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Bidam: Yeah..with our mouth we confess and are saved.It doesn't only stop at believing.The blood of Jesus is the basis of our victory,but we have to add our testimony i.e Our confession to it. We have to stand our ground with the enemy,why? Because he is still the god of this world.We plead the blood to cleanse us from our sins.

Pleading the blood is activating what happened through the blood of Jesus Christ on the cross.It is asking God to provide for us what Jesus has purchased. It's a statement of Faith.

God doesn't operate outside of our confession,when the devil accuses us we need to Say what the blood says...God responds to Faith.

Pls write down a prayer in line with the above bold.

Thanks

Bidam: Let me use an analogy,if a christian falls ill,does he/she just believe the word that by the stripes of Jesus i am healed or does he believe and enforce it by Confession? Remember Jesus nailed sickness once and for All.

Believing is not enough..cos the bible said that even the devil believe and tremble...you believe AND confess what you believe.


What are you driving at sir?

shdemidemi: @ Gombs and candour

thanks for opening our eyes to these errors that have made their ways in to the church through human improvisation.

on a lighter note, if God answers such prayers the world would be far emptier than it is right now.

Your concluding remark is spot on. I couldn't have put it any better than that.

#Bless

Alwaystrue: Yes thanks I meant Abel. Forgive that error.

We come boldly to the throne to obtain mercy because there is godly sorrow to know we did wrong. Don't see 'plead' as some sort of grovelling.

We continually confess what we believe in our heart, that is simply what I meant and confessing Jesus is continuous not some one-off passive event. That is where many miss it. They think belief and confession is just when you initially got born again. The word of the tesimony of the saints was not a one-off event either. Believeing and confessing is continuous as long as we say 'it is written' just as Jesus did. I learn more about Jesus everyday and I KEEP BELIEVING!
Confession is like spending the 'currency' already given you through your belief.

There is no need to argue on this if you do not accept my post. Thanks.

#Twale

Better explained

bobjob: hi all, make sure your phones are on. DBHR have started calling in readiness for next TS starting next month. cheers.

Na Call abi texting?

Candour:

In fact I'm worried. How come u and I are thinking alike this morning? Infact since yesterday. Good times must be here

The truth is I agree with you and in the spirit of candour, I had to be open about it.

Cheers

Don't be worried. Lol

Alwaystrue: It is because God knows the end from the beginning. He does these things to make us continually trust, love and believe Him more. A problem for some is an avenue to show innovation for others. It is a thing of perception.

He has a perfect plan..always

On the issue of the pleading the blood. I believe that the blood has been shed for us and our mouths are like the 'hyssop' used to apply it because we overcome the devil by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.

The bold there actually means our SALVATION. By Christ's redemtive work we overcame the Devil

This is continuous.
The blood of Jesus speaks better things (mercy) than the blood of Esau (vengeance).

I'm sure you meant Abel.
Jesus' blood speaks mercy for the whole world before God. Aint that wonderful?

So it is possible that when a saint has fallen, he pleads the blood for mercy and seeks grace to help him turn away and continually do right.

Umm...

Hebrews 4:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of
grace , that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.


A saint don't need plead the blood, all he need do is come BOLDLY ( 1 John 1:9 KJV - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
) before the throne of grace...to OBTAIN mercy, obtain mercy is not same as beg for mercy.

The blood of Jesus is the price used to purchase a person from destruction/penalty, we continually confess to salvation.

Salvation is confessing with one's mouth the lordship of Jesus AND believing in his heart that God raised Jesus from the dead...we don't continually confess to salvation by Jesus' blood, after salvation, we work out that salvation. Communion is remembering that work on the cross, that is not same as "continually confess to salvation"


God bless u

Candour this one wey you dey my mind ...your reply similar to mine, notice the time difference.


Praise God

nlMediator: That's not what the Bible says. Jesus told His disciples to drink His blood continually and Paul affirmed and elaborated on that. Neither was speaking in terms of using the blood in that context exclusively for the remission of sins. The Blood is of service to us today, as the communion illustrates.

Jesus said the above...but y didn't you complete it?

Oya let me help you, Jesus said "do this IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME" not do this for your protection or do this to plead your case or do this to heal your self.

When you take communion is it Jesus' real blood?

