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 Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Gombs(m): 11:30am On Sep 01, 2013*. Modified: 11:47am On Sep 01, 2013 |
[quote author=zadok_the_pt]Unfortunately, you are part of the people that takes scriptures out of context and apply it wrongly. Can you work out your own salvation without God's strength? YOU??  Before you start quoting scriptures and using several translations, atleast you will read in context. Do you start talking by using the word "therefore"? Read the verse before and then the ones after the verse you are talking about. Then you will see your own ERROR! Verse 13 of the sample Chapter says this (AMP) " [Not in your own strength] for it is God Who is all the while effectually at work in you [energizing and creating in you the power and desire], both to will and to work for His good pleasure and satisfaction and delight." Am using the same translation you used. Please, did you see that: NOT IN YOUR OWN STRENGTH? I don't think there is a need to debate that! Please, it is God that WORKS in US, not we ourselves! And if I may add, the OP didn't say he doesn't believe in HEAVEN and HELL, he simply said he doesn't need any man's testimonies to believe God's word. What can man's testimony tell, that God's word is not EXPLICIT about? Please go read the OP again, join the title "Why I don't believe in Hell.." with his last statement ".....Stories And Testimonies" and stop judging a book by it's cover...[/quote]sir, he wanted to know what the verse meant . . . Didn't you notice that? l said it is up for debate if he wants to.If he want to check before verse 12 or after verse 12,its up to him.You already started the debate, whereas I asked him if he want to, not you. If you wanna debate it too,ya should as well start another thread and invite me . Warm Regards, Gombs |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The "Epignosis" Of Him by Gombs(m): 9:54am On Sep 01, 2013 |
I have the Spirit of wisdom and knowledge of him |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 7:33am On Sep 01, 2013*. Modified: 7:51am On Sep 01, 2013 |
JMAN05: I ve never heard about it before. just give me the source. however their comment may be conmected with the manuscript they were preparing, not just the scriptures cos no one has the original manuscript written by the apostles now. but scholars prefer their text to TESTUS RECEPTUS. that is my concern here. some translators used it too.www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/wh-heretics.htm Knock yourself out. What scholars preffered their text? Names pls JMAN05: that verse never supported your point at all. your poaition is that Jesus is just a part of God, namely, the word. meaning that he has no personality. this position is what I am against in this discussion. are you in effect stating that the Father has no personality too?It did, your bible NWT (used only by JWs) is the only bible in the World (stand to be corrected), that used the word union. My position is that Jesus is GOD, not a part of God. He had no personality till after he was made flesh, died and resurrected into heaven ALIVE. I've answered this na, stop twisting my words. Where did I say God has no personality? It pleased God that in Jesus should ALL the fullness of the Godhead (deity) dwell. Col 2v9, but your NWT perverted Col 2v9 again. Like I said, NWT is not a translation, but a sectarian theory If you interprete that scripture that way, how will you interprete this;John 10v30 I and MY FATHER are ONE. Meaning SAME, and he wants us to be partakers of the divine nature. That why Christianity aint a religion 1jonh 4v17 say as He (Jesus) is (not was), so are we IN THIS WORLD (not when we get to heaven. What he meant by "All of them may be one" is simply put here 1corinth 12v13 NLT Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles, some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit. "10 Do you not believe that I am inHere again the word union is used...lol, use another bible aside your NWT pls...told you NWT is perverted to show that Jesus was created Your rejecting it and accepting the kjv filled with error shows that your rejection is out of ignorance.And your NWT is not with 'errors', and it is the only right bible translation out of a possible 30? Oya, leave KJV, use NLT, amplified, GoodNews bible, NIV etc. Or are the 'full or errors' too? Isn't it funny that all translations 'has errors' while your NWT hasn't? See what your NWT did John 8:58 says "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. " The NWT have distorted these beautiful and simple words of our Lord into "Jesus said to them: Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I HAVE BEEN." I HAVE BEEN? My GOD is not a HAVE BEEN! He's always living, he's not a reincarnate, have been means he lived before, and something happened he ceased to exist, then he later reappeared. When Moses was on the mount before God, and asked Him what to tell the people when they asked who God was, Did God say 'I HAVE BEEN THAT I HAVE BEEN?' NO!!! Did he tell Moses to tell them "I HAVE BEEN HATH SENT THEE'? NO!! The word of God in Exodus 3:14 says And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And by the way, do you think "before Abraham came into existence" is easier to understand than "before Abraham was"? Anyway, if the I AM in Hebrews 8;58 is changed, the reference to exodus 3:14 is LOST, and anyone reading it that way will not know that Jesus is the I AM in John 8:58 and the SAME I AM that spoke to Moses from the burning bush. (Meaning Jesus and God are same, because you cannot separate God from his word (Jesus)) By the way sef you never post John 1v1 I asked you to post here from your NWT o. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 6:08am On Sep 01, 2013 |
