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nannymcphee: God has a way of funding it's His work

Good, what ways please? How does He do it? Edify me ma'am.

My God is not an 'it', maybe yours is!

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I'm a delegate too & guess what, i wont go-work related reason (hope u know what it takes to be a delegate for this year & I didn't just hit the minimum, it's way above that )

Thanks for saving sace for someone else!

The last IPPC I attended was 2007, I have always made delegate since then

May God bless your givings to the work of Ministry ....Amen

so when I write here, I know what I'm writing so don't think I'm someone who isn't a giver !!!

The fact you sleep in a garage does not mke you a car.

nannymcphee:
herein lies the problem with this prosperity message!! What is wrong with being a TAXI DRIVER?

If all taxi driver's in the world is won over to Christ, who then will drive taxi's? Without them how can people move around

I guess you're in Nigeria that's why you said this! Do you know how much those folks make in a day? But in your thinking, they don't drive big cars & own houses etc they are not wealthy!!!

God can prosper a taxi driver in the taxi business

Paul in the bible was a tent maker!! Your Jesus was a Carpenter


this is the problem with the prosperity message teaching that all Christians must/should/ought to be rich

The key word is contentment, there are people who will never have their own house all their lifetime but will be happy & prosperous paying rent (be it face me I face you, be it bungalow or duplex)

so in ur world, a true Christian cannot remain a maid, cleaner, gateman, cook etc because Jesus will elevate them.

let's do a little Mathis

a taxi driver that earns N3000/day(they earn more than this) this amounts to N90,000/month

There are graduates that teach in schools, even engineers that earn btw 10,000-45,000

Who is more prosperous ? I guess you'll say they both need Jesus

the above category of folks can only pray to God to uplift their status/bless the work of their hands & God in his sovereignty will determine how & if he answers them

Heheh, nice move ma'am. He never said there was something wrong in taxi driving, neither did he say they are poor folks, but out of some sheer desperation to cling to something in a thread as this, you made the above detour.

We're taught in church that any service to humanity is honorable, be it shoe shining (oya nail me for presumably calling them poor), or any menial job, for we work to earn a giving, not a living. Our prosperity is not by our jobs or family, but of the Lord. Isaac was a well digger, he prospered not from the business, Jesus was a carpenter, he prospered not from it...in fact all other disciples left their jobs and followed Jesus, yet they never lacked. Luke was a physician, Matthew an accountant, some fisher men etc
Paul a tent maker, DID NOT prosper from the business...he did it to earn a giving, go study. So save your math, and quit twisting what mba wrote. Thank you.

See you forming peity, why didn't you take up taxi driving as a career then since they make 90k a month?

vooks:
Gombs,
If Timothy's ailments affected everyone, was it not out of place addressing him alone?
What about Trophimus?

2 Tim 4:20 (KJV)
Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.

Good question bro! Miletum is not in Ephesus, remember, I said it was a coastal town that had water issues. Now, two perspective

1. This Trophimus and Tychicus, we know from the book of the Acts, sailed away with him from Judea, and were everywhere his companions, perhaps as being more zealous than the rest.

"Trophimus I have left at Miletum sick." Why then didst Paul not heal him, instead of leaving him? Seems like a logical question, right? The Apostles could not do everything, or they did not dispense miraculous gifts upon all occasions, lest more should be ascribed to them than was right. The same thing is observable of those blessed and righteous men, who were before them, as in the case of Moses, whose voice was weak. Why was not this defect removed? Nay, he was often afflicted with grief and dejection, and he was not admitted into the Land of Promise.

2. Miletus was near Ephesus. So it is pertinent to note that this was not Ephesus, but, Did this happen then when Paul sailed to Judea, or upon some other occasion? For after he had been in Rome, he returned to Spain, but whether he came thence again into these parts, we know not. We see him however deserted by all. "For Demas," he says, "hath forsaken me. Crescens is departed into Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. Erastus abode at Corinth. Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick."

So obviously, the church in Ephesus had this water challenge, their MOG addressed it, the church marched on...simple! It was not out of place for him (Paul) addressing the Head Pastor of the Church in Ephesus

Oyinprince:
I just noticed Nigeria's copy is different from the World wide copy

Exactly bro!

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the above is chapter what? verse what?

from apt study... try googling it na...stop making yourself look bad in bible knowledge light.

Q1. If Jesus had drank that water in Ephesus, would he have been affected

if Jesus knowing ate a poisoned food, would he have died of it?

Q2.show me where this same instruction was passed to the church or Christians in Ephesus at that time

If Paul wrote to the Pastor of Ephesus, he has written to all the brethren in Ephesus. For example, if Pastor Chris writes my pastor on what should be done about ebola, Pastor Chris has surely writteno all the brethren under the churches my Pastor is pastoring.
#CommonSense

so the MOG can get ill? With all the divine health he had from God or his faith wasn't enough

ever read about Elisha? He got sick and died, with all his annointing, and parting of river jordan etc...do you know why? Ma'am, go and study o!

As for the rest comment, I give up

wise choice

I believe that God can prosper a Christian

but wealth was not promised in the NT, right? ok ma'am

I believe God can give wealth to a Christian

but James and Paul were broke guys shey? #Classic

The above lies in his sovereignty & he determines the extent, he knows what you can handle but to teach that the death of Jesus has brought us wealth & it's the Christian faith that will determine his level of wealth is wrong

Without faith, you can receive nothing from God... My ancestors were rich (Abraham, David, etc)....why wouuld a new covenant not be better than theirs?

