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Bidam: It is really a shame that you had to rush in and support an article without reading the contents as a bible scholar that you claim you are. And to say this is the guy that taught us in the grace convention.Chei!

Bidam: Since i am slow in typing i have spent productive hours replying that erroneous post sef AND I BELIEVE all is a waste because of this guy unbelief. Wish he could study scriptures and not rely on creepy materials.That's cheating on his part.It is really a one sided debate.I am done here jare.

abeg wait for me

Candour: See what the bible said
1Cor 14:5
'I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied:for greater is he that prophesied than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interprete, that the church may receive edifying'

My bro, this verse makes it clear some gifts will always be greater than tongues.

Two scenarios here

1. So, in other words, he was wrong in 1 corinth 14 verse 2 AMP?

For one who speaks in an [unknown] tongue speaks not to men but to God, for no one understands or catches his meaning , because in the [Holy] Spirit he utters secret truths and hidden things [not obvious to the understanding].

From your analogy of one being greater than the other, Is speaking to men higher than speaking to God?

2. Paul was simply saying in verse 5 that he wish that we might all speak in [unknown] tongues, but more especially [he wants us] to prophesy (to be inspired to preach and interpret the divine will and purpose).


WHY?
Because speaking in tongues according to verse 2 is speaking unto God and not men. Speaking in tongues won't edify the other, because you are speaking to God not man, and men would not understand what you are saying because their understanding would be unfruitful (v14) . Except that you can interpret the tongues so that the brethren can be edified.

He went further and said that he who prophesies [who is inspired to preach and teach] is greater (more useful and more important to the brethren at the time of preaching/teaching) than he who speaks in [unknown] tongues,



WHY? Because he who prophesy speaks unto men and not God. He is teaching and preaching, that the brethren would be edified. That's why in my other post above, I said there is NO PLACE in the bible Paul or anybody preached or taught in tongues. Simply because according to verse 2 above no one will understand or catch his meaning.

He went further to say that unless he should(the one speaking in tongues) interpret [what he says], so that the church may be edified and receive good from it .

You see why you need study the scriptures by the holyspirit?

Imagine your pastor preaching in unknown tongues, would you be edified at d end of the service?

benalvino: it means you did not read my post.... your answer is wrong.

Nice observation..just read d first 12 lines...it almost gave me a migraine

Cheers man!

NB
Your copy and paste was/is grossly and hopelessly wrong

benalvino: Sorry mate that is far from the answer...

you post a question and answer stuff... with no real debate to it...
if that is what you use to justify my brother u are lost at the moment

See a question

[quote author=
Candour]@benalvino
I agree with this write up. Tongues was described by
the Bible as one of the least of spirit gifts but you
wonder how Christians have elevated it to be the
most important second only to salvation.[/quote]See the answer

VII. ARE TONGUES THE LEAST OF THE GIFTS? ARE THEY REALLY THAT IMPORTANT?

In 1 Corinthians 12, the Apostle Paul gives us a
basic primer on the nine Gifts of the Holy Spirit:
Wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy,
discernment, tongues and interpretation of tongues.
Since tongues and interpretation are the last Gift
Paul mentions, some have taken this to mean that
tongues are the least important of the Gifts, and
that we shouldn't really be concerned with them.
However, I would respectfully reply that this
argument is based on a very presumptuous and
inconsistent approach to Biblical interpretation.
Chronological order of how something is listed is not
necessarily an indication of importance. For
example, in 1 Corinthians 13:13 , Paul tells us that
faith, hope, and love remain, yet the greatest of
these is love, in spite of the fact that it is listed
last. Likewise, in a list of sinful activities recorded
in Galatians 5:19-21 , murder is named near the
end of the list. Does that mean that
murder is a less serious sin than the others? Of
course not. Paul definitely did not view tongues as being unimportant. In fact, he devotes an entire chapter in the Bible to teaching on the subject (1
Corinthians 14). In this chapter, he tells the
Corinthian believers that he desires that they all
speak in tongues (verse 5), and
thanks God that he speaks in tongues more than all
of them! (verse 18) Three times in Scripture we are
exhorted to covet (Pursue with passion) the Gifts
of the Holy Spirit-including tongues (1 Corinthians
12:31; 14:1, 39, the same Greek word is used in all
of these Scriptures.) Note that this is worded as a
commandment, not an option. To downplay or
dishonor any of God's gifts is to dishonor God
Himself. May we never, ever fall into this trap.

I answered him too well, and asked him a question too in hope you and/or him would answer.

See the question
In a list of sinful activities recorded in Galatians 5:19-21 , murder is named near the end of the list. Does that mean that murder is a less serious sin than the others? Does it mean he listed the gifts of the spirit in a particular order of relevance?


As for the other questions I asked I answered, was in case you or any other brings it up, you'd have a ready answer.

Gombs: Hello OP


let me point out and answer (not attempt to answer) the lingering questions in hope to put rest to this issue (which I knw will still linger on tho). If anyone still wanna be contentious, may God help him/her in search for the truth.


I.WHAT IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES?

First,let's look at a few things that speaking in tongues
is NOT:

1.Tongues are NOT a status symbol, indicating that one
Christian is more spiritual than another. The Corinthian
church was a hotbed of tongues speaking, yet the
Apostle Paul still chastised them for being carnal (1
Corinthians 3:3.)

2.Tongues are not a shortcut to instant spiritual
maturity.

3.Tongues are not a hypnotic, zombie like state in which the person has no control of his faculties.
Speaking in tongues is, to put it simply, Holy Spirit
inspired speech in a language unknown to the speaker.