The "Epignosis" Of Him · Sunday, September 1st · Pastor Chris According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue (2 Peter 1:3). The word "knowledge" in the verse above is the Greek "epignosis," and it means exact or precise knowledge; full knowledge with intimacy. It means full comprehension, recognition, or perception; to become fully acquainted with God. This is the knowledge He seeks for us to have of Him. Our opening verse says, we’ve been called to glory and virtue; that means a life of glory, honour, dignity and excellence; but notice how this life works: it’s through the knowledge—"epignosis" of Him. The Holy Spirit, through the Apostle Paul, shows us how to get this knowledge of God in His prayer for the Church: " That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened…" (Ephesians 1:17-18). What does this mean? He’s saying that as you get to know God through this kind of special relationship or acquaintance, He’ll grant you insight into reality. Yes, God has appointed you to a life of honour, dignity, and excellence, but as you learn about Him, as you meditate on the Word, secrets about this life, and how to walk in the reality of it are unveiled to you. It reminds of yet another powerful truth in 2 Peter 1:2: "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord." Again, the word translated knowledge here is "epignosis." So, in addition to a life of honour, dignity, and excellence, grace and peace can be multiplied in your life as you meditate on the Word of God. Prayer Through fellowship with the Word, I’m brought into an esoteric knowledge of God, and of the Lord Jesus. I have full discernment and understanding of divine realities because the eyes of my spirit have been flooded with light, to know the hope of my calling and the glory of God’s inheritance in the saints, in Jesus’ Name. Amen. f u r t h e r s t u d y: 2 Peter 3:18; Philemon 1:5-6 Daily Scripture Reading 1 Year Reading Plan : 1 Corinthians 15:35-58, Proverbs 8-9 2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 20:9-18, 1 Samuel 20 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 10:00pm On Aug 31, 2013 |
JMAN05: What will we call this your method?D main issue here is Trinity..dats y dis thread is open. Now, pls, do you doubt the infallibility of the bible? Do you believe it shd be treated as any other book? Oya, if you cnt ansa dat, pls quote John 1v1, John 14v10 and acts 10v38 from NWT bible. We can proceed from there, else...let's leave it at that. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 7:58pm On Aug 31, 2013*. Modified: 8:14pm On Aug 31, 2013 |
JMAN05: please read errors in kjv version in this link. the errors are too much to copy.  Tnx for your time...try and address why they said the bible shd be treated as any other book, and that the infallibility of the bible is absurd, if you don't I'd assume you take after their belief too. Meanwhile, let's get bck to trinity issue. You said God is in heaven, which is true, but when Jesus was on earth, he said something striking John 14 v 10 New Living Translation don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me. Tis true dat God lives in heaven, what then did Jesus mean by "my father who lives in me"? If not the Holyspirit (which Jesus called my father, meaning God and Holyspirit are same) I say tis the holyspirit that Jesus was referring to in this verse because of Acts 10v38 New Living Translation 38 And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. I dare you to post same posts above from the JW's NWT bible...twas so perverted just so that Jesus is not seen as same as God, or the Holyspirit is not seen as God himself The first thing I say to a JW's before I study with them is that I will not accept anything from the NWT as authoritative. But they won't accept any other Bible in their heart, even though they might allow you to use one. I then understood thus: 1. The NWT is so extremely biased & perverted, it is questionable if any Hebrew or Greek scholars worked on it. It is nothing more than a sectarian paraphrase, not a translation. 2. No one uses the NWT except the Jw's. 3. Jw's on the other hand will use nothing else! 4. It has undergone many revisions. (deny it na, no wonder Westcoff and Hort said the bible shd be treated as any other book)Pls post NWT version of Acts 10v38 and John 14v 10 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 11:49am On Aug 31, 2013*. Modified: 12:12pm On Aug 31, 2013 |
JMAN05: didnt u see wescott and hot and kjv there? seems u are not just ready,Lol You didn't quote KJV joor... WESTCOTT AND HORT Brooke Foss Westcott (1825-1901) and Fenton John Anthony Hort (1828-1892) produced a Greek New Testament in 1881 based on the findings of Tischendorf. This Greek NT was the basis for the Revised Version of that same year. They also developed a theory of textual criticism which underlay their Greek NT and several other Greek NT since (such as the Nestle's text and the United Bible Society's text). Greek New Testaments such as these produced the modern English translations of the Bible we have today. So it is important for us to know the theory of Westcott and Hort as well as something of the two men who have so greatly influenced modern textual criticism. In short, the Westcott and Hort theory states that the Bible is to be treated as any other book would be. Westcott and Hort believed the Greek text which underlies the KJV was perverse and corrupt. Hort called the Textus Receptus vile and villainous (Life and Letters of Fenton John Anthony Hort, Vol. I, p.211). If Westcott and Hort are the fathers of modern textual criticism and the restorers of the true text, should we not know something of their beliefs to see if they are consistent with Scripture? This would be harmonious with the teaching found in Matthew 7:17. Here's what Westcott and Hort said about... The Scriptures: "I reject the word infallibility of Holy Scriptures overwhelmingly." (Westcott, The Life and Letters of Brook Foss Westcott, Vol. I, p.207). "Our Bible as well as our Faith is a mere compromise." (Westcott, On the Canon of the New Testament, p. vii). "Evangelicals seem to me perverted. . .There are, I fear, still more serious differences between us on the subject of authority, especially the authority of the Bible." (Hort, The Life and Letters of Fenton John Anthony Hort, Vol. I, p.400) "Dr. Wilbur Pickering writes that, Hort did not hold to a high view of inspiration." (The Identity of the New Testament Text, p.212) You want me to Go with Westcott and Hort who don't believe in the infallibility of the bible? Who said the bible shd be treated like any other book? If you won't use KJV or any other aprt from JW's NW, I'm afraid we cnt mov forward on this 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Three Critical Truths About Seed Sowing by Gombs(m): 11:45am On Aug 31, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: @reyginusDid you answer any of mine? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 6:10am On Aug 31, 2013 |
