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mbaemeka:
Candour,

Genesis 10:19 NLT

and the territory of Canaan extended from Sidon in the north to Gerar and Gaza in the south, and east as far as Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboiim, near Lasha.

Besides, I used a Map to take my position. You can readily check one online.

No need to go online. God bless you jare. He should notice the above bold on the map.

Candour:
Actually, you're wrong. Let's start from the Son's of Noah in Genesis chapter 10.

Noah had 3 sons namely; Shem, Ham and Japhet. Ham had 4 sons namely; Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan

The Sons of Mizraim are Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, and Cashluhim (out of whom came Philistim or Philistine) and Caphtorim.

The sons of Canaan are Sidon, Heth, Jebusites, Amorite, Girgashite, Hivite, Arkite, Sinite, Arvadite, Zemarite and Hamathithe

We can see that Mizraim and Canaan are clearly differentiated and the Philistines (Philistim) are clearly not listed among the descendants of Canaan which God promised Abraham will lose their lands to his descendants. In fact out of the great-grand children of Ham, only Philistim (Philistines) was mentioned and i believe it was because of the great antagonism they were going to cause the Israelites down the pages of history.

Gen 10:19
And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, [size=14pt]as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha[/color]

The bible said the Canaanites border was from Sidon ''as thou comest to Gerar'' It didn't say the border was from Sidon unto and including Gerar.

God differentiated between Canaanites and the Philistines when he enumerated the descendants of Ham and he also demarcated the lands in the scripture above.

Gerar was to the south of Canaan, it doesn't mean Gerar is a part of Canaan. Just like Cotonou is west of Nigeria doesn't mean Cotonou is a part of Nigeria.

Isaac reaped far above his neighbours who even owned the land is the message we got there.

Bobo, look... Bible said plain English. See what I said

If you look at a map of the land during Isaac's generation, you will see that Gerar is the last inhabited city in Canaan before entering the Wilderness of Shur along the well traveled caravan route between the nation of the Philistines and Egypt.

Now study the map below, notice where Judah is! If you still want to argue, fine.

Bidam:
Good, now you are coming up to my scriptural level of reasoning, who set those natural laws in place?

Nice

Mba, our post wan come similar o!

The truth is one jare! God bless you

Notice the timing!

nannymcphee:
We have left "seed time" & "harvest", its now famine!!

First things first, Gombs why did the bible say seedtime & harvest(without time) ?

mbaemeka, care to join?

LambanoPeace, also comment because you started the whole thing!

Okies... Bidam has answered that na

Bidam:
I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude...Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE

If you are not satisfied, open a thread and invite us all. Thanks

Candour:
i was still typing and pushed submit icon before time. See the full write up incase you missed it up there

Candour na!

Yet when the famine spread in the day of his son Israel, the Bible said it was all over the earth, even if it wasn't, but famine was able to spread from Israel to Egypt.
Gerar - means "lodging-place" – it was a Philistine town and district in what is today south central Israel. Gerar was in Cannan. Isaac moved from one point in Canaan to another, but he was still in Canaan...Study na! Please.

If you look at a map of the land during Isaac's generation, you will see that Gerar is the last inhabited city in Canaan before entering the Wilderness of Shur along the well traveled caravan route between the nation of the Philistines and Egypt.

Up to this point, Isaac was going by formula. But when the Lord appeared to him, he said He did not want Isaac to go to Egypt, but rather to stay in Canaan and the Lord promised to bless him there (where famine was raging). The Lord was doing a different thing in Isaac's day than Abraham's and it was critical to flow with His plan. The same is true for every generation.

If Gera was in Cannan, how then was Gerar not affected be the famine?

Anyways, I'm not here to convince you. Thanks

Image123:
Just to help you, he's only more sly. Like a well with the dirt settled under. #iknowhim.

