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In the next couple of days, I'd be sharing the above book, and it's a book on balanced approach to biblical prosperity. What's God's mind about prosperity, and why we should be careful prosperity principles in the Bible should not be abused and how to avoid false practices, as it were, the possibility of abuse is very possible.

It is a 196 paged book, and has 9 chapters. Get the book here and we can roll smoother.

These topics includes

1. Was Jesus poor? (read to see that my Jesus was not a broke man)

2. The purpose of prosperity (another classic)

3. Should preachers prosper? (Mouth watering I tell ya!)

4. 24 principles from the Epistles regarding money, givin and receiving (A must read) .

5. Our authority in the area of finances.

And most importantly,

6. Avoiding abuses and false practices

Here are the few points he made;

1. Financial prosperity is not the only measure of God’s blessing. Hagin wrote: “If wealth alone were a sign of spirituality, then drug traffickers and crime bosses would be spiritual giants. Material wealth can be connected to the blessings of God or it can be totally disconnected from the blessings of God.”

2. . The “hundredfold return” is not a biblical concept. Hagin did the math and figured out that if this bizarre notion were true, “we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!” He rejected the teaching that a believer should claim a specific monetary payback rate.

3. Preachers who claim to have a “debt-breaking” anointing should not be trusted. Hagin was perplexed by ministers who promise “supernatural debt cancellation” to those who give in certain offerings. He wrote in The Midas Touch: “There is not one bit of Scripture I know about that validates such a practice. I’m afraid it is simply a scheme to raise money for the preacher, and ultimately it can turn out to be dangerous and destructive for all involved.”

4. Jesus was not a poor man

5. We cannot move this gospel with out money and God sure wants His kids prosperous.

6. Poverty does NOT produce piety (reverence and devotion to God)

7. Jesus defeated the works of the devil, including povery and lack

Hagin wrote: “Overemphasizing or adding to what the Bible actually teaches invariably does more harm than good.” 

This thread is of necessity to draw a fine line between abusing a biblical principle, and saying these principles are not biblical at all! Join me and Papa Hagin, as we try to let folks know, prosperity is of God, but abusing these principles by Preachers or anybody as the case maybe,are all together a different ball game.

Cheers

Cc:LambanoPeace
Bidam
Mbaemeka
Alwaystrue
Image123
Kenny4lyf
Nannymcphee

LambanoPeace:
I got caught up in this thread again, and I must say, you guys are well cunning. In ths said book, I've read it and you all decided to twist it, some even acting a script as if they were in the meeting, assuming it held.

Now, why did you lot skip the other wonderful topics like
1.was Jesus poor (I loved the way the man explained it all)

2. The purpose of prosperity (another classic)

3. Should preachers prosper? (Another wonderful display of wisdom of God)

4. 24 principles from the Epistles regarding money, givin and receiving (A must read) . Weird enough, folks here didn't see it.

Then the Almighty chapter 6. Hagin was simply saying avoiding abuses and false practice, and he was so right. Never was he against giving or seed sowing. I thank you all for this book, gonna recommend it to alot of people. Hagin was indeed a blessing to the body.

Let me pm gombs, a thread on this book won't be a bad idea. He knows how to make it juicy!

I don't see why you guys are twisting what he said. Read the book and be wiser in regards giving. How on earth did you guys make some of your conclusions here makes me marvel. It's a 196 paged book, 2 hours is too much to finish it.

Got the book, expect a thread tomorrow. Thanks for the shout out.

I hope the world learns from these great topics. Keep shining.

PastorKun:
Na only you waka come?

You still have no clue what is going on.

I'd quote you January 2015

3 months don waka.

PastorKun:
Olodo you have no idea what is going on behind the scene

Did anybody bothered checking the link?

Nta news ko. Bbc ni ...another loose Blogger seeking traffic. I thought NTA news ended with .tv not .com?

OLAADEGBU:
Question: "Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection?"

Answer: There is a great deal of confusion in regards to this question. This concept comes primarily from the Apostles' Creed, which states, “He descended into hell.” There are also a few Scriptures which, depending on how they are translated, describe Jesus going to “hell.” In studying this issue, it is important to first understand what the Bible teaches about the realm of the dead.