The Entrance Of His Word! · Saturday, August 31st · Pastor Chris The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple (Psalm 119:130). The verse above doesn’t say that the Word gives light, but that ‘the entrance of the Word gives light.’ It’s your responsibility to allow God’s Word entrance into your heart—your spirit. The Word of God has the ability to nourish and build you up spiritually, physically and mentally: "And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified" (Acts 20:32). In addition, when the Word gains the mastery over your life, it washes, purifies, and cleanses your spirit, ridding it of fear, doubt, and guilt. The Word in you will give you the right mind-set—the mind-set of the righteous. Romans 12:2 tells us how to experience supernatural transformation by the Word: "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." As you assimilate God’s Word into you, the Word mingles with your Spirit, making you what it talks about. Some Christians tend to appraise their spiritual growth in terms of how long they’ve been born again. Well, you may have been a Christian for twenty years, that’s not what transforms your life! The Word of God in your spirit is what transforms your life and takes you from one level of glory to a higher level. Settle your heart on the Word today, and watch yourself transformed from glory to glory. Prayer Dear Father, I thank you for the blessing of your Word; with joy, faith and meekness I receive into my spirit your engrafted Word that’s able to transform me from glory to glory, and the power of your Spirit to keep me in the centre of your perfect will, in Jesus’ Name. Amen. f u r t h e r s t u d y: Daily Scripture Reading 1 Year Reading Plan : Proverbs 5-7 1 Corinthians 15:1-34 2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 20:1-8 1 Samuel 19 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 2:30am On Aug 31, 2013 |
JMAN05: where did i use NW in my present write up there?Oya put up the bible version you quoted from. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 10:16pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
JMAN05: Being in God's right hand sometimes means being in a favorable position in God's stand point. However God is a person who sits on a throne in heaven. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 10:05pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
JMAN05: Being in God's right hand sometimes means being in a favorable position in God's stand point. However God is a person who sits on a throne in heaven.Told you I won't take you serious if you don't use the KJV or any other version aside JW's NW. In summary, you win,can we now give it a rest? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Three Critical Truths About Seed Sowing by Gombs(m): 8:30pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: He would never answer this question.Did you answer any question I asked you? And quite frankly, the way you sir, and your followers attend/relate to those opposing your views (though Christians too) is worrisome and unChrist-like. Pastor Kun: We can't accommodate them because the bible instructs us in very clear terms to rebuke false teachers.Be guided properly sir. Where is God's love in your above? Meanwhile I await your response to my post, if I don't see it I'd assume you lack substance and this verse isw for you Titus 1:10-11,13, AMP 10 For there are many disorderly and unruly men who are idle (vain, empty) and misleading talkers and self- deceivers and deceivers of others. [This is true] especially of those of the circumcision party [who have come over from Judaism]. 11 Their mouths must be stopped, for they are mentally distressing and subverting whole families by teaching what they ought not to teach, for the purpose of getting base advantage and disreputable gain. 13 And this account of them is [really] true. Because it is [true], rebuke them sharply [deal sternly, even severely with them], so that they may be sound in the faith and free from error, I just rebuked you, just sound that you may be sound in the faith, and free from error. Kind regards sir, Gombs 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Three Critical Truths About Seed Sowing by Gombs(m): 9:49am On Aug 30, 2013*. Modified: 10:35am On Aug 30, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: Everything with the post is wrong. God is not a money doubler and you don't need to give any pastor or church money before God decides to bless you. God's blessings are purely by his grace and not by any filthy "seed" brethen are deceived into sowing.Is it your money? Y don't let those who believe in it to continue, we aren't complaining, we know the benefits, you don't have to agree with it. A lie is a lie even if everybody is doing it, and Truth is truth even if no one is doing it. Depends on how you take it God blessing are there, they are by grace...but what did the baible say about giving to men who make God's word available to the rest? Jesus collected seeds o! Luke 8 Amplified Bible (AMP) Soon afterward, [Jesus] went on through towns and villages, preaching and bringing the good news (the Gospel) of the kingdom of God. And the Twelve [apostles] were with Him, 2 And also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had been expelled; 3 And Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s household manager; and Susanna; and many others, who ministered to and provided for Him and them out of their property and personal belongings. Don't that look like seed sowing? I should note at this point that while the women contributed the money which provided for the needs of this group, a man (Judas, to be specific, John 12:6; 13:29) kept and distributed the funds. Let's look at Luke, cos he was writing to theophilus, a thing he was so certain of, after MUCH conviction. Look what like wrote Luke 1 English Standard Version (ESV) 1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, 2 just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, 3 it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught. I understand the Gospel of Luke to indicate three major forms of support of those who minister. First, men may be supported in proclaiming the gospel by those who have previously benefited from their ministry. This is the case in Luke 8:1-3 as I know it. These women had personally benefited from our Lord’s ministry to them, and now they support His ministry to others. (Same as seed sowing today is possible, because I've benefited from my pastor, and I support his ministry to others, not because they are 'broke' or lacking, Jesus wasn't broke nor lacking). Paul was supported by