As we will examine, it can be spoken in a Christian's private prayer life, or in a public worship service with
interpretation. People have a natural hunger for the supernatural. Unfortunately, many turn to the false, satanic supernatural found in psychics, the New Age,and other cultic activity rather than seeking the true supernatural power of God. This is tragic. God is a supernatural God!
He can fulfill the deepest longings of our hearts with
His love and power. Tongues are one of the avenues that He works through in order to do this.


II. ARE TONGUES STILL IN OPERATION TODAY?

Yes, there are more Christians on earth today who speak in tongues than there have been at any other time in history! Although they have always been around in varying degrees throughout church history, there has
been a strong revival of tongues in this century.
It is true that the Bible refers to a time when tongues
shall cease (1 Corinthians 13:

(1).However, this same passage(chpt 13) also tells us when this will happen: When perfection comes, we see face to face, and we know, even as we are known (verses 10-12.) Have these other verses been fulfilled yet? Obviously not,since true perfection will not happen until after Jesus returns (1 John 3:2-3; Ephesians 5:27.) We are still very much "seeing through a glass darkly," as Paul put it in verse 12 .Until the veil of our mortality is removed, and we see Him face to face, our communication with God will always be filtered through our finite, human limitations.
We don't always know how to pray properly. This is why God has made available to us this Heavenly prayer language, that takes us beyond our infirmities
(Greek:inability to get results) and help us pray with the Spirit making intercession with us through groanings which cannot be uttered (Romans 8:26.) According to respected Greek scholar P.C. Nelson, the literal Greek translation of this implies "groanings which cannot be uttered in articulate speech." We need the Holy Spirit to help us this way just as much, if not more,than the first century church did.
In 1 Corinthians 1:7, Paul expresses his desire that we
come behind in no spiritual gift, as we wait for the
coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. In other words, until
Jesus does return, the charismatic gifts of the Spirit,
including tongues,will be in full operation, and we should not be lacking, or come behind, in having these gifts in our own lives.


III.HOW DOES SPEAKING IN TONGUES OPERATE?
In order to answer this question properly, we must look at the fact that the Bible describes three different manifestations of speaking in tongues:

1-Evidential tongues-The initial evidence when someone
is baptized in the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1- 4;10:44-46;19:2-7.)

2-Intercessory tongues-the ability to pray in other
tongues, or "In the Spirit" (1 Corinthians 14:14- 16;
Ephesians 6:18;Jude 20) in order to pray beyond our
limited human understanding , speak mysteries to God
( 1 Corinthians 14:2) and edify (build up) ourselves (1
Corinthians 14:4.)

3-The ministry gift of tongues, described in 1
Corinthians chapters 12 and 14, involves giving a message in tongues in a public worship service, which is to be interpreted (12:10).This is a powerful sign to
unbelievers ( 14:22).This gift is only given in certain
situations, as the Spirit wills. Therefore, not all
Christians are used in this gift (12:30.)


IV. WEREN'T TONGUES GIVEN SO THAT THE EARLY CHURCH COULD PREACH THE GOSPEL IN FOREIGN NATIONS WHERE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE LANGUAGES?

I once read an article by a certain denominational
minister in which he tried to explain tongues by saying
that, when Jesus commissioned His disciples to go into
all the world, He didn't want them to spend all of their
time taking language classes, so He gave them tongues
to preach in foreign nations. While I don't question that this brother meant well, this theory is simply not Biblical.
It is true that on the Day of Pentecost, the people all
heard the works of God proclaimed in their own
language (Acts 2:11). However, this was not preaching.
When it came time to preach, notice that Peter
preached in a language understood by the entire crowd. Nowhere in the Bible do we ever see an example of a person preaching in tongues.

V.ARE TONGUES HUMAN LANGUAGES

-They can be, but are not necessarily. They can also be
Heavenly languages-tongues of angels (1 Corinthians
13:1.)


VI.WHY DIDN'T JESUS SPEAK IN TONGUES?

Actually, I'm not totally sure that He didn't. Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit (Luke 10:21,) and groaned in the Spirit (John11:33.) This terminology is very similar to the term "Praying in the Spirit," which Paul uses to describe praying in tongues (1 Corinthians 14: 14-16.) However, even if Jesus did not speak in tongues, there are several possible explanations:

1.Since He was God, there were no languages He didn't
know.

2.Since He was sinless, He had perfect communication
with the Father, and therefore, He did not need
tongues.

3.He was the last person to function as a prophet under the Old Covenant.

Tongues are a New Testament phenomenon. Even if Jesus didn't personally speak in tongues, He Himself stated that tongues would be a normative sign to follow believers (Mark 16:17). The entire New
Testament was written by people who spoke in tongues.

VII. ARE TONGUES THE LEAST OF THE GIFTS? ARE THEY REALLY THAT IMPORTANT?

In 1 Corinthians 12, the Apostle Paul gives us a basic
primer on the nine Gifts of the Holy Spirit: Wisdom,
knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discernment, tongues and interpretation of tongues.
Since tongues and interpretation are the last Gift Paul
mentions, some have taken this to mean that tongues are the least important of the Gifts, and that we shouldn't really be concerned with them. However, I would respectfully reply that this argument is based on a very presumptuous and inconsistent approach to Biblical interpretation.
Chronological order of how something is listed is not
necessarily an indication of importance. For example, in 1 Corinthians 13:13 , Paul tells us that faith, hope, and love remain, yet the greatest of these is love, in spite of the fact that it is listed last. Likewise, in a list of sinful activities recorded in Galatians 5:19-21 , murder is named near the end of the list. Does that mean that
murder is a less serious sin than the others? Of course
not. Paul definitely did not view tongues as being unimportant. In fact, he devotes an entire chapter in the Bible to teaching on the subject (1 Corinthians 14). In this chapter, he tells the Corinthian believers that he desires that they all speak in tongues (verse 5), and
thanks God that he speaks in tongues more than all of
them! (verse 18) Three times in Scripture we are
exhorted to covet (Pursue with passion) the Gifts of the Holy Spirit-including tongues (1 Corinthians 12:31; 14:1, 39, the same Greek word is used in all of these
Scriptures.) Note that this is worded as a commandment, not an option. To downplay or dishonor any of God's gifts is to dishonor God Himself. May we never, ever fall into this trap.