In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means the “place of the dead” or the “place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent of sheol is hades which also refers to “the place of the dead.” Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicate that sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 gives a clear distinction between the two. [size=20pt]Hell (the lake of fire) is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost.[/size] Hades is a temporary place. So, no, Jesus did not go to hell because hell is a future realm, only put into effect after the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).

Sheol/hades was a realm with two divisions—a place of blessing and a place of judgment (Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27–31), the abodes of the saved and the lost. The abode of the saved is called “Abraham's bosom” (KJV) and “Abraham’s side” (NIV) in Luke 16:22. The abode of the unsaved is called “hell” (KJV) or “Hades” (NIV) in Luke 16:23. The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus died, He went to the blessed side of sheol and, from there, took the believers with Him to heaven/paradise (Ephesians 4:8–10). The judgment side of sheol/hades has remained unchanged. All unbelieving dead go there awaiting their final judgment in the future. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according to Ephesians 4:8–10 and 1 Peter 3:18–20.

Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages as Psalm 16:10–11 as translated in the King James Version, “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. . . . Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a correct translation in this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43); He did not say, “I will be with you in hell.” Jesus’ body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to be with the blessed in sheol/hades. Unfortunately, in many versions of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,” and “hell.”

Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “hell” or the suffering side of sheol/hades in order to further be punished for our sins. This idea is completely unbiblical. It was the death of Jesus on the cross and His suffering in our place that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that effected our own cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7-9). As He hung there on the cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. He became sin for us: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This imputation of sin helps us understand Christ's struggle in the garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin which would be poured out upon Him on the cross.

When Jesus cried upon the cross, “Oh, Father, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46), it was then that He was separated from the Father because of the sin poured out upon Him. As He gave up His spirit, He said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46). His suffering in our place was completed. His soul/spirit went to hades (the place of the dead). Jesus did not go to “hell” or the suffering side of hades; He went to “Abraham’s side” or the blessed side of hades. Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return to glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to hell? No. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-go-to-hell.html#ixzz3GWr7SAry

Oh no Ola, hell and Lake of fire are not the same thing. You need me to pull the proof for you from the Bible?

^^
Ah! Finally.

A quick question mate! What part of hell did Jesus defeat the Devil as a man, and collected the Adamic authority and power of death? Secondly, what part of hell was he dragged to after He was made sin, and the Farher separated from Him? I see you concluded He went to Hades, where men like Abraham were, question, were those there in Hades with sin? Why then one who’s made sin went there with them?

Cultivate An Excellent Character · Sunday, October 19th

Pastor Chris

Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power: Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father’s bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch (Genesis 49:3-4).

It’s possible for someone to have so much ability or be gifted with a certain skill, yet when such a skill is required, that individual isn’t chosen, because he or she doesn’t have the right character. If you’d build your mind and develop the right mental structures, sooner or later, you’ll see the manifestations in your personality. "Mental structure" in this context, doesn’t mean imaginations and reasoning; rather, it means attitudes that you’ve cultivated over time that control your actions.

For instance, someone may have a great voice but he’s unable to make good music. Not because his voice isn’t fantastic, but because he’s not trained and disciplined to make the most of his gift. We read about Reuben in our opening scripture. Reuben’s character and ability collided. He was the beginning of Jacob’s strength, the excellence of his wisdom. That means Jacob invested so much in him, but he was unstable as water; therefore, he wasn’t going to excel.

The Hebrew word for "unstable" is "Pachaz," which also means frothiness, to be unrestrained and undisciplined. Reuben was undependable as foamy water. He had the ability to be someone influential and prosperous, but his character wouldn’t let him excel.

The ability to take on more assignments because of your performance is an excellent character. That means, you’re dependable and when there’s an innovation to be actualized, you readily come to mind. But there’re those who are never thought of, to handle responsibilities, because they aren’t dependable.

Become the best of you by cultivating the right character. Inside you are hidden treasures; you came into this world with a unique personality. There’s something you possess that nobody else in the whole world has; hence it’s important to find your place, and be the best of that peculiar you.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the investment of your Word in me, and the training that I receive through the Spirit, which has helped me form an excellent character. I recognize and take advantage of your grace in me to do more, and attain higher heights of greatness, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
 Psalms 119:9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

 Daniel 6:3 3  Then this Daniel was preferred above the presidents and princes, because an excellent spirit was in him; and the King thought to set him over the whole realm.

