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 Christianity Etc › Re: How Can You Prove To An Atheist That God Exists? by Gombs(m): 3:20pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
This is how I can convince an atheist there is a God. These are twenty questions for atheists...if they fully convince me...I'd have to be an atheist. Your time strts now. Good luck 1.What caused the universe to exist? 2.What explains the fine tuning of the universe? 3.Why is the universe rational? 4.How did DNA and amino acids arise? 5.Where did the genetic code come from? 6.How do irreducibly complex enzyme chains evolve? 7.How do we account for the origin of 116 distinct language families? 8.Why did cities suddenly appear all over the world between 3,000 and 1,000BC? 9.How is independent thought possible in a world ruled by chance and necessity? 10.How do we account for self-awareness? 11.How is free will possible in a material universe? 12.How do we account for conscience? 13.On what basis can we make moral judgements? 14.Why does suffering matter? 15.Why do human beings matter? 16.Why care about justice? 17.How do we account for the almost universal belief in the supernatural? 18.How do we know the supernatural does not exist? 19.How can we know if there is conscious existence after death? 20.What accounts for the empty tomb, resurrection appearances and growth of the church? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Adeboye, Oyedepo, Olukoya, Others Converge To Deliver Suntai... by Gombs(m): 2:51pm On Sep 02, 2013*. Modified: 4:29pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
Sirniyeh: There is no justification in the mouth of an obsessed mind. [s] Because no one carries him to any pastor, does it mean pastor can not go and meet him? [/s] But if to fraud people, your pastor can go outside the shore to organise miracle revival. Many pastor will leave lagos to east or other part of yoruba land to organise miracle revival. Who invited them for that? Dont be deceived! Let the truth be. Accept this truth or remains in darkness till eternity.  Because no one carries a very bushy haired man to any hair salon, does it mean barbers can not go and meet him? Sirniyeh: [s] But if to fraud people, your pastor can go outside the shore to organise miracle revival. Many pastor will leave lagos to east or other part of yoruba land to organise miracle revival. Who invited them for that? Dont be deceived! Let the truth be. Accept this truth or remains in darkness till eternity. [/s]My friend asked you this Kenny4lyfe: [s] I wonder O!!!Are you really frustrated? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 2:26pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
Kenny4lyfe: You killed it Bro! *Kabashing mode |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Three Critical Truths About Seed Sowing by Gombs(m): 2:17pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
^^ Pastor Kunle...you shd consider comedy as an occupation If you need scriptures I have a better idea/answer you should adopt Joagbaje: Can we all just leave tithing matter alone? Going over same circle every year is not wisdom. Let everyone work by his conviction and persuasion .by Joagbaje(m): 12:28pm On Apr 11 Source: www.nairaland.com/1253965/implication-tithing Cheers, Gombs |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Three Critical Truths About Seed Sowing by Gombs(m): 12:54pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: Yawns! it very clear to discerning christians that tithes and seed sowing the way it is preached today in churches is derived by twisting scripture which as you know is a very big sin. It's not a matter of 'if'. evidently you are not sure of what scriptures says, i am and i know beyond any iota of doubt that churches that twist scripture to make money are engaged in spiritual fraud and there is nothing wrong in calling a spade a spade. It's fraud plain and simple. Otherwise show me from scriptures were tithes was defined as a percentage of our monthly income or were christians were commanded to tithe in scripture. If you can't do this then you would have to agree that the proponents of these false doctrines had to twist scripture to arrive at it.Here we go again!! 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 12:46pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
JMAN05: If you want to discuss or criticise the new world translation, good. but first you chose a translation you think its the best (i prefer u chose ur almighty kjv). then form another thread let's see how the the kjv can survive it.Tot as much, you cudnt ansa anytin in my last post. Not even a try. I'm not criticizing the NWT or discussing it, I am only sayin it perverted what all other bible version stated all in a bid to show that Jesus is not God and that Jesus was created. The New World Translation is unique in one thing – it is the first intentional, systematic effort at producing a complete version of the Bible that is edited and revised for the specific purpose of agreeing with a group's doctrine. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Society realized that their beliefs contradicted Scripture. So, rather than conforming their beliefs to Scripture, they altered Scripture to agree with their beliefs. The “New World Bible Translation Committee” went through the Bible and changed any Scripture that did not agree with Jehovah’s Witness theology. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that, as new editions of the New World Translation were published, additional changes were made to the biblical text. Esp the 2012 revised edition As biblical Christians like I continue to point out Scriptures that clearly argue for the deity of Christ (for example), the Watchtower Society would publish new editions of the New World Translation with those Scriptures changed. Here are some of the more prominent examples of intentional revisions: 1. The New World Translation renders the Greek term word staurós ("cross"  as "torture stake" becauseJehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that Jesus was crucified on a cross. 