Well, you're right

Candour:
Actually Gombs, lot of conclusions we've drawn from scripture that scripture didn't actually say. This unfortunately is one of them. let's examine

You did not see Vooks' blunder right? I understand

Examine the verse yourself. Thanks

Image, Bidam, mba...see why sometimes, I wonder whether discussions here with some folks are worth it, but just so that the don't miskead others I stay.

Imagine those who claim to be true Bible teachers having little or no idea of Bible knowledge. Next thing would be to create a new moniker like Drummaboy aka WinsomeX, but like the saying goes, a lizard in a better environment would only evolve to be an alligator, not a new specie of animal. WinsomeX has made his own blunder too, chiefly was the fact he said Jesus mentioned power on twice in the Bible!

God be my strength to endure more!

vooks:
Nonsense. Nobody sowed anything during famine nowhere in the scriptures

You are yet to explain to us what Harvest in Genesis means not to mention seed time.

Please tell me why Jesus cursed a tree out of season

Na wa o! Candour, you see the kind people I debate scriptures with? Oya, go to Genesis 26, from verse 1, especially veree 12. His name was isaac!

Shame on you! You claim to know, but you keep making simpleton outta yourself. Simple Bible studying o!

I'm done with you, neonates and sissies are not worth the time.

Cheers

vooks:
You are wallowing in equivocation jumping between spiritual and physical.
Can you plant at ANY time of the year any plant like wheat or corn?

Redundancy.
There was this guy in the Bible that sowed in famine time-not a favorable time, a wrong time, the circumstances were against him, ...emm, sombody please remind me his name...he decided to sow into the land, he sowed anytime, there was always a time to sow. It is decided by the sower, God gives seed to the sower, it is the sower's job to sow. Moses and God were not playing grammar class when they wrote down "seedtime and harvest" instead of "seed time and harvest time" as a lot of you wish it was.

I am not mixing physical and spiritual, call nannymcphee, she was the one talking about seasons and natural course and semantics. When Isaac sowed did he consider weather, seasons and natural course? Was he being spiritual or carnal like you lot? When Jesus went to harvest fruits when it was not the tree's fruiting period, was he considering the harvesting season as you carnal lot keep bringing in natural seasons and course?

Meanwhile, I other new, you cunningly avoiding this question... for obvious reasons. See it here again

Can you explain why Jesus went to a tree and demanded for a fruit even when He knew it was not its time of fruiting?

vooks:
Gombs it is your turn
What does seed-time in Genesis means?
What does harvest mean?

Bidam:
I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude...Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE

i don't practice redundancy! it is not my fault you have reading and comprehension problems.

Can you explain why Jesus went to a tree and demanded for a fruit even when He knew it was not its time of fruiting?

nannymcphee:
maybe you should read my initial post, it was directed at lambanopeace & not you. I only asked you to check the post with reference to your question

speaking on ineptitude, that verse again talks about the natural course of events & wasn't talking about sowing seeds as churches have used it to preach.

I believe in application of the word, even if that verse is used to buttress sowing & reaping, that time, was not added to "harvest" is inconsequential, the same way "time" was not added to the other things listed, even though they were all times & seasons & phases.

You believe in the application of the Word? ok, Sowing and reaping came from where? OT or NT. if it's the OT, why like Bidam asked did Paul taght about it?

This is just semantics, the same way someone can say seed phase or seed planting phase, will you cry out & say its not biblical

Semantics shey? Just semantics? Genesis was written by INSPIRATION of God, by Moses. Was God playing semantics? or Moses heard wrong and hence wrote wrong.

It is churches that are twisting that verse to mean that when you sow seeds, there is no set time for your harvest, it can come any time, just because there was no time attached to "harvest" in that scripture.

your opinion is noted though!
Cheers

BabaGnoni:
Though against my better judgement I will quote you.
- My apologies to all those that have to re-read your diarrhea of the mouth above there

Read the whole of Psalms 82 from where Jesus quoted John 10.34 to get the context of the whole gist
OT hebrew elohim used for judges, came before NT greek, theo. That NT relies on OT for its interpretation

so, like i asked before, God was speaking to judges shey?