VIII.ARE TONGUES SOMETHING TO BE FEARED?

Not at all. Tongues are a wonderful tool God has given
His people to enjoy His presence more fully and
intimately, and to make us more effective in our service for Him.
Being a supernatural phenomenon, speaking in tongues is approached somewhat hesitantly by many Christians.
However, this is nothing new. In the Bible, when God's
presence showed up in a tangible manner, it was not
unusual for onlookers to respond with fear. We see this in events like the angelic vision the shepherds had when Jesus was born (Luke 2:8-12,) when the disciples saw Jesus walk on water (Mark 6:45-50,) and when John had his vision of the risen Jesus (Revelation 1:4-17.) Notice that each time,the first reaction of the people who witnessed these supernatural occurrences was to be afraid. However, in each of these cases, these people were assured to "Fear not," or "Be not afraid." In Luke 11:9-13, Jesus makes the solemn promise that if you ask God for bread, He isn't going to give you a stone. According to verse 13,the context of this verse is asking the Father for the gift of the Holy Spirit. The work of the Holy Spirit in a Christian's life is something to be cherished, not feared. It is the purpose of this writ to share with you one of the important ways that the Spirit does work in people's lives to draw us closer to Him, and to the ultimate goal: Christlikeness. As one of my favorite Scriptures, 2 Corinthians 3:18, puts it so beautifully: But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


In conclusion, speaking in tongues is not necessary for all Christian, if you don't speak in tongues, and lived righteously, you will surely make heaven. You can have the holyspirit in you, and still don't speak in tongues, because it's a gift you have to ask of the father, and he and only he can give you utterance. But the thing is without speaking in tongues you will NOT live in full potential of the Holyspirit in you. You won't be able to pray as you ought to, you can't cast out devils, you can't do/live in the miraculous, you will be so limited in almost all sphere, because speaking in tongues builds you up like an edifice, gives you insight into deep secrets and mysteries, and so so so much more.

Lastly, I usually answer folks who asked me, "must I speak in tongues? Eh??"

I answer with a smile "is it a must to live supernaturally?" Or "is it a must to be a Christian"?

The answers to the above both is NO!

God bless.
*forgive my typos and the long essay

Answered

Cheers mate

Bidam: Even after i told these guys that i had this experience they would Not believe.Jesus told the pharisees that if you do not believe my words that i came from the father at least believe the miracles na! May God deliver folks from every satanic blindfoldness in the Body of Christ.

Yeah, a woman once testified that she was on her way to a native doctor's awz for divination, but as she was passing by a church and the speakers were blaring with tongues by the pastor, she said she heard the pastor in her own language saying "do not go where you intend going to".

This was similar to what happnd on penticost day, they heard in their own language...it can only be by the holyspirit. He interpreted tongues to a whole lot folks bck in the day, and he's still doing it today.

Kenny4lyfe: Go on kabashing bro! I received a lot during my conversation with the Lord via kabash this morning ! It's so exciting bro!
God bless you!

His presence always amazes me...only if folks know the inner peace of God (which the world cannot give) kbashing brings us

Its just too exciting

Bidam: Bro..thanks,Trust me there will come a time when i will shake the dust off my feet from these folks.
But i believe there are some who are genuine seekers of the truth,with such i have to persevere.You are a source of encouragement really.

[size=32pt] God bless the works of thy hand, flesh and blood has not made you persist and persevere [/size]

Kenny, let me go and Kabash....I need fellowship with the Father, not Just relationship-Pastor Anita, ROR 3rd Sept 2013

#Glory

Gombs: Hello kenny!

@All
I've read through the whole thread and deceided to comment on a whole lot of issues you folks brought up in defence that speaking in tongues is this or that. I'm afraid Bidam did much of his best to explain the importance of speaking in tongues, and half of the time, he sounded aggressive and impulsive, though some questions and posts were too outrageous to act otherwise. But let me point out and answer (not attempt to answer) the lingering questions in hope to put rest to this issue. If anyone still wanna be contentious, may God help him/her in search for the truth.


I.WHAT IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES?

First,let's look at a few things that speaking in tongues
is NOT:

1.Tongues are NOT a status symbol, indicating that one
Christian is more spiritual than another. The Corinthian
church was a hotbed of tongues speaking, yet the
Apostle Paul still chastised them for being carnal (1
Corinthians 3:3.)

2.Tongues are not a shortcut to instant spiritual
maturity.

3.Tongues are not a hypnotic, zombie like state in which the person has no control of his faculties.
Speaking in tongues is, to put it simply, Holy Spirit
inspired speech in a language unknown to the speaker.

As we will examine, it can be spoken in a Christian's private prayer life, or in a public worship service with
interpretation. People have a natural hunger for the supernatural. Unfortunately, many turn to the false, satanic supernatural found in psychics, the New Age,and other cultic activity rather than seeking the true supernatural power of God. This is tragic. God is a supernatural God!
He can fulfill the deepest longings of our hearts with
His love and power. Tongues are one of the avenues that He works through in order to do this.