2. The New World Translation does not translate the Greek words sheol, hades, gehenna, and tartarus as "hell” because Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in hell. 3. The NWT gives the translation "presence" instead of “coming” for the Greek word parousia because Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ has already returned in the early 1900s. In Colossians 1:16, the NWT inserts the word “other” despite its being completely absent from the original Greek text. It does this to give the view that “all other things” were created by Christ, instead of what the text says, “all things were created by Christ.” This is to go along with their belief that Christ is a created being, which they believe because they deny the Trinity. Now, the most well-known of all the New World Translation perversions is John 1:1 which you would no post here, any time I read the NWT version of John 1v1 and compare with the greek version, I can't help but scream . The original Greek text reads, “the Word was God.” The NWT renders it as “the word was a god.” This is not a matter of correct translation, but of reading one's preconceived theology into the text, rather than allowing the text to speak for itself. There is no indefinite article in Greek (in English, "a" or "an" , so any use of an indefinite article in English must be added by the translator (Westcoff and Hort). This is grammatically acceptable, so long as it does not change the meaning of the text.So, my dear friend, I'm saying the NWT you clinged much to (as JWs won't use another except it) was perverted by JWs themselves,to show Trinity aint true, that Christ aint God, that Hell aint real,m etc. If you would use another bible let's dig into d issue of trinity, fine, else I won't buy anything you have to say from NWT If you don't wanna reply, fine. I aint opening a thread of NWT and KJV as KJV is not my bible, I use all versions except NWT..so if you wanna debate put up a thread of NWT vs ALL other Bible version-Which was perverted!? Cheers mate! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Three Critical Truths About Seed Sowing by Gombs(m): 9:10am On Sep 02, 2013*. Modified: 9:48am On Sep 02, 2013 |
^^^ John 16v2 New Living Translation For you will be expelled from the synagogues, and the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God. You haven't been silent, you spewed hate, indignation, curse and verbal excreta, you spilled all else but love. (Read my signature for further elaboration). all the while in this thread and others, its either a grp says something is right and not wrong, and the other group saying the other group's views are wrong. But the whole essence is to edify ourselves from the scriptures. But you n some others ALWAYS seem to not only wanna say the other groups view is wrong, but you go further calling them names eg thieves, fools, con men etc (I could quote you if you wish). Question, would Jesus correct other's view via insults? Silence is golden, for it is better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool........than to open your mouth....and remove all doubt. Most folks on religiious section are quiet, watching some of you folks run your mouth (or keypads) ever noticed Frosbel? Tho we dnt agree much he NEVER use accusative or foul or hate language. I could call others too who we don't agree much abt stuffz in d bible. Why then are you and some other 'christians' different!? Treating fellow Christians as Jesus who you believe in wouldn't? You think you are doing service for God, but this is my conclusion of the matter: If sowing seeds, tithing, etc are wrong and I still indulge in them, I stand to loose nothing in this life or the one to come, but if it's right by God and I indulge in them, I stand to gain everything in this life and that to come. Then imagine if they're actually right (which of course they are) and I don't indulge in them, and worse still I indoctrinated it in the minds of babes in Christ(those who aren't firm in the faith), imagine that wrong doctrine laying a stronghold in their generations to come, and imagine God's wrath for such. Be guided sir, Warm regards, Gombs 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 6:37am On Sep 02, 2013 |
Strength And Beauty Are In His Temple" · Monday, September 2nd Pastor Chris Honour and majesty surround him: strength and beauty are in his Temple (Psalm 96:6 TLB). Inspired by his love for the Lord, David wished to build Him a magnificent temples. However, the Lord didn’t let him build the temple, because he (David) was a man of war; rather, it was his son, Solomon, who eventually built the temple. Nonetheless, David made elaborate plans and detailed arrangements for the building of the temple: he laid aside lots of gold and silver to be used in building "God’s house." Why? The answer is what we read in our opening verse: "strength and beauty are in His temple." Howbeit, Luke’s account of Stephen’s defence of the Gospel before the high priest in Acts 7:48 reveals a striking thought. It says, "…the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands…." 1 Corinthians 6:19 says, "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" You’re the temple of the Holy Spirit; and if strength and beauty are in His temple, then strength and beauty are in you! Praise God! This is why it’s so important for us to keep winning souls, because every human being that is won to Christ becomes His temple. Beyond that, every individual Christian—everyone that has come to Christ—is a part of the great temple of God; the mystical body of Christ: "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular" (1 Corinthians 12:27). As members of that body, we’re being built by the Word into a magnificent temple, Jesus Christ Himself, being the chief corner stone (Ephesians 2:20). Prayer Dear Father, thank you for making me an effective soul winner, building lives with your Word into a magnificent temple, where your glory, majesty and honour can be displayed for the world to see, in Jesus’ Name. Amen. f u r t h e r s t u d y: Ephesians 2:19-22 Daily Scripture Reading 1 Year Reading Plan : 1 Corinthians 16:1-24, Proverbs 10-112 Year Reading Plan : Luke 20:19-26, 1 Samuel 21 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prayer On Behalf Of The Church And Christians In Nigeria by Gombs(m): 1:13am On Sep 02, 2013 |
