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JMAN05: @op

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1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.

There was a heaven and an Earth. God now casted down from heaven,the Devil and his cohorts down to the Earth after their rebellion/disobedience/evil. Now after the devil was casted down with his cohorts, look what they did to the Earth God (who creates good) created.


2 And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


The Earth was a chaotic mass, nothing was working, it was rendered Void, by who?? The devil. The earth has those dents because of the devil. But God, came along and started fixing things. Till he fixed it all, and rested. But the Devil still has the powers God allocated him as an Arch Angel, God never collected them because Romans 11v29 English Standard Version
Says

For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
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I must say that you did a very nice work above. That shows the love of God in you. However, i think there is a misunderstanding here, which no doubt affected you concusions.

Please note that satan was cast down on earth thousands of years AFTER the creation by God. Rev. 1:1; 12: 7, 10.

Meaning that the Devil was operating from heaven prior to his ousting even some years after the first century CE.

It was after God created everything on the sixth day that He said that His creations were very good NOT after creating the heaven and earth alone.

When God created the heaven and earth, it was formless and darkness filled everywhere. So when He decides to beautify it with the intention to create animals and humans, He started to create day, night, trees, animals etc. After which He pronounced them as being very good.

So it was not the devil that made it formless or without light. That was the way God left the planet earth from the beginning after creating it. After which He chose to beautify it.

Of course, some other planets also exist without being as well built and beautified like the earth is.

<<In other words when God gives something to you, he never takes it back, no matter how evil you turn afterwards. So, the devil still having those powers, continues to dent the Earth with it, causing more harm to the Earth (suffering, pain, disease, etc). God will not stop him( not that he can't), because legally, the devil rules the earth,because God casted him down here. No wonder Jesus said "you are in the world, but not of this World". So, he averts devils plans of destruction through his Sons on Earth (Christians). That's a legal way, because man lives here on Earth, and God now decided to Live in man(those who believes in Jesus) through the HolySpirit. >>

Ya, the devil initiated a process that left us in our present delima. However, this started when he deceived Adam and Eve. Their being chased out from that builtiful paradise, the land being cursed on Adam's behalf, and the perfection being lost, marked the genesis of our journey towards evil and bad attitudes.

So imperfection, unforseen occurrence and devil's rulership, brot about what we see today. Eccl. 4: 1-3.

<<He then stops the antics of the devil through believers
In Jesus Christ ONLY, and he can only do that When we pray. Note that God WILL DO NOTHING on Earth if we don't pray, it doesn't matter how ravaged the Earth gets through the works of Satan, he will not interfere. That's why Jesus said in Luke 18v1 "men ought to always pray, and not faith". He went on and on saying we should ASK not Complain-Ask(ask means make a request he did not say complain to, for God knows your heart, he's seen dat concern of urs, he just needs you to ASK of him anything) the Father ANYTHING in my name, and He will do it y you", mark 11 v22 he said, "HAVE FAITH IN GOD".

You may ask, Must we Pray? Doesn't he see the disasters and Pain? Shey he said He'd not Sleep nor Slumber, shey he said, shey he said,but he said...etc

In Ezekiel 36 God promised a lot for His people, he said he would enrich them, restore them, he will put his spirit in them and cause them to walk in his statutes, that he'd dwell in the land, he will save them from disasters, buy yet after saying all these goodies to them, see what he said in verse 37
Ezekiel 36v37 AMP


37 Thus says the Lord God: For this also I will let the house of Israel inquire of Me to do it for them; ...


He still wanted them to Pray(ASK of him, prayer is asking not complaining). We must pray (ask) because he'd only do for us what we ask, he won't do for us what we didn't ask for, no matter how long you suffer in for example poverty, he is not gonna change dat for you, except you ask for a change. He's moved by faith, not tears, not complains, not rebellion.

So, those disasters happen because those affected don't pray (ask) God for aversion or change in that situation. He doesn't need a whole Nation to pray, he just need one man with and earnest prayer in FAITH. James 5v16-17. Then imagine what a hundred would do, or thousands or millions would do in earnest prayer

You see why Jesus said we should GO and tell ALL Creature (not just man), the good news (gospel)? Because if the nation knew this, we'd be better off.

If they knew that instead of complaining of bad governments and no jobs, and corruption of government officials, if they quit complaining about bad economy and disasters, and diseases and so on, if the quit complaining and instead get praying, things would be long better?>>

No matter your prayer, evil will still be here. The only hope is God's kingdom by Christ Jesus. So that should be the subject of our prayers. Matt. 6:9, 10. Things will continue to move bad to worse. Thats the prophecy that MUST occur. It will be critical, 2tim 3:1-5.

