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obadiah777: of course Jesus and the angels created the world.

Before we go further again.....Can you give us one or two scripures showing that Jesus and "ANGELS" created the world. Then I continue my question that will take us back to the topic.

Ihedinobi: This is a really good question. It decides the context of the matter under discussion. Without it, arguments run amock and false interpretations become easy to adopt. I hope nobody continues to pay questions like this no mind. Please appreciate that it is the safeguard for all arguments and discussions concerning the Bible.

In this instance, I think that knowing how God carried out the first Creation will clue us into His current doings with respect to the New Creation. All of us Christians are the New Creation. If we are, then to understand what God's Work in us is, it may be necessary to understand His Ways with creating.

This means that any interpretation on this issue will impact on our submission to the Hand of the Spirit of God as He makes us into the Image of Christ from glory to glory. A wrong interpretation then would throw a spanner in His Work in us and prevent us from attaining unto all that has been intended for us in Christ.

Goshen360: Bros, I don't know why you guys are laughing over this issue. We are to defend/contend for our faith by defending/contending for the holy text. Apostle Paul in his epistles referenced Gen. 1:2-3 and you guys may not see anything in it but today is not the time I will share the Gospel in Genesis 1:2-3. There is Gospel is in those 2 verses and if you understand it, when someone tells you there is Gap therein and also calls it pre-adamic age, then the holy anger will arise you. Take time to meditate on Genesis 1:1-5, you will understand manifold Gospel therein.

My dear brother Ihedinobi,

Here you gladden my heart since you have decided to let the cat out of the bag. At last someone understands why I can contend strongly against "gap theory and pre-adamic age" false teaching. I feel like I should give you my sister to marry with the way have highlighted the Gospel buried in the creation account. See, people (Christians who claim to study the word) don't see the messages buried in Genesis creation account. I encourage every believer to do a solid study on Genesis one, it will surprise you what the Spirit of God will unfold to you in the light of what I highlighted in brother Ihedinobi's comment above.

obadiah777: you know what your problem is Goshen ? you have been entangled in chains of darkness. you cant see no more. you have been blinded. you will probably stay this way till christ returns

jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

romans 11 vs 7[b]What then? Israel has not obtained that which it seeks for; but the election has obtained it, and the rest were blinded[/b]

Goshen got spiritual astigmatism nigga blind as a bat.

Okay Okay......am blinded right?

Let me give you a final knock out with this kweshion. I will ask just two questions, one after the other, okay.

1. Do you believe Jesus (The Word, Living Word) was in the beginning with the Father according to John 1:1?

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You have quoted my response to question one.....I didn't say it was light. I said, "SOME" people believe it was light, Gen. 1:3 (perhaps the physical thing) but I believe it was WATER, Gen. 1:2.

On Goshen360's family secret, I have also answered that being privileged to be the first MALE child of my father, I have the privilege of knowing my "immediate" (not my extended) family's secret.

Mee234: Is clear that this guy is misled. It is a pity that people like this will be claming to know the truth

This is the most pathetic side of it all....claiming to know and teach the truth.

Delafruita: very funny

What's funny....shey na lie I talk? If na lie I talk, then counter my teachings and explanation No be your fault, na because I changed my mind from collecting my tithe before explaining the verse

danwo: #1. What did God first create?

God created water first Genesis 1:2. Some say the first thing created was light, Gen. 1:3 but I believe water came before light because the initial earth was originally created in watery form.

danwo: #2. On which day did He create your answer in #1 above?

It will fall within day one

danwo: #3. Since you like scripture validation, back up your answer in #1 above with scripture.

I have done that in (1) above.

danwo: #4. Do you know all the family secrets?

What family you talking about? My immediate earth family or heavenly or what? I don't understand the family you talking about. kindly clarify please.

danwo: #4b. Has your earthly daddy confide in you all the Goshen360 family secrets yet?

For my immediate family, I happen to be the first make child of my father so the answer is YES!

obadiah777: brother you err. you err. you need to untangle and disengage yourself from that roman catholic dogma. approach the bible like a child with great enthusiasm and an open mind. at the same time try to infuse reality into it. how in 6000 years did 2 people become 7 billion ? brother ? there is nothing mythical or mystical about the bible. anything that sounds extraordinarily bogus ? its because there is a deeper meaning to it. no snake spoke to eve, adam and eve did not populate this whole world as individuals, [size=20pt]mary did not have a child magically get into her stomach without sleeping with joseph, etc etc etc etc[/size]

Seriously Is this how you handle the word of truth?

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14

What is the sign? It is a virgin that shall be with a child. A virgin conceive with a child without a natural intimate with a man is the sign. How will it happen? The answer is below:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Luke 1:34-35
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? Kjv

"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?" NIV

verse 35,

The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (niv)

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

obadiah777: Brother Goshen, i think you fall under this category of people

2 corinthians 4 vs 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

You are the one to check yourself bro. God help you even as you help yourself STUDY the truth.