the Macedonians, to whom he had previously ministered (Philippians 1:3-6; 4:10-13). Second, men may be supported by those to whom they presently minister. When Jesus sent out the 12 ( Luke 9:1-6) and the 72 (Luke 10:1-12), He told them to take nothing (because Jesus knew the folks would wanna give em stuffs/seeds/support/etc). That was because they were to be ministering to those to whom they came, among whom they lived and served. The 12 and the 72 were to heal and to cast out demons. Surely the cities to which the came should have gladly sustained these preachers and miracle-workers. They were indeed servants “worthy of their hire.” Third, some men were self-supported. When men became hostile toward our Lord and His message, Jesus spoke to His disciples about a different means of being supported as they proclaimed the gospel: Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment” ( Luke 22:35-37). When the disciples of the Lord previous went about preaching and healing, they were generally well received. But after our Lord’s rejection and crucifixion, it would be different for His disciples as well. Now they were to continue to go out, preaching the gospel, but this time fully prepared to care for themselves. In effect, they were to be self-supporting in the hostile world which was to come. Because of various evils and abuses (mainly those of the false teachers) Paul refused to exercise his right to be supported by the church , and to minister at no cost. Indeed, Paul even worked with his own hands so as to be able to support others (Acts 20:34-35). This last method is not a very popular one today. Few seem willing to dirty their hands with common, mundane labor. Many are those who want someone else to support them in their ministry. Many of these ask people whom they do not know, to whom they have never ministered, to support them in ministry. I do not see this kind of support in the New Testament. When, then, should men be supported, by whom, and under what circumstances? From the entire book of Luke I believe we would have to say that this would differ for different people, and even for the same people, under different circumstances. I believe that we should be supported either by those to whom we have ministered or by those to whom we presently minister. And, we should be supported only when it promotes the gospel of Jesus Christ . There were times when Paul avoided taking money for his ministry because of the abusive practices of the false teachers. There were times when Paul was trying to practice the gospel by working with his own hands, supporting others. And there were times when Paul accepted support so that he could devote himself to proclaiming the truth of the gospel. Whether Pastors are supported or not should be determined by determining whether or not the gospel will be best served by being supported or by being a supporter of others by working with out own hands. Too many people in ministry refuse to consider both options. Know that supporting the gospel ministry involves the support of many. The women who supported our Lord’s ministry did not support only Jesus—they supported the entire ministry team: These women were helping to support them out of their own means ( Luke 8:3). There are many Christians who want to support the leader of a ministry. After all, he is visible, vocal, and dynamic. But they are not so eager to pay the secretary who takes his calls or types his sermon manuscripts, which are essential functions too. When the gospel ministry is supported the gospel team should be supported. Also, Supporting the gospel ministry involves the mundane. I am sure that there was nothing very exciting about buying heads of lettuce, or vegetables, or meat, but these were the things from which the meals were made. Today, Christians are not eager to pay for the office rent, for the utility bills, or for printer ribbons. All of these mundane matters are necessary, however, and buying them as a part of the gospel ministry is supporting the ministry, no matter how mundane that may seem. He or she who is faithful in little will be faithful in much. These words of our Lord refer to ministry with money, and then ministry in other ways: “Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much” ( Luke 16:10). In the context of this passage it is clear that money is the “little thing” while other matters are the greater things. These women, who were faithful to follow our Lord in Galilee, and to meet the needs of the group, were faithful also at the foot of the cross and at the tomb of our Lord. Their faithfulness in the little thing of money assured them of faithfulness in the greater things of a later time. Judas, on the contrary, who was not faithful in the little thing of money was not faithful in greater things. Faithfulness in the matter of money is critical, for it leads to faithfulness in greater things as well. Investing in the gospel ministry determined where the hearts of these women were: “For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also” ( Matthew 6:21). Thanks 'Pastor' Kunle 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 9:04am On Aug 30, 2013 |
Anchor Your Life On His Word · Friday, August 30th Pastor Anita Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 24:35). God’s Word is the guaranteed change- agent that can transform you from glory to glory. Whatever positive change you desire in life is possible; you don’t have to cry about it; turn to the Word. Find out what the Word says concerning what you’re dealing with and then begin to meditate. 