "they shall take up a serpent and it will not hurt them". That incidence of Paul tallied with that promise. Just leave it that way

Ok, thanks for your opinion. Make sure you go take up serpents! I have left it for you your way!

vooks:
Go ahead kid, make my day

Smh..ask once more, in a polite manner! You saying Jesus never exercised dominion over wild beasts? Right?

LambanoPeace:
7 pages between my last visit here and now! What speed!

^^
@gombs, maybe he is thinking a viper has the fangs of tamudo dragon!

What I've read so far

1. It fastened itself to Paul's hand

2. The Maltans assumed it was a bite

3. Paul shook a viper into the flame either due to reflex or fear.

4. Now, the miracle was God shutting the mouth of the viper, since it is incredibly impossible for the viper not to bite the hand it fastened to after running from death (flames)..

Well, , anything to keep the fact that Paul was bitten. It's cool!

Lobeez, weldone o, with your video... shey now we are in a guess class, right? The hell is this



You think you've made sense, no? Now, Paul had an influence on the viper? He's now a snake charmer or what?

Amazing!

You see what I deal with shey?

vooks:
M.oron,
Do you know anything about fangs?
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1129/5101695344_48fe2388e9.jpg
Can you imagine all that inside your flesh and you just shake the viper off

You need deliverance

Bobo, get sense na... Please

So the viper bit him and was trying to bite out flesh? When a snake bites, they take off, to get enough time to summon another venom. You seriously thought it bit Paul as a dog would bite anybody? ?

vooks:
Dumbo,
WHEN did Jesus 'exercise dominion with wild animals'?
Miracles are not hobbies you engage in when bored which is why Jesus sent his disciples to buy food instead of multiplying nothing into a hearty meal. He shook it into the flame for the same reason you wear seatbelts.

Whether he was scared or not we are not told but he clearly had no business keeping the snake on his hand

Another bait, you really don't know the Bible! You really are scripturally inept!

Now go study, if you want to know, since reading is a major challenge for you, quote this post, and I shall show you...as I always do

[quote author=vooks post=27708213]The problem is basically TRADITION. You have heard of this passage hundreds of times used and many principles or lessons derived from it. You have been told the snake BIT Paul. That's truth for you. Most people arguing for BITE here have NEVER dug the Greek behind it until now

I am not the first Christian on earth and most certainly not the first Spirit filled believer. So I have a lot of respect of Commentaries and those who were in Christ before me. They are not authorities but certainly have a lot we can learn from. Let's look at Barnes;

And fastened on his hand - καθῆψεν kathēpsen. This word properly means to join oneself to; to touch; to adhere to. It might have been by coiling around his hand and arm, or by fastening its fangs in his hand. It is not expressly affirmed that Paul was bitten by the viper, yet it is evidently implied; [size=20pt]and it is wholly incredible that a viper, unless miraculously prevented, should fasten himself to the hand without biting. [/size]
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/barnes/acts/28.htm

Reading and Comprehension deficiency syndrome. Are you suffering from congenital hypothyroidism?

No wonder they sid the miracle happened by God stopping the mouth of the viper, yet the foolish Maltans there were still expecting a man who was not bitten to swell and die. They assumed he was bitten! Hmmmmm... no wonder the shifting of goal post. Now, since it incredibly impossible for a viper to fasten the hand without biting, the miracle then happened before the bite, God shut the mouth of the viper. Ok o

I wonder how easy it is to shake/brush off a snake with even half an inch of a set of its fangs deep inside your flesh. I see strong evidence against a bite than for

It's a viper, not a big cat, or an alligator or a hyena!

Image123:
hehehehehe, old things are swept away.

Heheheheheh, abi?

Candour:
Is God shutting the mouth of the snake and preventing it from biting not miracle enough? Or you think God is powerless to stop the snake from biting like he closed the mouth of the lions? Doesn't God preventing a bite also mean God saved Paul?

Why paint a false picture that folks are denying the power of God in that instance?

Baba how far na!

Why didn't God stop The 3 Hebrew children from being thrown in the furnace? So, the miracle now was God stopping the mouth odf the Viper, shey? Why then, Paul, who had enough Holy Spirit like Jesus, on seeing a snake hugging his hand, shook it into the flame. Why didn't he exercise dominion like Jesus did with wild animals?

Was he scared? Some cretinous post here said it was reflex action, right?

trustman:
Gombs, Mbaemeka & NlMediator are obviously trying to avoid looking at what the scripture says by engaging in distracting argument.

My pointer to the meaning of the word used in the portion in question has been 'conveniently' ignored by them.

They never want to admit they are wrong.

I ignored it because as always, they were senseless. I no know say e pain you like this o!

To get my attention, you have to at least make sense, at least 45% logical debatable post. Anything short would be very ignored, why do you see l don't reply lobeez at all or nannymcphee (minimally) you and goshen (you are better than him sha)?

The Victorious Life · Tuesday, November 4th, 2014

Pastor Chris

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose (Romans 8:28).

Being born again, you’re born into a spiritual kingdom. This spiritual kingdom is greater than the physical world; it actually rules the physical world. For instance, if you were asking God for a job or a child, promotion, etc., He’ll make it available to you in the spirit-realm. If you can take a hold of it in the realm of the spirit, nothing can stop it from manifesting physically. However, many don’t know how to get things done in the realm of the spirit.

The Bible tells us to walk in the spirit (Galatians 5:16). How do you walk in the spirit? It’s by walking in the Word. Jesus said in John 6:63, "…the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." Thus, living the victorious life is living in the Word. This doesn’t mean there’ll be no crises, or that you won’t face any trouble in life; rather, when they come, they’ll be "bread" for you: you’ll walk on in glory. Halleluiah! When you realize this and function accordingly, the victorious life won’t be a mystery but a day-to-day experience for you.

There’s more to life than what your physical eyes can see. 1 Corinthians 2:12 says, "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." As you give attention to God’s Word, the Holy Spirit unveils to your spirit the realities of the victorious life in Christ. This is God’s desire for you. He said through the Apostle Paul: "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth" (3 John 1:2). Living victoriously every day is as simple as saying "Yes" to God’s Word, and acting accordingly.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for my victorious life in Christ. I make full proof of what Christ did for me, living triumphantly every day, in His Name, and for your glory. I can never be disadvantaged because I live in God’s Word, which produces in, and for me, the result of what it says, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
1 John 4:4; [KJV] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Psalm 16:5-6 TLB;
Psalms 16:5 Lord, you alone are my inheritance, my cup of blessing. You guard all that is mine.
Psalms 16:6 The land you have given me is a pleasant land. What a wonderful inheritance!

2 Peter 1:2-4
[KJV] 2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[KJV] 2 Peter 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[KJV] 2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1 year Bible reading plan: Hebrews 4:1-13 Jeremiah 41-43
2 year Bible reading plan : 1 Peter 2:13-25 Ezekiel 35

Image123:
Oh, demisquare. My sweet friend indeed.

He's very much on this thread with a new moniker! I miss that moniker though.

I understand the need for new accounts, some folks just look at the past and what they wrote, and just decide to get another account!

Mba, nlmediator, it's ok they don't believe Paul was bitten. Vook's pictures are even against him, but anyway, like always, they can believe what they may.

if they said Paul wasn't bitten and the Maltan's were assuming, and never saw Paul bitten, but waited for him to die, and later assumed he was a god, fine.

we've made our points, them theirs. The viewers would make a sound decision by the Spirit. No need trying to convince them, but i admire your efforts. DB just wrote off newer bible versions because it did not support his stand. Writers of MSG, NLT, etc must be half wits, getting everything right except Acts 28.

it' ok sha, me i'd not continue the snake hugging Paul's hand debate. Thanks buddy, for your efforts. Good morning

The below picture shows FASTENING on Paul's hand, and the Maltans SAW the viper HANGING on Paul's hand.. and theyaid to themselves, he was surely a murderer.

My last bit bro!

mbaemeka:
The bible explains why the snake had to have bitten Paul. It was reacting to the heat from the fire that Paul was stoking with the wood he was fetching. The Maltan's watching saw what transpired: If Paul wasn't bitten then there would have been no reason to expect him to swell and die. There would have been no reason to conclude he was an extraordinary man. Any ordinary man will knee-jerkly shake a rope off let alone snake, if it accidentally drops on him. So the reaction of the Maltan's is the answer to it all.

No mind these guys

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2510:

aorist
1. to fit or fasten to, bind on.

2. to lay hold of, fasten on (hostilely):

na them sabi, the snake reacted hostilely to what Paul was doing, then it fastened himself to Paul's hand for a hug, and Paul shook a beast who came for a hug into the fire (Paul wicked sha), then the foolish Maltan's there just assumed Paul was bitten, then they sat there waiting for Paul to drop down , he didn't, so they also assumed he was a god.


case closed! bros, i wan go chop food abeg. If you wan continuee with them fine, me, i must chop first. Later jare

Candour:
You don drag me inside this una derailment again abi?

Baba, no vex jare

Actually, I don't see anything about bite in that scripture. The Greek in that scripture is truly "kathapto" which is translated "to fit or fasten to" and has nothing to do with "bite". In fact this is the only instance in scripture where the word "kathapto" is used.

read through the translation of that greek word, did you also miss the word Hostilely fastened?

if Paul was actually bitten as you and mba insinuate, the bible didn't say (as far as that scripture is concerned) but it doesn't detract or reduce the miracle God wrought there. I believe preventing the beast from biting Paul was a big enough miracle or will we reduce the enormity of the miracle of Daniel in the lions den because they didn't bite Daniel? Would it have been better appreciated if they bit Daniel and he still survived?

So, the viper who was chased by the heat of the fire, just fastened itself on Paul, and Paul now shook it off, instead to taking it away gently, then the Maltans there were watching the film trick, and were expecting him to die? shey?

Paul was bitten, the miracle there was that it did not kill him, why? that's why verse 5 gave us two references.

The miracle is that a viper fastened itself to Paul's hand yet couldn't cause him any harm. Shikena.

ok, thanks for your opinion,

WinsomeX:
The phrase "and fastened on" which is used in the text to describe what happened to Paul by the snake on that Island is "kathapto" in Greek. It means: to fit or fasten to; bind on; to lay hold of; or to fasten on hostilely (Strong Concordance).

[s]There is nothing in that scripture that meant bite.

Bite, which is "brucho" in Greek is not anywhere found in that text. [/s]

you for obvious reason did not quote the whole of Srong Concordance, why did remove the word [size=20pt] Hostilely [/size] from the concordance?

ok, you did not see it shey? Ok o

mbaemeka:
The problem they are now having is that he felt no harm which should have been the norm. Ha ha ha ha. So the Maltans who had seen vipers for days didn't know why they expected Paul to die?

Ha ha ha ha

DB said they assumed he was bitten.. Amazing huh?

mbaemeka:
Multiple Personality Disorder. Anybody? I thought I said this before? Did y'all think I was mocking him?

let him keep lying to himself, he cannot lie to God and his conscience. Na him sabi, come to think of it, yet he'd be the first to nail another person

WinsomeX:
The phrase " and fastened on" which is used in the text to describe what happened to Paul by the snake on that Island is "kathapto" in Greek. It means: to fit or fasten to; bind on; to lay hold of; or to fasten on hostilely (Strong Concordance).

There is nothing in that scripture that meant bite.

Bite, which is brucho in Greek is not anywhere found in that text.

Stop making yourself even more sillier.

get a study bible, read verse 5. It gave two references Mark 16:18, Luke 10:19

any reason(s)?

not that i expect you to reason well now, but for viewers sake. If you think he was bitten, fine.


Baba Candour, what sayeth thou?

Image123:
Hahahahahahahahahaha, comedian.

https://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/not-mad-amazed.gif

He is a great comedian... Drummaboy never ceases to amaze me

WinsomeX:
Acts 28:3

KJV:And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.

ESV:When Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks and put them on the fire, a viper came out because of the heat and fastened on his hand.

NIV:Paul gathered a pile of brushwood and, as he put it on the fire, a viper, driven out by the heat, fastened itself on his hand.

AMP:Now Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and he was laying them on the fire when a viper crawled out because of the heat and fastened itself on his hand.

As for the message bible, it is criminal for you to continue to resort to it to justify false doctrine, knowing that bible is best a paraphrase in contemporary English and not strict translation of Greek texts. There is no serious bible student that uses the Message for any sound bible learning.

Just own up that you guys goofed, like Candour did very graciously with the map issue and we can proceed to other matters.

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/gcom.gif

SMH

mbaemeka:
There's really no shame bro. Unwise men say unwise things. It is expected.

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/oic.gif

I guess you are right

mbaemeka:
This is a good sign. It would have been a big problem if they understood the words but were resigned to be deceitful. Now this proves that they do not even understand the words to begin with.

Gbam

WinsomeX:
Are you saying you have comprehension troubles?

You have acute problems with reading and comprehnsion.

3 As Paul gathered an armful of sticks and was laying them on the fire, a poisonous snake, driven out by the heat, [size=20pt]bit him on the hand[/size] .

Oya, run to your sewer, call your board members, go to your Wof thread and declare Wof wrote NLT and MSG translations.


you should be ashamed for saying Paul was not bitten.... Shame on you and Vooks

WinsomeX:
I hope the fact that the person you are quoting goofed on the "Paul was bitten by a snake" matter also helped your humour?

This is a confirmation then. I wonder when reading and comprehension became a herculean task for some of you. Let's read that Acts 28 in the Message translation

Paul pitched in and helped. He had gathered up a bundle of sticks, but when he put it on the fire, a venomous snake, roused from its torpor by the heat, [size=20pt]struck his hand[/size] and held on

Now, I know English is a bit difficult for some of you to understand, let's leave the above enlarged aside for a minute,

V6
They kept expecting him to drop dead, but when it was obvious he wasn't going to, they jumped to the conclusion that he was a god!

Are you saying folks there did not see Peter being bitten by the snake, yet, they expected him to drop dead? They actually kept expecting . But in your mammoth scriptural ineptitude, you said they assumed he was bitten, and kept expecting him to die.

I actually prayed for God to turn your cousel yo folly. See how you all keep embarrassing yourselves. Snake and Eve, Paul and Galatia, now this?

WinsomeX:
When I first read the above, I was almost convinced you had goofed. I was going to read the scriptures again when Grundy provided it here. Indeed that scripture said the snake fastened itself around Paul's hands. It didn't say he was bitten by it. The islanders who were observing him, must have assumed like our WoF friends here that Paul was bitten. But the scripture did not record he was bitten. Now, he could have been bitten but that was not what scripture recorded; what was clearly written was that the snake fastened itself around the hands of Paul and not that it bit him.

I think this has been the problem with these back and forth debates. Reading assumption and preconceived ideas into scriptures and not allowing the bible to speak for itself.

I commend your doggedness in this debate, sir. Well done vooks.

Oh no, you didn't!

Let's be clear first, are you saying Paul was not bitten?

mbaemeka:
Your constant references to puny brains and being a CEO just shows your true insecurities. You would wish everyone on here is as unintelligent as you. When you cannot defend your heresies CE or the most senior Pastor's name flies out of your small mind. You have gone from dangling the scriptures to the law and now to logic, 3 areas that should never be attached to your person and personality. You definitely take the cake for delusions of grandeur and importance. Me, vengeful and trying to catch you in error? What are you? Virtually all Your posts on this thread have been from [b]one level of [size=20pt]olodoism[/size] to another. [/b]You are doing a fine job exposing yourself.

BTW, their sicknesses point to what? Maybe we should ask Demas why he abandoned Paul considering he had the same revelation and Holy Spirit with Paul. Or Maybe Paul should tell us why he still went to Jerusalem against the Holy Spirit's warning if the above conditions you listed meant that everyone in the early church functioned with a special revelation that gave them ministry gifts that caused them to heal sick people but remain sick in their own cases.

You have nothing to say. You will debate clear scriptures to hold on to your ignorance and religious bondage. Yes, I am shackled. I am very proud of it. I have restricted my thinking to ONLY the word of God and nothing else. You should feel free to think out of the box. That's all it is- a feel. In reality, you're in shackles to think the way mere men think and of course, progress your thinking as they correct their own mistakes. Maybe then and just then you would understand what Jesus did with his blood in heaven, the role of shedding blood for the remission of sins, that Isaac sowed in a Famine and that Paul was bitten by a Viper but he felt no harm (as he was fulfilling scriptures). But how would you know? I wager you didn't even know it was a sign that the christian ought to be impervious to poison of any sort. Or maybe you did know but decided to think freely away from it.

You are a sorry case. A hopeless one.

Very on point.

The above bold got me cracking!