II. ARE TONGUES STILL IN OPERATION TODAY?

Yes, there are more Christians on earth today who speak in tongues than there have been at any other time in history! Although they have always been around in varying degrees throughout church history, there has
been a strong revival of tongues in this century.
It is true that the Bible refers to a time when tongues
shall cease (1 Corinthians 13:

(1).However, this same passage(chpt 13) also tells us when this will happen: When perfection comes, we see face to face, and we know, even as we are known (verses 10-12.) Have these other verses been fulfilled yet? Obviously not,since true perfection will not happen until after Jesus returns (1 John 3:2-3; Ephesians 5:27.) We are still very much "seeing through a glass darkly," as Paul put it in verse 12 .Until the veil of our mortality is removed, and we see Him face to face, our communication with God will always be filtered through our finite, human limitations.
We don't always know how to pray properly. This is why God has made available to us this Heavenly prayer language, that takes us beyond our infirmities
(Greek:inability to get results) and help us pray with the Spirit making intercession with us through groanings which cannot be uttered (Romans 8:26.) According to respected Greek scholar P.C. Nelson, the literal Greek translation of this implies "groanings which cannot be uttered in articulate speech." We need the Holy Spirit to help us this way just as much, if not more,than the first century church did.
In 1 Corinthians 1:7, Paul expresses his desire that we
come behind in no spiritual gift, as we wait for the
coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. In other words, until
Jesus does return, the charismatic gifts of the Spirit,
including tongues,will be in full operation, and we should not be lacking, or come behind, in having these gifts in our own lives.


III.HOW DOES SPEAKING IN TONGUES OPERATE?
In order to answer this question properly, we must look at the fact that the Bible describes three different manifestations of speaking in tongues:

1-Evidential tongues-The initial evidence when someone
is baptized in the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1- 4;10:44-46;19:2-7.)

2-Intercessory tongues-the ability to pray in other
tongues, or "In the Spirit" (1 Corinthians 14:14- 16;
Ephesians 6:18;Jude 20) in order to pray beyond our
limited human understanding , speak mysteries to God
( 1 Corinthians 14:2) and edify (build up) ourselves (1
Corinthians 14:4.)

3-The ministry gift of tongues, described in 1
Corinthians chapters 12 and 14, involves giving a message in tongues in a public worship service, which is to be interpreted (12:10).This is a powerful sign to
unbelievers ( 14:22).This gift is only given in certain
situations, as the Spirit wills. Therefore, not all
Christians are used in this gift (12:30.)


IV. WEREN'T TONGUES GIVEN SO THAT THE EARLY CHURCH COULD PREACH THE GOSPEL IN FOREIGN NATIONS WHERE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE LANGUAGES?

I once read an article by a certain denominational
minister in which he tried to explain tongues by saying
that, when Jesus commissioned His disciples to go into
all the world, He didn't want them to spend all of their
time taking language classes, so He gave them tongues
to preach in foreign nations. While I don't question that this brother meant well, this theory is simply not Biblical.
It is true that on the Day of Pentecost, the people all
heard the works of God proclaimed in their own
language (Acts 2:11). However, this was not preaching.
When it came time to preach, notice that Peter
preached in a language understood by the entire crowd. Nowhere in the Bible do we ever see an example of a person preaching in tongues.

V.ARE TONGUES HUMAN LANGUAGES

-They can be, but are not necessarily. They can also be
Heavenly languages-tongues of angels (1 Corinthians
13:1.)


VI.WHY DIDN'T JESUS SPEAK IN TONGUES?

Actually, I'm not totally sure that He didn't. Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit (Luke 10:21,) and groaned in the Spirit (John11:33.) This terminology is very similar to the term "Praying in the Spirit," which Paul uses to describe praying in tongues (1 Corinthians 14: 14-16.) However, even if Jesus did not speak in tongues, there are several possible explanations:

1.Since He was God, there were no languages He didn't
know.

2.Since He was sinless, He had perfect communication
with the Father, and therefore, He did not need
tongues.

3.He was the last person to function as a prophet under the Old Covenant.

Tongues are a New Testament phenomenon. Even if Jesus didn't personally speak in tongues, He Himself stated that tongues would be a normative sign to follow believers (Mark 16:17). The entire New
Testament was written by people who spoke in tongues.

VII. ARE TONGUES THE LEAST OF THE GIFTS? ARE THEY REALLY THAT IMPORTANT?

In 1 Corinthians 12, the Apostle Paul gives us a basic
primer on the nine Gifts of the Holy Spirit: Wisdom,
knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discernment, tongues and interpretation of tongues.
Since tongues and interpretation are the last Gift Paul
mentions, some have taken this to mean that tongues are the least important of the Gifts, and that we shouldn't really be concerned with them. However, I would respectfully reply that this argument is based on a very presumptuous and inconsistent approach to Biblical interpretation.
Chronological order of how something is listed is not
necessarily an indication of importance. For example, in 1 Corinthians 13:13 , Paul tells us that faith, hope, and love remain, yet the greatest of these is love, in spite of the fact that it is listed last. Likewise, in a list of sinful activities recorded in Galatians 5:19-21 , murder is named near the end of the list. Does that mean that
murder is a less serious sin than the others? Of course
not. Paul definitely did not view tongues as being unimportant. In fact, he devotes an entire chapter in the Bible to teaching on the subject (1 Corinthians 14). In this chapter, he tells the Corinthian believers that he desires that they all speak in tongues (verse 5), and
thanks God that he speaks in tongues more than all of
them! (verse 18) Three times in Scripture we are
exhorted to covet (Pursue with passion) the Gifts of the Holy Spirit-including tongues (1 Corinthians 12:31; 14:1, 39, the same Greek word is used in all of these
Scriptures.) Note that this is worded as a commandment, not an option. To downplay or dishonor any of God's gifts is to dishonor God Himself. May we never, ever fall into this trap.