Even the the Jews that were given wealth still had the poor in their midst, even the rich ones, weren't at the same level

Poor Christians today are not of a result of lack of money, but lack of knowledge. Simple. That's why we preach and teach ma'am.

its God that determines what you get & it is not your right because Jesus died for you

oh, it's my right, for i am a joint heir with Christ...ALL (not some) HE has are mine, not by my deeds but by my accepting Him as Lord and Saviour, i immediately became Abraham's seed and heir according to the promise.

Those my dear are my rights...that's why the bible is my constitution.

mbaemeka:
This would have made sense if a man who used to sleep under bridges in Lagos didn't recently sign a multi-billion dollar deal with the Oman government few years after putting the word of God to work and discovering his inheritance in Christ.

A true fiasco in Christianity (if ever there was one) will be those who compare the word of God with the experiences of unbelievers and then strike out bible truths based on such notions. "If Bill Gates is an agnostic but he is the richest man in the world then it therefore means that being Christian or not does not guarantee one wealth" some may say, but if we take it back even to bible days we can tell that many evil kings, Abimelechs and Pharaohs were all wealthy even as people like Abraham and Isaac were- and at least I am sure you would not be foolhardy enough to claim it wasn't God that prospered the latter 2 names I mentioned.

Spot on bro! You just have a way of bringing these things out...the way couldn't. Folks sha

mbaemeka:
Good bro. The work has been hectic off late sha but we are on top of the situation. Hows your own end?

Fine o, working and at same time eyeing IPPC to ensure them no clash.. it's a bit tougher this year o, my zone was only given 150 slots for partners, 65 slots from my church (Zonal HQ)... delegates them done plenty o... The church is marching on, getting bigger..Make we do build something like Maracana Stadium for conferences and crusades.

mbaemeka:
When Paul made his statement to the Corinthians about Christ being poor for their sakes so that they would be made rich, did he not know about the Macedonians and how "deeply" poor they were?

Notice: I ignored the nit-wittedness you tried to introduce by injecting 'giving' into my post. If you are looking for verses concerning Homologia in the NT you may ask politely and I would oblige you.

Overflowing Of Grace · Thursday, October 16th

Pastor Chris

For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ (Romans 5:17).

Some people quote Romans 5:17 and say, "they which receive the abundance of grace." A few Bible translations render it that way too; they introduce the definite article "the" into it, and it’s not supposed to be so. The correct rendering is, "…they which receive abundance of grace…." There’s a difference between the two.

abundance of grace," it refers to an overflowing thereof. It’s up to you how much grace you want to take. That’s why it doesn’t say, "the abundance of grace." Some have taken more grace than others, and as the Bible says, "…he giveth more grace…" (James 4:6). God’s responsibility is to distribute more grace, while ours is to take a hold of it!

The next part of the opening verse says, "…and the gift of righteousness…." The definite article is used because it’s the same gift of righteousness for everyone. We all received the same gift of righteousness, and no one is more righteous than the other: "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference" (Romans 3:22).

Accordingly, they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign as kings in life! How will you know they’re reigning? You’ll hear them declare words of power! "Where the word of a king is, there is power…" (Ecclesiastes 8:4). If they felt pain in their bodies, instead of crying, they’d declare, "Get out in the Name of Jesus!" They rule over pain, disease, infirmity, demons and circumstances. Halleluiah!

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the much grace I’ve received and the gift of righteousness. I relish this supernatural grace that you’ve lavishly bestowed upon me to excel, prosper, succeed, and make progress. Therefore, your divine blessings and promotions are evident in my life, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Ephesians 4:7; But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

2 timothy 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

1 year Bible reading plan: 2 Thessalonians 1:1-12 Isaiah 64-66
2 year Bible reading plan: Hebrews 7:11-28 Ezekiel 12-13

TheShopKeeper:
An article copied from Kenneth Copeland. A twice divorced, WOF, prosperity preacher. It glaringly obvious where you got your knowledge about prosperity gospel from.

don't attack the messenger...did you get the message? The pharisees attacked Jesus, they didn't get the message.

Did Jesus Christ in any of his sermon of the mount - Matthew chapters 5-7, taught about prosperity gospel?

no such thing as prosperity gospel.. the gospel is a complete package... Jesus said he was sent to give good news to the poor.. my friend what is good news to any poor person? ... you can't answer this one shey?

Did any of the disciples and Paul taught about prosperity gospel giving?

Yes they did

Did any of the early christians Acts chapters 1-7, lived their lives according to any prosperity gospel giving they have heard?

Beni sir

Jesus Christ taught that serving God & money don't mix together.

lies... can one preach the gospel without money? Those who brought us the gospel... google it, they spent a hell lotta cash.

Apostle Paul taught about contentment & godliness been a great gain.

Was he broke? Was any of the apostle a broke man? Scriptures please.

Sir, there is no doubt that money is very essential to everyone. But the teaching, preaching & love of money is dangerous for our spiritual development.

exactly...Love of money is dangerous, not money itself

mbaemeka:
If the love of money is the root of all evil then the lack of it is even worse.

What seems to confuse God's children is the fact that they see "sinners" wealthy, while some of them wallow in poverty. So they wonder if God's promise of Material prosperity is not true or has ceased to exist.

The bible says there is profit in all labor. Which means that if an atheists works hard to get wealth (albeit away from God's provision) he/she will still find some success. The caveat there is that it will only be for a time. David said "I saw the wicked (the Ungodly) rise like a green bay tree but then after a while I looked and he was cut down".

