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Chai!

Pastor Olu T: This is not about spreading strife, why should it even cross my mind after how far I have come?
I care so much about others especial the young converts which is why I have said nothing after all this times, my joy is that the word is preached whichever way and souls are coming to Christ.
Even if at all I am going to share anything, there won't be names n neither will I attack anyone, I will just share truth according to the leading of the spirit. But believe me when I say seeing the next day is a miracle, this should give u a clue into what I am going thru, and keeping quiet about it should also give u a clue to my kind of person.
Stay blessed and remain rapturable

PM me fast

Tnx

Lemme run before Kunle poach me.

Accept What He’s Already Given You · Wednesday, September 11th

Pastor Chris

According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue (2 Peter 1:3).


This is one of those "shouting verses" in the Bible; you couldn’t read this and not be exuberant with praise to God. Think about it: there’s nothing He hasn’t made available to you in Christ Jesus. Everything you need to live triumphantly—in dominion, excellence, and righteousness—has already been given to you in Christ Jesus. The question then is, have you accepted what He has given you?

It’s one thing for God to give you all things, but it’s another thing for you to accept what He’s already given you, and act accordingly. Having heard that His divine power has given you all things that pertain to life and godliness, you ought to talk and live as one who knows he’s got all things. God didn’t make a promise to give you all things; He already gave you all things. So talk like you own the world, for you do. 1 Corinthians 3:21 says, "…all things are yours…"; have that consciousness; refuse to let anyone or circumstances make you think, talk or act otherwise.

Study the Word to know all that God has given you. For example, 1John 5:11-12 tells us, "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life." This means God has given us His type of life: the victorious life that’s not subject to Satan, disease, sickness, failure or defeat!

No wonder in the very next verse the Apostle John exclaimed: "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God" (1 John 5:13). Philemon 1:6 teaches that the communication of your faith becomes effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing, which is in you in Christ Jesus. Therefore, be bold to affirm, proclaim and rejoice about all that God has given to you in Christ Jesus: sing, dance, and shout about it!

Confession

I’m who God says I am, and I have what He says I have. I’m an heir of the Sovereign, and I’m reigning as a king in life. Eternal life is my present-hour possession! Yes! the victorious life is mine; I live above sickness, disease, poverty, failure, and death, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Hebrews 11:6; 1 Corinthians 3:21-23; Ephesians 1:3
Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : 2 Corinthians 11:1-15, Proverbs 29-31

2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 22:24-34, 1 Samuel 30

Where is Kunle sef?

I need the facebook link o
What I know is that the said guy is a figment of Mr Kunle's bizarre imaginations or he was an attention seeker. Though it's typical for Kunle to be on the strange side, I never could guess how low he could stoop to propagate falsity.

Kingscee: That guy na BOKO HARAM member. Winners church wey i dey go every sunday at SANGO OTA no dey misbehave like dat. That guy carry BOMB inside his car, God almighty just use dat usher guy save thousand people. Glory be 2 God almighty.

Abi o

www.nairaland.com/1432172/pastor-kumuyi-does-not-recognize#18016271

Na wa o! Oga mod, this above thread was started before this one you brought to FP na!


I must report to Seun


BTW, the 'Prophetess' Lied. #Shikena

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Till den

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Let's just say I have wisdom, knowledge and understanding


In fact, I'm using Joagbaje's Spirit, any kweshuns?

Exodus 31v3 King James Bible

And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom,
and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all
manner of workmanship,

God has always emphasized on these 3....no wonder Wisdom aint just enough for the good life, though Christ has been made unto us wisdom, we still need knowledge and understanding of Him as Eph 1v17 says
...That He may give to you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the full knowledge of him.

I must say, I always tot wisdom n knowledge n understanding were all same. Not until last week.

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The spirit of God would not want you to spread strife. He doesn't confirm his works through strife either. Your motive however right it seems, think of young believers your story might drive to atheism. Let the love of God constrain you. 2corinth 5v14

I'd advice you to keep praying for the Church of God, n its leaders. If you wanna chaange church, fine...but don't make it a public affair thing. You reverence some people here who know you personally, what of reverencing the Holyspirit who made you?

