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Ken4Christ:
It is an eternal tradition. The 10% is even not enough. We ought to give more. The coming of Jesus is near. If there is any time the gospel needs funding, it is now. Don't be stingy. Pay your tithe. You can't give to God and lose out. I assure you. Try it. You will come back with testimonies.

It's an eternal tradition but yet the Apostles or Christ omitted it in scripture right?
Btw, everything a man gives is always a certain percentage of his income. The new testament does specifically mention 10% but cheerful and giving according to your measures of grace. Do not go beyond what's written FOR THE NEW TESTAMENT believers

Ken4Christ:
The New Testament Saints is also a Jew by faith. We are the faith seed of Abraham.

Romans 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

And what if I say, Saints which you called the faith seed of Abraham HAVE ALSO PAID TITHE IN OR THROUGH ABRAHAM when he met Melchizedek and as a result aRe no longer required pay tithe....will you agree?

Ken4Christ:
I have opened three different threads on this subject. Go and refute my claims on those threads. I am not an attention seeker. I have a job and I am doing fine. I have the moral right to stand in the defence of the truth.

If you like open 10 tithe threads, the one you opened and making reckless unscriptural statement, you're exposed and shamed out of your own thread. Hopefully the same way you'll or might be shamed out of a debate if you ever get one.

Y'all can smile all day long. I'll come and expose y'all when I have the time to write extensively and do justice to this offering topic too and I'll leave the rest to the audience to judge for themselves.

christemmbassey:
OMG! I thought I have heard all the twists that these guys had to support this fraud.
SMH, these guys are beyond redemption.

Did you read yet what he said Paul made a mistake in Hebrews 7?

I thought I have seen it all in my lifetime, here comes another tithe comedy thread.

Dammmm, these tithe yahoos will never seize to surprise us.

Okay, aiit!

If you like, OP, create 10 tithe thread....we're here for your likes. Make I sleep first and come dismantle every you wrote in the op up there....

Ken4Christ:
So, because he is an Apostle, he cannot make mistakes. There is a difference between a revelation he got from the Holy Spirit and trying to analyze what was already written. Apostle Paul had the greatest revelation concerning what Jesus did for us but on his comment concerning the tithe Abraham paid, I don't agree with him.

My friend shut up and leave your thread in shame. What are you saying and kept on saying? All in the bid for tithe yahoos? So he made mistakes BY THE INSPIRATION OF GOD. ...to pen down what constitutes scriptures today? So what he analyzed wasn't by the REVELATION OR INSPIRATION FROM THE SPIRIT? And who are you not to agree? Just as you can go ahead and write your own scriptures then, the same way you Re writing the scriptures now. This is the highest insult to the inspiration of scriptures in your pride.

Peacefullove:
Goshen360!!!! see your fellow brethren.

and wetin paul say una should do to people wey no agree with wetin Im write ?

Me don tire ooo...After now, when I call them by their names some folks will say I'm demon possessed n calling fellow Christian name because we don't agree but what else should a person who insult the Spirit of inspiration of scriptures be called if not tithe yahoos?

Ken4Christ:
I think you are not honest enough to admit my submission. I made a point and backed it up with Scriptures. Please explain the Scripture to me if you know better. How can Abraham pay tithe from the Spoils he vowed not to collect? Please answer this question. If you can, I will admit I am in error.

Because they ain't his income as your people peddle. The man Abraham said the spoils doesn't belong to him, and returned the rest to the rightful owners. How else can you interpret that? Not that you explained backing up with scriptures....you twisted scriptures so it will say what you wanted to say. Hebrews CONFIRMED what Genesis said but again, you called the revelation of the Holy Spirit to Paul a lie or mistake, again just because Hebrews didn't agree with you on what you trying to make Genesis say...

petra1:
Let's not twist it sir. What ever we give in service of God or to God is an offering even a sacrifice . The principle remain constant

Philippians 4:18 (ESV)
I have received full payment, and more. I am well supplied, having received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent, a fragrant offering, a sacrifice acceptable and pleasing to God.

Am I the only one seeing through manipulation in scripture quoted above?

judedwriter:
Phi 4:15

Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

4:16

For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.

4:17

Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.

4:18

But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

4:19

But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

And those are called OFFERINGS?

petra1:
The spoil were all the income and profit of the war as that time . That’s only an incidence of Abraham tithing . And if a man could deligenr to tithe of spoil of war you can imagine what he does as a lifestyle

You people never seize to surprise anyone because you want to defend tithe....now, ask felixomor if he agrees with you here that the spoils of war were Abraham income and profit before I expose both of you together.

hisgrace090:
Offering is biblically acceptable.