The Christian is not the one trying to get rich for he has been reborn into riches. What we are told to do from scriptures is to discover our inheritance. That's why when people hear some christians say "I am rich" they want to check his bank account to see if he has more money than Bill Gates for him to aver such but that is not the law of faith. Faith speaks in agreement with God. If God says Abrahams blessings are yours (and we know the Abrahamic blessings included wealth) I can in the same token say I am wealthy. Regardless of if I am a taxi driver. In fact, being a taxi driver will only be for a while because as one walks in the law of faith, your life experiences begin to measure up with your confessions.

If Bill Gates has a foster child somewhere that we are oblivious of but this child grows up in penury does he stop being wealthy (if a tangible portion of Bills wealth is willed to him even without his knowledge?). That's the same way with all Christians. Many just don't know this truth and so they find themselves chasing after things that God already said would follow his kids- the same things that unbelievers chase after. And when they don't see the same 'instant' results they conclude that God's word didn't say so even in the face of barefaced scriptures.

meeeeehn!... Thanks for this! Remember we are not here to convince Nannymcphee, but lay facts side by side. How have you been na?

nannymcphee:
Be in health, yet Timothy had stomach issues!!

ma'am... a little study wont kill you. Ephesus was a town by the sea port, and at that time, they had water issues due to sanitary wahala. The MOG kept getting ill from the water, Paul simply told him to take wine instead, and stop getting ill. this episode in no way means God could not protect the MOG.

yes it's a good prayer but its God that will determine the extent to which you prosper in every facet of your endeavor

Since the death of Jesus with all the prosperity you keeping saying he has given to Christians, one would have thought that by now, the world's richest would be Christians

I am ashamed of your testimony.

later you'd sing "Abraham's blessings are mine"

The world would have setup schools/studies to look into the wealth of Christians but the reverse is the case.

in your case... i can understand, yet you cannot understand how MOG are rich, you sorely concluded it's tithing and collections. Shame!

One would have thought by now, since there is much poverty in the world people would have been turning to Jesus for prosperity

i can understand your mindset at this point.... atheism aint far off though

My bro, Jesus came to give us eternal life!!! c'est fini

you have no idea what He brought us.

This is generic & not Solely tied to prosperity, we cannot conclude based on this that this is the premise on which the Christian has been great wealth

at least you implied it could be based on it..

"All things, at all times and having all that you need"

How many times have u experienced this in your life, even Paul said he was content to be with & without (those days he was without, what happened-he didn't have faith?)

so Paul lied or he assumed?

This also is generic & applies to every facet in life, even amongst unbelievers

so this also does not show how God gave the NT Christian wealth

very convenient, huh?

Nobody is disputing that it is more blessed to give than to receive but how does this verse show that the NT Christian has been given wealth or prosperity?

yet you pray for wealth and ask God to make your way prosperous...why ask Him for what He didnt want you to have in the first place?

Pls I need more, show me where he told christians to sow/connect upon the anointing on his life so that they can have more

quit this your antic..you said he didnt teach giving, i provided verses, now you asking another totally different thing. No, i will not provide any further.

Also show me where he told them to give so that they will no longer have to be poor

see you trying to be side step in a discussion you know you've faulted alot.

Romans 12:8
…Or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

Again, this talks about giving but doesn't show how it meant that wealth has been given to the Christian

Dear Lord Jesus!

The bible didn't call them crazy givers , neither was it stated that they gave massively

believe what you may...they gave, and gave like mad! And about the "crazy" givings, if you read properly, you'd see i wrote "i noticed" not "the bible said"

they were only compared to other churches and besides Paul told them that God will supply them all their needs(not wants, check the meaning of needs)

They were only compared? HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA... needs is far important than wants na...money is a need, a necessity, abi na lie? The gospel aint gonna move no where without cash...I wont be here preaching if not for cash

he didn't tell them that they will become billionaires or become rich but that the thing they need for daily survival will be given to them

like cash abi?
or is cash not needed for daily survival?

Show me another scripture pls

no need!

Not what James meant!! List names

In the OT, I can list abraham, issac, joseph, David, Solomon, job etc men whose records showed that their wealth was gotten from God

kindly list names for me in the NT? the James you quoted was he rich? Does good & perfect gift now translate to wealth & prosperity

Jesu mi o! in the NT, the bible declares that if you are in Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, hence heir according to the promise. Why do you still need me to name names? Abraham's blessings (including riches) are mine today... if you like agree, if you like don't.


So, in the NT wealth is not from God? James must have been drunk when he was writing... i Know the good life is a goood thing, God therefore gives good life...but anyways, i hope you don't plan on living a rich life...if you are, shame on your hypocrisy then

the NT teaches giving & that it is indeed a blessing to give but it is to meet a need be it ministry need or poor or the minister

BUT it doesn't teach giving to get, it doesn't emphasize on giving to get rich

I'm in no way saying I can't pray to God to bless the work of my hands or to prosper me, it is his sovereignty to answer me

see sense na... you dont believe He wants us rich in the NT, yet you want to pray so that His sovereignty would prevail? abeg, save your theory for the gods.

but to now teach that it is God will or design that ALL Christians MUST/SHOULD/OUGHT TO be rich is not consistent with the scriptures

Jesus died to raise poor folks then!

show me where the poor in the NT was admonish to give their way into prosperity

I gave you the book of Acts...yet, you wan show sense...oya na, languish in wants, my Jesus never lacked or was in want...i'm not about to be different.