1 Timothy 4:15 tells us the inevitable result of meditating on the Word—your success and prosperity will be evident: "Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all." Many in the world today live in fear, following the uncertain global economic situation; that’s because their lives aren’t anchored on God’s eternal Word. When your life is anchored on the Word, nothing moves you. When men are cast down, whining and griping about the problems in the world, you’re unperturbed. Job 22:29 says, "When men are cast down, then thou shalt say, There is lifting up…." In other words, when your life is anchored on the Word, you’re like a tree that’s planted by the waters— forever nourished! You don’t know when heat comes; you’re ever radiant, productive, and excelling from glory to glory. Your success and prosperity aren’t in the hands of any government; neither are they determined by the vagaries of the world’s economy or changeable human opinions. True success and prosperity are based on the Word. If you desire a life of continuous progress and ever- increasing glory; a life that’s safe, stable and assured; you have to keep living in the Word. Study and meditate on the Word always. Avail yourself the opportunity to hear the Word through every available medium. If you listen well and long enough, the Word will mingle with your spirit, giving you an extraordinary mind-set of excellence, dominion, victory, success and greatness. Confession The Word of God is my life; therefore, it’s natural for me to live in, and by the Word. My profiting through the Word is manifest to all! As I put the Word to work today, I’m metamorphosed into the glory that I behold in the Word, and I’m filled with all the fullness of God. Glory to God! f u r t h e r s t u d y: Acts 20:32; James 1:23-25; Psalms 119:89 Daily Scripture Reading 1 Year Reading Plan : Proverbs 3-4 1 Corinthians 14 2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 19:41-48 1 Samuel 18 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 10:41pm On Aug 29, 2013*. Modified: 9:11am On Aug 30, 2013 |
JMAN05: You cannot separate a man from his word. Thats true, but for the fact that Jesus sat at the right hand of God, does it not constitute separation?If you cnt separate a man from his word, John 1 says Jesus is God's word, meaning they aint separable..simple. If you say the right hand of God is literal, whereas I said it mean place of total power and authority, I then have questions for you abt the Right hand of God: 1. Does the LORD (Jehovah-God) have a physical right hand , which defeated the Egyptians, imparted deliverance to Israel, brought salvation ...etc ? 1. Is Jesus standing (as in Acts 7:55) or sitting (as in Hebrews 1:3) ? 2. How many thrones are required to contain the Most High ? See Rev 4:1-5, and Rev 5:1-7 3. Is there complete victory for the people of the LORD (Israel), or is His right hand restrained ? Will it not be reasonable then to conclude that Jesus was a personality who spoke for God, instead of viewing him as the word in a literal sense? What do you think? Well, that doesnt mean that God cannot speak.No it won't be reasonable. You just answered urself Of a thousand and one places God spoke in d bible where did you see/hear Jesus was his spokesman at the time? If you'd said prophets, priests etc were God's spokesman, then no problem. Look at this scripture Ezekiel 36v37 New Living Translation "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am ready to hear Israel's prayers and to increase their numbers like a flock. Pls point out who SPOKE and WHERE JESUS was d spokesman. Find any place in d bible whr Jesus was a spokesman Secondly, Jesus as a spirit person in the heaven can be made flesh. Angels in the past were able to materialise human flesh.Is Jesus an Angel? I tot angels are ministers (servants)? And my bible said we believers would Judge angels? Are you saying we are higher than Jesus who you likened to an Angel? Now if we are to say that Jesus was just a literal word of God, the question is, who spoke from heaven during Jesus' baptism?Tot you said Jesus was a spokesman? Who spoke from heaven then if the spokesman was on earth? Go study John 1 hard. Jesus was God's Word made FLESH...God spoke (this time without his spokesman )not to His Word (Jesus) but to the Whole Creation..water, land, demons, nairaland, seun, etc. God wasn't addressing Jesus, because Everything He (God) has said (His Word) was embodied in Flesh, Jesus. I also do not think he was just a word during. his prehuman existence. Why? Let's turn to Dan. 7:13, 14.Sir I'd appreciate you outline your bible used. And yeah, that's the RIGHT HAND of power av been talking abt. Total rule, dominion, power and authority. This is the same right hand (not physical/literal right hand as you think) he used to defeat israel's enemies, and so on. And yes, he was God's word before God made him flesh to serve as perfect sacrifice for redemption of man. Daniel saw a vision, just as he did in the latter part of his book, where he saw the End of Time. He was conceived of the HolySpirit (don't you know what conceive mean) meaning he never existed as a person in Heaven, til he resurrection and ascension, how then did you conclude he was a spokesman? Wen God first spoke in Genesis 1, going by your spokesman analogy, Jesus was formed/created as you said in the other thread, then he became his spokesman...does this seem sound to you? You said that he was WITH God in the begining. A thing in you cant be WITH you, rather it will be IN you. Not so?Again I ask, can you separate a man from his words? Your words are IN you and same as WITH you. If your words are evil, evil is IN you and WITH you. Can you be separated from your word, so that it is assigned authority, or sits elsewhere instead of in you?President GEJ can be in Aso Rock and his spoken word is having FULL presidential authority in Maiduguri. It doesn't mean he was separated from his word...it means he has authority, so are his words wherever the word goes. Thanks for your quotation. Now, lets see what verse 15 says. Literally, it says "who is image of the God the invisible, FIRSTBORN of ALL creation". (Wescott and Hott word for word translation)Is Jesus an Angel? I told you to put your bible reference. I'd love you to use KJV or NLT or NIV...because Jehova Witnesses I've come across never use ALL bible translation, except ummm...forgot that its name sef. Quote the above from ANY bible except this your version, and you'd be shocked at the huge difference your quotation is from other. No? After you do that, I'd now show you that Proverbs 8 was about Wisdom It self. Hope you know the 7 spirits of God? Wisdom is one of them..checkout Isaiah 11v2 to see the 7 spirits, also Rev 4:5 Jesus has many privileges. Both that of judging and forgiving. The bible shows that God view Jesus as unique, as such God assign him MANY MANY privileges. REMEMBER THAT IT WAS GOD THAT ASSIGNS HIM PRIVILEGES. We read:John 10v30 I and MY FATHER are ONE. Melchizedek was likened to Jesus, he was unique how many privileges God gave him? Did you notice that the son CANNOT do anything of his own initiative? So Jesus can do Many things because God gave him the authority or allowed him. But Jesus states that woeship is for his father alone. Luke 4:8.Twas because he was now flesh, he now has his own will, little wonder he said not my will, but your will be done. He had limits as he was in