Yall must be envied the way you work so hard to pass "GOD" and "god" as God
You are divinity? Right I doff my hat to you. Ride on. SMH

go siddon for corner joor... na me write greek? if it was in support of you delusions, you would have quoted it into delirium. Wait for clowns who'd believe yor heresies like you know, Eve and....

Bidam:
I am tired of repetitions. Who set the time for harvest in that verse of scripture you quoted?

Good question some people cannot answer

Bidam:
I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude... Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE

chaaaaaaaaaaaaai, bidam, how did you steal my thought o! Nannymcphee, please get a biro and notepad.. take notes (notice the plural)

remember when Jesus went to a tree to get frit even when it was not its season of fruiting? Harvest is set by God.. but they cant know this.

Bidam:
Did you ignore the fact that her post mentioned there is seedtime but nothing like harvesttime or are you being mischievious here? Take time to read peoples post before replying na.

very apt advice bro!

vooks:
It's first mentioned in
Genesis 8:22 (KJV)
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

For NT application of the same and specifically with regard to WOF and abuse of scriptures, ask your matey Bidam

where did you now get harvest time?

Bidam:
So quit the snide remrks,side talks attacking people and straw clutching and tell us your interpretations on the law of sowing and reaping in Paul's epistles. Borrow a leaf from your ally candour and attack the message not the messenger.

Candour is leagues away from them! Light years ahead sef

LambanoPeace:
Olodo rabata, there is no such thing as the above bold in the Bible. Oya argue let me embarrass you with Scriptures. There is seed time, but nothing like harvest time. Where did you pull out seed time and harvest time law from?

That is what happens when folks who know few verses think they are sufficient, and enough to teach others, ignoring books and messages of those who are ahead of them in the faith. You should see their wof thread.... looks like a convention of folks with acute deficiency of Bible knowledge... Imagine o! Seed time and harvest time! Lord Jesus

BabaGnoni, I didn't bother quoting you, but a little tit bit from your write up for the intellectual handicapped:

1. Elohim in Psalms 82:6 did not only mean judge as you want us to believe, and that is where my problem with you emanates- acrid dishonesty! Let me school you!
The word Elohim (small 'e' of course) means
1. (plural)
rulers, judges
divine ones
angels
gods
2. (plural intensive - singular meaning)
god, goddess
godlike one
works or special possessions of God
the (true) God
God

From Psalms 82:6, one can readily see (except if they're biased) that David was writing to a target audience, a special breed of folks... That was why Jesus quoted it. Sadly, but I know twas intentional, you left out the other parts of John 10:34 ie v35. Now let's visit that

[KJV] John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Let's read from the message translation, shall we?

38Jesus said, "I'm only quoting your inspired Scriptures, where God said, 'I tell you—you are gods.' If God called your ancestors 'gods'—and Scripture doesn't lie—why do you yell, 'Blasphemer! Blasphemer!' at the unique One the Father consecrated and sent into the world, just because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?


Question, was God calling them judges? BabaGnoni and his band of 10 spies would love us to believe an evil report. He said

The verse has nothing to do whatsoever with Christians at all, at allChristians have no business attaching with the verse as it is about judges, judges given authority to perform martial and judicial duties

So, God was speaking through David to Judges given authority to perform marital and judicial duties? Even when Jesus said God called them gods unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; ? Same word that came to them in the wilderness, came to us too, we received it, as they did, we became gods, because we like some of them in the wilderness mixed it with faith.

hebrews 4:2 MSG
We received the same promises as those people in the wilderness, but the promises didn't do them a bit of good because they didn't receive the promises with faith. If we believe, though, we'll experience that state of resting. But not if we don't have faith. Remember that God said,

If God was addressing judges, why did the preceeding verses say
[KJV] Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Was God referring to just judges or to his whole children?