VIII.ARE TONGUES SOMETHING TO BE FEARED?

Not at all. Tongues are a wonderful tool God has given
His people to enjoy His presence more fully and
intimately, and to make us more effective in our service for Him.
Being a supernatural phenomenon, speaking in tongues is approached somewhat hesitantly by many Christians.
However, this is nothing new. In the Bible, when God's
presence showed up in a tangible manner, it was not
unusual for onlookers to respond with fear. We see this in events like the angelic vision the shepherds had when Jesus was born (Luke 2:8-12,) when the disciples saw Jesus walk on water (Mark 6:45-50,) and when John had his vision of the risen Jesus (Revelation 1:4-17.) Notice that each time,the first reaction of the people who witnessed these supernatural occurrences was to be afraid. However, in each of these cases, these people were assured to "Fear not," or "Be not afraid." In Luke 11:9-13, Jesus makes the solemn promise that if you ask God for bread, He isn't going to give you a stone. According to verse 13,the context of this verse is asking the Father for the gift of the Holy Spirit. The work of the Holy Spirit in a Christian's life is something to be cherished, not feared. It is the purpose of this writ to share with you one of the important ways that the Spirit does work in people's lives to draw us closer to Him, and to the ultimate goal: Christlikeness. As one of my favorite Scriptures, 2 Corinthians 3:18, puts it so beautifully: But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


In conclusion, speaking in tongues is not necessary for all Christian, if you don't speak in tongues, and lived righteously, you will surely make heaven. You can have the holyspirit in you, and still don't speak in tongues, because it's a gift you have to ask of the father, and he and only he can give you utterance. But the thing is without speaking in tongues you will NOT live in full potential of the Holyspirit in you. You won't be able to pray as you ought to, you can't cast out devils, you can't do/live in the miraculous, you will be so limited in almost all sphere, because speaking in tongues builds you up like an edifice, gives you insight into deep secrets and mysteries, and so so so much more.

Lastly, I usually answer folks who asked me, "must I speak in tongues? Eh??"

I answer with a smile "is it a must to live supernaturally?" Or "is it a must to be a Christian"?

The answers to the above both is NO!

God bless.

This answers your below question...twas answered 4 pages back

benalvino: If the speaking in tongues is not other peoples language but Gibs... forget it! it is fake.

*forgive my typos and the long essay[/quote]

benalvino: Yeah claps for y'all... I saw the first bible verse from the original post and i know Bidam as taken the whole passage out of Context and never bothered to read through...

Tell me the truth, Have you ever head someone in your church interpreting the socalled tongue that you preach? Because if you put the verse in context that the OP took apart you will realize the command and the motive...

Yes, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome interpretes tongues. You dont have to believe me, but that doesnt mean it aint for real. Oyedepo too, even some decons in my church do...normal brethrens do sef ; D

I dont inteprete tongues, I dont have the gift that as 1corinth 12 says. But I could desire it and ask. U should too

Kenny4lyfe: You know, @ bro. Gombs and bro. Bidam - It wasn't a joke when I choose to ignore THESE GUYS not because I don't have the potential to argue with them like you guys but because it's one of the rare character of our Lord Jesus Christ!

Whenever Jesus is entangled in a question and answer spree with this kinda guys;
1. He {Jesus} made his point ONCE and he doesn't repeat himself!
2. He knows when to stay, run, he even knows when to hide! {Now don't ask me to quote scriptures to support the points made above 'cus you're supposed to know these things; they're there in the gospel!}

{@ Bro. Gombs and @Bro. Bidam knows what I'm talking about here!}

These are the rare vitues of our Lord Jesus Christ: He'll made his point Once and walk away!

The Lord wasn't joking when He said, "They {These guys} know not, neither will they understand" {Go and read your Bible} !

Give them all the scriptures in the world concerning the topic in question and they'll keep asking the same questions over and over again! That's how their minds were programmed!

@ Bro. Gombs and Bro. Bidam I'm sure you get my point?
Ok!
God bless you!

Disclaimer: If you so choose to quote me in arguement, I've got 5 words for you- I WILL NOT REPLY YOU! Peace!

I know, thats y I hardly post a reply repeating what av already said. Most folks here are ever learning but never coming to the knowlege of the truth (2Tim 3v7). I must commend Bidam for his continous response to redundant questions, because it's a gift/ministry on him.

1corithians 12: 7-11

7 The Holy Spirit is given to each of us in a special way. That is for the good of all. [b] 8 To some people the Spirit gives the message of wisdom. To others the same Spirit gives the message of knowledge. [/b ]  9 To others the same Spirit gives faith. To others that one Spirit gives gifts of healing. 10 To others he gives the power to do miracles. To others he gives the ability to prophesy. To others he gives the ability to tell the spirits apart. To others he gives the ability to speak in different kinds of languages they had not known before. And to still others he gives the ability to explain what was said in those languages.11 All of the gifts are produced by one and the same Spirit. He gives them to each person, just as he decides.

If he can keep saying same thing over again, it is his grace working, I cant keep doing that dont mean am weary. Jesus' case was different because the Bible said they asked to test him and not to learn, and of course it wasnt believers in his gospel that asked such. With Bidam, he is asked by fellow christians who wanna of course know y he has those views, not to test him (They tested Jesus to see whether they could accuse him.)