flesh, he felt pain, cried, got tired, etc. He was MAN, and hence needed the father' initiatives to get the work the Father sent him on earth to do, done. Jesus is a servant of God. So he himself calls Him God. So if we see serve or worship assigned to Jesus it means prostrate or that the worship is giving to the almighty through Jesus since Jesus serves Him too.Jesus serves God? Funny fellow. In heaven now, Jesus is serving God? Col 2v9 tells me that it pleased God that in Jesus should ALL the fullness of the Godhead dwell. Meaning when we Get to heaven, we see Jesus on the Throne...Why!? Because the Godhead dwells in him...for God exalted him and gave him a name that is above ALL (not some) names, that in the name of Jesus ALL (not some) knees should bow, in HEAVEN, on earth, and below the earth. Now, tell me how Jesus in heaven is serving God in heaven? Jesus worship God while on earth, because he then has his own will as a man, he needed God to fulfil his work on earth, and He needed God for the supernatural life. Ya am one of them, however, we are discussing the bible, not religion.My JW people...pls use KJV or any other bible, preferably NLT or NIV or AMP aside your bible version. Else, I won't take your bible quotation serious. And pls answer ALL d questions I put forth, in a short and precise way. Thanks 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was God The Creator Of Evil? (poverty, Sickness, Natural Disasters, Etc) by Gombs(op): 10:00pm On Aug 29, 2013 |
JMAN05: https://www.nairaland.com/1417700/jesus-just-literal-word-godAii |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Grace Is And Isn't by Gombs(m): 9:15am On Aug 29, 2013 |
Round of Applause...standing ovation from me...Nice points OP... #Glory |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was God The Creator Of Evil? (poverty, Sickness, Natural Disasters, Etc) by Gombs(op): 7:14am On Aug 29, 2013 |
JMAN05: You cannot separate a man from his word. Thats true, but for the fact that Jesus sat at the right hand of God, does it not constitute separation? Will it not be reasonable then to conclude that Jesus was a personality who spoke for God, instead of viewing him as the word in a literal sense? What do you think? Well, that doesnt mean that God cannot speak.Pls let's open another thread. I need you to do that. Post your reason for saying Jesus aint same as God...and I'd follow counter wise. Sorry, my fone was bad yday |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 7:04am On Aug 29, 2013 |
Our Righteousness: What It Is And What It Gives · Thursday, August 29th Pastor Chris But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption (1 Corinthians 1:30). One of the things our righteousness in Christ gives us is "right standing." Our opening verse in the Amplified reads, "But it is from Him that you have your life in Christ Jesus, Whom God made our….Righteousness [thus making us upright and putting us in right standing with God]…." Right standing is the right or ability to stand in the presence of God without guilt, fear, inferiority, or condemnation. You received this ability from God when you were born again. You can now stand in His mighty, awesome presence with boldness. This wasn’t by your own doing; God made it so. You can now fellowship with Him, and relate to Him as your loving, gracious heavenly Father. Sometimes, when we pray and say, "I command such-and-such in the Name of Jesus," there’re those who ask, "how dare you talk like that before God?" It’s because we found out what righteousness is, and what it gives: right standing before God. God imparted it to us in Christ Jesus. Jesus is our ability to appear boldly before the Father without blame but in love. Something else that righteousness gives you is "rightwiseness"; the ability to be right; the ability to know what’s good and right from God’s standpoint. You have the ability to do what is right in the presence of a Holy God. He alone knows what’s right; when He imparts your spirit with righteousness, you’re able to see and know what He sees to be right. This is the reason you can live right and practice righteousness; right living is a result of your righteousness. Maybe there’s a habit you want to stop, don’t say, "I don’t know how to stop it," because His righteousness is your ability to stop anything. All you have to do is say, "In the Name of Jesus Christ, I put a stop to this habit." Don’t say, "O, Jesus, help me stop it." No! He already helped you by giving you His righteousness. Therefore, you now have the inherent ability to do what is right. Confession I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus; and not only do I have right standing with God, I have the ability to know and do what’s right. Therefore, I reign in life over circumstances. I’m a success; I’m changing lives everywhere as I unveil the righteousness of God through the Gospel. f u r t h e r s t u d y: Romans 5:17 Daily Scripture Reading 1 Year Reading Plan : Proverbs 1-2 1 Corinthians 13 2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 19:28-40 1 Samuel 17 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: TB Joshua And Chris Oyakilome Labelled By Cultists By Ghanaian Pastor Who Says H by Gombs(m): 7:29am On Aug 28, 2013 |
[quote author=henry/deelinkag]Ghanaian Bishop Isaac Owusu Bempah, Founder and Leader of the Glorious Word Power Ministries International, has labeled two of Nigeria's celebrated pastors as partners in winning souls for the devil. In the words of the controversial Owusu Bempah, the founding President of Believers' LoveWorld Incorporated, also known as"Christ Embassy", Dr Christian Oyakhilome (popularly known as"Pastor Chris"  and General Overseer of The Synagogue Church ofAll Nations (SCOAN), Prophet Temitope Balogun (aka TB) Joshua, are not "true men of God", but leaders of occults, winningsouls for the devil.This claim, according to Owusu-Bempah, is based on God's revelation to him in a vision as well as his own analysis of the scripture, works and conduct of the two popular heads of two religious organisations in Africa. Owusu-Bempah said he once heard Pastor Chris saying he saw nothing wrong with homosexuality and lesbianism, and wonderedwhich true man of God would lead his flock with such beliefs. "No doubt he [Pastor Chris] is a friend and partner of TB Joshua",Owusu-Bempa noted last week, claiming both men are dubious men of God who have a pact with the devil. For Owusu Bempah, Nigerians have allegedly realized the dubious character of