I was beaten thoroughly by
about 12 people, my clothes torn and i was dragged
on d floor for having d audacity to bring law
enforcement to Church, I was screaming and shouting so badly that d pastors on d pulpit inside had to send someone to find out what was going on. They sent a man I later identified as "Elder Gboje" who was d
first person to ask "what is going on here?". D church
guys were like "we told him not to park he parked, so
we deflated his tyre and he went to call police".
When he asked me my answers were simple, I said
"willful damage of my car and aggravated assault on
my person". D man immediately recognized that I was a knowledgeable person, he spoke sternly with them
and asked them to fix d car while he took me into a
church office room upstairs in my tattered clothes,
each time I wanted to speak he just asked me be
quiet and they offered me cold water, and all sorts
of orange juice and drinks.

Looks like some Super Story/ Nollywood act

Like seriously? 12 people beating one man?
Dats 12 folks without the love of God in their heart, even if one got angry, the other 11 too got angry as well?
He was dragged on the floor?? By the 12?? are you sure he didn't go there to steal a car?

Aw many pastors are on winners chapel pulpit? Tot tis one pastor on a pulpit at a time? Abi the pulpit na 'hungry man size' type with like 5pastors standing alongside?

If he were a knowledgeable person, he won't go park where he was asked no to park, he won't wanna get mobbed (assuming 12 folks gathered round him with anger : your story funny sha), he won't say he wore a 9yr old clothe to church, no matter how special it was to you (9yr old clothes? He must be a frugal fellow , him no dey grow fat or slim? )

They even gave him cold water and juice sef (which he obviously drank- dat guy was a hungry fellow joor n, I'm sure he wanted communion bread too or expected a plate of rice/moi moi )...if I were d pastor, I'd get him born again fast

Pastor Kun: Yes it's a eye witness account of what Oyedepo said when his thugs attacked the Ogun state govt officials.

You also peddle in hear-say/rumours too? All in a lame attempt to polish your 'points'?

If the 'eye witness' said something in conformity with Oyedepo, you will not believe it nor proliferate it

@OP I didn't see a facebook link hence it's another make up story, if he gave you permission to spread the news, n wants d whole world to knw his plight, the link shd be provided for the whole world to see. Afterall, dat Coza lady gave her facebook, twitter, blog etc sef

And you just posting pro-Pastor Kun ideology is way beyond desperation.

And one of my mentors late Idahosa (who brought up oyedepo) had much fury than the Gun thing you spoke abt Oyedepo (assuming it is true), are you saying Papa Idahosa was fake or evil?

Why do you hate Churches dat don't agree with your ideology of what your christianity shd be like? This story is one sided, I didn't read the whole due to the matured bias I spotted on each sentence. The thing remains that Winner's Chapel has their own view of things, 'your friend' has his...why not wait for Winner's Chapel's version of the scenario b4 you spew your venom?

Preach The Gospel Without Fear! · Tuesday, September 10th

Pastor Chris

…Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace: For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city (Acts 18:9-10).

There’re millions of people in different countries around the world who have never heard the Gospel. This is mainly because, in many of these countries, the authorities have used the weapon of fear, persecution and intimidation to suppress and prevent the preaching of the Gospel. Acts 4:12 tells us, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." We must therefore continue to preach the Gospel without fear, knowing that there’s no alternative to salvation.

No amount of intimidation in this world should shake and prevent you from preaching the Gospel once your faith is firmly rooted in the Word. Our God is the God of the universe; He owns the whole world and has all power. He’s your defence; therefore, no power or authority in this world can hurt or harm you for preaching the Gospel.

Moses fearlessly confronted Pharaoh with God’s message, yet Pharaoh couldn’t kill him, even though he had the "political might" to have ordered Moses’ execution. Why couldn’t he? Moses was on a mission from the Lord, and his understanding of the importance of that mission, made him fearless. The Lord protects you as a soul winner. Recall what we read in our opening verse. The Lord is comforting you today with the same words, urging you on, and to remain unflinching in the propagation of the Gospel.

Don’t let the fear of man or of any government hold you back from believing and preaching the Gospel as you should. The Gospel must be taken to the unreached everywhere in the world. In achieving this, we must remain fearless, knowing that we’re functioning under the mandate of Him whose Name is greater than any institution, authority, rulership, or power.

