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Yooguyz:
I dunno why I keep having this feeling that the handle behind the moniker mbaemeka is a prominent Pastor in Nigeria.

I don't think he is, but I know he's a well seasoned teacher! He writes like he studied under Paul directly . The Bereans has got nothing on him. You should see Nlmediator in WORDIOLOGY or WORDIOGRAPHY.

How have you been? Been a while bro!

mbaemeka:
Mark 11:12-14 MSG

As they left Bethany the next day, he was hungry. Off in the distance he saw a fig tree in full leaf. He came up to it expecting to find something for breakfast, but found nothing but fig leaves. (It wasn’t yet the season for figs.) He addressed the tree: “No one is going to eat fruit from you again—ever!” And his disciples overheard him.




When the lord of Harvest comes to ask you what you have done with the talents he gave you. Please tell him it was not your time of harvest/ season to be fruitful etc. Let us hear his response to you.

*Standing Ovation

^^
so, after reading through, this was your summary?
1. "So the reason we go to church, etc, is to have people."

2. Preachers are simply reminders.

Your opinions are duly noted

[size=20pt]Who Will Be There for You in the Crises of Life? [/size] chapter 5, pages 107-109

Sooner or later, all of us experience some of the crises of life, and it's important to have somewhere to turn and to have caring people sustain us.
For example, what would you do if you were depending on a TV program to be your pastor and you ended up in the hospital with a serious illness? Who would come to pray for you and encourage you to trust in God?

What if one of your loved ones passed away? Could you call that TV preacher to come comfort you, help you make the final arrangements, and conduct the funeral? Would anyone prepare food and bring it to your house for those who were grieving with you?

What if your son or daughter wanted to get married? Who would provide the premarital counseling, minister to the wedding party, and perform the marriage ceremony? Would you be able to depend on your radio pastor or TV church to meet your needs?
Don't you count on it!

There are times when you want and need the presence and touch of real, live, flesh-and-blood people you can trust. You need the support and help of people who know and love you— family members.

Acts chapter 4 tells about an incident in the life of Peter and John that illustrates what I'm talking about. After speaking healing to a crippled beggar outside the temple in Jerusalem and preaching Jesus to the crowd that had gathered, Peter and John were arrested by the religious leaders and put in jail overnight. After being questioned and threatened, they finally were released.

What do you do when you've tried to help others and take a stand for the Lord only to be persecuted for your efforts? Where do you go when you've been put in jail overnight and then dumped out on the street? What did Peter and John do?

The Bible says, "And being let go, they went to their own company . . . " (Acts 4:23). They knew where to go when they got in trouble. They didn't go listen to tapes or read a book. They didn't listen to Brother Smith's radio broadcast or watch his TV program. They went to find the people who knew and loved them—fellow believers who shared their faith.

I believe Peter and John's "company" of friends gave them a place to take a bath and clean up and provided them with some clean clothes. Then they fixed them something to eat and listened while Peter and John told what had happened to them. Afterwards, they all prayed together until the Holy Ghost fell and shook the house. Then they continued to speak the Word of God with boldness (see Acts 4:31).

We all need our own company of believers, don't we? If we just stay home and listen to someone preach on radio or TV, we don't have any company! We need a place to go where we can find people of God. We need to meet together to support and help each other and to mobilize our resources to do God's work and carry out the Great Commission. That's why God tells us not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together in the local church (Heb. 10:25).

That's why it's more important to support your local church financially than to give anywhere else. Pay your tithes to your local church to help it carry out all its work and outreaches. Yes, there are other worthy ministries that are also deserving of your support. Don't leave them out; send offerings to assist their work as God blesses you and makes it possible for you to share.

As you follow this pattern, I believe God will use you to help bless your church and pastoral staff and to prosper other good men and women of God who are accomplishing great things for the Lord. And I also believe that God will meet all your needs and abundantly bless you—spiritually, physically, and materially. Only then will you experience the true meaning of prosperity.

Candour, i endorse your post.

BabaGnoni:
https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif
You edited your post, to just add that
The snide's too strong for you,
you couldn't resist it. Tut-tut-tut

Eyaa!

Bidam:
Man can sow seeds anytime of the year taking into cognizance the climatic conditions. God sets the harvest time, i may agree with you that it may be predictable by man, let me also make another analogy of childbirth, doctors may know the expected date of delivery but not the Exact date of delivery. That is SET by God the Father, just as no one knows when the son of God will restore the kingdom to isreal but only the Father knows. We only know the season of the endtime but not the exact date. So also is harvest. Scripture records that can a nation be born in a day? For as soon as Zion travails she brought forth. We only apply Faith to the things of God, whether it is healing, finances, needs even salvation of souls, if it occurs now Glory to God, if it doesn't occur now, we water it with prayers and the Word of God until it becomes manifest by the SET time of God.Even Elijah had to be sure the seventh time by sending his servant when he was on his knees praying after there was no rain for 3 and a half yrs.