Communion of the Spirit. Let's get to it, rather than whine and criticize and judge and complain, let's get on our knees *Kabashing mode activated |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Adeboye, Oyedepo, Olukoya, Others Converge To Deliver Suntai... by Gombs(m): 8:22pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
Sirniyeh: It's almost a week now that the ailing governor of Taraba State, SUNTAI returned home with worse condition of health. But the amazing thing is that Nigerian Pastors who claim to be miracle workers never even uttered symphathetic message to show concern to the governor's state of health.Tis like you saying y barbers won't go and meet folks dat need haircut. Does it make sense? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Embassy Back To School Initiative by Gombs(m): 6:13pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
In Jos, we sending 3000(not too sure as of now) kids back to school. #InnerCityMission #Glory #TheChurchIsMarchingOn 1 Like |
| Jobs/Vacancies › Re: Diamond Bank Test by Gombs(m): 5:01pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
My opinion Gombs: Nah I didn't, and I was very calm..strange but true. From my deductions, those who did their medicals on sat 1st June and sunday 2nd June got called (mostly). I did mine on monday 3rd june, so..lemme prepare for the next 2weeks time.Your opinion bayoola: Nope Gombs. You got it wrong. Very few peeps got the invite from the abj set that had their test n intetview in the month of May through June.You just deduced yours (cos na only DB n God knws d fact)...why quote me then? |
| Jobs/Vacancies › Re: Diamond Bank Test by Gombs(m): 2:39pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
AllGood: Mr Gombs,Nah I didn't, and I was very calm..strange but true. From my deductions, those who did their medicals on sat 1st June and sunday 2nd June got called (mostly). I did mine on monday 3rd june, so..lemme prepare for the next 2weeks time. Cheers. And congrats to all those resuming TS tomorrow, esp my buddy susan #Bless |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Gombs(m): 11:33am On Sep 01, 2013 |
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/604-who-are-the-144-000-of-revelation-7-and-14 swhiss: In a nut shell....yea heaven is real it is Gods place of dwelling...and only a limited number of people will have the oppurtunity to go up there to rule wit christ Fixed Open a thread if you wanna explain that further for me |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why I Don't Believe In Heaven And Hell... by Gombs(m): 11:30am On Sep 01, 2013*. Modified: 11:47am On Sep 01, 2013 |
[quote author=zadok_the_pt]Unfortunately, you are part of the people that takes scriptures out of context and apply it wrongly. Can you work out your own salvation without God's strength? YOU??  Before you start quoting scriptures and using several translations, atleast you will read in context. Do you start talking by using the word "therefore"? Read the verse before and then the ones after the verse you are talking about. Then you will see your own ERROR! Verse 13 of the sample Chapter says this (AMP) " [Not in your own strength] for it is God Who is all the while effectually at work in you [energizing and creating in you the power and desire], both to will and to work for His good pleasure and satisfaction and delight." Am using the same translation you used. Please, did you see that: NOT IN YOUR OWN STRENGTH? I don't think there is a need to debate that! Please, it is God that WORKS in US, not we ourselves! And if I may add, the OP didn't say he doesn't believe in HEAVEN and HELL, he simply said he doesn't need any man's testimonies to believe God's word. What can man's testimony tell, that God's word is not EXPLICIT about? Please go read the OP again, join the title "Why I don't believe in Hell.." with his last statement ".....Stories And Testimonies" and stop judging a book by it's cover...[/quote]sir, he wanted to know what the verse meant . . . Didn't you notice that? l said it is up for debate if he wants to.If he want to check before verse 12 or after verse 12,its up to him.You already started the debate, whereas I asked him if he want to, not you. If you wanna debate it too,ya should as well start another thread and invite me . Warm Regards, Gombs |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The "Epignosis" Of Him by Gombs(m): 9:54am On Sep 01, 2013 |
I have the Spirit of wisdom and knowledge of him |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 7:33am On Sep 01, 2013*. Modified: 7:51am On Sep 01, 2013 |
JMAN05: I ve never heard about it before. just give me the source. however their comment may be conmected with the manuscript they were preparing, not just the scriptures cos no one has the original manuscript written by the apostles now. but scholars prefer their text to TESTUS RECEPTUS. that is my concern here. some translators used it too.www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/wh-heretics.htm Knock yourself out. What scholars preffered their text? Names pls JMAN05: that verse never supported your point at all. your poaition is that Jesus is just a part of God, namely, the word. meaning that he has no personality. this position is what I am against in this discussion. are you in effect stating that the Father has no personality too?It did, your bible NWT (used only by JWs) is the only bible in the World (stand to be corrected), that used the word union. My position is that Jesus is GOD, not a part of God. He had no personality till after he was made flesh, died and resurrected into heaven ALIVE. I've answered this na, stop twisting my words. Where did I say God has no personality? It pleased God that in Jesus should ALL the fullness of the Godhead (deity) dwell. Col 2v9, but your NWT perverted Col 2v9 again. Like I said, NWT is not a translation, but a sectarian theory If