Acts 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

1 year Bible reading plan: 1 Timothy 1:1-20 Jeremiah 5-6
2 year Bible reading plan : Hebrews 9:11-28 Ezekiel 17

WinsomeX:
Be my guest...

I hope I get no mentions on this thread.

#Peace

WinsomeX:
It's not anyone playing any card at all. It's urging our friend to mature in thoughts.

There are many people who one disagrees with on this forum. Many who are obviously young but their presentations here do not show it. Why would a faceless forum so easily reveal an individual's age if not that he is very immature.

So it's no card playing at all; it's the truth. There is no point playing any card at all in the first place seeing that his discussion here had been so thoroughly rebutted that he ran away to again return in his usual childish undecided ways.

Bull crap!

Save your write up for clowns! I'm surely gonna cause you more brain damage, being childish or not! I'm gonna through faith subdue kingdoms (even nairaland), wrought righteousness, obtained promise, stop the mouths of lions (especially elders and true gospel preachers on NL) .. you better start getting used to it.

You aint seen nothing yet, I'd make you leave this your moniker for another like you left Drummaboy. Say me hi to ibadan folks.

LambanoPeace:
See the so called 'elders' attacking a 'kid'. #Shameless

Now shey it's to attack the messenger? Typical hypocrites, But Gombs, you sure got them pained.

What has age got to do with the knowledge of the Word? Are you folks saying the older you get the better the knowledge? Timothy was about 34 when he pastored the whole Ephesus, google how old was Appolos and The rest.

Oya, call me kid...bunch of misfits trying to get personal whenever there cornered by their lie. I can now understand why the Pharisees hated the young man Jesus, for they thought how can this 32 year old kid be forming senior?

Gombs, fire on jare

Calm down ma'am, I've known these blokes for 5years online... I know them very very well. You should see them in tithes thread, if you think this is personal, visit any old tithe thread and see. Some went as far as searching for gombs online, some went to my twitter handle etc etc...

If not for rules on NL and sanctity, I'd have put up most of their info...I don't get personal online,especially NL.... elders here do, make me wonder whether elders here are morally bankrupt

WinsomeX:
You are called a kid because you reason like one.

If an eighty year old write the things you write on this forum, he should be called a kid.

Coming from an experience as a failed Blogger or what?

This is a faceless forum. If an individual is really mature, regardless of his true age, it will show. Nl is like smoke. Sooner or later the real individual behind the monicker will show.

You are mature? And it shows? Meeeehn, I thought I've seen it all on NL?
Dear Lord!

These are the things WoF thrive on:

Simple minds

Anti intellectualism

Emotions

Immaturity

Mysticism

A quest for the supernatural

Greed

Lack of contentment

... qualities that abound in kids.

Again with the WOF thing! Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha

I gree o! If you think you're getting on my nerve, better have a rethink.

Boy! This shows how much pain I cause some fellas here. Buddy! No get HBP...see them wanting to attack me with 'age' line. Mtcheeeeèeeeeeeeeew. Makes me remember how 'kid' Jesus schooled em Elder Pharisees.

Lobeez:
I've read through a lot of your posts so its very easy to profile you. I was just like you a decade ago

My Mum used to tell me that what an adult sees sitting, a child may not see it standing.

Enjoy the moment, cos you have just a few years to snap back to reality

False hope again!

Lobeez:
@nannymcphee,
You probably don't understand how much good you have done for yourself.
@Gombs is still a young kid so he's all fired up now but reality will meet him in no distant future .

false hope. I wonder why you guys make such assumptions. interesting gesture.

I like when you folks call me a kid,i so love it. Makes me want to envy teens ministry.

thanks again!

[quote author=nannymcphee post=27246887]

do you know the amount of people who will benefit from this thread, threads like this, causes you to ask questions & check your convictions

I've answered this, I repeat, I will not be an instrument in you application of logic to the Word of God. Simple, if others want to answer you, fine.

