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Nehemiah459: Imagine a church where the preacher is stressing on tithe, offering, and giving.
Is this what the Bible/Jesus/Paul said?

Example of such church?...I'm shocked!!!

noblefada: @gombs why don't just read the scriptures, one Abraham only paid tithe once, while he was still Abram, he did not pay it from his own possession, Isaac in Gen 26 was so richly blessed by God, but never paid tithe, Jacob actually gave God conditions for him to pay tithe, but there is no place in the scriptures where it was recorded he fulfilled this vow. Pls study my broad study

God!!!
I need a recess
Going over tithing every now and then is not wisdom. Believe wht you will...end of discussion

Cheers!

*unfollows thread

Candour: My questions which you refused to answer is 'why do you reference Mal 3 to prove Abraham's tithe when you SURELY know Mal 3 clearly referenced MOSAIC LAW?'

Did God speak what wa in Mal 3? Emphatically Yes

Was God refering to the Law of Moses? I can't say, but if he were, aw does that nullify d fact that Moses adopted tithing from Abraham?

Goshen360: You know what you doing, that's why you laughing. You can't show tithe was part of or included in the Abrahamic covenant because because there's no scripture like that. What that means is, you adding to what was written.

You pointed Christ quoting tithe in Matthew 23:23, that was tithe ACCORDING TO THE LAW. That was tithe COMMANDED, Abraham's tithe wasn't COMMANDED BUT VOLUNTARY. Besides, Abraham was pronounced blessed FIRST by melchi, then he gave. Today, preacher lie to church people that tithe and then God will bless you. You see the difference?

3. If you are Christ's then you are Abraham's seed is simply the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant - in you (Abraham) shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Meaning, Christ will come through the lineage of Abraham. That's the covenant fulfilled.

Lol, I laff.
Quick quiz

1.who did Jacob learn tithing from?
2. Btw d 430 yrs of abraham's tithing and moses's law folks must have been tithing, no?
3.Did God make a tithing covenant with Jacob? Did Jacob give voluntarily?


Jesus saith these guys shd obey the scribes...why? Because the sat at the seat of moses...and ame Jesus saith he didn't come to abolish the law and the prophets...then what? He wasn't against tithing, for he knew abt abraham's tithe deed, he knew abt the law. In other words, did Jesus condemn tithing or commended it?

Preachers did not lie, God himself spoke those words. You shd be careful o. God himself said bring em tithes and he well cause a blessing...

Not he will cause a blessing and you'd bring tithes. And In case of abraham and melchizedek, Melchizedek blessed abraham and abraham gave a tenth. Has God blessed you? If yes, y aren't you giving a tenth?

See prov 3v9 NLT
New Living Translation
Honor the LORD with your wealth and with the best
part of everything you produce.

Abraham honored melchizedek with his increase after he was blessed by Melch. Now you shd honor God with your substance and increase (God's asking for a tenth, don't be stingy na) after he's blessed u

Candour: My brother, I answered you in my very first post. Pls go back and check again.its post number 38.in case you can't still see it(though that will be very weird indeed), here is your answer again GOD was speaking there as he also spoke in Mal 4:4.

So can you now answer my own question?

Na wa o, Mal 4v4 is talking abt the law of moses which I told you is truncated. We aint under it, however, answer this, is tithing before d law or after?

BTW post 38 is Goshen's post..I always knew Candour and Goshen might be same folks.

you didn't ask a question in post 38 neither did Goshen. But if you mean post 39 with this question

"So what do you think? Dont you think its inconsistent
to only pick tithe out of all?"

Tithe is before d law..stop being redundant in questioning. I won't answer this again o

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Wicked copy and paste


We are using our brains n scriptures, you go and do copy and paste. That's plagiarism and you are cheating

Candour: You referenced it my bro.

I also gave u an answer.

You asked me a series of questions and I answered you. Is it too much to ask you just one question?

Why did you reference Mal 3 if all you were talking about was Abraham's tithe?

Also in case you don't know, Jesus Christ also referenced Moses tithe NOT Abraham's tithe hence his reference to weightier matters of THE LAW.Our Lord was talking about MOSAIC LAW OF TITHING. Pls don't pretend about this.Go back to Matt 23:23 and read it slowly.

Shey you can't answer who's speaking in Mal 3? I referenced Mal 3 because. Of who was speaking...and I knw it wasn't malachi quoting the law, nor moses, nor the law of moses nor you.