Prayer

Dear Father, I thank you for your Spirit who causes me to walk in your perfect will, and in the consciousness of my responsibility as a minister of reconciliation. I pray for many around the world today, living in regions with hostile legislation to the Gospel, that the dominion of your Spirit will be stirred in them to affirm your Word fearlessly, and in faith, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Isaiah 43:5; Isaiah 54:16-17; Ephesians 1:3
Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : 2 Corinthians 10:1-18, Proverbs 27-28

2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 22:14-23, 1 Samuel 29

Express Your Faith · Monday, September 9th

Pastor Chris

…And this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith (1 John 5:4).


To take advantage of God’s extraordinary power in overcoming life’s adversities, you must learn to express your faith. Our faith is the victory that overcomes the world. However, faith, not expressed, will not prevail. Faith without corresponding action is of no effect: "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" (James 2:17 & 26).

You express your faith in words and actions. An example of this is seen in Mark 10:46-52, where the story is told of a blind man, named Bartimaeus, who repeatedly cried out to Jesus to have mercy on him. Naturally, you would have expected the Lord Jesus to approach him and heal him of his blindness right away; but that’s not what He did! Rather, when He came face-to-face with the blind man, He asked him, "What do you want me to do for you?"

Didn’t the Lord see that he was blind? Yes, but at the same time, He wasn’t going to assume anything. When you study the ministry of Jesus, you’ll discover He always wanted people to express their faith. Even though it was obvious Bartimaeus was blind, Jesus still wanted him to express his faith as the point of contact for his miracle. In response, the blind man said, "I want to receive my sight." Having said that, the Lord went ahead and healed him.

Don’t cry or complain to God about your situation; express your faith! Jesus said, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you can tell a mountain to move, and it’ll obey you. In other words, you’re supposed to do something with your faith; if you express your faith, nothing shall be impossible unto you (Matthew 17:20).

Act on the Word today, for faith is action added to the Word. Each time you pray, rejoice like someone that has received. Some rejoice, so they’ll receive; that’s not faith. Faith rejoices, knowing it has received! Express your faith by believing God’s Word, and then talk and act accordingly.

Confession  My faith is growing and prevailing, producing greater results as I put it to work. The forces of righteousness, success, divine health, victory, and prosperity are activated in my life as I live in God’s Word, guided and inspired by divine wisdom to fulfil God’s perfect will for me, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Mark 11:22-24; James 2:16-17

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : 2 Corinthians 8-9, Proverbs 24-26

2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 22:1-13, 1 Samuel 28

Nehemiah459: Imagine a church where the preacher is stressing on tithe, offering, and giving.
Is this what the Bible/Jesus/Paul said?

Example of such church?...I'm shocked!!!

noblefada: @gombs why don't just read the scriptures, one Abraham only paid tithe once, while he was still Abram, he did not pay it from his own possession, Isaac in Gen 26 was so richly blessed by God, but never paid tithe, Jacob actually gave God conditions for him to pay tithe, but there is no place in the scriptures where it was recorded he fulfilled this vow. Pls study my broad study

God!!!
I need a recess
Going over tithing every now and then is not wisdom. Believe wht you will...end of discussion

Cheers!

*unfollows thread

Candour: My questions which you refused to answer is 'why do you reference Mal 3 to prove Abraham's tithe when you SURELY know Mal 3 clearly referenced MOSAIC LAW?'

Did God speak what wa in Mal 3? Emphatically Yes

Was God refering to the Law of Moses? I can't say, but if he were, aw does that nullify d fact that Moses adopted tithing from Abraham?

Goshen360: You know what you doing, that's why you laughing. You can't show tithe was part of or included in the Abrahamic covenant because because there's no scripture like that. What that means is, you adding to what was written.

You pointed Christ quoting tithe in Matthew 23:23, that was tithe ACCORDING TO THE LAW. That was tithe COMMANDED, Abraham's tithe wasn't COMMANDED BUT VOLUNTARY. Besides, Abraham was pronounced blessed FIRST by melchi, then he gave. Today, preacher lie to church people that tithe and then God will bless you. You see the difference?

3. If you are Christ's then you are Abraham's seed is simply the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant - in you (Abraham) shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Meaning, Christ will come through the lineage of Abraham. That's the covenant fulfilled.

Lol, I laff.
Quick quiz

1.who did Jacob learn tithing from?
2. Btw d 430 yrs of abraham's tithing and moses's law folks must have been tithing, no?
3.Did God make a tithing covenant with Jacob? Did Jacob give voluntarily?