It is the remembrance of what he did on the cross for us that reaffirms the power we have in His redemptive work. The remembrance is for all he's done, his perfect sacrifice and victory. That's what the communion is about. Yeah, you get healed during communion, because of the remembrance and not that the communion was a kinda medicine


Must you argue?

nlMediator: Pleading the Blood to receive the manifestation of what the Blood accomplished is completely scriptural.

In line with the above, write a short prayer to explain what you mean above.

Thank u

nlMediator: Your argument is weak. Let's assme that we do not see any apostle, etc using the blood for anything other than the remission of sins (that's not true). But neither do we see any apostle, etc preaching tithe, paying tithes themselves or giving first fruits. Yet, you preach and believe in these things. Can you explain the discrepancy? Or you promote what the apostles and NT believers in the Bible did not when it comes to money but reject it when it comes to other things?

Must you turn every thread into a tithe discussion thread? :-/


Even when Jesus clearly outlined what the/his Blood was for? Must you argue any and everything esp when you don't have to?

Candour: My bro, if I may ask. What did the blood accomplish?

Exactly same question I wanted to ask Bidam. I await nlMediator's short and precise answer.

nlMediator: Elijah called down fire from Heaven that consumed (the servants of) his enemy. You're using one account - the Baal incident - while ignoring the more relevant one in 2 Kings 1:9-16.

You obviously wanna argue.

I'm not sure I understand why you think Solomon was an illegitimate son. Or are you confusing him with his brother that died?

That's why you should go study. Let me give you a hint, Solomon was a black man...if you need scripture, I'd oblige you.

I'm also working hard to find the functional difference between worshipping God and expecting your enemies to die and petitioning God for your enemies to die and expecting that to happen. Both worship and petition are forms of prayer. A functional difference would be NOT expecting your enemies to die or even praying for them not to die.

Pls try and do more study of the Bible by the help of the Holyspirit

Candour: @Gombs

I agree largely with your post and had no choice but to click like.

The blood of Christ is powerful but its basically for remmision of sins. Satan has been defeated. We only need to affirm it through the word and renew our minds to line up with the truth that the cross truly and completely emptied Satan of any power over Christians.

May God gives his children the grace to internalise this truth.

God bless you

Thanks bro,
We must take this gospel of Christ to ALL, by ALL means possible. And this will we do.

#Twale

1John 1v7 KJV:But if we walk in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Matt 26 v 28 KJV:For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins .

made2fit: Really? So this too is unscriptural?

Very very unscriptural.
As you can see above, the blood was exclusively for remission of sin. It was the sacrifice accepted by God. It has no power to protect, cast out demons, etc as folks use it to pray today. The only powerful 'tools' given to us by God to fight the good fight of faith and live victoriously, are THE NAME OF JESUS AND THE WORD. the blood of Jesus prayer is mistook from
Rev 12 v 11KJV:And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

And the "when I see the blood, I will pass over u".....the story of the israelite in Egypt
Folk over time erroneously interpreted the above verses, (would explain further if u want). There is no single place in the Bible you find folks casting out demons with the blood of Jesus or protecting themselves or family with the blood of Jesus or where they adviced us to use the blood for anything, except that it cleanses us from ALL sin.

When Jesus resurrected, he didn't mention his blood, he Just said in luke 24v40 that a ghost does not have flesh and bone...he didnt mention blood, that is why we say the new creation man does not live of blood, for the Holy Spirit through John declared in John 1v12 and 13 that as many as received Jesus to them gave he power to be called the sons of God, [size=16pt] who were born not of blood [/size] , nor the will of man, nor the will of the flesh, but the will of God.The new creation does not live from blood, he is powered by the HolyGhost, that's why we say Chritians should/cannot not be sick....hallelujah

His Wonderful Name · Friday, October 25th ·

Pastor Chris

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you… (Matthew 28:18-20).


If you’re born again, the Name of Jesus has been named upon you. That Name is the greatest Name ever revealed to man, for it’s the Name by which God created all things. God vested all authority in the wonderful and matchless Name of Jesus Christ.