the Nigerian televangelist faith healer and founding president of Christ Embassy and his partnership with TBJoshua and have consequently chased him out of the country to South Africa, where he presently resides. On TB Joshua, Owusu-Bempa claimed he once saw him with his feet on the floor preaching, an incident he said revealed to him that TB Joshua was not from God. "When you see anyone claiming to worship God who worships with his feet on the ground, he's an occultist. And TB Joshua is an occultist. "Ask yourself how TB Joshua, who claims God called him, worships with his feet on the ground? Let me tell you if you go to any church and you see the leader worshiping with his feet on the ground, it's a sign of demonism; it's occultic. People like that follow spirits that are not of God. It is occultic." According to him, God later revealed that TB Joshua was an occultist who did not draw his spiritual powers from God. "Some time ago, I used to like TB Joshua. I was watching him on television, and the Lord opened my eyes. I saw him with horns on his head, and he had the face of a wolf. His tongue was that of a snake and he had blood smeared all over his mouth." "Immediately, I rushed into my bedroom, and the Lord told me that he wasn't from Him, but was working under the authority of bad spirits," the pastor added. "That was when I realized TB Joshua was demonic and not of God." The man who has himself been labeled a false prophet by some of his critics, advised Ghanaians not to be misled by signs of wonders and so-called men of God whose powers do not come from God. He also accused TB Joshua in particular of sometimes faking miracles to win the confidence of his flock. "He can perform a clean miracle today and contaminate it with a lot of fake ones". Joshua claimed his "own junior pastor went to his church to be healed. He was forced to sit in a wheel chair and made to claim before the cameras that he had received his healing even though he hadn't. He returned to the country and within two weeks, he passed away", Owusu-Bempah stated. He again cautioned Ghanaians not to be in a hurry to attend the services of Prophet TB Joshua since he is the "anti-christ." "If you are a pastor who worked under him and he gets to know you want to reveal his secrets, he kills you directly," Owusu-Bempah alleged. "If no one is willing to say this, I will say it: TB Joshua is the anti-christ and an agent of the devil... I know of a pastor who attended his church, and when he should tell you about what he saw, your mouth would drop," he stated. Source: http://www.deelinkage.com/2013/05/tb-joshua-and-chris-oyakilome-labelled.html?m=1[/quote]I yam laffing in tongues o! Lol Imagine a pastor Judging or speaking against another...if this pastor said God revealed it to him, same God would have told him "do not judge " as He (God) spoke in Romans 14v4 I worship God atimes on my feet, I must be demonic then? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was God The Creator Of Evil? (poverty, Sickness, Natural Disasters, Etc) by Gombs(op): 5:58am On Aug 28, 2013 |
^^ I laff You said Jesus was a spokesperson? Can you separate a man from his words? Can you separate God from his words? Jesus never existed as a person in heaven until he resurrected and took off to heaven. He was simply God's spoken word. How then did you conclude he was a spokesperson? John said AND THE WORD was made flesh, you saying the spokesman was made flesh? God and his words are same, his word was it him from the beginning Jesus is seated at God right hand, it means he is on the seat OF POWER. What do you mean by 1Col 1v15? I'd assume you mean col 1v15 ? Col 1v15-20 MSG 15-18 We look at this Son and see the God who cannot be seen. We look at this Son and see God’s original purpose in everything created. For everything, absolutely everything, above and below, visible and invisible, rank after rank after rank of angels— everything got started in him and finds its purpose in him. He was there before any of it came into existence and holds it all together right up to this moment. And when it comes to the church, he organizes and holds it together, like a head does a body. 18-20 He was supreme in the beginning and—leading the resurrection parade—he is supreme in the end. From beginning to end he’s there, towering far above everything, everyone. So spacious is he, so roomy, that everything of God finds its proper place in him without crowding. Not only that, but all the broken and dislocated pieces of the universe—people and things, animals and atoms—get properly fixed and fit together in vibrant harmonies, all because of his death, his blood that poured down from the cross. After reading the above you conclude he's a SPOKESMAN for God? Is God mute? Or too busy to speak? And you got all your quotations wrong eg Col 1 v 15 and Col 1v 19 aint saying what you trying to say. How would you conclude Jesus was created? How? Except you mean God creted his Words right? But your words already resides in you before you say it? No? God knows man's heart.The Bible says Jesus knew what was in man’s heart. The Bible says only God can forgive sin. Well we know Jesus forgave sin. The Bible tells us we’re to worship God only. Jesus was to be worshipped and He received worship, especially after His Resurrection. So the characteristics that God has are described within the Bible, which Jesus contained. He is God the Son. God the Father so loved the world He sent God the Son, who died on our behalf and that’s portrayed in the Storacle of Abraham taking his son Isaac up the mountain. You sound Jehova Witness, pls open a thread let's discuss it further. Thanks 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 5:28am On Aug 28, 2013 |