Show me where the poor was told that poverty was a bad thing

Poverty is not of God o!...
if it is not a bad thing, i wish you the best forms of it. Amen

What you have is the Christian that has being taught to give to the one that doesn't have

It was said that St Francis of Asisi, paid a visit to Rome & the pope took him round & showed him the opulence of the Vatican City.

The pope was quoted to have said "we no longer say silver & gold have we none" to which St Francis replied "neither do you say rise up & walk"

we are back to those era again

i could not comprehend the above.

[size=20pt]Understanding Prosperity[/size]

Throughout the Word, God plainly shows that His will is for His covenant people to have a surplus of prosperity. He promised to make Abraham rich, and the promise of Abraham is ours today (Galatians 3:13-14; Genesis 17:6). God’s will is prosperity for you—spirit, soul and body.

We want to share with you what true Bible prosperity is and how to apply it to your own life. We encourage you to look up each of the following scriptures as a basis for your own study.

What Is Prosperity?
Matthew 6:33; James 2:14-17; John 14:21; II Corinthians 9:9

True prosperity is the ability to use God’s ability and power to meet the needs of mankind—regardless of what those needs may be.

Spiritual Prosperity
Romans 8:2; Luke 4:18, 6:27-38

Spiritual prosperity is freedom from the law of sin and death. To be born again and filled with the Holy Spirit puts you in the position to receive from God all the things promised in His word.

Mental Prosperity
II Corinthians 10:5; III John 1; Philippians 4:7; I Thessalonians 5:14

To prosper mentally (in your soul), you must be able to control your mind, your will and your emotions. Prosperity of the mind comes when you use the knowledge you have accumulated from the Word of God—when you are controlling your mind, instead of allowing your mind to control you.

Physical Prosperity
I Peter 2:24; Mark 16:15-20; Luke 6:38; II Corinthians 9:8

Physical prosperity is twofold—health and wealth. Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law—sickness, poverty and death (Deuteronomy 28:15-61). Health and wealth belong to the believer. Meditation on the Word and acting on the Word will bring results (Joshua 1:. When you act on the Word, mix your faith with it and do not doubt in your heart, the Word will work for you.

What produces spiritual, mental and physical prosperity? What brings all these areas together? The Word of God.

Hebrews 4:12 says the Word is alive, powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword. It divides the soul and the spirit, the joints and the marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. When you are walking in the Word of God, you will prosper and be in health.

We cannot settle for prosperity in the physical or mental realm only, just as we cannot settle for spiritual prosperity alone. We can’t afford to be lazy and to discount physical and mental prosperity simply because we are saved and filled with the Holy Spirit. It is God’s will for us to be made whole—spirit, soul and body—and to be kept that way until the return of our Lord Jesus Christ (I Thessalonians 5:23).

As you walk in the light of God’s Word, you will become prosperous in every area of your life.

http://www.kcm.org/real-help/article/understanding-prosperity


work calls... i believe i've dealt with the problem 'Prosperity', if anyone has an objction, please post them here. I'd Be back. Again, nannymcphee, thanks or availing me the opportunity to teach others. God bless you.

nannymcphee:
@Gombs
Hello sire!

it's only 2corinthian8:9, that you can point out for the NT support for prosperity

Morning Ma'am. If you really read my post, you'd fetch other scriptures about prosperity in the NT. BBut, for records sake, I'd give you more

3 John 1:2: "Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in ALL (not some) things and be in health, just as your soul prospers."

Eph 3:20: "Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than ALL (not somethings) we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us,"

2 Cor 9:8: "And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in ALL (not some) things at ALL (not some)times, having ALL (not somethings) that you need, you will abound in every good work."

2 Cor 9:6: "Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously."


Acts 20:35
In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.'

should i go on?

I ask again show me where prosperity was promised for the NT believer apart from 2corithians8:9(which by btw isn't about physical riches or wealth)

i just showed you above ma'am. It's good to see you shift stand now from

Paul never taught the gentile world about earthly riches or tithe,

to "apart from 2 Corinth 8:9"....

Romans15:26
26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem

why did Paul not teach these poor saints to give sacrificially or to connect to the grace/anointing upon his life so that they can experience the "prosperity that God has given to them"

oh he did! He taught that giving is the ONLY way of receiving from God...You want proof? You know he'd have to support them, while teaching them on the principles of receiving. let me just quote only one...holla if you need more

Romans 12:8
…Or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

Pls also show me individuals(notice the 's') in the NT testament that gave massively

i love this question. When studying on the churches Paul Pastored, i noticed the Philippian church were crazy givers..they gave massively

Philippians 4:15-17
And you yourselves also know, Philippians, that at the first preaching of the gospel, after I departed from Macedonia, no church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving but you alone; for even in Thessalonica you send a gift [size=20pt]more than once [/size] for my needs. Not that I seek the gift itself, but I seek for the profit which increases to your account.

yes, i saw the plural...they whole church gave massively... holla if you need another scripture

Also show me individuals who attributed his wealth source to the death of Jesus or to God(the OT is replete with examples)

na wa o
na devil give them before? What did you think James meant when he said ALL (not some) good and perfect gifts are from God? sha, refer to the verse in the book of acts i quoted.