I don't see this as war but you do, as for the things I have done ministry wise, you have no idea & u probably think I'm lying about them

Anyone or anything fighting my conviction of the Word, a Word I studied for myself and believed, and saw results (notice the plural), is surely making war with me. I don't think you are lying, I think you are grossly exaggerating.

I don't need to "write" to my pastor, I have direct access to him & I already know his answer, it's still the very thing this threads seeks to correct

If your Pastor's answer is not enough for you, seek those of another, and another... that's why you should listen to the WindowsX et al. One Pastor Pastor's your Pastor and my pastor, and Mbaemeka's. Our answers would be likely same. So, maybe you should ask JW or Catholics or redeem (redeem and winners might have likely answer to your Pastor's, who you now think you are wiser than-Absalom also thought he was now wiser than David, go study how he ended). For you'd not accept any opinion except those you've made your mind on. As for the viewers, trust me, they'll make a sound judgement. Facts has already been laid side by side, what you are doing now is PR damage control.

so long boy, I look forward to the day the scale will fall off your eyes

You're gonna wait a long long time granny! You so are!

Say me hi to those on the scales-fallen-off side. I wish you all well

My outreach meeting is by 3pm...let me go and pray. See you later in the day!

nannymcphee:
A little definition will be helpful

1. What does it mean to be materially wealthy?

2. The "physical riches" that Christ gave to us as Christians, who determines the level or amount of these riches, a Christian will have

Is it God or the individual based on his knowledge & understanding of this provision

3. If all Christians acquire this knowledge/understanding of the "physical riches" in Christ(by this I mean if they give equally, pray equally etc) will they all command the same amount of wealth

4.can you please state how one can strike a balance in the quest for material prosperity


Gombs, mbaemeka, Image123, bidam your input will be appreciated

most Christians who have believed this prosperity message, have this view that they must be mega rich, enjoy the best things of life

so answers to the above questions will help put things in the right perspective

Write to your Pastor if you seek knowledge, or write Pastochrislive. I'd not be an instrument to you application of logic to God’s Word. Else, ask them WindowsX or shedemidemi to put things in the right perspective for you

Image123:
demisquare, the fellow who's eternally confused on who the bible is talking to.

Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha
Jesu mi o! Erin yoo ko pa mi oni

Erin yoo ko pa mi oni. Egbon mi, oti to.

The bible is talking to you in case you still dunno. Well, you hardly addressed my post or point, failed to answer any of my questionS but demand that i answer yours, typical.
Your friend thinks Philippians 4:19 is just some man's random prayer, thankfully you think it is a guaranteed promise. Good for you and of you. i quoted Philippians and didn't say anything about wants, i wonder why you bring that up. i find it pathetic that you referred to Job's trial as his best time, weird fellow you. Prayer isn't an act of unbelief by the way. Prayer is asking, seeking and knocking. Read Jeremiah 29. i think around verses 10-15. Jesus said God will give to those that ASK Him(referring to the Holy Spirit). The Holy Spirit was also promised i think.

I see you have a very detailed and rich knowledge of the man shedemidemi

Bidam:
The truth of the matter is we should all provide emphasis on important Christian truths. I agree that there are preachers that go to the extreme on the message of prosperity but when "groups" rise to correct this overemphasis on prosperity it is unfortunate that in their attempts to correct they often veer of in the opposite extreme- they say because too much of this idea is offensive, let's get rid of it altogether. So on their part it is also wrong. Any christian theology that enhances poverty of saints without the teaching of biblical prosperity is actually demonic.Some folks even on this thread exhibited a shallow warped mentality by saying preachers are rich because they milk their members...well there might be some element of truth in that but to categorically make a blanket statement that all preachers are rich because of tithes and offerings collected from church coffers is a blatant lie from the pit of hell. Since the fellow is a pastor why is he not rich yet.

The truth of the matter is that some preachers are blessed more than other not because they depend on their members but because of the giving lifestyle they practised by following what the word of God says.

I noticed that majority of the folks attacking prosperity here are actually the same folks that are 'mouthing' we do not need healing. It has been done away with and the day of miracle is past in other threads.