[KJV] Ecclesiastes 11:6 In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thine hand: for thou knowest not whether shall prosper, either this or that, or whether they both shall be alike good.

Now, let them use seasons and timings to interpret this one,.This shows that it's our job to sow, no matter what, like Isaac, not minding circumstances, this is spiritual principles in faith. Same was what Paul taught, sowing and reaping.

God bless you bro

BabaGnoni:
^^^
“When breeze blow, fowl yansh go open nau"
- that one na sure banker

What you fail and do not want to acknowledge is the IRRIGATION (i.e. imported/foreign technology from Egypt) Isaac adopted.
You kept mum about that.
Oh sorry I take it back, as it seems you weren't aware of the IRRIGATION bit (i.e. you lifted your bit, word for word, off another person's)

I acknowledge the irrigation, it was not necessary to put up. The irritation helps vooks in understanding that there was actually a famine sef.

If not for irrigation, how the plants dem for grow?

Candour:
go sidon naughty Gombs if only you could have done same with our firstfruits discussion even with mbaemeka's exchanges with me on the issue.

On the placing of Gerar, you and Mba were right afterall. I'm happy sha that i was the only one who held that view. Even vooks wasn't saying the same thing as me. Freedom of thoughts even among 'allies' as against herd mentality.

Thanks bro... I don sidon

BabaGnoni:
OK, enough of the games Gombs is playing at here.

He had access to valuable and useful information but stored it away after hacking off the bit that suits him.

I wont paste a picture capture as the antispamBot currently behaves funny at that
- I am tempted to paste a screen shot capture but wont as the antispamBot will likely hide it and slap me with a posting ban again

What I will do is, leave the URL of the site from where you "copied and pasted, word for word" from, as seen repeated below, for your post:

"Up to this point, Isaac was going by formula. But when the Lord appeared to him, he said He did not want Isaac to go to Egypt, but rather to stay in Canaan and the Lord promised to bless him there (where famine was raging). The Lord was doing a different thing in Isaac's day than Abraham's and it was critical to flow with His plan. The same is true for every generation" - © Gombs

Chai!. Like "Baba", like "spiritual son". Xerox has nothing on you.
Gombs! I shift one of my cheeks for you. This behaviour resembles that of "Baba" you're just as lazy as the dada of WoF "Baba"
- Small time, will be coming here fronting and forming "intellect"

I read about Isaac's irrigation witty idea a few years ago, so I set out searching for it, as I wasn't on the laptop I bookmarked the site on, only to find Gombs has lifted some of the information off the site but stopped short on sharing the irrigation that made reaping in famine possible for Isaac

For anyone trying to get more understanding on how Isaac came about the IRRIGATION witty idea etcetera, the website has the full account.
- No point in me reinventing the wheel or rehashing the information here again

ISAAC SOWED IN FAMINE by Gary Carpenter
http://www.garycarpenter.org/teach1.html

Cry me a river!

God bless Gary Carpenter. Play the plagiarism card. Na you sabi.

What matter is that it stopped an error. Meanwhile, someone else quoted him, and I did... if you wanted me to put up references, then keep waiting

It was your studios nature and intellect that gave birth to Eve and...

Candour:
ok then i conceed.

You are way different! It takes humility to admit wrong, that my friend is commendable! Much respect sir!

mbaemeka:
1. The bible says it was the same land. So the only thing that changed from vs 1-12 was the years past.

2. Vs12 was connected to Vs' 13 and 14. He became very great- in the same year- the Philistines envied. If not so, they should have sown in the same land like he was doing instead of envy him for his seemingly insurmountable success.

Bro, free that guy

Enough schooling for one day please

nannymcphee:
when u click on the start button on a windows OS, who/what causes the options to appear, bill gates or the programmer or the OS itself that has been programmed to do such?

When you fall from a cliff, is it God or Gravity?

Question was, who set those natural laws in place? Simple

mbaemeka:
Candour,

Genesis 10:19 NLT

and the territory of Canaan extended from Sidon in the north to Gerar and Gaza in the south, and east as far as Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboiim, near Lasha.

Besides, I used a Map to take my position. You can readily check one online.

No need to go online. God bless you jare. He should notice the above bold on the map.