In the first few paragraph of your response to my post, you talked about how the NT was better than the OT, but you couldn't list several bible verse to show how wealth was given to the Christian

really? wealth wasn't? please provide scriptures

let me ask you, which has more blessing giving to the pastor, giving to the church(ministry needs) & to the poor?

giving generally is a blessing... simple. tithing is a form of giving too... seeds.. alms etc

Becos some Christians will say some grounds are more fertile than others!!

relate to Judas thought of selling a perfume and Jesus' answer...was Jesus mean to the poor?[/quote]

The Dimensions Of Love · Wednesday, October 15th

Pastor Chris

That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God (Ephesians 3:17-19).

Our opening verses show us four dimensions of God’s love: the breadth, length, depth, and height of His love. How far can your love go? Can it pursue the worst of sinners? Can it go after the worst failures? Can it be stretched limitlessly?

Once, Peter asked Jesus, "...Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?" The Master’s response was so inspiring; He said, "…I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:22). This equals four hundred and ninety times a day. Imagine that someone offends you that number of times in one day, the Master says, "Forgive."

The Apostle Paul gave a touching testimony in 1 Timothy 1:13-14. He said, I was a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious, but I obtained mercy of the Lord. His love reached out to me and rescued me from the path of destruction. How far can your love go? How much can you forgive?

Love never gives up. It’s not easily provoked, neither does it take into account the offences of others. It forgives as many times as it’s provoked. It knows no limits. No wonder Paul had to pray that God’s people would comprehend the boundless, immeasurable, intimately infinite and unconditional love of God. That revelation will change you forever, and give you extraordinary boldness and confidence in life.

Confession...
Christ dwells in my heart by faith; I’m rooted and grounded in love, and able to comprehend the boundless, immeasurable, intimately i n f i n i t e , and unconditional love of God. Thus, I’m filled with all the fulness of God, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
1 Corinthians 13:1-13
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

1 year Bible reading plan: 1 Thessalonians 5:1-28 Isaiah 61-63
2 year Bible reading plan: Hebrews 7:1-10 Ezekiel 10-11

itstpia1:
Since it pertains to the matter at hand

Nice concept... #GiveChristiansTheirSection

nannymcphee:
Mark 10:17-22

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

Hello ma'am!

the verses you quoted has to be studied in the context it was used in & not just lifted to buttress prosperity in the present day

God directly & explicitly promised & gave wealth/riches to the Jews in the OT BUT we find no such [size=20pt]direct [/size]promises to the present day Christian

if He did that for those who did not have the Holy Spirit in them, how much more those who have? i thought the NT was far better that the OT? no?

is see what you did there in the above enlarged. it was a strategy, a clever one i must confess, you used to sit on the fence. Shol i take away the word 'direct'?

The OT is filled with examples of people who were mega rich but how many of such examples can you find in the NT(that has better promises)

in other words, the NT is not in support of riches? Did Jesus die to raise paupers? if the NT is of better promises, it means what the OT folks enjoyed was kindergarten level compared to what we now have in Christ.

Paul talked about the Macedonian church & those at Philippians who gave out of their needs/poverty, he never stated that they will become rich as a result of their giving neither did Paul ever talked down on the saints that were poor(he never stated that they were poor by choice or that they were mocking Christianity)

Jesus spoke on the principle of giving and receiving, ma'am, the only principle of receiving in the bible is giving. Check all those who were celebrated in the bible...they gave...some massively eg David, Abraham, Paul etc

The gentile world knew nothing about Jesus, the gospel was introduced to them by Paul(Paul knew the in & out of the law & the Jewish custom)

false... the jews in the Jerusalem church already started the gentile church before Paul was sent there to Pastor them...i know you meant Paul was specifically sent to the Gentiles by Christ Himself, but my dear, he wasn't the one who introduced the gospel to them, though he planted many churches amongst the gentiles.

Paul never taught the gentile world about earthly riches or tithe,

really?
can you explain 2 Corinthians 8:9 please?
Paul had used the Macedonians' example of generosity to provoke the Corinthians in their giving. Here, he turned to the supreme example of giving; that is, Christ Himself.

God didn't just give us something that He had; He gave Himself. What was God's motive for giving? It wasn't because of His need, but ours. He was motivated out of love for us (Joh 3:16). In the same way, Paul was encouraging these Corinthians to give unselfishly to the poor saints in Jerusalem. That's why God wants us rich...so that we can give!

Q1. how could he have missed such?

all the admonition about riches & wealth in the NT, we are told to be careful about riches, no where do we find Christians being admonish to go For wealth

you don't have a bible ni?
in 2Co 8:9: Jesus did have money. He even designated one of His disciples to be the treasurer (Joh 13:29). However, Jesus was poor compared to what He had before coming to earth. He was also poor in the same way that Paul was poor at times; i.e., He voluntarily did without things in order to reach others. He said, "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head" (Mt 8:20). That line does in no way mean Jesus was homeless, does it?

Again, 2Co 8:9: Some people have tried to spiritualize this verse to apply only to spiritual or emotional poverty and wealth, but the context of this verse is definitely speaking about physical poverty and wealth; that is, money (see 2Co 8:1).

It is a true statement that Jesus made Himself poor spiritually and emotionally so that we could become wealthy in those areas. However, it is also a true statement that Jesus became poor monetarily for us so that we could become wealthy in finances. That's what this verse is saying.

The Greek word that was used in the first part of this verse to describe Jesus as being rich is "PLOUSIOS," and it means "wealthy; figuratively, abounding with" (Strong's Concordance). This is the same word that was translated "rich" in Mr 12:41, which says, "And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much" (emphasis mine).