True Christians will soon face the great tribulation. Well God will continue to assist us, that is the more reason why we should continually ask for the kingdom to come. Since satan rules the world, true christians wont find it funny.

However, Satan and his cohorts will soon receive the hit from God and many (not all) righteous humans will again inhabit the earth. Psalms 37: 9, 10, 11, 29.

<<Israelites stayed 40yrs in d wilderness not for disobedience, not for lying or any such, but for COMPLAINING. God marveled at their unbelief, even after he split a sea in front of them,they still complained after, brought quails to d wilderness, brought water out of a rock, they still complained after etc they still complained..twas supposed to be a 40day journey. But rather than for them to pray about a difficult situation, they Complained.>>

Complaint and disobedience were among the problems.

But note that prayers can help us, but prayers about God's kingdom is the wisest choice because, with or without prayer, the prophecy must come true. It the result of bible prophecy that we see all these happening. But God has a plan.

<<In Conclusion, God wants us well, He will only have one you (no you ever existed before you or will after you), He is always trying to get close to us, He wants us to be partakers of divinity, to leave like gods which we are (psalms 82v6, Exodus 7v1), this is why Christianity is NOT a religion. God did not initiate Evil and Negativity.>>

He did not initiate evil, ya. Humans can be called gods, but this term often refers to persons with a higher position. Because the term probably means 'mighty one'. At least it does not allow for we using it for any human.

Note: God doesnt dwell in men, He stays in heaven, but with His spirit, He can have an influence in us.

FOLYKAZE: Oh my good God. So because you are a christian you think you know whole bible and can pick the verse that will save your azz? Fvck that

1 Peter 3:15
King James Version (KJV)
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Pastor Chris has brainwashed you. I asked a simple question but you refused to answer. If you cant, you putting your faith into shame

FOLYKAZE: GOMBS explain this. Dont run away from it

Bidam: Great post Op.Sometimes i used to wonder whether God really created evil when i read these scriptures below:


(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
(Amos 3:6) - "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?"

Can you give us more insight as regard to these?

striktlymi: I know for a fact that God is not evil. This is my personal belief which I can defend. I am just curious about the defence you can put up for your belief.

Tgirl4real: Bro Shdemidemi n jesusislord,

This thread is about upgrading your life. If you aint ready to upgrade, abeg carry una gist somewhere else.

striktlymi: But God does not change. Do I take the above to mean that God used evil at some point before the coming of Christ?

striktlymi: I like this...

But I can decipher from your post that this was the case before it was abolished. Still, would you agree that God used evil at some point, though he did not create them?

voltron: @OP.. just my personal opinion ooh, your post is just a waffle and shuffle in Biblical sophistry. it is feel good though and useful for keeping the faithful in check of their vices. but all that talk no be the truth, na just Biblical truth but not factual Truth.. even by Biblical Standards. no offense intended.

striktlymi: Another great post but I am thinking more about some other ish. For instance, if a father commits a crime, he is punished and not his children. God made us understand that he can punish a child for the sins of the father.

Under normal circumstances this would be regarded as a wicked act if it is done by man. Judging by this, won't it be safe to say that God uses some wicked acts, even though he did not create them?

FOLYKAZE: Lies from a delusional drunkard...... Christians with their cherry picking. And you will tell us satan is the father of all liars...ye are sons of lies

Chibuebem: I agree. God is the author of good, but he punishes sin too.

Tgirl4real: lol

I bin dey wonder which wan be upgrade again.

striktlymi: Hey Gombs,

Great job!

Quick question if you don't mind...

You believe God did not create evil...this much I believe too but do you think that God, though not the 'creator' of evil, still uses some sought of 'evil' to achieve his purpose here on Earth?

ifeness: Really?!! All you need is inside of you ....... Sounds like the gnostic gospel to me. The bible make you guys confused . One minute God is love and the next minute he needs anger management. Learn to think for yourself,you don't need this book to live a good life.

Kenny4lyfe: You beat me to the first spot this time friend!
Gloraaaaaayyyyy!

Goshen360: I have many things to say such as,

New Living Translation
Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God.

If it APPLIES to you, then you have 613 laws to keep. You can't take one and leave the rest you know. We are ministers of the New Testament and of better covenant. We do Christlike and the Apostolic, not the mosaic.

Goshen360: That it teaches you or written for our learning, does that mean it is APPLICABLE to you or written for our APPLICATION? How do you apply crossing red sea or Jordan river to Christians?