The "Touch" Of Faith · Wednesday, August 28th · Pastor Chris And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me? (Luke 8:45). Luke 8:43-48 tells the story of the woman with the issue of blood, who having suffered terribly for twelve years, pushed her way through a teeming crowd to get to Jesus. She had said within herself, "If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole." Accordingly, she went ahead, "touched" the border of Jesus’ garment, and was healed instantly. This wasn’t an ordinary touch; it was a "touch" of faith, because the Lord felt the impact of it; so much so that He asked, "Who touched me?" His disciples wanted Him to shrug it off and said, "...Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?" (Luke 8:45). No; God doesn’t ignore the "touch" of faith; so the Master insisted, "...Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me" (Luke 8:46). The woman, knowing she had received a miracle, came and fell at the Master’s feet, and stated for what purpose she had touched Him. Rewarding her faith, Jesus said to her, "… Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace" (Luke 8:48). The Master identified her "touch" of faith as what connected her to her healing and wholeness. In the same vein, you can "touch" Jesus today and receive a miracle. How do you touch Him today? It’s through the Word; when your spirit makes contact with the Word. If God’s Word can "touch" you, it’s exactly the same as Jesus touching you. This touch is beyond the senses; it’s with your spirit. The Bible says with the heart —spirit—man believes unto righteousness (Romans 10:10); you believe with your spirit. When you believe God’s Word, and respond according to your believing, that’s the "touch" of your spirit. At that moment, you make contact with the power of God. The power only works when you believe with your spirit and act accordingly; that’s faith: it’s the response of the human spirit to the Word of God. Let the Word "touch" you today, and inspire the necessary faith-response from your spirit to receive the miracle you desire. Prayer Dear Father, I thank you for imparting faith to me through the Gospel. As I study your Word, my faith increases, and as I put it to work, it prevails and grows stronger. I’m living the supernatural life of victory, dominion and excellence in Jesus’ Name. Amen. f u r t h e r s t u d y: Hebrew 11:1; Mark 5:25-34 Daily Scripture Reading 1 Year Reading Plan : 1 Corinthians 12, Psalms 146-150 2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 19:20-27 1 Samuel 16 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was God The Creator Of Evil? (poverty, Sickness, Natural Disasters, Etc) by Gombs(op): 1:21pm On Aug 27, 2013 |
^^ Read about the KJV here www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version BTW means by the way The world was created through Jesus because God created everything through WORDS, Jesus was God's Words made flesh. John 1 He is the Exact of his BEIGN... Definition of EXACT : exhibiting or marked by strict , particular, and complete accordance with fact or a standard. God is a Spirit, Jesus being EXACT as his being means He was Complete as God is. Okay, can you explain this if you thing Jesus and God aint same Colossian 2v9-10 9 For in Christ ALL the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. Two questions sir, 1. What deity was Paul talkin of? 2. I thought that God was ALL powerful ie he Has Power over EVERY (ALL) things? But Paul just told us Jesus is the Head of EVERY (ALL) Power and authority. Does that not suggest Exactness? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: COZA Introduces Online Payment Of Tithes, Offerings, Seeds & Pledges by Gombs(m): 12:57pm On Aug 27, 2013 |
ettybaba: How does paying and collecting your offering, tithe e.t.c online turn into robbery? Would you be happier if they collect cash?He's against all forms of collection, because according to him, the church members are 'poor' |
| Christianity Etc › Re: COZA Introduces Online Payment Of Tithes, Offerings, Seeds & Pledges by Gombs(m): 12:54pm On Aug 27, 2013 |
Angyee: na today? My church has been doing it for a while. In fact you can pay via text too. This is not an issue as someone has said....next!www.ldsmobile.net/pay-your-tithing-online-with-billpay/ www.easytithe.com/why.htm www.community.babycenter.com/post/a38457802/paying_tithing_online This has been happening in other parts of the world. Nigerians sef! Why make COZA's new online tech a big deal? Most churches in Nigeria does this before COZA... Na wa o |
| Christianity Etc › Re: COZA Introduces Online Payment Of Tithes, Offerings, Seeds & Pledges by Gombs(m): 12:32pm On Aug 27, 2013 |
Wonderful news!! The Church is marching on. #GloryToGod'sName 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Superior To Death by Gombs(m): 12:29pm On Aug 27, 2013 |
I'm above Death...I'm not the dying type. *waiting for canal minds to say "so, you will not die shey?" #Glory 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Believers Should Speak In Tongues by Gombs(m): 12:23pm On Aug 27, 2013 |
^^ I'm done with d dude. *unfollows thread 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Believers Should Speak In Tongues by Gombs(m): 11:13am On Aug 27, 2013*. Modified: 11:32am On Aug 27, 2013 |
shdemidemi: 1 cor 13 getting it twisted again and yet not answering the question. Let's look at it in the GNB translation8 Love is eternal. There are inspired messages, but they are temporary; there are gifts of speaking in strange tongues, but they will cease; there is knowledge, but it will pass. 9 For our gifts of knowledge and of inspired messages are only partial; 10 but when what is perfect comes, then what is partial will disappear. In verse 8, Paul mentioned three gifts prophecies, tongues, knowledgeCorrect He moved to verse 9, He mentioned two gifts that we have in part leaving out tongues. We have two gifts in verse 9 in part, the gift of knowledge and prophesyAlso correct, and it's simply because tongues aint in part na (ie we don't know only a portion of speaking in tongues, do we? If we do, tell me how? Note as MSG translated same We know only a portion of the truth, and what we say about God is always incomplete. NOW the big question is....has Knowledge been done away with Today as you conversely said "speaking in tongues is done away with" as at present. Stop interchanging prophesy and prophecy pls. There is a difference between how prophecy and knowledge come to an end, and how the gift of languages (tongues) does, as indicated by the Greek verb forms used. (Prophecy does not mean forecasting or telling the future. The gift of prophecy in its true biblical definition means simply “speaking forth,” or “proclaiming publicly” to which the connotation of prediction was added sometime in the Middle Ages. Oya answer the question in bold above 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Believers Should Speak In Tongues by Gombs(m): 10:22am On Aug 27, 2013 |
^^ This question he asked and many others has been answered pages back...but the dude has a thing for redundancy. He wants to keep wallowing in same mud, even after you've adequately furnished him with biblical facts. 2 Likes |
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