The Word declares that Jesus delegated His authority to us, and commissioned us to make disciples of all nations, in His Name. He said, "…baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." He used the singular noun "name," showing us that the Name of the Father, Son, and of the Holy Spirit is Jesus. When you study the Book of Acts, you’d observe that in carrying out the instructions of the Master, the Apostles baptized in the Name of Jesus (Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16). They understood Jesus’ statement without any ambiguity. They knew that the Name "Jesus" is the Name of the Godhead! When you say "In the Name of Jesus," you’re referring to the Deity.

Colossians 1:19 says, "For it pleased the Father that in him (Jesus) should all fulness dwell." The fullness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Jesus—the Name above every name. Get excited about the Name of Jesus! Philippians 2:10 says "…at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth." Everything and every being that exists in heaven, earth, or under the earth are subject to Jesus.

Prayer
  Dear Father, I thank you for giving me the authority to function in the Name of Jesus! I live by the power of that Name today, in dominion, victory, and righteousness. I experience peace, progress, increase, success, and prosperity always, in the Name of Jesus. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y:Luke 10:19; Philippians 2:9-11

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : 2 Timothy 1:1-18, Isaiah 64-66

2 Year Reading Plan : John 7:32-44 2 Kings 13-14

studM:

Bros y d twale nah?

Twale means a "Salute". or "Excellent" As in
to give homage to someone.

I no yab you na


@Candour
#Twale too

studM: @op,
It is wat u believe dt works 4 u,hence b it un2 u according 2 ur faith,as a man thinketh in his heart so is he,though dreams r succeptible 2 corruptn by d enemy,but iike u said in ur post,u take d gud prt of ur dream n discard d bad,sorry no tym

#Twale

macof: From the hearts of men

That means men created satan?

domcarez: Arsene wenger said 4th spot is arsenal's best trophy and I will still bet again that u guys will eventually drop to that position....LiVERPOOL, MAN U, MAN C,CHELSEA are busy winning silverware while arsenal has been celebrating 4th spot for the past 8yrs....a team without ambition...

Sorry hater, we can't hear you from the top of the table

By ourselves we do not have the power to win the

battle over sin and evil. Lucifer was someone who

2/3rd of the angelic host followed him in his

rebellion. He should be respected.

1. The bible said we have innumerable company of angels..Heb 12v22. How did you get 2/3 of innumerable? You mean 1/3 are loyal ones till now?



Pls edify me



2. Lucifer should be respected? The Bible lets us know that as Christians, we are partakers of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4). Does the God head respect the devil? I know Arch Angel Micheal did that, that was because Micheal knew about their hierarchy, but bro, we are hid in Christ, we are same as Christ in this world 1John 4v17. Question, did Christ respect Lucifer? If yes, give me scriptures.
When Jesus said cast out...that word aint for anybody you wanna respect




Colossians 2:15

Amplified Bible

(AMP)

15 [God] disarmed the principalities and powers

that were ranged against us and made a bold display and public example of them, in triumphing over

them in Him and in it [the cross].





I love the way message translation puts it




He stripped all the spiritual tyrants in the universe of their sham authority at the Cross and marched them naked through the streets.





Respecting lucifer is misleading. It could mean revere lucifer which could translate to fear lucifer. But I'm in no way saying we should insult him or castigate him, all I'm saying is he doesn't matter. No doubt he has powers, but then respecting it? Do you respect powers of a Js1 boy when you are in ss3, certainly not, you overule his anytime you want. But when he goes about showing off his authority to others who decended to his level or below his level, that don't mean you in SS3 respects him



If you say a christian can be oppressed by demons, then surely that 'Christian' does not know his place in Christ. He doesn't know the power and authority he wields in Christ. In fact,



Acts 10v38


New International Version


how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy

Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good

and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.



New Living Translation

And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth

with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went

around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.




Can a Christian then be under the power of the devil? Well, either the 'christian' gave authority to d devil or the 'Christian' aint really a Christian.


I typed this since morning immediately after you posted this. My fone bat3 die, and where I saved it was not on the tab I later used.

Give me few minutes to furnish u with them...


Are the blessings and promises of God for the Christian or the Carnal Christian?

domcarez:

Ehen!...atleast we are better than arsenal that has gone 8yrs without a trophy......I bet u gunners will not go beyond the round of 16 that is if they manage pass the group stage o

U have to be in a race to have a chance to win the race. Some guys are not in the race, yet they hating on those in the race

We never count yam finish cocoyam dey raise hand up- Adolf Hitler 1939

Bidam: All what i wrote came from scriptures.You re entitled to either accept what scriptures says or disbelieve it.