Jesus said, "why call me a blasphemer because I said I am the son of God? Shey God talk am with him mouth say we all be the children of the Most high in una law books"?

If Jesus asked such, why does it fail babagnoni and his band to comprehend it? In John 10, the word gods there is from the greek theos, small 't' it means

1. a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
2. the Godhead, trinity
God the Father, the first person in the trinity
Christ, the second person of the trinity
Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity
3. spoken of the only and true God
a. refers to the things of God
b. his counsels, interests, things due to him
4. whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
a. God's representative or viceregen

BabaGnoni, I ask you to point the one Jesus meant in John 10:34. I know I'm likened to God, because as Jesus is, so am I in this world, and Jesus is God, hence I am a god, I am divinity! No wonder the devil wants to use some folks to water down who the Christian is.

BabaGnoni, was jesus referring to judges too, as you said The verse has nothing to do whatsoever with Christians at all, at allChristians have no business attaching with the verse as it is about judges, judges given authority to perform martial and judicial duties

A Happy, Good Life! · Friday, October 31st

Pastor Chris

For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it (1 Peter 3:10-11).

It’s so inspiring to know that as a child of God, you can be at the top of your game and live a glorious life; a life that you can be happy about, every day. Some people aren’t happy with their lives and as a result, they blame others, the government, their environment, or their neighbours for their seeming misfortune; that’s not going to change anything.

To be the absolute success that God designed you to be takes living by the Word. The Word of God unveils the fundamental principles of success that you can act upon to achieve extraordinary greatness in life. For example, our opening scripture is very instructive on how to have a happy, good life. Let’s read it again, this time, in the Living Bible Translation: "If you want a happy, good life, keep control of your tongue, and guard your lips from telling lies. Turn away from evil and do good. Try to live in peace even if you must run after it to catch and hold it" (1 Peter 3:10-11).

Did you see that? It lets you know clearly that if you want to be happy about your life, and see good days, there’s a way to make it happen: eschew evil, and do good; go the extra mile to live in peace with all men. The Message translation says, "Whoever wants to embrace life and see the day fill up with good, Here’s what you do: Say nothing evil or hurtful; Snub evil and cultivate good; run after peace for all you’re worth" (1 Peter 3:10-11). Practise this. This is God giving you the recipe for a successful life: a life that’s filled up with good!

I love the Word of God because it’s our instruction manual for a glorious life; it’s the Light that guides us in righteousness, dominion, success and victory. Your life can be beautiful, extraordinary, exciting, fulfilling, exceptional, and excellent if you’d live by the Word.

Prayer...
Blessed Father, I thank you for giving me an extraordinary life in Christ; I’m fulfilled, joyful, and excited about my life, which you’ve adorned with your beauty, glory and righteousness. I’m established by your grace, in the path of greatness, because I live by your Word. Halleluiah!

Further Study: 
Hebrews 12:14; [KJV] Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

2 Peter 1:3 [KJV] According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

1 year Bible reading plan: Jeremiah 33 Philemon 1:1-25
2 year Bible reading plan: James 5:1-20 Ezekiel 31

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Thanks Candour and BabaGnoni for keeping focus. 
Obviously the WoF "cartel" (I like BabaGnoni's new designation of them!) here on NL lack focus. And a book that is meant to have them face the truth rather than live in denial is not given the desired attention here. 
Apparently their intention was flawed from the beginning. Instead of concentrating on issues in the book, at least for other NL readers, they seem to be so myopic that all they see are the few here who are correcting them. They are more excited at throwing words at 'opponents' than truly dig out the message of the book.

Why can't you seem to wanna ever learn? Why? Now you're the saint trading blames? So the book does not concern you and your church? Your church is obviously perfect? When your band of misfits derailed the thread with videos and that failed Wof thread, shey it was all in 'keeping focus'? Your hypocrisy stinks!