The Greek word that was translated "rich" in the last part of this verse, describing us, is "PLOUTEO," and it means "to be (or become) wealthy (literally or figuratively)" (Strong's Concordance). This is the same word that was translated "rich" in 1Ti 6:9, which says, "But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition" (emphasis mine).

So, both Greek words used for "rich" in this verse are speaking of material wealth. This is further proof that this verse is teaching that our Lord Jesus provided prosperity for us in His atonement (Acts 2:21). Jesus wills for us, His children, to have our needs met abundantly (3John 2).

Q2. Why didn't Jesus ask the rich man in the above verse, to be his partner in ministry, to be his financier??

Jesus had partners, you want proof where folks gave to support His ministry?

Rather he asked him to go sell all wealth & give to the poor

if that was what Jesus meant, why haven't you?

( by the way some present day Christians now say that: giving to the poor is just lending to God,

that verse means, God will pay for the one who couldn't pay back, not that the borrower is lending to God.

that God will pay back but without interest

Does the above make sense to you?

i.e its more profitable to give to ministers/church than the poor)

you are funny ma'am... thanks for the laugh

Note: the rich man had kept the law since the days of his youth yet Jesus asked him to forgo all

ma'am, what Jesus wanted to point out is that, the man, though he SAID he has done all those, yet he had not faith that what he will lose or lost will be replenished by God. The rich man still have value of money over God. Jesus was in no way encouraging poverty, for Jesus himself was NOT a broke guy when he walked the streets of Galilee... He had everything He needed, and was NEVER IN LACK. Ever wondered why the roman centurions (centurions were not broke guys o) cast lots on who'd own the clothes Jesus wore? You think those clothes He wore were rags, yet rich centurions cast lots for them?

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The Scriptures warn us against the pitfalls of riches (1Ti 6:9 and Pr 13:11), yet it is the love of money that is the root of all evil (1Ti 6:10), not money itself.

Before we can be the blessing to others that God intended us to be, we have to be blessed ourselves (Ge 12:2). Prosperity is not just for ourselves (Jas 4:3); it's so that we "may abound to every good work" (2Co 9:8 ). God gives seed to the sower (2Co 9:10); i.e., He provides riches to those of us who will let them flow to others and not hoard them for ourselves.

thank you so much for letting me teach others who will grace this thread. God bless you

Honour And Greatness Are From The Lord ·

Pastor Chris

Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all (1 Chronicles 29:12).

David made the statement in our opening verse in the final days of his life, when he was old. He was talking to God in prayer and said, "O God, both riches and honour come from you…." We observe from this prayer where riches and honour come from; they come from God.

David was a man of honour. Samuel the prophet had anointed him, and he knew he was going to be king of Israel. He began to learn about the anointing of God’s Spirit, and about the king’s office. He studied these things and showed himself approved to God on many occasions when he was tested (2 Timothy 2:15).

One of such occasions was when King Saul tried to kill him and went after him with three thousand soldiers. The opportunity came for David to attack Saul, but he wouldn’t, because he knew if He did, he wouldn’t only be dishonouring Saul, but the anointing as well, for Saul was anointed of God. Even when he cut just a little piece of King Saul’s garment to prove to him that he got close enough to have harmed him, he repented and asked God to forgive him (1 Samuel 24:5). Here was a man who was hunting him and wanted him dead, yet David chose to honour him because he was a man of honour and he knew where honour came from. He knew the king couldn’t make him great; only God could.

In Psalms 75:6-7, David also said, "For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. But God is the judge…." No man, job, or natural opportunity can make you great; it’s in the hand of God alone to make great. You’re a man or woman of honour. Therefore, learn to walk in honour, because you were born into it. It’s your life; it’s where you live, and it’s what you must give.

Confession...
Dear Lord, I’m grateful for the destiny of greatness I have in you. I was born into greatness and honour, and I give honour to others, recognizing that they’re the objects of your love. Amen.

Further Study:
Proverbs 3:16; Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.

Psalms 71:21 Thou shalt increase my greatness, and comfort me on every side.

1 year Bible reading plan: 1 Thessalonians 4:1-18 Isaiah 59-60
2 year Bible reading plan: Hebrews 6:11-20 Ezekiel 8-9

Oyinprince:
i tink em audio copy is out right? Are u in Benin Region?

Nope, I've seen the dvd though

Sustain The Programming Of Good In You · Monday, October 13th

Pastor Chris

Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man (Colossians 4:6).

Our opening verse underscores the value and importance of graceful and edifying communication. You’re to use your tongue correctly. Say the right things about others. Don’t speak hurtful words to, or about other people.

When you speak hurtful words to other people and about other people, you actually destroy the programming of good in you. The reason is, God placed us in the earth to build and help other people; to be in His place, and be the expression of His righteousness, goodness and grace to other people. Therefore, when we choose to hurt others, we taint the programming of good and the righteousness of God in us; then, our lives go in the wrong direction and we wonder why things aren’t going the way they ought to.

Once in the Bible, Aaron and Miriam, Moses’ sister, spoke against Moses: "And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman. And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it" (Numbers 12:1-2). God wasn’t pleased with what they did (Numbers 12:6-9). The result was that Miriam became leprous for her judgmental communication against Moses.

You should be mindful of the words you speak and how you say them, especially about God’s servants. Being born again, you have the wisdom of God resident in your spirit, to guide you to speak right, in line with God’s perfect will always.