They are the ones also attacking ministry gifts saying we don't need pastors and ministers any longer. God is going to use everyone equally.

Even when showed this truth in the bible they bring there own 'eisegesis' inferring what scripture never said. This is as a result of a christianity of convenience.They are not willing to pay the price to study like the berean with a noble attitude. They find it difficult to believe in glaring scriptural truths that God desires his people to prosper materially, maybe as a result of their incosistent walk with God or the "experiences" they had with the former churches they attended.

Paul said we can do nothing against the truth but for the truth. Truth does not change..it is that constant. Truth is no respecter of personsm nations,tribe or tongue..Jesus is truth, God is truth.

And this truth is God's prosperity plan is available for ALL. The prosperity package is available to everyone child of God but the sad part is it is not accessible to everybody.

Having your needs met is not prosperity, it is called welfare. Prosperity is not having money to feed yourself and children. It is not buying lands and building houses all over the place neither is it riding the latest jeep in town. This is the warped thinking of so many including those attacking prosperity.

Prosperity is being blessed in EVERY AREA OF LIFE so YOU CAN BE A BLESSING TO OTHERS.

Abraham is the biblical portrait of God's idea of a blessed man.

Two people the bible says we should look unto is 1.Jesus 2.Abraham.

We are to look unto Jesus who is the author and the perfecter of our faith and we are to look unto Abrham the father of Faith.

Nice piece baba na! Allah ya sa wadanan mutane su waye da wuri, su san maganan Allah ba na kwakwalwa ba, amman na zuciya.

Image123:
@candor
you said you were not interested in talking about tithes. i said you said so, don't let it increase your b.p .

Thanks for the laugh, I needed it o...my cell meeting today is gonna be a unique one. I'm going there to scold some folks, setting them straight. Thanks for making me loosen up!

Image123:
Nanny, when you say no one, recall that the OP says otherwise. i quote " Simply put, this egocentric gospel teaches that God wants believers to be materially wealthy." The OP describes encouraging prayer to God for material provisions as faulty theology. Well, except the OP is "no one". That [size=20pt]Windowsx[/size] of a fellow also said " The error of the Prosperity Gospel is "God wants believers to be materially wealthy". What bible taught you that?" You yourself earlier said there is no direct promise of God providing wealth in the NT. You've being so so skeptical, yet you yourself are a product and testimony of God's material blessings. You wan solo the thing abi? No chance.
It is the right of every child of God to be holy, godly, healthy and wealthy. The price was paid and the promise severally made. Of course, it is God that determines whether an individual is saved, holy, godly, healthy or wealthy or whatever, in a sense.
For instance, this promise below is very new covenant and talks of material blessing.

Ezekiel 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 36:29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. 36:30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.

*falls of chair laughing

Nice piece bro

Image123:
Just seeing this and it's largely my position. Na where the thread for end sef.
#But the last line shock me like agbalumo, Hahahaha. i remember when i said i wasn't interested in talking tithe and this same fellow was on my case as if it was his prerequisite to salvation. Time and chance.

Image123:
If you pray for God to bless you materially, you have no moral right to ask others not to teach that God blesses people materially. It is that basic. It seems the devourer has dealt unfairly to your common sense. Today is 17, make plans for end of the month tithe, lol. Oh you no get church sef, see me later.
Do you pray for material blessings? Is financial increase good news to the poor? Is healing good news to the sick?
i continue to find your breed of Christianity more dangerous than those your "nuggets", because you deceive sincere people with your form of godliness but daily deny the power thereof.

The latter part of your post is spot on!

@Lambanopeace... here I am o! Hope you are good? I see you're about getting acquainted with NL religion section? There are times you just have to watch, and times you have to be 'merciless'... with Nannymcphee, one has to watch her, and watch her new suitors Drummaboy, vooks et al court her properly. I remember the words of Pastor Chris, he said "you don’t have to shout loud and get angry because someone does not believe the truth", this is the opposite with the anti tithe cum anti wealth cum anti miracle etc folks.

Watch it, , they’re gonna create another thread after this, yet, for years no impact. Their anti tithe tract thread was 3 month old on 13th, yet no action, maybe you should visit the thread and see the energy they had!