[s]It is said that a dying man usually wants to give the most important message.[/s] That, I believe, is what  Hagin attempts to do here; the underlying message being the need for the WoF crowd to avoid excesses and deviations.

Stop being cynical. Well as long it's what you believe, fine. Your believing is duly noted too.

[s]Will their Chief Protagonists on NL pick his core message and do an introspection; Or will pride overcome them?[/s]

Baloney!

Candour:
Thoughts on Chapter 8


[size=20pt]1. Believers are not able to give anything to God that did not originate with God.[/size]

This point doesn't need much comments as Hagin made some valid comments on this point himself.

He said ''[size=14pt]This makes it clear that we are not to demand that God give us what we want[/size]. God in His graciousness has already provided everything for us.'' on page 173

He also said ''Having given God something does not entitle one to arrogantly demand that God do something in return. Rather, giving is to be done worshipfully, recognizing that whatever we give to God was originally created by Him and then given to us. Therefore, the proper attitude for giving is one of worship and gratitude.''

Our given should NOT be done to coerce, manipulate or force God into doing our bidding. God isn't a genie. He owns everything anyway and doesn't need our hands to give him.


[size=20pt]2. Some believers operate in a special grace of giving.[/size] Gombs put the following comment right after the point ''Gbam (We aint just showing off)''. I want to assume he was only trying to make it interesting.

True some folks will be more selfless than others (we even see non Christians blow the mind with their generosity to some worthy humanitarian course e.g the AIDS and Ebola epidemics) but of course, motive is important. Like the first point Hagin talked about, some have heard some fantastic 'testimony' of how one man sowed an only car and reaped a car manufacturing company or sowed all his money and reaped a bank (hypothetical cases) and they decide to follow suit. God doesn't work that way. God doesn't work by a formula (Hagin also talked about this on pg 117). If you're led to, go ahead and do but don't do it because you heard someone else did and reaped something fabulous. Lets always be guided by the scripture below

2 Cor 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Be very sure its your purpose and you were not manipulated or sweet talked into doing it, then give out of Love and out of Love alone.

Endorsed! +1like

*Standing Ovation

Thanks for sticking to the book bro...you always stand out! #Tuale

^^
Mba was so right! Now, read what my Jesus said to the WinsomeX's of His day

John 10 KJV
34 Jesus answered them WinsomeX, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

 35  If he called them gods, [size=16pt]unto whom the word of God came, [/size] and the scripture cannot be broken;

I hope you don't have comprehension problems, like some of your ilk?

2 Corinthians 10 KJV
4  ( For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )

 5  Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Them never see confusion sef! TBJ shall refute every tongue that rises against him in judgement. Amen!

PastorKun:
For me I derive fulfilment in being able to use this section to share to true gospel of Christ with thousands of people who regularly visit this section. This true gospel is based on love and his greatest and most important commandment is to Love one and other as he has Loved us. This is a point most professing christians miss whilst they give a lot of attention to the more mundane issues and even man made injunctions like tithing that bear no relevance to christianity.

It'd have been a miracle if you didn't mention tithe.

I have also enjoyed using this platform to decimate disseminate to good news to fellow believers that contrary to popular teachings in some churches, a christian is under no obligation to tithe but is encouraged to give freely as he purposes in his heart.

Fixed

Back to OP, I learnt alot.... I met Joagbaje here, and alot other wonderful folks. Rhapsody of Realities thread on Nairaland has been blessing to me and a lot others. Glory to God!

WinsomeX:
Very very easy to come to whatever conclusion you wish on any experience. But the Christian has a barometer; we have a plumb line we measure everything with; it is called the word of God. Anything outside it, experience or smelling, is not the will of God.

hehehehehheheheheh

WinsomeX:
So because you had an experience that was similar to the one Hagin had; and because it was Hagin who had such an experience, it must be of God? Wonderful. This only proves one thing: you are Word of Faith in spirit and in truth. However, it calls your Christianity into doubt. Because where they were first called Christians in scriptures and Antioch, no one was ever found laughing in the Spirit.