Jesus saith these guys shd obey the scribes...why? Because the sat at the seat of moses...and ame Jesus saith he didn't come to abolish the law and the prophets...then what? He wasn't against tithing, for he knew abt abraham's tithe deed, he knew abt the law. In other words, did Jesus condemn tithing or commended it?

Preachers did not lie, God himself spoke those words. You shd be careful o. God himself said bring em tithes and he well cause a blessing...

Not he will cause a blessing and you'd bring tithes. And In case of abraham and melchizedek, Melchizedek blessed abraham and abraham gave a tenth. Has God blessed you? If yes, y aren't you giving a tenth?

See prov 3v9 NLT
New Living Translation
Honor the LORD with your wealth and with the best
part of everything you produce.

Abraham honored melchizedek with his increase after he was blessed by Melch. Now you shd honor God with your substance and increase (God's asking for a tenth, don't be stingy na) after he's blessed u

Candour: My brother, I answered you in my very first post. Pls go back and check again.its post number 38.in case you can't still see it(though that will be very weird indeed), here is your answer again GOD was speaking there as he also spoke in Mal 4:4.

So can you now answer my own question?

Na wa o, Mal 4v4 is talking abt the law of moses which I told you is truncated. We aint under it, however, answer this, is tithing before d law or after?

BTW post 38 is Goshen's post..I always knew Candour and Goshen might be same folks.

you didn't ask a question in post 38 neither did Goshen. But if you mean post 39 with this question

"So what do you think? Dont you think its inconsistent
to only pick tithe out of all?"

Tithe is before d law..stop being redundant in questioning. I won't answer this again o

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Wicked copy and paste


We are using our brains n scriptures, you go and do copy and paste. That's plagiarism and you are cheating

Candour: You referenced it my bro.

I also gave u an answer.

You asked me a series of questions and I answered you. Is it too much to ask you just one question?

Why did you reference Mal 3 if all you were talking about was Abraham's tithe?

Also in case you don't know, Jesus Christ also referenced Moses tithe NOT Abraham's tithe hence his reference to weightier matters of THE LAW.Our Lord was talking about MOSAIC LAW OF TITHING. Pls don't pretend about this.Go back to Matt 23:23 and read it slowly.

Shey you can't answer who's speaking in Mal 3? I referenced Mal 3 because. Of who was speaking...and I knw it wasn't malachi quoting the law, nor moses, nor the law of moses nor you.

@defemz
Note the new covenant was an upgrade of the old..the new had berra promises...the old was full of faults and the new corrected all d flaws
and faults. The old was about obedience of Laws which was impossible to keep all of it, the new was doing the law (not Laws this time) which is simple Love one another as Jesus has loved us.

The old testament folks were called to be obedient children, NT folks are already children of obedience, because of Christ's obedience.

And abt peter, wot Jesus meant by "I will build my church on this rock..." was that Christianity would be based on what Peter said which is "thou art the Christ, son of the Living God" remember Jesus said flesh and blood has not revealed that to peter, sha dats anoda days topic.

Candour: So why did you quote Mal 3 to support your argument or you didn't know Mal 3 was a reference to tithes instituted in the law of Moses?

Did I quote Mal 3? Even if I did, was it God speaking in malachi 3 or Moses or the law of Moses?

Who was speaking in malachi 3?

Might I add, tithe was not started by Moses' law

deluckiest: Hey Gombs, please take it easy on Goshen. If you know the scripture so well why don't you correct him like others have been doing with scriptures back up.

Peace!

Noted

Goshen360: It was first mentioned BEFORE the law with Abraham. The question is, is the tithe included by God to Abraham when making the covenant. If tithe was include in the Abrahamic covenant, kindly show us scripture, not just talking.

SMH, if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed. Now the covenant God had with Abraham was because of his faith. ALL Abraham did pleased God, why?? Because of faith. Abraham tithed in faith, Jacob did too

Genesis 28: 20: ”And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: And this stone, which I haveset for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.”

Are you sayin Jacob gave voluntarily too? Who did he learn it from? Abraham tithed 430yrs b4 moses's law. Moses' law adopted it, obviously.

If you looking for scripture where God including tithe in the covenant, you won't find any,
Jesus is Abraham's seed, and Jesus recognized tithing. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus recognized or commended the Pharisees for tithing. Tithing was the only thing they were doing right.

Candour: Abraham's VOLUNTARY tithe sure.