Me, and all I've met will do this Word, whether it's sweet or not! Giving is not by force, it's a lifestyle we chose, and it's atimes not always convenient, but then, that's why we faint not. For we know the cause we give for, and it's for the vision of the BLW Nation, "Taking God's divine presence to the people and nations of the world, demonstrating the character of the Spirit".

If anyone has issues with my tithing and givings, he should deal with it. I change lives with my monies, not abstractly, but physically. This past 3 months, I've changed 4 cultists and thieves, not to mention the promiscuous ladies, with what? MONEY! MONEY!! MONEY!! Free transportation, free ministry materials, free food money, free airtime etc... and I pray and watch them change. The other day, one of them gave his first, for partnership, N300 for Healing School. I was elated, not because he gave, but because he caught the vision! I watch them make confessions in His name, I watch them bring their friends along to church, tomorrow now, they'd be mega givers, and those writing against prosperity of believers would still keep writing. ALL those who criticize rich believers are broke people (ie they rarely ever give, and before long, they're complaining of lack of money), and they are so because of their criticism, not that they don't work hard.

Watch them, they never create topic to edify the brethren, they always create topics to spurn arguments or spread lies all in the guise of 'exposing the truth'. Never will they discuss soul winning, when you do, they avoid the thread, never will they discuss the supernatural life, when you do they invade it and try to show a new type of message different from the Bible, they never talk about how to take this gospel to Nations with policies against Christianity, when you do, they'd say why should money be involved. They, in short, have a massive and disturbing problem with seeing MONEY and CHURCH in one sentence.

Most folks here against prosperity of believers in the pretence of 'it is not in the NT', HAS NEVER discipled anyone in the way of Christ, if they had, they'd understand alot better. Forget nannymcphee and her 11years in CEC and the imaginary seed she amazingly thought she has sown...those are ridiculous tales by moonlight. I became a son 5years ago, there is always room for overtaking. Mbaemeka, daaalu, Chukwu gozie gi, obele ihe k'oka fo, ozioma Jisos ga enwe mmeri, okwa nairaland a?

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Manage Your Mind To Produce Excellence · Saturday, October 18th

Pastor Chris

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God (Romans 12:1-2).

Did you know that you can manage your mind? That’s what renewing the mind is about. You can get into your mind and decipher what files need to be "deleted," and what files need to be "downloaded" and installed, as it were. You can determine what changes to make in the structure of your thinking; that’s mind management; it’s the primary principle for increasing your value, multiplying your success and upgrading your state.

Where you are today is a function of your mind. Your personality is the expression of your mind, and as a Christian, you must learn to manage your mind. If you don’t manage your mind, it’ll keep giving you what it already has stored up, good or bad. Sometimes people ask, "What more can I do? I’ve tried hard about this; I’ve prayed and fasted; I’ve done this and that, and I still haven’t had much success." Manage your mind.

Our opening scripture says, "…be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." That means you have the responsibility to transform your life from glory to glory; you have the responsibility to manage your mind to produce excellence. God expects this of you; He instructs you to do it because He has put the ability within you for that purpose. Your life: How you live, what you do, the character of your words, the totality of your personality, is the expression of your mind.

What changes do you want to make? What more would you like to add to, or take out of, your life? You can achieve these by renewing your mind with the Word, synchronizing your thoughts with the Spirit of God. The Bible says as a man thinks in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7). You’re the character of your thoughts; therefore, manage your mind to produce excellence.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the ability given to me to manage my mind. I renew my mind with your Word daily, to become all you’ve destined me to be, and fulfil your perfect will. I bring forth excellence from my spirit today, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study: 
1 Corinthians 2:16; For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ

Philippians 4:8  Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

1 year Bible reading plan: 2 Thessalonians 3:1-18 Jeremiah 3-4
2 year Bible reading plan: Hebrews 9:1-10 Ezekiel 16

"A Wiser Than Solomon…" · Friday, October 17th

Pastor Chris

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption… (1 Corinthians 1:30).

Solomon’s extraordinary amplitude and sagacity of mind inspired many in his day, and left them in awe. He was celebrated as the wisest man that ever lived, until Jesus. The Bible says all Israel revered and admired Solomon because of the manifestation of the wisdom of God in his life: "And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment" (1 Kings 3:28).