Show us scriptures....do you know what offerings mean?

felixomor:
Shut up

Ok....whatever!

We're here for you guys

felixomor:
I pity your life.
If my tithe makes you so bitter that u can be so foul mouthed at me without provocation on a thread thats not even yours,
Then you must be demon possessed.

May God have mercy on your soul.

Why can't I say what I wanna say on people like you or the op thread when y'all promoting tithe yahoos? Do I need your permission to contribute to any thread? And who do you think you are to use a threat line on me? You better watch your mouth? Am I your baby? And btw, how does a demon possess a believer that the Spirit of God indwells?

MuttleyLaff:
My brother, why are you insulting my intelligence like this now?
Ah-ha, what you take me for?

There is nothing confusing in tithe or tenth, or 1/10 or 10% or possibly 0.1 ke

I am looking for where and when Jacob paid tithe or tenth, or 1/10 or 10% or possibly 0.1
plus who Jacob paid tithe or tenth, or 1/10 or 10% or possibly 0.1 to

No naw, you know the tithe or tenth or better still the tenths or tithes (plural) that Jacob paid is ETERNAL PRINCIPLES but it's not recorded when and who he paid it to but the plural ones indicating more than one time that Abraham paid was recorded being paid to Melchizedek.....

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felixomor:
Wow.
Great Exposition

Trust olodo tithe yahoos like you to jump and cheer cheap "great" exposition like the op....not so fast boy....

Ken4Christ:
Well, that was Apostle Paul’s analysis of the transaction that took place. I believe in the revelation shared by Apostle Paul but he is a man who also can make mistakes. Read the entire passage in Genesis chapter 14 and you will see that Abraham vowed he won't have anything to do with the spoils.

Even at then, Daddy Freeze used it as an example to prove that Abraham never gave tithe of what belonged to him and neither did any Saints before the Law. But Jacob his grandson vowed to give God a tenth of all that God will bless him with. Where did Jacob learn the culture of tithe if not from his father.

I thought I've seen it all in my lifetime but alas, I'm wrong! Tithe yahoos saying Paul, the Apostle made a mistake. More like saying he made a MISTAKE BY THE INSPIRATION OF GOD OR OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Good Gracious!

BERNIMOORE:
this issue of tithe was won ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT WE DIDNT AGREE ON ''SPEAKING IN TONGUE'' and i will not, so what's about it is that the social media allows everyone to his opinion but we should not be over rigtheous

Sure, no wahala....these tithe yahoos ain't giving up, so we shouldn't give up too....

BERNIMOORE:
Goshen360 6 yrs ago, you remember the tithe thread we had with joeagbaje wordtalk snowwy etc, till page 40

I sure do remember. What about it?

petra1:
Those who fight tithes and offering are only fighting their conscience to absolve it of guilt for lack of discipline generosity and accountability

Go and sit down somewhere, I have fought tithe but I'm a giver by grace of God and I'm a practical example of what Oyedepo said in that video even though he never mentioned tithe but giving according to your grace or proportion of your blessings and I have been blessed not tithing but giving to people.

Tithe doctrine is false doctrine to the church and body of Christ.

Peacefullove:
Goshhh! very simple, if tithe was what he meant here KINDLY show me a record of where he collects tithe ?

No, it's eternal principles but never recorded....that he collected it....

I personally don't see that video as though a "reaction" to tithe and tithing doctrine in that short video clip.

petra1:
Christian giving are not based on the law . It’s based on principles revealed in the Bible

Tithe and offering giving are principles in worshiping God.



Abraham didn’t tithe once . We only had that particular incidence on record . If he could tithe from war booty how much more all his possession as practice



tithes and offering were practiced before mosaic law . Mosaic law was only a reminder of existing principle.



How



What is the question



Read your Bible . Firstly an average pastor has a job is a giver and a tither and he doesn’t depend on church for support . Secondly church money does not belong to the pastor . Only a handful of pastors Who may be adviced to resign from secular job do get allowance like any other church worker and that is paralle to the Bible days . Paul made it clear . That they can receive support and welfare . Support of the Old Testament came from tithes

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Can people be intelligent enough to spot the huge CONTRADICTIONS in the above and with everything you've been saying in this thread?