Remember John's warning that many spirits have gone into the world. These are manifestations of their works.

Was Hagin the first to have experienced it? If you haven’t, does that make it not of God? You have not experienced 1/1, 000, 000, 000th of the Holy Spirit, and I can understand that, for eg You have never casted out demons, nor smell them, just because the Bible did not expressly say anything about them smelling, does that mean it is not true?

I do not have your time today or this week, but surely I will.

--

Bidam:
You never know this guy, he has opened a thread already about mysticism inviting me.

I know he would!

I clearly remember a group of us praying together in the university when the Holy Ghost fell on us, we were laughing and crying at the same time, it is a realm that you enter into by the sovereign will of the Father, it doesn't come often though, i cannot forget that experience, i saw a white cloud of glory envelop us, we were drunk with the wine of the Spirit.

They would never experience it, because of their ridiculing things they do not understand! Sad for them

Do you know we spent 3hrs in that state without even realising it? It was as if it was 10minutes, after that a joy unspeakable flooded our souls and we kept prophesying to one another.

That was why I understood why folks of old thought em disciples were drunk after the Holy Spirit fell on them.

Let me clear the air concerning the issue of angels. Scripture is clear that they are ministering spirits dispatched by heavenly command to minister "FOR" those who are the heirs of salvation. The greek word "for"(dia) is very important. It indicates that there are two levels of sending in angelic activity. First heaven sends them to us to serve us, the church, and then they minister for(dia) us as we release them to perform their invisible spiritual functions in the warfare.There is a technology behind this really. The technology is further revealed in Psalm 103:20,21. We are told the angels "excel" in strength, the hebrew word means they are warriors. They are action oriented, their warfare is explosive and strong and their strength is released in active doing. They do His word.

Forget these guys, I already explained the greek for ministering and minister in that Hebrews if they cannot understand plain English, how would they greek?

The secret is that they heed the voice of His word, they do not respond to the divine intent of God by itself, but they need the spoken word of God to be released. The word "heed" is a hebrew word that means "to hear intelligently with an implication of instant obedience in action". The word "voice" means to call aloud and "word"(dabar) means a thing spoken forth.

E don do o... you'd worsen their confusion. Leave Hebrew and Greek

This is to say that these mighty warring exceedingly strong angels who are obedient to act instantly in agreement with divine intent, will hear intelligently and obey in powerful action when the word in the mind of God is uttered forth aloud through human lips in the earth. They minister for us the church. If we speak out the things that is in the mind of God( praying in the Spirit and also with scriptural insights and understanding), then the angelic powers in the spirit realm with praises and blessing on their lips go out to fight and win.

Not only do they advance the battle for us, they also act as a security force in the spirit realm to guard against enemy backlash. God issues a specific command on this in Psalam 91:11-13.

https://s11.postimg.org/jhgiqonjn/salute_RP.gif

I would have loved you to get a copy of Noel woodroffe on governmental prayer. My God! That guy is a blessing.

Bro, they haven't finished comprehending Midas touch, you want to compound their ignorance?

WinsomeX:
We are getting closer to the crux of the matter.

Thank you for your bold assertion. It is noted.

I sometimes laugh while praying, alot of times, it depicts victory. I never saw Hagin do it, neither did pastor chris teach me that while praying, I should laugh (very silly, right?) and seeing it, boy! I was glad I wasn't just misbehaving. Nlmediator is right, it pisses off the devil, it is NOT a doctrine, it is a level you come up in the spirit realm. Does the fact that you haven’t experienced it mean it is not of God? Now, your next line of defence would be where was it in the Bible? You cannot boldly claim now, that all forms of manifestations of the Holy Spirit was written in the Bible, can you?

That your WoF thread was/is an abysmal and dismal failure pointing to absurdity bro, and that's putting it mildly.