Prayer...
Dear Father, your wisdom is stirred in me today; it’s in my heart and in my words! Through the words you inspire in me to speak, lives will be transformed and improved, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study: 
1 Corinthians 2:16; [KJV] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

1 Peter 3:10 MSG Whoever wants to embrace life and see the day fill up with good, Here's what you do:
Say nothing evil or hurtful;
Snub evil and cultivate good;
run after peace for all you're worth.

1 year Bible reading plan: 1 Thessalonians 2:17-3:1-13 Isaiah 57-58
2 year Bible reading plan : Hebrews 6:1-10 Ezekiel 7

nuwell:
I certainly will, again. But off the cuff now, all you need to do is to continue reading through the entire book yourself to realize what was paramount on the mind of the Prophet, as inspired by God during this time. The Jews were in exile. They needed to return home after more than 70 years of captivity, to regain their sovereignty as a nation and build again the Temple - establish again the worship of the one, true God.

The entire book has the same theme but you can find a summary of what their idea of prosperity was in the 8th chapter. There all the aspects of this prosperity were outlined. If it wouldn't make this post unnecesarily voluminous, I would have posted the entire chapter. However, let me highlight a verse that interpretes the one you quoted from Chapter 1, verse 17.

'Thus saith the LORD of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities:
And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the LORD, and to seek the LORD of hosts: I will go also.Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.'
(Zechariah 8:20-23)

How else do you think that the cities of the Lord would be spread abroad? By a vibrant economy and trading system that would outclass every other that had existed? Yes, that would have been one of the natural results of the fear of God in every man's heart. There wouldn't be need for needless wars to establish the supremacy of Israel because the world having recognized Israel as God's people and Jerusalem, His headquarters would naturally submit to Him, and by extension the instruction of the Jew, in the fear of the Lord.

'Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.' (Zechariah 8:23)

For Psalm 35:27, the entire chapter explains the context in which David speaks of 'prosperity', and there's not one allusion to material acquisition aka plenty money. He speaks in that psalm of how he believed God to rescue him from his enemies. It is a record of triumph over the natural reaction to hate his enemy when he says in verses 12 - 14.

'They rewarded me evil for good to the spoiling of my soul.
But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom.
I behaved myself as though he had been my friend or brother: I bowed down heavily, as one that mourneth for his mother.'

His statement in verse 27 which you quoted is a resolve from an understanding that the way of righteousness triumphs eventually over the hatred of men, and his conviction that God is indeed enthusiastic about helping anyone who trusts in Him, out of tough situations.

[size=20pt]The Lord does indeed have pleasure in the prosperity of his servants. Praise the Lord![/size]

There's so much more we can gleam from that Scripture but I hope this summary is sufficiently insightful.

Case closed!

Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven (Matthew 18:19).

The Lord Jesus here reveals that even the smallest assembly of God’s people, comprising only of two or three believers, can effect supernatural changes and do the impossible through the prayer of agreement. Is there a change you want to effect in your life, family, job or in your city? Is there something happening that you don’t like? Or is there something you want to happen or prevent from happening? Call up two or three other believers; explain the issues and pray in agreement for a change.

Don’t just say, "Agree with me…," and start talking and praying; explain the issues, so they can agree with you from their hearts. There has to be a "heart-agreement," not a "head-agreement." That’s the reason you’d need to outline and clarify what you want, so they can catch the vision with you and pray in agreement. Having done that, stand your ground and declare, "In the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, we stand against such-and-such, and we want it changed!" And it shall be so!

When I need to pray about certain things with some leaders in our ministry, I don’t just call them and say, "Gentlemen, let’s pray about so-and-so"; no! I’ll first explain the issues to them, and before I’m through, they’re already "charged"; everybody wants something done immediately, and then we start the prayer. It’s not enough to have people pray for you or with you; there has to be an agreement.

The Master has given the Word: "...If two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 18:19). So, don’t wait anymore. Put this to work. Take advantage of the power of the prayer of agreement; use it to change your life and that of others. Use it to change your city, nation, and environment for the glory of God.

macjireh:
Thank U. Do u know him too?

Yup, never met him in person though. Gospel Pillars Unijos things years back.

The Power Of The Smallest Assembly · Sunday, October 12th

Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven (Matthew 18:19).

The Lord Jesus here reveals that even the smallest assembly of God’s people, comprising only of two or three believers, can effect supernatural changes and do the impossible through the prayer of agreement. Is there a change you want to effect in your life, family, job or in your city? Is there something happening that you don’t like? Or is there something you want to happen or prevent from happening? Call up two or three other believers; explain the issues and pray in agreement for a change.

Don’t just say, "Agree with me…," and start talking and praying; explain the issues, so they can agree with you from their hearts. There has to be a "heart-agreement," not a "head-agreement." That’s the reason you’d need to outline and clarify what you want, so they can catch the vision with you and pray in agreement. Having done that, stand your ground and declare, "In the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, we stand against such-and-such, and we want it changed!" And it shall be so!

When I need to pray about certain things with some leaders in our ministry, I don’t just call them and say, "Gentlemen, let’s pray about so-and-so"; no! I’ll first explain the issues to them, and before I’m through, they’re already "charged"; everybody wants something done immediately, and then we start the prayer. It’s not enough to have people pray for you or with you; there has to be an agreement.

The Master has given the Word: "...If two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 18:19). So, don’t wait anymore. Put this to work. Take advantage of the power of the prayer of agreement; use it to change your life and that of others. Use it to change your city, nation, and environment for the glory of God.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the power of the prayer of agreement, with which we can effect changes in any situation, as we desire. I set myself in agreement with as many as are desirous of a definite miracle and divine intervention in their situation. I join my faith with them to ask for a miracle today, in the Name of the Lord Jesus. Amen.