@defemz
Note the new covenant was an upgrade of the old..the new had berra promises...the old was full of faults and the new corrected all d flaws
and faults. The old was about obedience of Laws which was impossible to keep all of it, the new was doing the law (not Laws this time) which is simple Love one another as Jesus has loved us.

The old testament folks were called to be obedient children, NT folks are already children of obedience, because of Christ's obedience.

And abt peter, wot Jesus meant by "I will build my church on this rock..." was that Christianity would be based on what Peter said which is "thou art the Christ, son of the Living God" remember Jesus said flesh and blood has not revealed that to peter, sha dats anoda days topic.

Candour: So why did you quote Mal 3 to support your argument or you didn't know Mal 3 was a reference to tithes instituted in the law of Moses?

Did I quote Mal 3? Even if I did, was it God speaking in malachi 3 or Moses or the law of Moses?

Who was speaking in malachi 3?

Might I add, tithe was not started by Moses' law

deluckiest: Hey Gombs, please take it easy on Goshen. If you know the scripture so well why don't you correct him like others have been doing with scriptures back up.

Peace!

Noted

Goshen360: It was first mentioned BEFORE the law with Abraham. The question is, is the tithe included by God to Abraham when making the covenant. If tithe was include in the Abrahamic covenant, kindly show us scripture, not just talking.

SMH, if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed. Now the covenant God had with Abraham was because of his faith. ALL Abraham did pleased God, why?? Because of faith. Abraham tithed in faith, Jacob did too

Genesis 28: 20: ”And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: And this stone, which I haveset for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.”

Are you sayin Jacob gave voluntarily too? Who did he learn it from? Abraham tithed 430yrs b4 moses's law. Moses' law adopted it, obviously.

If you looking for scripture where God including tithe in the covenant, you won't find any,
Jesus is Abraham's seed, and Jesus recognized tithing. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus recognized or commended the Pharisees for tithing. Tithing was the only thing they were doing right.

Candour: Abraham's VOLUNTARY tithe sure.

Ok, abraham gave tithe...what covenant birthed the NT?

If you said twas voluntary tithe, you mean to say he arbitrarily gave to Melchizedek who was of same priesthood as Jesus?

You think its all a coincidence? Have you ever wondered why he was called father of faith? The man knew the things of God way before his saga abt sacrificing isaac. He could have given any man arbitrarily, or given 20% or 50%, why 10% and to a priest same as Jesus?

You think twas all a coincidence?

Candour: Which tithing exactly are you talking about my brother?

Abraham's voluntary giving of 10% of WAR SPOILS to Melchisedek(He refused to take the remaining 90% mind you)

or the Yearly tithing which you and your family are meant to share in a feast at Jerusalem(Deut 14:22-26)

or the tri-ennial tithing which isreal gave to the levites, widows, fatherless and strangers(Deut 14:28-29) and which the levite gave 10% of to the Priests(Num 18:26-30, Neh 10:37-38)

Which Tithe are you exactly talking about my bro?

From all you quoted, which falls within the law of moses? And which falls before the law of moses?

Candour: God said it and its the same God that said what was in Mal 4:4
Mal 4:4
'Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which i commanded him in Horeb for all Isreal, with the statutes and judgements'

To get all what God commanded him, go to Deut chapter 5 to chapter 26

Also i know you'll quote Matt 23:23 to tell me Jesus asked you to tithe but pls can you go back some verses and let us start at verse 1 of that chapter

Matt 23:1-3
'The spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,2.Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat:3.All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.'

Let me interpret for you, If you believe you're the person referred to in Mal 3, you must also agree Mal 4:4 is for you and there it said to KEEP THE LAWS OF MOSES. If you say Matt 23:23 binds you to tithe, then Matt 23:1-3 BINDS you to OBEY ALL WHATSOEVER the Scribes and Pharisees tell you to and there are 613 of such laws.

So what do you think? Dont you think its inconsistent to only pick tithe out of all?

As for the lack mentality, dont you think this line is childish and getting out of fashion? I'm sure you dont expect people to bring their account balances to Nairaland just to prove to you that they are very successful even without paying the 10% royalty?

A quick quiz.

Is tithing before or after the law of moses?

Goshen360: I have shown you where it says the new is NOT LIKE the old. All you need do is show from scripture that it's a CONTINUATION. Also remember, Matthew to John is NOT the new testament\covenant.

Sir, God made a covenant with Abraham and also with Moses, which are you actually refering to?

If twas Moses' covenant, we no longer under them
Why?

What comparison does God make between the two
covenants ie the one he made with moses n the new one which Jesus brought?