@ Ihedinobi,

Thank you....you have given Obadiah777 the best advice. On this note, I rest my case. I feel am wasting my precious time with him because he had already preconceived idea which is contrary to scriptural and the holy text and doesn't want to change or drop it.

oiseworld: but it would be wrong to think this people have pictures of their neibours,household or enermies in mind while saying those prayers. soo that justifies it.they don't mean physical enermies.

If they don't mean phsyical enemies, so can the devil (spirit) die then or will demons die?

obadiah777: Bruh, how many times i gotta tell ya to study thoroughly in a KJV bible Genesis chapter 1 and 2. i only use verses when making poignant points. however this is a continuous story of creation. i would have to quote so many verses and align them beside each other. TEDIOUS. what you got against studying Genesis 1 AND 2 ?

Dude, I know what's in Genesis 1 and 2 and that is why the things you are saying is out of context to me and many others. Since you know it, I think it wont be too hard for you to show us that Adam is NOT a single man and that God created MANY people other than Adam in Genesis. Why is too hard for you. Dude, it's time for cookies IF you can't explain ALL these things you are talking about FROM the scriptures.

danwo: ^^^^

Or affect and bring down the price of garri sef for that matter ROTFL

Bros, I don't know why you guys are laughing over this issue. We are to defend/contend for our faith by defending/contending for the holy text. Apostle Paul in his epistles referenced Gen. 1:2-3 and you guys may not see anything in it but today is not the time I will share the Gospel in Genesis 1:2-3. There is Gospel is in those 2 verses and if you understand it, when someone tells you there is Gap therein and also calls it pre-adamic age, then the holy anger will arise you. Take time to meditate on Genesis 1:1-5, you will understand manifold Gospel therein.

obadiah777: LOL you never understood the scriptures the way it really is. you been peddling that church doctrine since you been on NL.

Hmmmmm, I laugh in "tongues". I don't need to boast of the stuff am made of. The evidence is there between you and me as clearly seen on this thread.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, the guy reminds me so much of buzugee. Where buzugee dey sef?[/quote]No be my mouth you go hear am ooo

obadiah777: its loaded because there were other women created as part of Adam. but without knowledge of the word of God. Adam found them unsuitable because he wanted a woman on his intelligence level with knowledge of the word. So the lord created a woman just like him that will be suitable for him. This woman being taken from his rib is symbolism that she has the same intelligence and knowledge of the word as him. so the point is if the other women created are called Adam, and the intelligent woman is Eve, then technically, Eve did not create every one in the world. I am sure the other women had children too.

Can you show us ALL the above from the scriptures....use scriptures please! You seems to be using "head knowledge" here.

Image123: how does a pre-adamic era or gap or gape affect Jesus or anyone?

Egbon, you are missing the point. The point is Genesis, with Gap theory/pre-adamic age which the scripture itself and even Jesus never made any reference to in all His reference to Genesis is a distortion to creation account and God's word. And if the scriptures says God created the heavens - sky/outer space and the earth in 6 days, why should people say there is gap in between 6 days?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You are twisting the bible in a very wrong way.

Describing Edom as a people does not in anyway take away from the fact that Edom(Esau) was a singular person while he was alive, same with Adam and Pharez and Noah and Abraham e.t.c.[/quote]It's like we should STOP wasting our precious time with Obadiah777, he accused me of following pastor's teaching but he himself doesn't even understand scriptures AT ALL. He is just going in circles.

Abeg leave ALL this going in circles.....we are dealing with Adam NOT being a single man BUT you said he is many people and God didn't create only Adam in Genesis but many people. You also said,

obadiah777: MEANT TO SAY, EVE IS THE MOTHER OF THE EARTH.

and I asked,

Goshen360: Good, if Eve is the mother of the earth......will that mean it is from her that ALL mankind came from?

These are issues you need to explain and SHOW us from scriptures that it's NOT ONLY Adam God created in Genesis but many people and how will Eve, being mother of the earth will mean ALL mankind came from her.

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Explain y'self naw.....with scriptures o. we dey listen

obadiah777: MEANT TO SAY, EVE IS THE MOTHER OF THE EARTH.

Good, if Eve is the mother of the earth......will that mean it is from her that ALL mankind came from?

oiseworld: nobody prays for the death of his or her human enermies, something makes every human behave the way they do;thats the spirit the war like prayers are ment for.
eph 6;12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

spirit do NOT "fall and die", they are "cast out" and it will therefore mean the possessed person will have to be involved. Show me anywhere in scriptures where spirits (evil) are prayed to die rather than being cast out from their victims?