Candour:
Actually, you're wrong. Let's start from the Son's of Noah in Genesis chapter 10.

Noah had 3 sons namely; Shem, Ham and Japhet. Ham had 4 sons namely; Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan

The Sons of Mizraim are Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, and Cashluhim (out of whom came Philistim or Philistine) and Caphtorim.

The sons of Canaan are Sidon, Heth, Jebusites, Amorite, Girgashite, Hivite, Arkite, Sinite, Arvadite, Zemarite and Hamathithe

We can see that Mizraim and Canaan are clearly differentiated and the Philistines (Philistim) are clearly not listed among the descendants of Canaan which God promised Abraham will lose their lands to his descendants. In fact out of the great-grand children of Ham, only Philistim (Philistines) was mentioned and i believe it was because of the great antagonism they were going to cause the Israelites down the pages of history.

Gen 10:19
And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, [size=14pt]as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha[/color]

The bible said the Canaanites border was from Sidon ''as thou comest to Gerar'' It didn't say the border was from Sidon unto and including Gerar.

God differentiated between Canaanites and the Philistines when he enumerated the descendants of Ham and he also demarcated the lands in the scripture above.

Gerar was to the south of Canaan, it doesn't mean Gerar is a part of Canaan. Just like Cotonou is west of Nigeria doesn't mean Cotonou is a part of Nigeria.

Isaac reaped far above his neighbours who even owned the land is the message we got there.

Bobo, look... Bible said plain English. See what I said

If you look at a map of the land during Isaac's generation, you will see that Gerar is the last inhabited city in Canaan before entering the Wilderness of Shur along the well traveled caravan route between the nation of the Philistines and Egypt.

Now study the map below, notice where Judah is! If you still want to argue, fine.

Bidam:
Good, now you are coming up to my scriptural level of reasoning, who set those natural laws in place?

Nice

Mba, our post wan come similar o!

The truth is one jare! God bless you

Notice the timing!

nannymcphee:
We have left "seed time" & "harvest", its now famine!!

First things first, Gombs why did the bible say seedtime & harvest(without time) ?

mbaemeka, care to join?

LambanoPeace, also comment because you started the whole thing!

Okies... Bidam has answered that na

Bidam:
I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude...Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE

If you are not satisfied, open a thread and invite us all. Thanks

Candour:
i was still typing and pushed submit icon before time. See the full write up incase you missed it up there

Candour na!

Yet when the famine spread in the day of his son Israel, the Bible said it was all over the earth, even if it wasn't, but famine was able to spread from Israel to Egypt.
Gerar - means "lodging-place" – it was a Philistine town and district in what is today south central Israel. Gerar was in Cannan. Isaac moved from one point in Canaan to another, but he was still in Canaan...Study na! Please.

If you look at a map of the land during Isaac's generation, you will see that Gerar is the last inhabited city in Canaan before entering the Wilderness of Shur along the well traveled caravan route between the nation of the Philistines and Egypt.

Up to this point, Isaac was going by formula. But when the Lord appeared to him, he said He did not want Isaac to go to Egypt, but rather to stay in Canaan and the Lord promised to bless him there (where famine was raging). The Lord was doing a different thing in Isaac's day than Abraham's and it was critical to flow with His plan. The same is true for every generation.

If Gera was in Cannan, how then was Gerar not affected be the famine?

Anyways, I'm not here to convince you. Thanks

Image123:
Just to help you, he's only more sly. Like a well with the dirt settled under. #iknowhim.

Well, you're right

Candour:
Actually Gombs, lot of conclusions we've drawn from scripture that scripture didn't actually say. This unfortunately is one of them. let's examine

You did not see Vooks' blunder right? I understand

Examine the verse yourself. Thanks

Image, Bidam, mba...see why sometimes, I wonder whether discussions here with some folks are worth it, but just so that the don't miskead others I stay.

Imagine those who claim to be true Bible teachers having little or no idea of Bible knowledge. Next thing would be to create a new moniker like Drummaboy aka WinsomeX, but like the saying goes, a lizard in a better environment would only evolve to be an alligator, not a new specie of animal. WinsomeX has made his own blunder too, chiefly was the fact he said Jesus mentioned power on twice in the Bible!

God be my strength to endure more!

vooks:
Nonsense. Nobody sowed anything during famine nowhere in the scriptures

You are yet to explain to us what Harvest in Genesis means not to mention seed time.

Please tell me why Jesus cursed a tree out of season

Na wa o! Candour, you see the kind people I debate scriptures with? Oya, go to Genesis 26, from verse 1, especially veree 12. His name was isaac!