Further Study: 
Amos 3:3; [KJV] Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

Matthew 18:20 [KJV] For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

1 year Bible reading plan: 1 Thessalonians 1-2:1-16 Isaiah 54-56
2 year Bible reading plan: Hebrews 5:1-14 Ezekiel 5-6

nuwell:
The Scripture you quoted above was speaking about God's compassion for His people in exile and the fact that the godless nations with whom He had punished His people for their sins, were getting comfortable with the thought that they held Israel captive solely by their military might and prowess and not by God's design and permission - hence their acting as if they owned the whole world. They were in essence denying God's sovereignty and taking the glory to themselves for this 'accomplishment'.

His promised action was to return them to their own land.

As for encouraging people to be prosperous, if we can be honest with ourselves, we usually mean (usually before and above other things) material possessions and riches when we use the word 'prosperity' - money as a matter of fact. The moment we can admit this fact, the easier it is to see the situation much clearer. Here's what the Scripture admonishes.

'But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1Tim. 6:9-10
'Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;'
(1Ti 6:17-18 KJV)

So there are more worthy causes in life than making lots of money. There is only one worthy cause - the quest to become like Jesus, if you could even call that a quest for which one can take the credit for, since God works in us both to will and do according to His good pleasure.
In Jesus, the abundance of or lack of riches and material goods is inconsequential to fulfillment in life.

'And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.' Luke 12:15 KJV

Zac 1:17  Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.

[Psa 35:27
 27  Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.



Can you also explain the above for me too? Thanks

Maybe you should do more study on the book of Zechariah

asalimpo:
This is internet culture. You dont expect users to write long hand and formally. Every1 isnt preparing their replies on tble surfaces,chair ,paper and pen and readg lamps.
You dont know where users are connectg from, or wat devices theyre using. You grow up.

And i'm not a ma'm.

internet culture? how many times has el rufai,NOI, seun, mods, WinsomeX, most grown ups etc tweeted or typed in internet culture?is there any such thing as internet culture? All I asked for it the ability to read your posts, not to make you look bad. Why type what folks can't readily comprehend? Connecting from or what device is not an excuse for typing in short hand. I use a mobike phone, or a tab, or a laptop...no matter my hurry, I type English. If you must write in English, do it properly.

From the above bold, i just summed up your mental capacity,and age. Ma'am means A polite form of address for a woman or lady. It's short for madam...have a great life.

^^
I agree with you bro! Great!

Candour:
My friend Gombs, how u dey?

Come o, the way you talk about this 'prosperity' and 'poverty' things, you make it sound and look like everybody in CEC and other like minded organisations are swimming in mega wealth while all those against your beliefs are grinding in abject poverty.

With all sense of honesty, can you confidently say you have no needy person in your assembly? Why tag everyone against the fraud in Christianity as poor?

Bobo, I dey o, you scarce sha.

Jesus said we'd always have the poor with us, and this is because of lack of knowledge, not lack of money. I never said those against my beliefs are in abject poverty, my beliefs are a unique set of beliefs, well grounded in the scriptures, not many accept it.

Please don't turn this into a tithe thread

asalimpo:
universities that is offering world class education @ affordable prices? Or tht has a fixed price not adjusted year by year?

Or universities, making sombody else rich. A milkg bzness.

Tv stations,yeah, as a bizness arm also.
Bascally wat is d impact of som of these mega churches on d society they exist in?
Christians ar as greedy and connivg as d gospel propagated nowadays.
Lastly, wu ar these pastors impressing? God or the world?
Cuz as for Jesus, it is doing wat he called them to do- feed His sheep. Not pile up a fortune. Theyre money doesnt impress Jesus.
"loveth me mor than this?" - jesus asked peter.

How much do these ministries pay their staff?
Go figure.
Acquiring wealth for forbes index, while riding on d back of slave labour to run a ministry.

Ma'am please, I mean no offence, but can you reduce the use of abbreviated words? 'U', 'cuz', 'bascally', 'd', 'wu', 'ar' . Use punctuations too.

I found it difficult to read your post! Writings like this tends to make one not to take you serious or assume you are a teenager!

Thank you

femicyrus:
1) David Oyedepo. Net Worth: $150 million
2) Chris Oyakhilome. Net Woth: $50 million.
3) Benny Hinn. Net Worth: $48 million (US).
4) Creflo Dollar. Net Worth: $27 million (US).
5) Billy Graham. Net Worth: $25 million(US).
6) TD Jakes. Net Worth: $18 million (US).
7) TB Joshua. Net Worth: $15 million.
8 ) Matthew Ashimilowo. Net Worth: $10 million.
9) Chris Okotie. Net Worth: $10 million.
10) Joseph Prince. Net Worth: $5 million (Singapore)

Source: www.richestlifestyle.com/top-10-richest-pastors-in-the-world/
Nigeria with 50% out of the ranking should have made a line in biblical prophecy followed by US.

Crappy list...what benchmarks were used in the said measurement? Yeah, right! Assumptions.

Kenneth Copeland has been giving out jets yet, he's not there on the list, what of Adeboye?...and many others...let me not mention priests and Reverends in the Catholic, Anglican and Methodist churches.

Later you lot call another person gullible

Nice thread!

I love Pastor Isaiah Wealth. God bless you OP