Now, how did Solomon get his wisdom? God gave it to him; and He did it through words. He said to Solomon, "...I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart..." (1 Kings 3:12); that was all. He didn’t try to "fix" anything into Solomon’s head to make him wise; He didn’t even touch him. He only spoke words, and Solomon believed and began to manifest wisdom.

However, when Jesus came, He said, "A greater than Solomon is here," referring to Himself (Matthew 12:42, Luke 11:31). This Jesus, the Bible says, has been made unto us wisdom from God; meaning that Christ is your wisdom. This makes you also, "a greater than Solomon." You have "phronesis" (Greek), which is the wisdom of the just; practical wisdom; a fixed mental attitude or programming of the mind to reason, respond, interpret situations, and behave in a certain way, usually, the most excellent way!

Christ is your wisdom. This makes you also, "a greater than Solomon." You have "phronesis" (Greek), which is the wisdom of the just; practical wisdom; a fixed mental attitude or programming of the mind to reason, respond, interpret situations, and behave in a certain way, usually, the most excellent way!

Confession...
 Christ is my excellent wisdom. I have an excellent mind; everything I do turns out right, because I live in the will of God, guided, guarded, and propelled by wisdom. Halleluiah!

Further Study: 
1 Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

Colossians 1:27  To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

1 year Bible reading plan: 2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 Jeremiah 1-2
2 year Bible reading plan: Hebrews 8:1-13 Ezekiel 14-15

On a fairer note, I'd hav e to leave this thread. It now looks like a face off, and I don't really want to be responsible or be a direct or indirect reason to get someone on a bad side of things. I'm sorry, but it looks like I'm bullying. Not my intention if that's the case.

I've had friends leave CEC and advised me to come over with them...I've always refused. Though some left because of minimal issues like Pastor not siding them in a particular matter or that givings are 'too much'. My friend left because her pastor as she said was 'greedy', but she still misses Pastor Chris' meetings and messages.

Whatever be the reason for folks leaving, whoever was right or wrong isn't material here. If one is going to be better in their Christian life somewhere else, it's a big plus, where issues are is if they aren't.

Nannymcphee, your thread of proponents of touch not my annoited and this is a pointer, if you deem leaving CEC is best for you, for whatever reasons, do so. Thank you for your time.

Signing out!
Peace

nannymcphee:
I know the likes of Gombs, mbaemeka etc will not turn around now but I know seeds are being sowed in their hearts(when will they bear fruits, that I can't tell & I hope it doesn't happen too late)

I only engage them because in so doing peradventure they might go study from The bible what God has to say about these things

Most of what they say here isn't what they studied from the bible but what they have been taught by their pastors & a lot don't bother checking the scriptures even if & when they check its still interpreted from that same view, so at the end of the day, no difference

Why my case is slightly different is because I listened to other ministers & this availed me the opportunity to view things in different perspective

Ehnnnn, we gree! Carry your studying to another ministry.... Pastor Chris must be a super charlatan then..., he successfully deceived over 20 million folks world wide, and the ones who are studying are on nairaland.com staging a campaign for those in CEC to hear them.

#facinating

nannymcphee:
]I already know the response of Gombs & co to what I have written, I know how the average CE member think

Quit Hallucinating

if you are not in CE, there are certain things you won't understand, firstly you are not encouraged to listen to other ministers outside the ministry excerpt those that are shown on the ministry's satellite station

I am forced to call you a liar...a sore one. I once said on this forum that I'm garnished by a fine combination of Kenneth Hagin, Idahosa, T. D. Jakes, Pastor Chris, and E. W. Kenyon.

Pastor Chris has mentioned Hinn, Joel Osteen, Hagin, Yon gi Cho, etc in his messages, how is that a way of discouraging folks from listening to ministeries outside? I listen to Oyedepo, Adeboye, Ibiyomie, Etc.

On loveworld plus and sat, there are other ministers shown there too...why then did you decide to lie ma'am? Meanwhile, if I'm well fed here, and I do like the berean christians, and see that these things are true, why go around looking for another opinion?

