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danwo: @^^^^^^^

"HEAVEN" in Genesis 1:1 is kosher (i.e. OK as it is with no -s)

and please dont muddle it up with the heavens in Genesis 2:4

Here is one of the trade secrets for reading the bible,

Recognise the law of order, for example "the heaven and the earth" has a different message to "the earth and the heaven"

Genesis 1:1 is stating that heaven was made first, followed by making earth.

Heaven 1.0, is exactly what it says it is. The number signifies versioning.

Heaven can have a number assigned to it, usually in increasing order and corresponding to new developments

Why do you take the "heaven" of Genesis 1:1 to be singular (without -s) if this account of creation ONLY give account of our material world (heavenS and earth)? and it didn't give account of the heaven from where our own "heavens/earth" was created FROM? Can you PROVE that the "heaven" in 1:1 with NO -s is the right translation?

I hope you haven't been studying from Dakes?

obadiah777: ADD YOUR COMMENT SIR, I WOULD LOVE TO READ YOUR OPINION ON THIS HERE ISSUE

You again Abeg, I no wan start today again o....not anymore please.

ijawkid: :-)

My bro wahala dey o....

I fit come follow u sit down??lol

Nothing to worry about bro......"In those days Israel had no king; all the people did whatever seemed right in their own eyes" Judges 21:25 NLT

In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes. ESV.

You can break bread on that verse while you crack this "SOUL" wahala.....still sitting and looking plus reading,

debosky: The bible does not tell us the earth was formless, void and dark because of lucifer's (or anyone else's sin). Anyone claiming so is speculating, and wildly so for that matter. If the bible said it became formless and void and dark, then there would be justification for speculation, but it doesn't.

Thank you but stay tunned......you can contribute where necessary. I want to deal with (for good) my brother "danwo", the disciple who the LORD Goshen360 loves today. Sit, relax and participate....

debosky: I salute in return my brother.

@ Others, please note I am not arguing that the angels and so on were NOT created in the 6 days of creation, only that the bible doesn't tell us so, neither does it tell us when the fall of angels occurred. To speculate on when that happened is, in my opinion, not far off the speculation of the gap-theorists.

If anything, I may lean towards Goshen360's argument that Gen 1:1 sets the context then God explains the physical aspect of creation (the portion he felt would be most relevant to us the readers) and left out the details of the Spiritual Creation in His wisdom.

What we should NOT do is take what is not definitive in the bible and claim it is so, no matter how strongly we might lean in a particular direction. God is as capable of creating the angels and the spiritual beings before or even after he started creating the physical heavens and the earth as he is capable of doing them simultaneously.

Oga Debosky....at least, still have like 3 hours to stay online for today. I will expose the confusion of the gap age teachers.....like my dearest brother "danwo", the disciple who the LORD Goshen360 loves. . I have asked him which "heaven(s) is Genesis 1:1 referring to.....his answer will definitely help this teaching. Stay tunned!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Ok cool, I see what you are saying. It is unnecessary to speculate the fall of the devil, but one thing we can know for sure is that the devil definitely fell before sin came into the world through Adam and Eve.
Frankly, I don't see the point of this argument or how it is helpful.[/quote]I will connect the helpfulness at the end of it all..... Stay tunned

debosky: I disagree - what creation was God referring to when he said it was good? If it is the creation He described in Genesis (the physical world) then it was good, regardless of when Lucifer fell, as sin only sullied creation because of Adam's fall, not lucifer's.

As the bible says, sin came into the world by one man - it didn't say it came into the world by Lucifer.

...and if it is NOT by Lucifer's sin, how then can the "formeless, void and darkness" in Genesis 1:2, which is a physical created earth be ascribed to Lucifer's sin by some, only for God to later call it "very good"? I will return to this statement later in our teachings. Thank you. . . the man who invented Grammar.

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Debosky....... . . the man who invented Grammar, welcome. I salute o.

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lolz......I will answer ALL your questions fully in DUE time. cool down bros,lolz

danwo: >>[/b] Exactly what is states that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

2. What "heaven(s)" is Genesis 1:1 referring to?

>> The first generation Heaven; Heaven 1.0

3. What "earth" is Genesis 1:1 also referring to?

>> There is only one earth and the earth referred to in Genesis 1.1, is the same earth in Genesis 1:3 onwards

Thank for the answer. I have told you MOST arguments and confusion comes from "some" translations, of which our diligence to study should tell us the right and consistent translative words. Now, some translates the "HEAVEN" in Genesis 1:1 as PLURAL with -s, while some translates it without -s. Which do you think it's right?

Two, Which one is Heaven 1.0? I no understand that kind terminology o abeg. Please be more specific. Which heaven is Genesis 1:1 referring to? Am good with one "earth" answer.

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danwo: @Goshen360

When the difference between earth and world is recognised

the coffee would have been smelt

Think outside the box, man!