I admire his persistence for the gospel of Christ, he cant force it on them, but then the Holyspirit is there to help those who truly wanna learn, and convicts those who dont want to, either way, it's a plus to him.

Cheers

Relationship And Fellowship · Tuesday, September 3rd
·
Pastor Anita

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto
you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and
truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his
Son Jesus Christ (1 John 1:3).

The story Jesus told in Luke 15:11-27 about the man who had two sons, gives us a better understanding of the difference between relationship and fellowship. Even though the young lad left home, and ended up in abject penury, he was still his father’s son! The father-and-son
relationship wasn’t destroyed; however, there was no fellowship. When he finally came to himself, and decided to return home, his father welcomed him back gladly (read Luke 15:11-27).

That’s just the way of some Christians: they have a relationship with God because they came to the Father
in the Name of the Lord Jesus, received salvation, and
became God’s children. However, they’re not in fellowship with Him. They have no time to pray, study, and meditate on the Word; they’re not "walking with God." It’s like having a child: you give birth to the child once, and that child becomes your son or daughter; that relationship is established once; but fellowship is built overtime.

There’re blessings that are based on a relationship, and there’re blessings that are based on fellowship. For example, Romans 12:3 tells us that God has given to every man the measure of faith. Each one of us was blessed with the required seed of faith when we received salvation. Nevertheless, for that faith to grow; for you to function in the greater levels of faith, there’s got to be fellowship. The more you fellowship with the Word and the Holy Spirit, and put your faith to work, the greater your faith grows, and the more experience you’d have in the things of God.

Prayer
Dear Father, I thank you for bringing me into oneness with you. I’m glad that not only am I in relationship with you, being born of you, I’m also in a blessed fellowship with you, and my faith is growing from strength to strength in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: 1 John 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:9

Daily Scripture Reading
1 Year Reading Plan : 2 Corinthians 1-2:1-4, Proverbs 12-13
2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 20:27-38 1 Samuel 22

JMAN05: When you are ready to prove ur point on NWT you form a thread on it. if you refuse to do so, then you are living in ignorance or afraid to be proven wrong.

as for my comments you never attended to. I wish to put it to you that you have wholeheartedly accepted all of them as true.

look at the opening statement of this thread which i clearly stated that if you refuse to reply to any comment as they flow one by one, i will conclude that you ve accepted them.

on the NWT if you also refuse to form a thread for it, then you are unsure of ur position or you are afraid to be proven wrong with ur kjv.

note that you were the one that told me to form this thread even when i suggested that we continue in the other thread. to show my seriousness, i formed this thread. now ur turn.

Can we all just leave tithing matter alone? Going over same circle every year is not wisdom.
Let everyone work by his conviction and persuasion .Romans 14:5.... Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Pastor Kun: If you want to learn, go and read my presentation on the grace convention thread. I am sure you would learn a lot and probably get liberated from the tithe yoke by the time you are through with the thread.

Pastor Kunle...you shd consider comedy as an occupation

Sirniyeh: how many of your pastors go to salon to barb their hairs or shave their beard and mouthstach? Are barbers not the ones coming to them? Schioh

You can lie o!

Leave Pastors alone na!

Kenny4lyfe: Don't get me wrong bro. Gombs, by "that guy" I meant "the Op" !

I know na. Dats why I asked him what you asked him., whether he really was frustrated, cos he sounds so

Kenny4lyfe: Or better still 1 question for the Atheist: If God doesn't exist, what's your purpose on earth; why are you here?

Yeah!...I yam waiting for an answer to this..or atheist think they existed by chance? Even tho we know no two beings ever exist ie there's only one me, none existed before and none will exist after me. Why is dat so? If we aint here for a purpose, then why exist? A goat exist because its purpose acoording to God ws to provide meat/food for man. And so on

This is how I can convince an atheist there is a God.
These are twenty questions for atheists...if they fully convince me...I'd have to be an atheist. Your time strts now. Good luck

1.What caused the universe to exist?
2.What explains the fine tuning of the universe?
3.Why is the universe rational?
4.How did DNA and amino acids arise?
5.Where did the genetic code come from?
6.How do irreducibly complex enzyme chains evolve?
7.How do we account for the origin of 116 distinct
language families?
8.Why did cities suddenly appear all over the world
between 3,000 and 1,000BC?
9.How is independent thought possible in a world ruled
by chance and necessity?
10.How do we account for self-awareness?
11.How is free will possible in a material universe?
12.How do we account for conscience?
13.On what basis can we make moral judgements?
14.Why does suffering matter?
15.Why do human beings matter?
16.Why care about justice?
17.How do we account for the almost universal belief in
the supernatural?
18.How do we know the supernatural does not exist?
19.How can we know if there is conscious existence
after death?
20.What accounts for the empty tomb, resurrection
appearances and growth of the church?

Sirniyeh: There is no justification in the mouth of an obsessed mind. [s] Because no one carries him to any pastor, does it mean pastor can not go and meet him? [/s] But if to fraud people, your pastor can go outside the shore to organise miracle revival. Many pastor will leave lagos to east or other part of yoruba land to organise miracle revival. Who invited them for that? Dont be deceived! Let the truth be. Accept this truth or remains in darkness till eternity.

Because no one carries a very bushy haired man to any hair salon, does it mean barbers can not go and meet him?