Hence the one angular view of interpreting scriptures

You want us to have diversified views of things when we both follow one man as he follows Christ? You are what Paul warned his churches, he said "beware of dogs".

secondly pastor Chris says that the church isn't a democracy so if you are not ok with the ways thing are being run, you are free to leave(so no one is being held against his/her wishes

Beni, some folks didn't like how Paul ran the ministry, they left...if you are planning on leaving, do it quietly. God bless you

There are other things that I can't write here cos I don't believe in washing one's dirty laundry outside

Whatever you say is between you, the devil and your conscience. God would just be watching, as I would.

Do I have any regret of being a member of CE, no I don't

I never will too.

The only way you don't get burnt in CE, is if you know your left from right & keep things in balance

nannymcphee:
Yes I'm still a member but I'm biding my time to leave

why am I still there?

the Christian growth is in phases, before joining CE, I had already developed the habit of reading books by Pentecostals & after joining, the practiced continued so this helped me put the CE teaching in balance, but at the same time seeds were being sown as a result of these teachings from other ministers(books/messages)

At the fullness of time, questions began to arise in my heart & I began to put away some practices(all this I will attribute to the seeds I referred to)

but the WOF thread triggered the full realization of the wrong practices, you will notice I asked loads of questions & did more study, I'm still studying on those issues till now

The above events took place within a span of 11yrs

I don't want to leave now becos I haven't figured where to go now, everywhere seems to have an aspect they have missed (I now understand why certain folks have stopped going to church)

So I'll bide my time & decide where to go after careful study of the intended place of worship

Bookmarked

Holla me whenever you decided to leave. May I ask who's your Zonal pastor?

nannymcphee:
Really!!! You think the true riches the bible was talking about is material acquisition

The verses up there has nothing to do with material prosperity

you folks keep saying the the poor Christian is in that state because of choice or lack of knowledge yet you can't show where it was stated in the NT

Paul acknowledged the poor & nowhere did he prescribe that they give so that they will have

The saints of old sold all they had & laid it at the apostles feet & no one lacked among them

No one lacked because those that had gave, who were these that lacked prior to the giving? Weren't they Christians? Do you find the apostles teaching these folks that lack was bad

What about the widows that were neglected that led to the office of deacons? Why did they need the ministration if they had? Do you find the apostles teaching them on how it's their right to have becos Christ died for them

I'd respond soon... meanwhile, you've not stated how or in what ways God fund His work!

WinsomeX:
@nannymcphee,

I have two questions for you and I want you to believe me that they are not meant to spite you.

1. Are you still a member of Christ Embassy?

2. If you are, can you explain why you are still a member of that church seeing that your views are at variance with theirs?

Thanks in advance.

Hello Drummaboy, No Oyakhilome or CEC headlines lately huh?

mbaemeka:
I don't know what this thread would have been without you bro. Thanks.

You welcome bro...so, who's Hogan and who's Hitman Hart?

vooks:
It is not why Paul couldn't heal him sir. He too was a partaker of the same faith. Paul states as a matter of fact that they was with him and he was sick and he left him sick. A disease-free utopia preached by WOF is contradicted by existence of sickness near Paul/Paul's companions.

Ah! I now see where this was heading

Ditto poverty.

You've strayed away buddy! Maybe you should read where we left off, I am not interested in derailing. Ok then, list for me how many of Paul's companions that were broke or in poverty. Or, please show me where Paul taught on accepting poverty! Oya quote where he said "I learnt to be contented in whatever state I am..." let me use that scripture to blast you into oblivion.

But you never know, these WOF nuggets was hidden for hundreds of years waiting for Oyaks and others to discover. New revelation

I ain't interested in discussing WOF with you, nor want to delve into the thread you guys have...quit throwing me baits. This was how you proliferated the link on other threads in a move to get me there. I'm beginning to get irritated by it. If you want a discuss about WOF, we had a one before NL crashed...we can cache it and continue fro there.

So now we have two dumb excuses for zero healing;
1. Lack of faith/ignorance
2. A precautionary measure lest the faith healer is exalted above measure even

Take your WOF opinions off this thread o! Quit derailing[/quote]