God created an Adam world; a world for human beings on Earth.

My mouth laughs when anti-Gap theorists claim that God created things that are seen and physical only

God in that six days of creation created both seen and unseen things, both physical and unphysical things

This is where the world comes in. God created an Adam world with no sin

The earth is just a formal name of the world which we live on

That world is everything on earth, seen and unseen and created by God.

"Welcome to my world" - that is a familiar phrase isnt it?

With a helping hand from the serpent, Man has since perverted that world

The earth is the Lord's and its fullnes thereof though the devil currently is the prince of this world

The world is now plagued with a degrading way of life, abuse of money, power show, unethical human beings etc

"Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world,
but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think.
Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect."
- Romans 12:2 NLT

The Gap Theory poses no danger, once you know how far from the edge of the cliff to go

It does not threaten or question the six days of creation narrated from Genesis 1:3 onwards

The gap theory is not only on the basis of Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 alone.

There are other scriptures hinting the Gap theory

The player saves the trump card until end, saves the best, for last.

Bottom line once the Greek to English translations, Hebrew to English translations are properly researched

Once the etymology of the certain Hebrew and Greek words used around this subject and related subjects are studied

then it will be relaised that there is no cause for panic

The gap theory complements the six days creation without any detraction

"Bring the whole tithe in to the storehouse . . ."
- Malachi 3:10

from the above verse, what actually was a storehouse was startling or shocking revelation for some die-hard tithe fanatics.

Okay my brother,

The first thing first, I know and see where the issue is coming from. We will soon get there......permit me some little more time.

1. What do you understand of the scripture for Genesis 1:1?

2. What "heaven(s)" is Genesis 1:1 referring to?

3. What "earth" is Genesis 1:1 also referring to?

plappville: Le problème, c'est parce que, chrétiens d'aujourd'hui sont trop paresseux pour étudier la Bible, je trouve ça domage !!!!

Thank you my sister. It is given unto us to know the truth of the kingdom we are now translated into.

Am sitting down to look and read........no comment!

@ danwo and other gap/pre-adamic teachers,

First @ danwo, I will come back to address your question because I am beginning to see we are dragging this topic "out of context"

Second, @ danwo and other gap/pre-adamic teachers, On what basis of scripture is the Gap/pre-adamic world taught? If it is on the basis of Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 (which I believe it is), then let us stay within the context AND other bible verse being used to support Genesis 1:1-2. This will help us clearer on this subject rather than going in circle.....let's have bible-to-bible proving of what we are teaching.

I have seen the where the confusion lies and God is not the author of confusion. If we can focus on the text that generates the confusion and arguments, then we can solve the problem of weather is gap/pre-adamic world or not, as we can prove all things. The problem is, some of the controversy concerning the subject of Creation centers on the translation and grammatical import of Genesis 1:1. Scholars argue, “Is Genesis 1:1 in the absolute state (i.e., an independent clause) or in the construct state (i.e., a dependent clause)?” Even Hebrew scholars are unable to agree BUT we can prove this truth, using scriptures to explain scripture.

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[size=15pt]Oui!.....Qui est ce faux docteur? Dîme, (pré-droit et de la loi) a été clairement SUPPRIME. Allez vous asseoir et étudier votre Bible ..... Hébreux 7:1 à fin[/size]

danwo, mon frère,

Weekends are always busy for me. Please permit me. I should answer according on Monday. Thanks.

@ danwo, mon cher frère

You are missing the point here my brother. What you and other brothers are doing is that, you are trying to use science or scientific knowledge to interpret or approve the bible BUT what you end up doing is disapprove the bible with scientific knowledge or whatever extra-biblical knowledge you may have which I "might" not. This is contrary to the concept of biblical interpretation, (permit me to say).

Now, here is the point am making!

The confusion in Genesis 1:1-2 is similar to Chapter 1 and 2 where it records two creation account. Some confuse chapter 2 as a different creation account different from that chapter 1. Unknown to them, they can't see that they simply compliments each other.

Now, this is the point am making (without using extra-biblical source or any scientific proof), Genesis 1:1 is NOT in a "definite" state as in, it doesn't mean a finished and done deal creation of heaven and earth but it is an opening statement in which other verses tells how (process) the "heavens and earth" of Genesis 1:1 was accomplished. How did I come to this conclusion?

1. If it was a completed and already created "earth and heavens", God will NOT come back to call the firmament which was created/made from waters, HEAVEN.

2. The same way, God will NOT come back and name the dry land EARTH should it have been already created in Genesis 1:1

3. The Gap theory will NOT end up in anything other than RE-CREATION instead of what we see all over that it wasn't "RE-CREATION but "CREATED, MADE and FORMED"

4. The earth with the Gap theory will also end up saying (by assumption, not scripture interpreting scriptures) that, the earth "BECAME" formless and void BUT God Himself said in Job 38 that He creadted the darkness and the condition of the earth that way.