Sirniyeh: [s] But if to fraud people, your pastor can go outside the shore to organise miracle revival. Many pastor will leave lagos to east or other part of yoruba land to organise miracle revival. Who invited them for that? Dont be deceived! Let the truth be. Accept this truth or remains in darkness till eternity. [/s]

My friend asked you this

Kenny4lyfe: [s] I wonder O!!! That guy is really [/s] frustrated!

Are you really frustrated?

Kenny4lyfe: You killed it Bro!
Welcome to the month of fellowship!
*speak with tongues*
I'm with you and @Bidam 100%
PS- Haters go get a life! Don't bother quoting me 'cus I wount reply you!

*Kabashing mode

^^


Pastor Kunle...you shd consider comedy as an occupation


If you need scriptures I have a better idea/answer you should adopt

Joagbaje: Can we all just leave tithing matter alone? Going over same circle every year is not wisdom. Let everyone work by his conviction and persuasion .

Romans 14:5
.... Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

by Joagbaje(m): 12:28pm On Apr 11

Source: www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing

Cheers,
Gombs

Pastor Kun: Yawns! it very clear to discerning christians that tithes and seed sowing the way it is preached today in churches is derived by twisting scripture which as you know is a very big sin. It's not a matter of 'if'. evidently you are not sure of what scriptures says, i am and i know beyond any iota of doubt that churches that twist scripture to make money are engaged in spiritual fraud and there is nothing wrong in calling a spade a spade. It's fraud plain and simple. Otherwise show me from scriptures were tithes was defined as a percentage of our monthly income or were christians were commanded to tithe in scripture. If you can't do this then you would have to agree that the proponents of these false doctrines had to twist scripture to arrive at it.

Here we go again!!

JMAN05: If you want to discuss or criticise the new world translation, good. but first you chose a translation you think its the best (i prefer u chose ur almighty kjv). then form another thread let's see how the the kjv can survive it.

I will not respond to any of your comments until you respond to my earlier reply which is the discussion that led to forming this thread.

please form another thread for the new world translation vs kjv.

waiting...

Tot as much, you cudnt ansa anytin in my last post. Not even a try. I'm not criticizing the NWT or discussing it, I am only sayin it perverted what all other bible version stated all in a bid to show that Jesus is not God and that Jesus was created.

The New World Translation is unique in one thing – it is
the first intentional, systematic effort at producing a
complete version of the Bible that is edited and revised for the specific purpose of agreeing with a group's doctrine. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Society realized that their beliefs contradicted Scripture. So, rather than conforming their beliefs to Scripture, they altered Scripture to agree with their beliefs. The “New World Bible Translation Committee” went through the Bible and changed any Scripture that did not agree with Jehovah’s Witness theology. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that, as new editions
of the New World Translation were published,
additional changes were made to the biblical text. Esp the 2012 revised edition

As biblical Christians like I continue to point out Scriptures that clearly argue for the deity of Christ (for example), the Watchtower Society would publish new editions of the New World Translation with those Scriptures changed.

Here are some of the more prominent examples of
intentional revisions:
1. The New World Translation renders the Greek term
word staurós ("cross" as "torture stake" because
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that Jesus was
crucified on a cross.

2. The New World Translation does not translate the Greek words sheol, hades, gehenna, and tartarus as "hell” because Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in hell.

3. The NWT gives the translation "presence" instead of “coming” for the Greek word parousia because Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ has already returned in the early 1900s.

In Colossians 1:16, the NWT inserts the word “other”
despite its being completely absent from the original
Greek text. It does this to give the view that “all other things” were created by Christ, instead of what the text says, “all things were created by Christ.” This is to go along with their belief that Christ is a created being, which they believe because they deny the Trinity.


Now, the most well-known of all the New World Translation perversions is John 1:1 which you would no post here, any time I read the NWT version of John 1v1 and compare with the greek version, I can't help but scream .
The original Greek text reads, “the Word was God.” The NWT renders it as “the word was a god.” This is not a matter of correct translation, but of reading one's preconceived theology into the text, rather than allowing the text to speak for itself.

There is no indefinite article in Greek (in English, "a" or "an", so any use of an indefinite article in English must be added by the translator (Westcoff and Hort). This is grammatically acceptable, so long as it does not change the meaning of the text.


So, my dear friend, I'm saying the NWT you clinged much to (as JWs won't use another except it) was perverted by JWs themselves,to show Trinity aint true, that Christ aint God, that Hell aint real,m etc. If you would use another bible let's dig into d issue of trinity, fine, else I won't buy anything you have to say from NWT
If you don't wanna reply, fine. I aint opening a thread of NWT and KJV as KJV is not my bible, I use all versions except NWT..so if you wanna debate put up a thread of
NWT vs ALL other Bible version-Which was perverted!?

Cheers mate!

^^^
John 16v2
New Living Translation

For you will be expelled from the synagogues, and the
time is coming when those who kill you will think they
are doing a holy service for God.

You haven't been silent, you spewed hate, indignation, curse and verbal excreta, you spilled all else but love. (Read my signature for further elaboration).
all the while in this thread and others, its either a grp says something is right and not wrong, and the other group saying the other group's views are wrong. But the whole essence is to edify ourselves from the scriptures. But you n some others ALWAYS seem to not only wanna say the other groups view is wrong, but you go further calling them names eg thieves, fools, con men etc (I could quote you if you wish). Question, would Jesus correct other's view via insults? Silence is golden, for it is better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool........than to open your mouth....and
remove all doubt. Most folks on religiious section are quiet, watching some of you folks run your mouth (or keypads) ever noticed Frosbel? Tho we dnt agree much he NEVER use accusative or foul or hate language. I could call others too who we don't agree much abt stuffz in d bible. Why then are you and some other 'christians' different!? Treating fellow Christians as Jesus who you believe in wouldn't?