Ok, abraham gave tithe...what covenant birthed the NT?

If you said twas voluntary tithe, you mean to say he arbitrarily gave to Melchizedek who was of same priesthood as Jesus?

You think its all a coincidence? Have you ever wondered why he was called father of faith? The man knew the things of God way before his saga abt sacrificing isaac. He could have given any man arbitrarily, or given 20% or 50%, why 10% and to a priest same as Jesus?

You think twas all a coincidence?

Candour: Which tithing exactly are you talking about my brother?

Abraham's voluntary giving of 10% of WAR SPOILS to Melchisedek(He refused to take the remaining 90% mind you)

or the Yearly tithing which you and your family are meant to share in a feast at Jerusalem(Deut 14:22-26)

or the tri-ennial tithing which isreal gave to the levites, widows, fatherless and strangers(Deut 14:28-29) and which the levite gave 10% of to the Priests(Num 18:26-30, Neh 10:37-38)

Which Tithe are you exactly talking about my bro?

From all you quoted, which falls within the law of moses? And which falls before the law of moses?

Candour: God said it and its the same God that said what was in Mal 4:4
Mal 4:4
'Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which i commanded him in Horeb for all Isreal, with the statutes and judgements'

To get all what God commanded him, go to Deut chapter 5 to chapter 26

Also i know you'll quote Matt 23:23 to tell me Jesus asked you to tithe but pls can you go back some verses and let us start at verse 1 of that chapter

Matt 23:1-3
'The spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,2.Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat:3.All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.'

Let me interpret for you, If you believe you're the person referred to in Mal 3, you must also agree Mal 4:4 is for you and there it said to KEEP THE LAWS OF MOSES. If you say Matt 23:23 binds you to tithe, then Matt 23:1-3 BINDS you to OBEY ALL WHATSOEVER the Scribes and Pharisees tell you to and there are 613 of such laws.

So what do you think? Dont you think its inconsistent to only pick tithe out of all?

As for the lack mentality, dont you think this line is childish and getting out of fashion? I'm sure you dont expect people to bring their account balances to Nairaland just to prove to you that they are very successful even without paying the 10% royalty?

A quick quiz.

Is tithing before or after the law of moses?

Goshen360: I have shown you where it says the new is NOT LIKE the old. All you need do is show from scripture that it's a CONTINUATION. Also remember, Matthew to John is NOT the new testament\covenant.

Sir, God made a covenant with Abraham and also with Moses, which are you actually refering to?

If twas Moses' covenant, we no longer under them
Why?

What comparison does God make between the two
covenants ie the one he made with moses n the new one which Jesus brought?

"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." Hebrews 8:6-7.

But if its abraham's, the covenant was faultless and that covenant birthed the NT

In summary, God's covenant with Moses was a subset of God's covenant with Abraham.

Hence, the continuation I was speaking abt was Abraham's covenant, Moses' covenant was truncated. And Tithing is not of the law of moses.

Reyginus: Lol. I'm not sure you know what you are talking about.

Oblige me

Goshen360: That's where the difference between the old and new covenant comes to play. Malachi says bring it SO THAT GOD will THEN OPEN WINDOWS OF HEAVEN AND POUR YOUR BLESSINGS. That's a conditional covenant!

After Christ said it is finished, the work was completed and the blood sealed the new covenant. We don't give because WE WANT A BENEFIT but because WE ALREADY BLESSED BY CHRIST'S COMPLETED WORK.

There's no Windows shut against believers from the time Christ said, it is finished. Every believer now HAVE ACCESS TO THE HEAVENLY FATHER.

Who said what was in malachi 3? God or malachi?

Your problem is that you believe for example"No weapon fashioned against you shall prosper...", or "the lord is my shepherd, I shall not want" you didn't argue that the priesthood is changed or the covenant is changed, or that Jesus has come or somtin...but when it got to tithing, all because money's involved, you went all priesthood and covenant (mixing everything wrongly while at it). You have a lack mentality, a consciousness of things been taken from you...that's not Christ-like bro!

Bidam tearing some dude to shreds


@Goshen, you are just showing you have little knowledge of the bible.

The NT is found on the promise God made Abraham, if you now saying God made a new one, question is with who did he make the new one?

Bottom line, dnt mistake Moses's Law for the covenant God made with Abraham. in a nut shell, the NT is a continuation of the old testament.

Stop mincing scriptures to suit you.