you interprete that scripture that way, how will you interprete this;John 10v30 I and MY FATHER are ONE. Meaning SAME, and he wants us to be partakers of the divine nature. That why Christianity aint a religion 1jonh 4v17 say as He (Jesus) is (not was), so are we IN THIS WORLD (not when we get to heaven. What he meant by "All of them may be one" is simply put here 1corinth 12v13 NLT Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles, some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit. "10 Do you not believe that I am inHere again the word union is used...lol, use another bible aside your NWT pls...told you NWT is perverted to show that Jesus was created Your rejecting it and accepting the kjv filled with error shows that your rejection is out of ignorance.And your NWT is not with 'errors', and it is the only right bible translation out of a possible 30? Oya, leave KJV, use NLT, amplified, GoodNews bible, NIV etc. Or are the 'full or errors' too? Isn't it funny that all translations 'has errors' while your NWT hasn't? See what your NWT did John 8:58 says "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. " The NWT have distorted these beautiful and simple words of our Lord into "Jesus said to them: Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I HAVE BEEN." I HAVE BEEN? My GOD is not a HAVE BEEN! He's always living, he's not a reincarnate, have been means he lived before, and something happened he ceased to exist, then he later reappeared. When Moses was on the mount before God, and asked Him what to tell the people when they asked who God was, Did God say 'I HAVE BEEN THAT I HAVE BEEN?' NO!!! Did he tell Moses to tell them "I HAVE BEEN HATH SENT THEE'? NO!! The word of God in Exodus 3:14 says And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And by the way, do you think "before Abraham came into existence" is easier to understand than "before Abraham was"? Anyway, if the I AM in Hebrews 8;58 is changed, the reference to exodus 3:14 is LOST, and anyone reading it that way will not know that Jesus is the I AM in John 8:58 and the SAME I AM that spoke to Moses from the burning bush. (Meaning Jesus and God are same, because you cannot separate God from his word (Jesus)) By the way sef you never post John 1v1 I asked you to post here from your NWT o. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 6:08am On Sep 01, 2013 |
The "Epignosis" Of Him · Sunday, September 1st · Pastor Chris According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue (2 Peter 1:3). The word "knowledge" in the verse above is the Greek "epignosis," and it means exact or precise knowledge; full knowledge with intimacy. It means full comprehension, recognition, or perception; to become fully acquainted with God. This is the knowledge He seeks for us to have of Him. Our opening verse says, we’ve been called to glory and virtue; that means a life of glory, honour, dignity and excellence; but notice how this life works: it’s through the knowledge—"epignosis" of Him. The Holy Spirit, through the Apostle Paul, shows us how to get this knowledge of God in His prayer for the Church: " That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened…" (Ephesians 1:17-18). What does this mean? He’s saying that as you get to know God through this kind of special relationship or acquaintance, He’ll grant you insight into reality. Yes, God has appointed you to a life of honour, dignity, and excellence, but as you learn about Him, as you meditate on the Word, secrets about this life, and how to walk in the reality of it are unveiled to you. It reminds of yet another powerful truth in 2 Peter 1:2: "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord." Again, the word translated knowledge here is "epignosis." So, in addition to a life of honour, dignity, and excellence, grace and peace can be multiplied in your life as you meditate on the Word of God. Prayer Through fellowship with the Word, I’m brought into an esoteric knowledge of God, and of the Lord Jesus. I have full discernment and understanding of divine realities because the eyes of my spirit have been flooded with light, to know the hope of my calling and the glory of God’s inheritance in the saints, in Jesus’ Name. Amen. f u r t h e r s t u d y: 2 Peter 3:18; Philemon 1:5-6 Daily Scripture Reading 1 Year Reading Plan : 1 Corinthians 15:35-58, Proverbs 8-9 2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 20:9-18, 1 Samuel 20 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 10:00pm On Aug 31, 2013 |
JMAN05: What will we call this your method?D main issue here is Trinity..dats y dis thread is open. Now, pls, do you doubt the infallibility of the bible? Do you believe it shd be treated as any other book? Oya, if you cnt ansa dat, pls quote John 1v1, John 14v10 and acts 10v38 from NWT bible. We can proceed from there, else...let's leave it at that. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 7:58pm On Aug 31, 2013*. Modified: 8:14pm On Aug 31, 2013 |
JMAN05: please read errors in kjv version in this link. the errors are too much to copy. Tnx for your time...try and address why they said the bible shd be treated as any other book, and that the infallibility of the bible is absurd, if you don't I'd assume you take after their belief too. Meanwhile, let's get bck to trinity issue. You said God is in heaven, which is true, but when Jesus was on earth, he said something striking John 14 v 10 New Living Translation don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me. Tis true dat God lives in heaven, what then did Jesus mean by "my father who lives in me"? If not the Holyspirit (which Jesus called my father, meaning God and Holyspirit are same) I say tis the holyspirit that Jesus was referring to in this verse because of Acts 10v38 New Living Translation 38 And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. I dare you to post same posts above from the JW's NWT bible...twas so perverted just so that Jesus is not seen as same as God, or the Holyspirit is not seen as God himself The first thing I say to a JW's before I study with them is that I will not accept anything from the NWT as authoritative. But they won't accept any other Bible in their heart, even though they might allow you to use one. I then understood thus: 1. The NWT is so extremely biased & perverted, it is questionable if any Hebrew or Greek scholars worked on it. It is nothing more than a sectarian paraphrase, not a translation. 2. No one uses the NWT except the Jw's. 3. Jw's on the other hand will use nothing else! 4. It has undergone many revisions. (deny it na, no wonder Westcoff and Hort said the bible shd be treated as any other book)Pls post NWT version of Acts 10v38 and John 14v 10 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 11:49am On Aug 31, 2013*. Modified: 12:12pm On Aug 31, 2013 |
JMAN05: didnt u see wescott and hot and kjv there? seems u are not just ready,Lol You didn't quote KJV joor... WESTCOTT AND HORT Brooke Foss Westcott (1825-1901) and Fenton John Anthony Hort (1828-1892) produced a Greek New Testament in 1881 based on the findings of Tischendorf. This Greek NT was the basis for the Revised Version of that same year. They also developed a theory of textual criticism which underlay their Greek NT and several other Greek NT since (such as the Nestle's text and the United Bible Society's text). Greek New Testaments such as these produced the modern English translations of the Bible we have today. So it is important for us to know the theory of Westcott and Hort as well as something of the two men who have so greatly influenced modern textual criticism. In short, the Westcott and Hort theory states that the Bible is to be treated as any other book would be. Westcott and Hort believed the Greek text which underlies the KJV was perverse and corrupt. Hort called the Textus Receptus vile and villainous (Life and Letters of Fenton John Anthony Hort, Vol. I, p.211). If Westcott and Hort are the fathers of modern textual criticism and the restorers of the true text, should we not know something of their beliefs to see if they are consistent with Scripture? This would be harmonious with the teaching found in Matthew 7:17. Here's what Westcott and Hort said about... The Scriptures: "I reject the word infallibility of Holy Scriptures overwhelmingly." (Westcott, The Life and Letters of Brook Foss Westcott, Vol. I, p.207). "Our Bible as well as our Faith is a mere compromise." (Westcott, On the Canon of the New Testament, p. vii). "Evangelicals seem to me perverted. . .There are, I fear, still more serious differences between us on the subject of authority, especially the authority of the Bible." (Hort, The Life and Letters of Fenton John Anthony Hort, Vol. I, p.400) "Dr. Wilbur Pickering writes that, Hort did not hold to a high view of inspiration." (The Identity of the New Testament Text, p.212) You want me to Go with Westcott and Hort who don't believe in the infallibility of the bible? Who said the bible shd be treated like any other book? If you won't use KJV or any other aprt from JW's NW, I'm afraid we cnt mov forward on this 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Three Critical Truths About Seed Sowing by Gombs(m): 11:45am On Aug 31, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: @reyginusDid you answer any of mine? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 6:10am On Aug 31, 2013 |
The Entrance Of His Word! · Saturday, August 31st · Pastor Chris The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple (Psalm 119:130). The verse above doesn’t say that the Word gives light, but that ‘the entrance of the Word gives light.’ It’s your responsibility to allow God’s Word entrance into your heart—your spirit. The Word of God has the ability to nourish and build you up spiritually, physically and mentally: "And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified" (Acts 20:32). In addition, when the Word gains the mastery over your life, it washes, purifies, and cleanses your spirit, ridding it of fear, doubt, and guilt. The Word in you will give you the right mind-set—the mind-set of the righteous. Romans 12:2 tells us how to experience supernatural transformation by the Word: "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." As you assimilate God’s Word into you, the Word mingles with your Spirit, making you what it talks about. Some Christians tend to appraise their spiritual growth in terms of how long they’ve been born again. Well, you may have been a Christian for twenty years, that’s not what transforms your life! The Word of God in your spirit is what transforms your life and takes you from one level of glory to a higher level. Settle your heart on the Word today, and watch yourself transformed from glory to glory. Prayer Dear Father, I thank you for the blessing of your Word; with joy, faith and meekness I receive into my spirit your engrafted Word that’s able to transform me from glory to glory, and the power of your Spirit to keep me in the centre of your perfect will, in Jesus’ Name. Amen. f u r t h e r s t u d y: Daily Scripture Reading 1 Year Reading Plan : Proverbs 5-7 1 Corinthians 15:1-34 2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 20:1-8 1 Samuel 19 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 2:30am On Aug 31, 2013 |
JMAN05: where did i use NW in my present write up there?Oya put up the bible version you quoted from. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 10:16pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
JMAN05: Being in God's right hand sometimes means being in a favorable position in God's stand point. However God is a person who sits on a throne in heaven. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 10:05pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
JMAN05: Being in God's right hand sometimes means being in a favorable position in God's stand point. However God is a person who sits on a throne in heaven.Told you I won't take you serious if you don't use the KJV or any other version aside JW's NW. In summary, you win,can we now give it a rest? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Three Critical Truths About Seed Sowing by Gombs(m): 8:30pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: He would never answer this question.Did you answer any question I asked you? And quite frankly, the way you sir, and your followers attend/relate to those opposing your views (though Christians too) is worrisome and unChrist-like. Pastor Kun: We can't accommodate them because the bible instructs us in very clear terms to rebuke false teachers.Be guided properly sir. Where is God's love in your above? Meanwhile I await your response to my post, if I don't see it I'd assume you lack substance and this verse isw for you Titus 1:10-11,13, AMP 10 For there are many disorderly and unruly men who are idle (vain, empty) and misleading talkers and self- deceivers and deceivers of others. [This is true] especially of those of the circumcision party [who have come over from Judaism]. 11 Their mouths must be stopped, for they are mentally distressing and subverting whole families by teaching what they ought not to teach, for the purpose of getting base advantage and disreputable gain. 13 And this account of them is [really] true. Because it is [true], rebuke them sharply [deal sternly, even severely with them], so that they may be sound in the faith and free from error, I just rebuked you, just sound that you may be sound in the faith, and free from error. Kind regards sir, Gombs 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Three Critical Truths About Seed Sowing by Gombs(m): 9:49am On Aug 30, 2013*. Modified: 10:35am On Aug 30, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: Everything with the post is wrong. God is not a money doubler and you don't need to give any pastor or church money before God decides to bless you. God's blessings are purely by his grace and not by any filthy "seed" brethen are deceived into sowing.Is it your money? Y don't let those who believe in it to continue, we aren't complaining, we know the benefits, you don't have to agree with it. A lie is a lie even if everybody is doing it, and Truth is truth even if no one is doing it. Depends on how you take it God blessing are there, they are by grace...but what did the baible say about giving to men who make God's word available to the rest? Jesus collected seeds o! Luke 8 Amplified Bible (AMP) Soon afterward, [Jesus] went on through towns and villages, preaching and bringing the good news (the Gospel) of the kingdom of God. And the Twelve [apostles] were with Him, 2 And also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had been expelled; 3 And Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s household manager; and Susanna; and many others, who ministered to and provided for Him and them out of their property and personal belongings. Don't that look like seed sowing? I should note at this point that while the women contributed the money which provided for the needs of this group, a man (Judas, to be specific, John 12:6; 13:29) kept and distributed the funds. Let's look at Luke, cos he was writing to theophilus, a thing he was so certain of, after MUCH conviction. Look what like wrote Luke 1 English Standard Version (ESV) 1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, 2 just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, 3 it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught. I understand the Gospel of Luke to indicate three major forms of support of those who minister. First, men may be supported in proclaiming the gospel by those who have previously benefited from their ministry. This is the case in Luke 8:1-3 as I know it. These women had personally benefited from our Lord’s ministry to them, and now they support His ministry to others. (Same as seed sowing today is possible, because I've benefited from my pastor, and I support his ministry to others, not because they are 'broke' or lacking, Jesus wasn't broke nor lacking). Paul was supported by the Macedonians, to whom he had previously ministered (Philippians 1:3-6; 4:10-13). Second, men may be supported by those to whom they presently minister. When Jesus sent out the 12 ( Luke 9:1-6) and the 72 (Luke 10:1-12), He told them to take nothing (because Jesus knew the folks would wanna give em stuffs/seeds/support/etc). That was because they were to be ministering to those to whom they came, among whom they lived and served. The 12 and the 72 were to heal and to cast out demons. Surely the cities to which the came should have gladly sustained these preachers and miracle-workers. They were indeed servants “worthy of their hire.” Third, some men were self-supported. When men became hostile toward our Lord and His message, Jesus spoke to His disciples about a different means of being supported as they proclaimed the gospel: Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment” ( Luke 22:35-37). When the disciples of the Lord previous went about preaching and healing, they were generally well received. But after our Lord’s rejection and crucifixion, it would be different for His disciples as well. Now they were to continue to go out, preaching the gospel, but this time fully prepared to care for themselves. In effect, they were to be self-supporting in the hostile world which was to come. Because of various evils and abuses (mainly those of the false teachers) Paul refused to exercise his right to be supported by the church , and to minister at no cost. Indeed, Paul even worked with his own hands so as to be able to support others (Acts 20:34-35). This last method is not a very popular one today. Few seem willing to dirty their hands with common, mundane labor. Many are those who want someone else to support them in their ministry. Many of these ask people whom they do not know, to whom they have never ministered, to support them in ministry. I do not see this kind of support in the New Testament. When, then, should men be supported, by whom, and under what circumstances? From the entire book of Luke I believe we would have to say that this would differ for different people, and even for the same people, under different circumstances. I believe that we should be supported either by those to whom we have ministered or by those to whom we presently minister. And, we should be supported only when it promotes the gospel of Jesus Christ . There were times when Paul avoided taking money for his ministry because of the abusive practices of the false teachers. There were times when Paul was trying to practice the gospel by working with his own hands, supporting others. And there were times when Paul accepted support so that he could devote himself to proclaiming the truth of the gospel. Whether Pastors are supported or not should be determined by determining whether or not the gospel will be best served by being supported or by being a supporter of others by working with out own hands. Too many people in ministry refuse to consider both options. Know that supporting the gospel ministry involves the support of many. The women who supported our Lord’s ministry did not support only Jesus—they supported the entire ministry team: These women were helping to support them out of their own means ( Luke 8:3). There are many Christians who want to support the leader of a ministry. After all, he is visible, vocal, and dynamic. But they are not so eager to pay the secretary who takes his calls or types his sermon manuscripts, which are essential functions too. When the gospel ministry is supported the gospel team should be supported. Also, Supporting the gospel ministry involves the mundane. I am sure that there was nothing very exciting about buying heads of lettuce, or vegetables, or meat, but these were the things from which the meals were made. Today, Christians are not eager to pay for the office rent, for the utility bills, or for printer ribbons. All of these mundane matters are necessary, however, and buying them as a part of the gospel ministry is supporting the ministry, no matter how mundane that may seem. He or she who is faithful in little will be faithful in much. These words of our Lord refer to ministry with money, and then ministry in other ways: “Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much” ( Luke 16:10). In the context of this passage it is clear that money is the “little thing” while other matters are the greater things. These women, who were faithful to follow our Lord in Galilee, and to meet the needs of the group, were faithful also at the foot of the cross and at the tomb of our Lord. Their faithfulness in the little thing of money assured them of faithfulness in the greater things of a later time. Judas, on the contrary, who was not faithful in the little thing of money was not faithful in greater things. Faithfulness in the matter of money is critical, for it leads to faithfulness in greater things as well. Investing in the gospel ministry determined where the hearts of these women were: “For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also” ( Matthew 6:21). Thanks 'Pastor' Kunle 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 9:04am On Aug 30, 2013 |
Anchor Your Life On His Word · Friday, August 30th Pastor Anita Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 24:35). God’s Word is the guaranteed change- agent that can transform you from glory to glory. Whatever positive change you desire in life is possible; you don’t have to cry about it; turn to the Word. Find out what the Word says concerning what you’re dealing with and then begin to meditate. 1 Timothy 4:15 tells us the inevitable result of meditating on the Word—your success and prosperity will be evident: "Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all." Many in the world today live in fear, following the uncertain global economic situation; that’s because their lives aren’t anchored on God’s eternal Word. When your life is anchored on the Word, nothing moves you. When men are cast down, whining and griping about the problems in the world, you’re unperturbed. Job 22:29 says, "When men are cast down, then thou shalt say, There is lifting up…." In other words, when your life is anchored on the Word, you’re like a tree that’s planted by the waters— forever nourished! You don’t know when heat comes; you’re ever radiant, productive, and excelling from glory to glory. Your success and prosperity aren’t in the hands of any government; neither are they determined by the vagaries of the world’s economy or changeable human opinions. True success and prosperity are based on the Word. If you desire a life of continuous progress and ever- increasing glory; a life that’s safe, stable and assured; you have to keep living in the Word. Study and meditate on the Word always. Avail yourself the opportunity to hear the Word through every available medium. If you listen well and long enough, the Word will mingle with your spirit, giving you an extraordinary mind-set of excellence, dominion, victory, success and greatness. Confession The Word of God is my life; therefore, it’s natural for me to live in, and by the Word. My profiting through the Word is manifest to all! As I put the Word to work today, I’m metamorphosed into the glory that I behold in the Word, and I’m filled with all the fullness of God. Glory to God! f u r t h e r s t u d y: Acts 20:32; James 1:23-25; Psalms 119:89 Daily Scripture Reading 1 Year Reading Plan : Proverbs 3-4 1 Corinthians 14 2 Year Reading Plan : Luke 19:41-48 1 Samuel 18 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Just A Literal Word Of God? Jman05 And Gomb by Gombs(m): 10:41pm On Aug 29, 2013*. Modified: 9:11am On Aug 30, 2013 |