Goshen360: In all of those scriptures quoted, God was talking to CHRISTIANS? Please tell us what that means to CHRISTIANS. Christians are to be busy, understanding their own covenant not what was said to Joshua. In Christ, we have a surpassing heritage that Joshua and the rest of them.

FOLYKAZE: Yet there is nothing like upgrading in the bible......shebi na that curled hair pastor? Mtchewwww. Thief-wagon

FOLYKAZE: Yet there is nothing like upgrading in the bible......shebi na that curled hair pastor? Mtchewwww. Thief-wagon

Bidam: @bolded, i hope you meant Christ not Pst.Chris

Joagbaje: Was Abraham an isrealite?

Pastor Kun: You have no business paying tithes except you are an israelite and you produce from the land of Israel. It's a sin to add to God's word, twist or manipulate for whatever reason. God NEVER asked for tithes of cars or money. Stop allowing your pastors to force their silly opinions/bias into scriptures.

FOLYKAZE: It is either you are a thief or trying to venture into pastorpreneur. Did what you quote indicates money at all?

This is from the bible:

Deuteronomy 14
22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.
23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always.
24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),
25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.
26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.
27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.
28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns,
29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.


From the above verse, tithe is to be paid yearly or every three years adding up all the previous years. This contradict fraudulent claims of monthly paying you and your pasthieves are spreading.

Tithe is farm produce and not money

Tithe can be convert to silver/money when you at distance place but you will use it to buy whatever pleases your heart.....meaning those farm produce you cant travel with but you can still buy farm produce when you get to the house of God. This contradict your holy-scam of opening account with the bank and sowing seed with money? Is church investment company?

Nothing like double double blessing in that verse, you pay tithe and praise the lord for giving it to you. Not the other way round, pay and be bless........you are a thief.

Paying tithe is jollyment..........your version is exploitation and ripping people's pocket dry.


YOU HAVE TURNED THE HOUSE OF GOD INTO HOUSE OF ROBBERS.

damosky12 and his team pastorpreneur are THIEVES

Joagbaje: . . . , And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name, which is above every name: (Philippians 2:8-9).

Humility is a quality of the recreated human spirit that attracts divine favour and promotion. It’s an inner ability—a vital force—which enables you to respond with absolute submissiveness to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, through the Word of God. It’s often expressed in action by the willingness to take on the responsibility of service to others, in loyalty to the Word.

The Lord Jesus lived a practical example of what true humility is. First, He demonstrated His total submission to the will of the Father as it is written

Hebrews 10:7:
"Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is
written of me,) to do thy will, O God."

Secondly, the
Bible tells us in Philippians 2:6-9, that though He was equal with God, He didn’t count His equality with God anything to latch on to. Rather, He made Himself of no reputation, took upon Him the form of a servant, and became obedient unto death. For this reason, God exalted Him and gave Him a name that is above every name.

As believers, we’re to have the mind of Christ and emulate His humility. True humility for us is to be submissive to the Lordship of the Word of God. So you’ve got to know the Word, and let the Word guide your thoughts, words, and actions. That’s the way to be submissive to Jesus, for He is the Living Word.

Moreover, 1 Peter 5:6 enjoins us to humble ourselves under the mighty hand of God that we may be exalted in due time. Just as Jesus was exalted for doing the Father’s will, you too will be promoted from glory toglory as you live in total submission to the Word.

Joagbaje: . . . , And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name, which is above every name: (Philippians 2:8-9).

Humility is a quality of the recreated human spirit that attracts divine favour and promotion. It’s an inner ability—a vital force—which enables you to respond with absolute submissiveness to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, through the Word of God. It’s often expressed in action by the willingness to take on the responsibility of service to others, in loyalty to the Word.

The Lord Jesus lived a practical example of what true humility is. First, He demonstrated His total submission to the will of the Father as it is written

Hebrews 10:7:
"Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is
written of me,) to do thy will, O God."

Secondly, the
Bible tells us in Philippians 2:6-9, that though He was equal with God, He didn’t count His equality with God anything to latch on to. Rather, He made Himself of no reputation, took upon Him the form of a servant, and became obedient unto death. For this reason, God exalted Him and gave Him a name that is above every name.

As believers, we’re to have the mind of Christ and emulate His humility. True humility for us is to be submissive to the Lordship of the Word of God. So you’ve got to know the Word, and let the Word guide your thoughts, words, and actions. That’s the way to be submissive to Jesus, for He is the Living Word.

Moreover, 1 Peter 5:6 enjoins us to humble ourselves under the mighty hand of God that we may be exalted in due time. Just as Jesus was exalted for doing the Father’s will, you too will be promoted from glory toglory as you live in total submission to the Word.