"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." Hebrews 8:6-7.

But if its abraham's, the covenant was faultless and that covenant birthed the NT

In summary, God's covenant with Moses was a subset of God's covenant with Abraham.

Hence, the continuation I was speaking abt was Abraham's covenant, Moses' covenant was truncated. And Tithing is not of the law of moses.

Reyginus: Lol. I'm not sure you know what you are talking about.

Oblige me

Goshen360: That's where the difference between the old and new covenant comes to play. Malachi says bring it SO THAT GOD will THEN OPEN WINDOWS OF HEAVEN AND POUR YOUR BLESSINGS. That's a conditional covenant!

After Christ said it is finished, the work was completed and the blood sealed the new covenant. We don't give because WE WANT A BENEFIT but because WE ALREADY BLESSED BY CHRIST'S COMPLETED WORK.

There's no Windows shut against believers from the time Christ said, it is finished. Every believer now HAVE ACCESS TO THE HEAVENLY FATHER.

Who said what was in malachi 3? God or malachi?

Your problem is that you believe for example"No weapon fashioned against you shall prosper...", or "the lord is my shepherd, I shall not want" you didn't argue that the priesthood is changed or the covenant is changed, or that Jesus has come or somtin...but when it got to tithing, all because money's involved, you went all priesthood and covenant (mixing everything wrongly while at it). You have a lack mentality, a consciousness of things been taken from you...that's not Christ-like bro!

Bidam tearing some dude to shreds


@Goshen, you are just showing you have little knowledge of the bible.

The NT is found on the promise God made Abraham, if you now saying God made a new one, question is with who did he make the new one?

Bottom line, dnt mistake Moses's Law for the covenant God made with Abraham. in a nut shell, the NT is a continuation of the old testament.

Stop mincing scriptures to suit you.

^^


Your opinions are duly noted.

I recently did a bit of reading on Robert Drinan,
a Catholic priest (Jesuit) who served as a
Representative in Congress in 1970s. He is only
one of two priests to have ever done so in the
United States.
He's become a controversial figure in
Catholicism, voting numerous times in his career
in favor of pro-choice policies yet claiming to be
personally against abortion. It seems that due
to this kind of blatant disobedience and
seemingly incompatible political positions with
the Church that Pope John Paul II basically
banned clergy from holding political offices.

But doesn't this demonstrate that even
religious leaders are capable of separating their
spiritual and secular life? Personally I think
Robert Drinan pushed the envelope just a bit,
yet I can see his reasoning to a certain extent.


So, back to the question whether religious
leaders be allowed to hold political office,
specifically democratically elected positions is precarious, because even if they largely adhere to and acknowledge the political
implications on their faith, I think they should abstain, rather they should pastor political leaders. After all, doesn't
everyone have some sort of a bias? Esp in a multicultural/religious country as Nigeria

Why not?



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Wisdom, Knowledge, And Understanding · Sunday,
September 8th

Pastor Chris

Through wisdom is an house builded; and by understanding it is established: And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches (Proverbs 24:3-4).

Our theme verse highlights wisdom, understanding, and knowledge as three vital ingredients needed for building a
successful life. It says with wisdom, a "house" is built; that house could be likened to your life, business, career, or
family. It goes further to say that the "house," once built, is established by understanding; and then by knowledge, you bring riches into it.

Often, you find people whose lives are, as it were, out of joint; they’re frustrated and unhappy, for the simple reason that they lack wisdom. Some others have things going on well with them, perhaps, in their job or career,
but they’re unfulfilled because their families are disorientated. Why? Because they lack understanding;
it’s with understanding that a family is established and
made strong. They had enough wisdom to start the family, but lacked the understanding to establish it.

Some others have enough wisdom and understanding to
organize their families or businesses aright, but lack the
requisite knowledge of how to make consistent progress
from glory to glory. Wisdom, understanding, and knowledge must go together; they’re needed for a life of all-round success, prosperity, and fulfilment.
Proverbs 4:7 tells us that wisdom is the principal thing;
it’s your capital: "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding." Notice it didn’t stop at enjoining us to embrace wisdom; it goes further to say, "…with all thy getting get understanding," letting you know that understanding is just as important.

Then in Proverbs 15:5, we’re cautioned not to despise knowledge; it says, the one who ignores knowledge is a fool. Wisdom, knowledge, and understanding come to you through the Word: "For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding" (Proverbs 2:6). You need all three to be effective, and to live the extraordinary life of success, dominion, victory, and excellence that God has ordained for you.