JMAN05: You cannot separate a man from his word. Thats true, but for the fact that Jesus sat at the right hand of God, does it not constitute separation?If you cnt separate a man from his word, John 1 says Jesus is God's word, meaning they aint separable..simple. If you say the right hand of God is literal, whereas I said it mean place of total power and authority, I then have questions for you abt the Right hand of God: 1. Does the LORD (Jehovah-God) have a physical right hand , which defeated the Egyptians, imparted deliverance to Israel, brought salvation ...etc ? 1. Is Jesus standing (as in Acts 7:55) or sitting (as in Hebrews 1:3) ? 2. How many thrones are required to contain the Most High ? See Rev 4:1-5, and Rev 5:1-7 3. Is there complete victory for the people of the LORD (Israel), or is His right hand restrained ? Will it not be reasonable then to conclude that Jesus was a personality who spoke for God, instead of viewing him as the word in a literal sense? What do you think? Well, that doesnt mean that God cannot speak.No it won't be reasonable. You just answered urself Of a thousand and one places God spoke in d bible where did you see/hear Jesus was his spokesman at the time? If you'd said prophets, priests etc were God's spokesman, then no problem. Look at this scripture Ezekiel 36v37 New Living Translation "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am ready to hear Israel's prayers and to increase their numbers like a flock. Pls point out who SPOKE and WHERE JESUS was d spokesman. Find any place in d bible whr Jesus was a spokesman Secondly, Jesus as a spirit person in the heaven can be made flesh. Angels in the past were able to materialise human flesh.Is Jesus an Angel? I tot angels are ministers (servants)? And my bible said we believers would Judge angels? Are you saying we are higher than Jesus who you likened to an Angel? Now if we are to say that Jesus was just a literal word of God, the question is, who spoke from heaven during Jesus' baptism?Tot you said Jesus was a spokesman? Who spoke from heaven then if the spokesman was on earth? Go study John 1 hard. Jesus was God's Word made FLESH...God spoke (this time without his spokesman )not to His Word (Jesus) but to the Whole Creation..water, land, demons, nairaland, seun, etc. God wasn't addressing Jesus, because Everything He (God) has said (His Word) was embodied in Flesh, Jesus. I also do not think he was just a word during. his prehuman existence. Why? Let's turn to Dan. 7:13, 14.Sir I'd appreciate you outline your bible used. And yeah, that's the RIGHT HAND of power av been talking abt. Total rule, dominion, power and authority. This is the same right hand (not physical/literal right hand as you think) he used to defeat israel's enemies, and so on. And yes, he was God's word before God made him flesh to serve as perfect sacrifice for redemption of man. Daniel saw a vision, just as he did in the latter part of his book, where he saw the End of Time. He was conceived of the HolySpirit (don't you know what conceive mean) meaning he never existed as a person in Heaven, til he resurrection and ascension, how then did you conclude he was a spokesman? Wen God first spoke in Genesis 1, going by your spokesman analogy, Jesus was formed/created as you said in the other thread, then he became his spokesman...does this seem sound to you? You said that he was WITH God in the begining. A thing in you cant be WITH you, rather it will be IN you. Not so?Again I ask, can you separate a man from his words? Your words are IN you and same as WITH you. If your words are evil, evil is IN you and WITH you. Can you be separated from your word, so that it is assigned authority, or sits elsewhere instead of in you?President GEJ can be in Aso Rock and his spoken word is having FULL presidential authority in Maiduguri. It doesn't mean he was separated from his word...it means he has authority, so are his words wherever the word goes. Thanks for your quotation. Now, lets see what verse 15 says. Literally, it says "who is image of the God the invisible, FIRSTBORN of ALL creation". (Wescott and Hott word for word translation)Is Jesus an Angel? I told you to put your bible reference. I'd love you to use KJV or NLT or NIV...because Jehova Witnesses I've come across never use ALL bible translation, except ummm...forgot that its name sef. Quote the above from ANY bible except this your version, and you'd be shocked at the huge difference your quotation is from other. No? After you do that, I'd now show you that Proverbs 8 was about Wisdom It self. Hope you know the 7 spirits of God? Wisdom is one of them..checkout Isaiah 11v2 to see the 7 spirits, also Rev 4:5 Jesus has many privileges. Both that of judging and forgiving. The bible shows that God view Jesus as unique, as such God assign him MANY MANY privileges. REMEMBER THAT IT WAS GOD THAT ASSIGNS HIM PRIVILEGES. We read:John 10v30 I and MY FATHER are ONE. Melchizedek was likened to Jesus, he was unique how many privileges God gave him? Did you notice that the son CANNOT do anything of his own initiative? So Jesus can do Many things because God gave him the authority or allowed him. But Jesus states that woeship is for his father alone. Luke 4:8.Twas because he was now flesh, he now has his own will, little wonder he said not my will, but your will be done. He had limits as he was in flesh, he felt pain, cried, got tired, etc. He was MAN, and hence needed the father' initiatives to get the work the Father sent him on earth to do, done. Jesus is a servant of God. So he himself calls Him God. So if we see serve or worship assigned to Jesus it means prostrate or that the worship is giving to the almighty through Jesus since Jesus serves Him too.Jesus serves God? Funny fellow. In heaven now, Jesus is serving God? Col 2v9 tells me that it pleased God that in Jesus should ALL the fullness of the Godhead dwell. Meaning when we Get to heaven, we see Jesus on the Throne...Why!? Because the Godhead dwells in him...for God exalted him and gave him a name that is above ALL (not some) names, that in the name of Jesus ALL (not some) knees should bow, in HEAVEN, on earth, and below the earth. Now, tell me how Jesus in heaven is serving God in heaven? Jesus worship God while on earth, because he then has his own will as a man, he needed God to fulfil his work on earth, and He needed God for the supernatural life. Ya am one of them, however, we are discussing the bible, not religion.My JW people...pls use KJV or any other bible, preferably NLT or NIV or AMP aside your bible version. Else, I won't take your bible quotation serious. And pls answer ALL d questions I put forth, in a short and precise way. Thanks 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was God The Creator Of Evil? (poverty, Sickness, Natural Disasters, Etc) by Gombs(op): 10:00pm On Aug 29, 2013 |
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