Lies are never consistent. You have to lie another lie to cover up a previous lie and it's unfortunate men like you hold the pulpit....smh!

petra1:
Tithe will always be tithe. Offerings will always be offering

When people like you try to defend false doctrine such as tithe, there will always be statement of error like the above you just said.

Now, if tithe is tithe, why do you now start a thread to tell us the difference between one tithe and another?

2. On your own other " offering" thread, you're exposed on offerings and what it consistently mean from scriptures just like tithe which you agreed they both go hand in hand. So did Abraham also practiced offering in monetary form?

Gombs:
They will Come now and say it's collections and not offerings because malachi was talking about burnt offering

You don't have to be funny or sarcastic...just proof with consistent scriptures that the OFFERINGS mentioned in Malachi 3vs8 is talking about something else the Jewish people don't understand or had not been commanded in the past. You act like that word is foreign to the Jewish people and just jump into that verse?

[s]You gonna learn something in this thread my friend [/s]

petra1:
Malachi 3:8
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me.
But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee?
In tithes and offerings.

Why is there so much attack on the tithe . What about giving offerings? . God didn't say they robbed him in tithes only but also in the offering.

If the anti tithers whom the enemy is trying to use are only against tithes but not against giving offering and other tenets mentioned in the law. It's pure hypocrisy . Offering was under the law . Prayer was under the law. Alms giving was under the law. Honoring your father and mother was under the law .
The more he singles out just the tithe the more Christians will tithe because it's very obvious there's something so special about the tithe .

So if you say it's better to give the money as alms to the poor . That was still under the law. We give tithe and offerings and alms etc not because the law say so . They are principles in the kingdom of God ever before the law came .

Good you brought this up....let the Giants go head to head in this thread....I mean, let's go into the word.

The scripture NEVER called what people donate or contribute or give during worship service "OFFERINGS" in disguise to deceive the people of God.

What OFFERINGS mean in the bible UP TO MALACHI isn't donations in the religious gatherings, that's common sense because there wasn't church then. What OFFERINGS meant up to malachi 3 are sin offerings, guilt offerings etc...

And to shoot yourself in the leg, Hebrews clearly nullified offerings too just as he nullified tithes. We can go into the word and debate this....

ichuka:
True bro
Most don't know the difference between the Old and the New,Between Grace and Law(what has been accomplish and how to stand on the ground of Victory).why? They don't study the word objectively.
And some MOGs ant helping issues.
Just pm me when u are about to come.
Dboy has my contacts though we haven't met.

I sure will definitely PM you. We have a fight and war within the body of Christ, it's not a war with guns and a munitions, it's a spiritual war and a war between darkness and light.....don't forget Paul warns after his departure, evil men will crept into the church....etc. Let's continue the fight!

Omooba77:
Ok sir. Please read Hebrew 7:1-9.
We are not talking about denomination sir

I have done a thread and careful look, verse by verse in Hebrew 7 in the past. What's your point sir....?

First, Christ said, "You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them" (though they are required by the law of Moses). author=Omooba77 post=62259039]This is my own summation on Tithe; even as kid we were taught in Anglican church to pay tithe. They always collect it weekly and every working class and adults have tithe cards. We younger one learnt from this act. Even as a student I used to pay.
Tithe is a show of appreciation to God.
If you pay you have nothing to loose; but if you pay so much to gain......
And my take away....Please dont insult men of God and stop mudding Christianity...
If you dont want to pay, find a church where paying tithe is not mandated...
Leave God to judge everyone that steal in His name.
God bless.

Study TO SHOW YOURSELF unto God....NOT following human tradition.

I was once a rccg member like u until I learned scriptures by myself. Go and do same n you will b shocked what the Spirit will teach you

ichuka:
Hi bro,
Maybe you have to break it down for the viewer mainly the meaning of offering,and what Christains are surprise to "give in thanks giving"

Thanks brother.....you are one of those I should have met whenever I visit the motherland but I guess I should when I come home next.

Back to your quest.

Our brothers and sisters don't understand what offerings means....they "think" it's what the churches call it today as in giving money or donations during worship.... NO, IT IS NOT.....offering is what is meant in OLD TESTAMENT.....burnt offerings etc.....so Hebrews 10 vs 8 says,

First, Christ said, "You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin, nor were you pleased with them" (though they are required by the law of Moses).

So, when He was talking about offerings in Malachi....tithe and OFFERINGS.....he's not introducting anything NEW, he's talking about what he already commanded ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES.