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Candour:
You don drag me inside this una derailment again abi?

Baba, no vex jare

Actually, I don't see anything about bite in that scripture. The Greek in that scripture is truly "kathapto" which is translated "to fit or fasten to" and has nothing to do with "bite". In fact this is the only instance in scripture where the word "kathapto" is used.

read through the translation of that greek word, did you also miss the word Hostilely fastened?

if Paul was actually bitten as you and mba insinuate, the bible didn't say (as far as that scripture is concerned) but it doesn't detract or reduce the miracle God wrought there. I believe preventing the beast from biting Paul was a big enough miracle or will we reduce the enormity of the miracle of Daniel in the lions den because they didn't bite Daniel? Would it have been better appreciated if they bit Daniel and he still survived?

So, the viper who was chased by the heat of the fire, just fastened itself on Paul, and Paul now shook it off, instead to taking it away gently, then the Maltans there were watching the film trick, and were expecting him to die? shey?

Paul was bitten, the miracle there was that it did not kill him, why? that's why verse 5 gave us two references.

The miracle is that a viper fastened itself to Paul's hand yet couldn't cause him any harm. Shikena.

ok, thanks for your opinion,

WinsomeX:
The phrase "and fastened on" which is used in the text to describe what happened to Paul by the snake on that Island is "kathapto" in Greek. It means: to fit or fasten to; bind on; to lay hold of; or to fasten on hostilely (Strong Concordance).

[s]There is nothing in that scripture that meant bite.

Bite, which is "brucho" in Greek is not anywhere found in that text. [/s]

you for obvious reason did not quote the whole of Srong Concordance, why did remove the word [size=20pt] Hostilely [/size] from the concordance?

ok, you did not see it shey? Ok o

mbaemeka:
The problem they are now having is that he felt no harm which should have been the norm. Ha ha ha ha. So the Maltans who had seen vipers for days didn't know why they expected Paul to die?

Ha ha ha ha

DB said they assumed he was bitten.. Amazing huh?

mbaemeka:
Multiple Personality Disorder. Anybody? I thought I said this before? Did y'all think I was mocking him?

let him keep lying to himself, he cannot lie to God and his conscience. Na him sabi, come to think of it, yet he'd be the first to nail another person

WinsomeX:
The phrase " and fastened on" which is used in the text to describe what happened to Paul by the snake on that Island is "kathapto" in Greek. It means: to fit or fasten to; bind on; to lay hold of; or to fasten on hostilely (Strong Concordance).

There is nothing in that scripture that meant bite.

Bite, which is brucho in Greek is not anywhere found in that text.

Stop making yourself even more sillier.

get a study bible, read verse 5. It gave two references Mark 16:18, Luke 10:19

any reason(s)?

not that i expect you to reason well now, but for viewers sake. If you think he was bitten, fine.


Baba Candour, what sayeth thou?

Image123:
Hahahahahahahahahaha, comedian.

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He is a great comedian... Drummaboy never ceases to amaze me

WinsomeX:
Acts 28:3

KJV:And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.

ESV:When Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks and put them on the fire, a viper came out because of the heat and fastened on his hand.

NIV:Paul gathered a pile of brushwood and, as he put it on the fire, a viper, driven out by the heat, fastened itself on his hand.

AMP:Now Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and he was laying them on the fire when a viper crawled out because of the heat and fastened itself on his hand.

As for the message bible, it is criminal for you to continue to resort to it to justify false doctrine, knowing that bible is best a paraphrase in contemporary English and not strict translation of Greek texts. There is no serious bible student that uses the Message for any sound bible learning.

Just own up that you guys goofed, like Candour did very graciously with the map issue and we can proceed to other matters.

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SMH

mbaemeka:
There's really no shame bro. Unwise men say unwise things. It is expected.

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I guess you are right

mbaemeka:
This is a good sign. It would have been a big problem if they understood the words but were resigned to be deceitful. Now this proves that they do not even understand the words to begin with.

Gbam

WinsomeX:
Are you saying you have comprehension troubles?

You have acute problems with reading and comprehnsion.

3 As Paul gathered an armful of sticks and was laying them on the fire, a poisonous snake, driven out by the heat, [size=20pt]bit him on the hand[/size] .

Oya, run to your sewer, call your board members, go to your Wof thread and declare Wof wrote NLT and MSG translations.


you should be ashamed for saying Paul was not bitten.... Shame on you and Vooks

WinsomeX:
I hope the fact that the person you are quoting goofed on the "Paul was bitten by a snake" matter also helped your humour?

This is a confirmation then. I wonder when reading and comprehension became a herculean task for some of you. Let's read that Acts 28 in the Message translation

Paul pitched in and helped. He had gathered up a bundle of sticks, but when he put it on the fire, a venomous snake, roused from its torpor by the heat, [size=20pt]struck his hand[/size] and held on

Now, I know English is a bit difficult for some of you to understand, let's leave the above enlarged aside for a minute,

V6
They kept expecting him to drop dead, but when it was obvious he wasn't going to, they jumped to the conclusion that he was a god!

Are you saying folks there did not see Peter being bitten by the snake, yet, they expected him to drop dead? They actually kept expecting . But in your mammoth scriptural ineptitude, you said they assumed he was bitten, and kept expecting him to die.

I actually prayed for God to turn your cousel yo folly. See how you all keep embarrassing yourselves. Snake and Eve, Paul and Galatia, now this?

WinsomeX:
When I first read the above, I was almost convinced you had goofed. I was going to read the scriptures again when Grundy provided it here. Indeed that scripture said the snake fastened itself around Paul's hands. It didn't say he was bitten by it. The islanders who were observing him, must have assumed like our WoF friends here that Paul was bitten. But the scripture did not record he was bitten. Now, he could have been bitten but that was not what scripture recorded; what was clearly written was that the snake fastened itself around the hands of Paul and not that it bit him.

I think this has been the problem with these back and forth debates. Reading assumption and preconceived ideas into scriptures and not allowing the bible to speak for itself.

I commend your doggedness in this debate, sir. Well done vooks.

Oh no, you didn't!

Let's be clear first, are you saying Paul was not bitten?

mbaemeka:
Your constant references to puny brains and being a CEO just shows your true insecurities. You would wish everyone on here is as unintelligent as you. When you cannot defend your heresies CE or the most senior Pastor's name flies out of your small mind. You have gone from dangling the scriptures to the law and now to logic, 3 areas that should never be attached to your person and personality. You definitely take the cake for delusions of grandeur and importance. Me, vengeful and trying to catch you in error? What are you? Virtually all Your posts on this thread have been from [b]one level of [size=20pt]olodoism[/size] to another. [/b]You are doing a fine job exposing yourself.

BTW, their sicknesses point to what? Maybe we should ask Demas why he abandoned Paul considering he had the same revelation and Holy Spirit with Paul. Or Maybe Paul should tell us why he still went to Jerusalem against the Holy Spirit's warning if the above conditions you listed meant that everyone in the early church functioned with a special revelation that gave them ministry gifts that caused them to heal sick people but remain sick in their own cases.

You have nothing to say. You will debate clear scriptures to hold on to your ignorance and religious bondage. Yes, I am shackled. I am very proud of it. I have restricted my thinking to ONLY the word of God and nothing else. You should feel free to think out of the box. That's all it is- a feel. In reality, you're in shackles to think the way mere men think and of course, progress your thinking as they correct their own mistakes. Maybe then and just then you would understand what Jesus did with his blood in heaven, the role of shedding blood for the remission of sins, that Isaac sowed in a Famine and that Paul was bitten by a Viper but he felt no harm (as he was fulfilling scriptures). But how would you know? I wager you didn't even know it was a sign that the christian ought to be impervious to poison of any sort. Or maybe you did know but decided to think freely away from it.

You are a sorry case. A hopeless one.

Very on point.

The above bold got me cracking!

trustman:
Gombs, over to you!

Why?

Chapter 9 loading...

Stay tuned!

donnie:
@Gombs Mbaemeka
Hi Brothers, got an email I can reach you on? I'd like to share something with you.

look at my signature bro!

owo2000:
Well expounded. I like it....

All thanks to the Holy Spirit via Kenneth Hagin

The Holy Spirit: The Very Essence Of Christ- Monday, November 3rd

Pastor Chris

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
(John 14:16-17)

In our lives as Christian, the most important thing for us is our fellowship with the Holy Spirit. If you saw Jesus right now, I'm sure you'd embrace Him, bow to Him or fall at His feet in worship; I mean you'd express your love for Him in the best way possible. Well, you might as well do the same for the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit is just like Jesus and He's in you, and with you, everyday.

We don't have anything less than what the disciples had when they were with Jesus in Bible days. Not only do we have the precence of God with us, we have Him in us, in the Holy Spirit. Until and unless that becomes a present-hour consciousness in you, your Christianity would be no more than a religion.

Recognize the Holy Spirit, not only as a real person, but also as the very essence of the Christ. Without the Holy Spirit, there'd have been no Christ; Jesus wouldn't be all that He was; every thing you love about Jesus wouldn't be there. The revelation of God; the expression of His nature, love, character and grace that you find in Jesus is all revealed to you through the Holy Spirit. Everything you love or admire in Jesus is in the Holy Spirit.

Today, the Lord Jesus in in heaven, but the Holy Spirit is with us on earth. The beautiful thing about it is we can have Him (the Holy Spirit) with us anywhere, everywhere, all the time. The disciples didn't have this privilege before the death of Jesus; they couldn't "take Jesus home" in them. But when the Holy Spirit came, He took the place of the ascended Christ. Now, we don't miss Jesus, because the Holy Spirit makes the presence of Jesus real to us. He's the reason you can believe the Word of God.

It's so important that you recognize the ministry of the Holy Spirit in your life. Knowing Him and walking with Him is the key to the successful and supernatural life in Christ.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the immeasurable blessing of having the Holy Spirit live in me. I acknowledge His presence, and take advantage of His awesome ministry in my life, as He guides me in wisdom, to do your perfect with, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Further Study:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Daily Scripture Reading:

1 Year Bible Reading Plan: Hebrews 3;Jeremiah 38-40
2 Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 Peter 2:1-12; Ezekiel 34

WinsomeX:
Enjoy your five minutes of glory; it's all you WoFaithers seek: vain glory and not God's.

Eyaaaaaaa!

WinsomeX:
The WoF crew have not denied their name. Why are you crying more than the bereaved? Is it because you are WoF too? A lesser version??

Bobo how far na?

Folks liking the book, great truths are being propagated, what would you do now? No Pastor Chris news, no body is criticizing Hagin's book or him or WoF, me thinks it's another blow to your doomed campaign, judging from the failed Wof thread, proponents of touch not my Annointing, and Bankruptcy of the 'prosperity gospel'. This failure is one of numerous others to come. I smell a new moniker loading sha.

You should come read my mails o! I need a staff! Phew!!

Ehen, the 21st point you proposed to your board members, your board members seem to have grinned in sheer bewilderment at the lunacy of the idea.

nannymcphee:
Mr librarian, what I mean by that is this, that you have great faith doesn't mean God will grant it to you, it's will & sovereignty is the deciding choice

Do you think David didn't have faith when he prayed that God should spare the life of his child? Yet the child still died

When God revealed to Paul that no life will be lost excerpt the properties in the ship, why didnt he change it, after all pastor has said when God reveals something, then you can change it, if he doesn't reveal it you can't change it

Bottom line:ITS GODS SOVERIEGNITY THAT COUNTS

Fromt the above bold, Jesus lied to us then

[KJV] Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Jesus was very clear there, maybe what is in your Bible is

[NannymcpheeStandardVersion] Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that maybe ye will receive them, and I shall decide whether you shall have them, my Father's will and sovereignty counts you know!

I'm glad I have a Bible sha, keep your opinion, me mine. Let the page viewers make the right choice by God's Spirit.

Cheers

nannymcphee:
Go & sit down, that's sacarsam!!

What am I apologizing for, if it was one why am I challenging him

Next time, learn to read between the lines

Between the lines shey?
Sarcasm, shey?

So, it is safe yo conclude that you said faith don't always work. #Noted

I have bookmarked this page for future reference.

In other news, I have found a cue to the old WoF page, a place where folks like Goshen, shedemidemi , Drummaboy now WinsomeX made monumental blunders, just like you've done now...I screen grabbed it, I kept it, no tsunami can take it away now.

I'm working on raising the thread back. You'd see funny discussion like Wof building, Wof piano, Wof guitar

Meehn, it's almost time for Communion Service oo

nannymcphee:
I'm sorry, it works all the time, I hereby join vooks in challenging you:

Apology not accepted. What's the excuse now? a mix up again? You can't keep making blunders and apologizing ma'am. If you have not learnt enough, be humble to ask, and learn, nothing wrong in that. What is wrong is when half baked brethren want to teach, when they themselves are inept.

You can't keep shooting your foot and telling us it was a mistake. I gave you an advice earlier on, I said: writing is the most expensive form of communication, and the least forgiving.

anyways, it's Sunday, apologies accepted

louisse:
Read more articles/devotionals by Kenneth E. Hagin and other powerful preachers at [url]spiritrestore.com[/url]

Thanks Buddy

Image123:
Ridiculous! At least nanny is a member of a so called WoF church, she and the person she's discussing with attend the same church. petty points/items. You and all these WoF piano, WoF dance, WoF table. Jo tried helping you but you seem bent on wallowing in your mire as it were.

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hahahahahahaha

Meeeehn, I miss the old Wof thread. I remember the Wof piano, dance, table etc... God! I was stunned. I wish I had the topic of that thread

Trailblazer1:
dear gombs,
for silencing all the critics, wolves and enemies of the Faith and the cause of Christ on Nairaland. May you never lose your reward in the kingdom.

More Grace dear brother.

I'm not ashamed to call you a BROTHER.

Amen bro!

We are onward, marching as to war, and in the name of Jesus, we shall vanquish every high thing that exaltheth itself against the knowledge of God, we shall pull down strongholds, we shall cast down imaginations.

When I was reading Paul's epistle to the Corinth church this morning, I was amazed because it was as if he was writing to me in the 58th verse, chapter 15, he said

Therefore, my beloved brethren Gombs, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord

for the sake of the Gospel, I shall not hold my peace bro. Thanks for the encouragement.

WinsomeX:
trustman, DrummaBoy and BabaGnoni,

I humbly request a twenty-first item on your Word of Faith thread titled:

21. Word of Faith Despises God's Sovereignty.

The responses to nannymcphee's queries necessitates this. Please consider it.

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meeehn, whatever these folks don't like about anything, and we oppose their lies, they crawl to their sewer in NL and convey a boardmeeting, then they go to the thread and accuse Wof! Classic.

now, we despises God's sovereignty, right?

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Oya, you and your colleagues, the true gospel preachers can go and type away.

Happy writing

nannymcphee:
If the above were true, then you wouldn't have said that it was Paul's prayer that made God have mercy on Epaphroditus. The scripture was silent on that.

We weren't told that Paul prayed for his healing neither were we told that there was a praying, all that was stated was God had mercy on him

Paul statement can be likened to a husband who says God had mercy on his wife & on him(saving him from the sorrow of becoming a widower)

Will it be right to the. Conclude that it was the husband prayer that worked?

If faith works all the time? Why didn't trophimus faith work or why didn't Paul use his own great faith to heal him, rather he left him sick?

So, faith don't always work ie it doesn't work all the time!... hmmmm

Dear Lord Jesus, help my patience, amen

mbaemeka:
Well, James said I should tell you and your teachers that if you ask God for anything [in this case wisdom] and then you conclude that if he wills it he would give it to you and if he doesn't he won't, that you are NOT walking in FAITH and will NOT receive anything from God. So miss me with your sovereignty talk again.

Gbamest

And so, we made front page! Nice

nannymcphee:
Oh lord, so it's now Paul's faith that caused God to heal epaphroditus?

wow


An excerpt from the verse:

But God had mercy on him, and not only on him but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow

if God had mercy on both of them, why the. Should you single out Paul's prayer?

Why rule out epaphroditus prayers?

are you telling me he too don't have faith?

What about trophimus that Paul left sick?

What happened Paul didn't have faith?

Just questioning your line of reasoning!!

SMH

nannymcphee:
Off course he had faith that why he cried unto God but that wasn't the reason God gave him 15yrs!! Did he ask for 15years?

Are you telling me it was his faith that moved God?

Can a man receive anything (in this case 15years) from God without faith?