What u wrote had some pinch of unscriptural notes

Remeber we are talking about the Christian

Liverpool fans be like...."We will see Champions league football next season"

Dream on lads

Barthx: @Gombs your comment above got me seriously laughing.

Na true na! Onwa December oluwe go

I disagree with most of what you wrote. Challenging them here would derail the thread

Let's just forge on

In Him, You’re Safe! · Thursday, October 24th ·

Pastor Anita

He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions (Daniel 6:27).


The Lord is a deliverer and rescuer; He delivers the righteous from trouble and rescues him from destruction. Psalm 59:16 says, "But I will sing of thy power; yea, I will sing aloud of thy mercy in the morning: for thou hast been my defence and refuge in the day of my trouble." He’s a safe place. If you’re born again, you’re in Him; your life is hid with Christ in God (Colossians 3:3). Christ is your security, your defense, and your fortress. No wonder He charged us so many times in the Word to "fear not."

It makes no difference who or what may come out against you; the Lord says "Fear not." Don’t be terrified by the adversary or dismayed by their description. Be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might (Ephesians 6:10). You’re not alone. The Bible says in Hebrews 12:22, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels." You’re surrounded by angels, who according to the Bible, have been given charge over you, to keep you, that is, protect you in all your ways (Psalm 91:11).

1 John 4:4 says, "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world." You’ve already overcome the adversary. Don’t give attention to information that makes the adversary appear powerful. That’s how fear builds up and takes over. Instead, fortify your spirit with the Word of faith. Listen to faith-filled words again and again, until it becomes impossible for you to think or talk fear.

Receive God’s Word to you today; declare with boldness that Christ is your refuge and strength! In Him you live, move, and have your being; therefore no evil can befall you! Psalm 91:7 says, "A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee." You dwell in Him; therefore, you’re divinely protected and preserved from trouble, defeat, failure and death. "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day" (Psalm 91:5).

Confession  

I proclaim my victory and my glory in Christ Jesus. I walk in His wisdom, and in the dominion of the Spirit today; greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world. I’m more than a conqueror.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Psalm 32:7; Psalm 91:1-16

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : 1 Timothy 6:1-21, Isaiah 61-63

2 Year Reading Plan : John 7:20-31, 2 Kings 11-12

^^
All join! ...I no mind if na tomorrow sef

Are you saying the Devil has strength against a Christian?


But are we suppose to acknowledge demons and 'respect the Devil's strength'?

I know they exist, but I don't acknowledge them...they don't matter. That's my mindset. I'm not ignorant of their wiles and antics and stratagems.

And don't you think you over stretched!? Most of what you wrote wasn't implied on this thread. Eg over eating, and dreams used as a warning to stop gluttony?

I have to disagree with this statement
"Demons can possess individuals and oppress Christians."
There is no such thing as a good or bad Christian. If you are a Christian fine, if you are not you are not. How can a Christian filled with the HolySpirit be oppressed by a demon?

Can flies perch on a hot stove? If you said they tempt I'd agree...but oppress is too heavy na

But like you said
" Without a constant fellowship with the WORD and
the Spirit, a christian is not immune to these
controlling forces."

If I'm in constant fellowship with the Word and the spirit, can I be oppressed by demons?

So also is the issue of intimate immorality.I know of
Christians who sees having sex in dreams as normal
but later this tend to play out in the physical because
they never dealt with the issue after they dreamt it
by praying about it.

Serial Sexx in dreams is not normal, but assuming someone had a wishful thought and later dreamt of such, should we tag it as a demonic attack?

Wait first..the way you use Christians above is really baffling! I mean shey na person wen carry Holyspirit and the Word you dey talk about abi na person wen just be born again(or not sef) and continues living like he's not of Christ or babes in Christ?

Joagbaje: Gombs there are some demonic eating in the dream. And there are demonic eating physically .

No doubt...but should a Christian be subjected to thoughts that eating in his dreams are actually demonic? I thought Jesus said we can take any deadly thing and it shall not hurt us?

As for ur latter sentence, I would need elaboration sir