Shame on you! You claim to know, but you keep making simpleton outta yourself. Simple Bible studying o!

I'm done with you, neonates and sissies are not worth the time.

Cheers

vooks:
You are wallowing in equivocation jumping between spiritual and physical.
Can you plant at ANY time of the year any plant like wheat or corn?

Redundancy.
There was this guy in the Bible that sowed in famine time-not a favorable time, a wrong time, the circumstances were against him, ...emm, sombody please remind me his name...he decided to sow into the land, he sowed anytime, there was always a time to sow. It is decided by the sower, God gives seed to the sower, it is the sower's job to sow. Moses and God were not playing grammar class when they wrote down "seedtime and harvest" instead of "seed time and harvest time" as a lot of you wish it was.

I am not mixing physical and spiritual, call nannymcphee, she was the one talking about seasons and natural course and semantics. When Isaac sowed did he consider weather, seasons and natural course? Was he being spiritual or carnal like you lot? When Jesus went to harvest fruits when it was not the tree's fruiting period, was he considering the harvesting season as you carnal lot keep bringing in natural seasons and course?

Meanwhile, I other new, you cunningly avoiding this question... for obvious reasons. See it here again

Can you explain why Jesus went to a tree and demanded for a fruit even when He knew it was not its time of fruiting?

vooks:
Gombs it is your turn
What does seed-time in Genesis means?
What does harvest mean?

Bidam:
I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude...Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE

i don't practice redundancy! it is not my fault you have reading and comprehension problems.

Can you explain why Jesus went to a tree and demanded for a fruit even when He knew it was not its time of fruiting?

nannymcphee:
maybe you should read my initial post, it was directed at lambanopeace & not you. I only asked you to check the post with reference to your question

speaking on ineptitude, that verse again talks about the natural course of events & wasn't talking about sowing seeds as churches have used it to preach.

I believe in application of the word, even if that verse is used to buttress sowing & reaping, that time, was not added to "harvest" is inconsequential, the same way "time" was not added to the other things listed, even though they were all times & seasons & phases.

You believe in the application of the Word? ok, Sowing and reaping came from where? OT or NT. if it's the OT, why like Bidam asked did Paul taght about it?

This is just semantics, the same way someone can say seed phase or seed planting phase, will you cry out & say its not biblical

Semantics shey? Just semantics? Genesis was written by INSPIRATION of God, by Moses. Was God playing semantics? or Moses heard wrong and hence wrote wrong.

It is churches that are twisting that verse to mean that when you sow seeds, there is no set time for your harvest, it can come any time, just because there was no time attached to "harvest" in that scripture.

your opinion is noted though!
Cheers

BabaGnoni:
Though against my better judgement I will quote you.
- My apologies to all those that have to re-read your diarrhea of the mouth above there

Read the whole of Psalms 82 from where Jesus quoted John 10.34 to get the context of the whole gist
OT hebrew elohim used for judges, came before NT greek, theo. That NT relies on OT for its interpretation

so, like i asked before, God was speaking to judges shey?

Yall must be envied the way you work so hard to pass "GOD" and "god" as God
You are divinity? Right I doff my hat to you. Ride on. SMH

go siddon for corner joor... na me write greek? if it was in support of you delusions, you would have quoted it into delirium. Wait for clowns who'd believe yor heresies like you know, Eve and....

Bidam:
I am tired of repetitions. Who set the time for harvest in that verse of scripture you quoted?

Good question some people cannot answer

Bidam:
I am not a CE member, Let me help your scriptural ineptitude... Seed time is set by MAN, the time for harvest is SET BY GOD, whatever meanings you read into scriptures ARE your insinuations. Paul planted, Appolo watered, who gives the INCREASE

chaaaaaaaaaaaaai, bidam, how did you steal my thought o! Nannymcphee, please get a biro and notepad.. take notes (notice the plural)

remember when Jesus went to a tree to get frit even when it was not its season of fruiting? Harvest is set by God.. but they cant know this.

Bidam:
Did you ignore the fact that her post mentioned there is seedtime but nothing like harvesttime or are you being mischievious here? Take time to read peoples post before replying na.

very apt advice bro!

vooks:
It's first mentioned in
Genesis 8:22 (KJV)
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

For NT application of the same and specifically with regard to WOF and abuse of scriptures, ask your matey Bidam

where did you now get harvest time?

Bidam:
So quit the snide remrks,side talks attacking people and straw clutching and tell us your interpretations on the law of sowing and reaping in Paul's epistles. Borrow a leaf from your ally candour and attack the message not the messenger.

Candour is leagues away from them! Light years ahead sef