5. The book of Jeremiah says, it (earth) "WAS" not "BECAME" void/formeless.

6. The Gap theory will also end up saying that Genesis itself did NOT account for the ORIGINAL CRAETION should there be gap and a pre-adamic world before this creation account.

Who then are we supposed to beleive? The word of God or extra-biblical account?

ayobase: I wanna hear ur take on this matter.

This is the clear reason why "some" Christians are deeply deceived.......BECAUSE THEY DON'T STUDY OUR MASTER/LORD'S WORD.

Bonjour mes chers amis,

@ SNCOQ3, Delafruita, Joagbaje and danwo

My other Two questions to the "gap" theory teachers:

1. About the dinosaurs, are you guys insinuating that these dinosaurs were not destroyed during the flood of Noah?

2. If you say "gap" existed between the first two verse of scriptures and there was a pre-adamic world, will you then agree or mean that Genesis itself does not account for the beginning of the creation?

I just woke up and will go through your other comments before these questions of mine. Thank you.

The sabbath was not given by God in respect to worship. You can worship God any day, anytime. There is no where the NT commands Christians to observe the sabbath in regards to worshiping God. Those who follow Saturday for Sabbath are following Judaism. In fact, the NT Church come together on the first day of the week, which is Sunday. However, If you worship God on Saturday or Sunday or Monday or Friday.....it doesn't count because we are not bound by law of a certain worship day in the NT.

J'espère que c'est assez clair

SNCOQ3: @Goshen360, so where do dinasaurs fit in?

If the bible doesn't say anything about it, I'm sorry, I don't have answer to it.

Ne comprenez-vous?

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Merci, au revoir

obadiah777: you err brother Goshen you err. so if i made 1 million sheeps male and female. how else will i explain it in the future ? i will say ' i made them male and female'
simple enough right ? what was you expecting him to say 'i made them males and females' ?


the 'THEM' in the statement has covered all the number of people made be it a million or 20 million.

Now I see your "quake" understanding.....you better no become English teacher or doctor, because na "quakism" you go dey practice.....The "THEM is clearly explained in context - MALE and FEMALE are the "THEM".

Merci, bonne journée

obadiah777: you err brother Goshen you err. so if i made 1 million sheeps male and female. how else will i explain it in the future ? i will say ' i made them male and female'
simple enough right ? what was you expecting him to say 'i made them males and females' ?

Dude....there is no plural words like sheep but there is plural for words like man...mEn; male...maleS; women...womEn; female...femaleS.

mon ami, vous me comprenez?

obadiah777: How about this ? if you think otherwise, enlighten us. i am always willing to learn. show us what you got

You have messed up too far, e be like now the thing you took before don dey clear for your eyes However, let me ask my second kweshion now......Since you believed Jesus was in the beginning with the father, how will you explain the words of Jesus when he said,

New International Version (©1984)
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'

New Living Translation (©2007)
"Haven't you read the Scriptures?" Jesus replied. "They record that from the beginning 'God made them male and female

....the bolded are ALL singular, not plural or many. This is Jesus referencing the book of Genesis and you agree he was also in the beginning of creation.

Matthew 19:4

BUT you said they weren't created MANY, that Adam is not one man but MANY people. How do you reconcile your statement with that of Jesus' statement?

obadiah777: WHATS THE POINT TO ALL THIS ? you are splitting hairs Brother. you are splitting hairs

The point is, you said Jesus and ANGELS created the world and I want you to show that from the scriptures to everyone reading this thread so they can see the way you are re-writing the bible I haven't even asked my second kweshion yet.

obadiah777: GENESIS 1 VS 26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness

And who are the "US" in that verse......prove it with scriptures, don't just tell us it was God and ANGELS.

obadiah777: COLOSSIANS 1 CHPT 15 TO 18 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.


HEBREWS 1 VS 2 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

So where and how does these two scriptures show that Jesus and ANGELS created the WORLD? Can you highlight the part says ANGELS and JESUS created the world in "RED" from those scriptures you quoted so we can see it clearly?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Omo no time o! opportunity no dey come twice o! Abi you get two sisters make we settle matter? [/quote]Maybe you need to quote one or two scriptures to tie my hands then I will see what I can do about it - maybe I will slide-line brother Ihedinobi (please make it secret o, no let brother Ihedinobi hear about it say I wan slide-line him o, abeg you o) You know say na so "some" inlaws and omo onile dey do. Abi no be so

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, @Goshen, About the bolded, I fit consider o. As my brother don turn down the request. [/quote]Which offer did he turn down naw? I can't see him turning down the offer abi I no catch the revelation ni? Abi Mr. Anony wan play sharp-man here

stagger: Which bible? the one your father wrote or the one you wrote?

just passing bye o.