Prayer
I thank you, dear heavenly Father, for granting me the Spirit of wisdom, understanding, and knowledge, which enables me to deal excellently in the affairs of life. I’m living the God-life to the full, growing in grace, and increasing in wisdom and understanding, by the Spirit, and through the knowledge of your Word, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y:Proverbs 8:1-14

Daily Scripture Reading
1 Year Reading Plan : 2 Corinthians 7:2-16, Proverbs
22-23
2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 21:29-38 1 Samuel 27

Lordlexy: Gombs, God richly bless and strengthens you for this wonderful work of spreading the glad tiding. I understand all the challenges, but is there any way i can be of help?

Umm get more readers to view this page daily and MB won't be a badt idea tho , I got a tab from an MOG God sent my way (I asked God for a berra phone to make the work easier n He sent a tab via d MOG), so...airtel MBs won't be badt...

In all, tnks for d prayer...and thanks for offering to be a partner in the propagation of the Gospel of Christ.

For now, no much stress I can't handle, my BB is doing everything just fine.

Cheers

Living Out His Righteousness · Saturday, September
7th ·

Pastor Chris

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no
sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God
in him (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Being born again, you have the nature and
life of God; righteousness has become the
character of your spirit. The ability to be
right, and to do right—the ability to
perform righteousness—is inherent in your
spirit. You’re now required to live that life
of righteousness from inside out; you’re to
live out that character; the nature of rightness that God
has given you! He wants it formed in you, and evident on
the outside.

It’s like when a child is born; that child is
characteristically human; but he starts building and
developing his innate human characteristics through
knowledge and information. In the same way, as a child
of God, though you’re the righteousness of God, you
need to grow and mature in the knowledge of God. You
need to become skilful in the doctrine of righteousness.
Hebrews 5:13 says, "For every one that useth milk is
unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."
A child who is not taught to walk, may never walk; not
because he doesn’t have the ability to walk, but because
he was never taught.

Likewise, for you to become thoroughly established in
the doctrine of righteousness, you must be taught the
Word. You must be a committed member in a local
Church. In Church, apart from fellowship and all the
other beautiful things that take place, you’re taught how
to live the life of righteousness, which you’ve received in
Christ Jesus. You’re instructed, through the Scriptures,
how to live out the righteousness of God that’s in your
spirit.
As you live out that righteousness, many will witness the
perfection and inner-beauty of divinity in you; God’s
nature of rightness, excellence, and perfection will be
manifested in you.

Prayer
Dear Father, I thank you for the life of
righteousness which you’ve given me in Christ Jesus;
that righteousness has brought perfection and
excellence into my life, enabling me to live and do
right, to the glory of Christ who lives in me, in Jesus’
Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Romans 5:17; Romans 3:21-22

Daily Scripture Reading
1 Year Reading Plan : 2 Corinthians 6:3-7:1, Proverbs
20-21
2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 21:20-28, 1 Samuel 26

Mbanu


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Did I say I was gonna send you cards? do they still sell congratulatory cards abi you meant recharge voucher?



I didn't promise you any of the above o

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O ye of little faith, why didst thou doubt?!

ukotmi: And don't forget Sept 14: Reachout Mega Gospel Music Jam @ TBS,Lagos featuring most of Loveworld stars

Wow,too bad am not in lagos, do send em pics tho.
Thanks

ukotmi: Bless Gombs for the daily update of ROR. Your update is of great help for people who could not have access to ROR in other formats. But where is Mabell,the original creator of this thread? Did she hand over to you or you saw a need and decided to meet that need.

Thank you sir...

Don't knw abt mabell's whereabout, she didn't hand over the thread to me, I saw a need and decided to meet it...I used to come here whenever I cnt find rhapsody in my environs to buy. Esp in d village I served...then all of a sudden she stopped posting them. At first I tot she got tired or something, it went on for a while, and after serving, I decided to continue from where she stopped.

I got inspired by her daily posts and believe me, no be beans
Waking up, preparing for work, MTN network, nepa and low battery, plus I still have to send via whatsapp and facebook. On facebook I have about 10readers on whatsapp, I have almost 50. All are of which are non CEC brethren, and they pressure me daily if I don't send it before 8am cos they too have their own readers who are growing daily. Its a huge responsibility I can't waver nor cower on, if for nothing, for their spirit sakes

The point is for the Word to keeping moving forward and changing mindsets and religious strongholds IJN.

Thanks for the prayer sir, it means a lot to me.

Cheers!