You think you are doing service for God, but this is my conclusion of the matter:

If sowing seeds, tithing, etc are wrong and I still indulge in them, I stand to loose nothing in this life or the one to come, but if it's right by God and I indulge in them, I stand to gain everything in this life and that to come. Then imagine if they're actually right (which of course they are) and I don't indulge in them, and worse still I indoctrinated it in the minds of babes in Christ(those who aren't firm in the faith), imagine that wrong doctrine laying a stronghold in their generations to come, and imagine God's wrath for such.

Be guided sir,
Warm regards,
Gombs

Strength And Beauty Are In His Temple" · Monday, September 2nd 

Pastor Chris

Honour and majesty surround him: strength and beauty are in his Temple (Psalm 96:6 TLB).

Inspired by his love for the Lord, David wished to build Him a magnificent temples. However, the Lord didn’t let him build the temple, because he (David) was a man of war; rather, it was his son, Solomon, who eventually built the temple. Nonetheless, David made elaborate plans and detailed arrangements for the building of the temple: he laid aside lots of gold and silver to be used in building "God’s house." Why? The answer is what we read in our opening verse: "strength and beauty are in His temple."

Howbeit, Luke’s account of Stephen’s defence of the Gospel before the high priest in Acts 7:48 reveals a striking thought. It says, "…the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands…." 1 Corinthians 6:19 says, "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" You’re the temple of the Holy Spirit; and if strength and beauty are in His temple, then strength and beauty are in you! Praise God!

This is why it’s so important for us to keep winning souls, because every human being that is won to Christ becomes His temple. Beyond that, every individual Christian—everyone that has come to Christ—is a part of the great temple of God; the mystical body of Christ: "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular" (1 Corinthians 12:27). As members of that body, we’re being built by the Word into a magnificent temple, Jesus Christ Himself, being the chief corner stone (Ephesians 2:20).

Prayer
  Dear Father, thank you for making me an effective soul winner, building lives with your Word into a magnificent temple, where your glory, majesty and honour can be displayed for the world to see, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

f u r t h e r s t u d y: Ephesians 2:19-22

Daily Scripture Reading

1 Year Reading Plan : 1 Corinthians 16:1-24, Proverbs 10-112 Year Reading Plan : Luke 20:19-26, 1 Samuel 21

Communion of the Spirit. Let's get to it, rather than whine and criticize and judge and complain, let's get on our knees

*Kabashing mode activated

Sirniyeh: It's almost a week now that the ailing governor of Taraba State, SUNTAI returned home with worse condition of health. But the amazing thing is that Nigerian Pastors who claim to be miracle workers never even uttered symphathetic message to show concern to the governor's state of health.
Adeboye, Oyedepo, Olukoya, Oritshajafor, Oyakhilomeh, other believe and propagate miracle and deliverance. Why have they kept silent to the Governor's ailment? Why have they not called on their deity to restore the man's sanity?
Adeboye claims he hears from God, what has he heard from God for Suntai? TB Joshua claims he sees vision, what has he seen concerning Suntai's health?
The fact is, if Suntai's dilemma remains same till next week, it's a shame to all Sooth-sayer Nigerian prophets and pastors.
Does their God who know how to collect money (tithe and offering) does not know how to heal an insane person.
Infact, I challenge all Nigerian pastors orelse they remain deaf till rapture...

Tis like you saying y barbers won't go and meet folks dat need haircut. Does it make sense?

In Jos, we sending 3000(not too sure as of now) kids back to school.

#InnerCityMission
#Glory
#TheChurchIsMarchingOn

My opinion

Gombs: Nah I didn't, and I was very calm..strange but true. From my deductions, those who did their medicals on sat 1st June and sunday 2nd June got called (mostly). I did mine on monday 3rd june, so..lemme prepare for the next 2weeks time.

Cheers. And congrats to all those resuming TS tomorrow, esp my buddy susan
#Bless

Your opinion

bayoola: Nope Gombs. You got it wrong. Very few peeps got the invite from the abj set that had their test n intetview in the month of May through June.

Only DB knows how dey run their package.

As for me, Patience is the key.

You just deduced yours (cos na only DB n God knws d fact)...why quote me then?

AllGood: Mr Gombs,

Would just want to know if you got the invite to resume TS on Monday?

Nah I didn't, and I was very calm..strange but true. From my deductions, those who did their medicals on sat 1st June and sunday 2nd June got called (mostly). I did mine on monday 3rd june, so..lemme prepare for the next 2weeks time.

Cheers. And congrats to all those resuming TS tomorrow, esp my buddy susan
#Bless

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/604-who-are-the-144-000-of-revelation-7-and-14

swhiss: In a nut shell....yea heaven is real it is Gods place of dwelling...and only a limited number of people will have the oppurtunity to go up there to rule wit christ exactly 144,000, revelation 14: 1-3 .and who will they rule over??
They are going to rule over the other multitudes of humans who survived tru after God has cleared the wicked from de earth.

As for hellfire its not a bible teaching..wen adam rebelld against god..God simply said from de dust u were taken and dere u will return, he never mentioned hellfire...similarly wicked pple today will simply be cut off and once they die they hv paid for their sin and have no hope of a ressurection [psalms 37:9,10]. Our God is love he can never throw pple into a fire to be tormented forever..thats brutal and unlike him.
Serve God cuz u love him and not becuz u fear to be thrown into sme sort of fire!!

Fixed


Open a thread if you wanna explain that further for me