Where is Joagbaje to answer my kweshions?

obadiah777: Esau is a nation of people not a man. and the generations of esau includes the Amalek which are also a sub-group of people. etc etc. These are all groupings of people made to play out like a story. the earth is the mother. [size=50pt]the earth is Eve.[/size] brother the Bible aint what you think it is. trust me.

SOMEBODY GIVE THE LORD PRAISE IN THE HOUSE

@ Obadiah777,


You are simply reading INTO God's word. Check ALL of these translations on Genesis 5:1

New International Version (©1984)
This is the written account of Adam's line. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.

New Living Translation (©2007)
This is the written account of the descendants of Adam. When God created human beings, he made them to be like himself.

English Standard Version (©2001)
This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
This is the written account of Adam and his descendants. When God created humans, he made them in the likeness of God.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

American King James Version
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

American Standard Version
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Douay-Rheims Bible
This is the book of the generation of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him to the likeness of God.

Darby Bible Translation
This is the book of Adam's generations. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him.

English Revised Version
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Webster's Bible Translation
This is the book of the generations of Adam: In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him:

World English Bible
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him in God's likeness.

Young's Literal Translation
This is an account of the births of Adam: In the day of God's preparing man, in the likeness of God He hath made him;

[size=15pt]DO YOU READ ANYWHERE WHERE IT SAYS, "In the day that God created MEN?[/size]

So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

In addition to the above, permit me to add this. There is a use of acronym "COMB" for understanding God's word also. You may find it interesting.

C - Context. Out of context study means pretext, reading into God's word to mean or say otherwise the text.

O - Other (related) Scriptures. No one scripture is of its own or private interpretation

M - Meaning of words i.e, Word Study. Takes you deeper into the revelation of the word.

B - Background. Gives you insight into the purpose or what the text intended to solve.

As Jesus went on from there, [size=20pt]two blind men followed him[/size], calling out, "Have mercy on us, Son of David!" Matthew 9:27

How in the world can the blind follow someone they can't see? The Holy Spirit in the wisdom of God paints a picture of a BLIND generation following Jesus blindly. I was young and now am old, I have NEVER NEVER read in the NT Church where it was said that Christians should pray "fall and die" prayers to their physical or human enemies. It is an exercise in futility and highest order of delusion.

[size=15pt]@ OP,[/size]

Go through this thread, Here and you have the answers to your questions, it was intensively discussed there. And again, next time, kindly search this forum to see if your topic had been intensively discussed before starting the thread. Thank you.

Isaiah 45:18

"For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else"

not in vain. Since the word here for “in vain” is the Hebrew tohu, this verse has been made the main proof text (actually pretext) for the so-called “gap theory,” which attempts to add billions of years of the history of the earth and its inhabitants in a supposed gap between the first two verses of Genesis. Genesis 1:2 says that “the earth was without form”—that is, tohu—so the argument is that since Isaiah says God did not “create” the earth tohu, it must have “become” tohu in a great cataclysm that climaxed and terminated the geological ages.

The verse in Jeremiah 4:23-26 quoted by Joagbaje CLEARLY says, the earth didn't "BECOME or BECAME" tohu, it says it "WAS". Hence, the argument for weather the earth "became" or "was" is given a clear structure from Jeremiah 4:23. The earth DID NOT "became" void and formeless, that is the way it was INITIALLY created as God himself gave the answers when He was discussing CREATION with Job.

45:18 to be inhabited. The thrust of this verse is that God had a definite "purpose" for the earth. He created, established, made, and formed it as a habitation for man. When initially called into existence by God, it "WAS" (not became) “unformed and empty,” as stated in Genesis 1:2, but God did not intend to stop there. He took six days to prepare it for man in order to set a pattern for man’s work week; the earth was not “perfect,” in the sense of being “finished,” until God said so, at the end of the six days (Genesis 2:1-3).

Joagbaje: Our present solar system and social system ,Yes.that's what is generally believed. But in reality. It is a [size=20pt]re creation.[/size]

Re creation

Then question,

1. How then do you explain when God himself said He created the earth (in its initial state) with such darkness and condition having in mind that darkness in the context of Gen. 1:2 doesn't refer to judgment.

2. Can you show us from ALL OVER the scripture where the earth was RE-CREATED instead of CREATED?....following your use of words and gap theory, they will always end up saying or interpreting RE-CREATED rather than CREATED.

3. If the earth was created in 6 days, then where is the GAP between 6 days?

4. If the earth had become into the chaotic state - became formless and void with darkness, why don't God just and simply deal with the judgment but rather saying "let there be light" in Gen. 1:3 in contrast to just dealing with the chaotic state of the earth?

Image123: context, really? How do these affect the browsing tarriff or anything for that matter?

Perphaps, this might answer your question...

“And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself” (Luke 24:27).

@ Joagbaje,

Question,

1. Was the earth created in 6 days or not?