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NnaNna4:
Tithe and Offerings go together, so if there is offering in new testament, tithing is equally biblical for both old and new testament believers.

And who told you OFFERINGS in the new testament? Do you know what offerings mean? Show us scriptures where offerings is in the new testament.

christemmbassey:
He is not misleading anyone. why do you always persecute your saviour and worship your tormentors? What Freeze said few weeks ago is what people like Pastorkun, Drummerboy/WinsomeX, Goshen360, Nobody, christemmbassey and thousand others have been saying on Nairaland for many years now.
If you pay tithe , you are a sinner and if you collect tithe, you are a THIEF. ask pastor Chris Ojibani.

Thanks man of God

I foresee tu face getting into politics and running for office in future. Nice music though.

felixomor:
Thou shalt not lie.
Stop trying to justify your lie.
You have never been a teacher.

Period

Abeg go siddon, na who wan dey here dey help you add pages to your thread. My works and teachings do live after me. Go and sit somewhere joor

felixomor:
You dont teach nobody.

My comments and contributions here on your thread is teaching your audience you're trying to scam. They should not fall for your okie doke.....

Many reasons we can come up with but one that readily comes to mind is, what are these people chanting holy ghost fire going to do better when they're being instructed by their so called papa, daddy G.O, etc?

In other words, these their religious leaders WHO DO NOT KNOW OR ARE FOLLOWING TRADITIONS OF MEN and still passing down traditions to members. And when you try to tell or teach these members from scriptures what they practice is wrong, they call you out and label you as if you're the bad one.

So what I have seen under heaven is, a generation who believe in what their pastor, papa, daddy G.O etc says more than sound doctrine. A generation who have invested so much in their own lies and ideology to the point that even when you put a higher truth to their face from scriptures, they're unwilling to bend their stand because it will make a fool of their investments.

Back to the topic,

There's no basis for such holy ghost fire chanting in the new testament. It's foreign to the Apostles' creed, doctrine and to the Apostolic church. I don't know where this generation picked it up from.

petra1:
This must be the voice of a tithe eater jatijati

I don't teach tithe or tithing to Christians neither do I pay it so the point of eating it is out of place. I'm a living testimony of many who don't tithe but gives AND I'M BLESSED WITHOUT TITHING.

What else do you have to practically preach to a man or millions of me out there. Y'all had made mountain out of false doctrine.

felixomor:
Abraham paid tithes.
Read Genesis 14

petra1:
Jacob paid tithes also .

plainbibletruth:
How come those advocating TITHING have NEVER been able to show us anywhere in the life of the CHURCH in the New Testament where the Christian was INSTRUCTED to tithe?

How come these same people ALWAYS run to the LAW to seek to INSTRUCT the Christian on how to live his life of GRACE?

The plain truth is that the New Testament has given the Christian instructions on HOW TO GIVE. Those who ignore these are bewitching believers and entangling them with a yoke of bondage.

felixomor:
How come the same people who antagonise tithe cant show us in the new testament where God instructed us to circumcise male babies?

plainbibletruth:
Here it is:
"Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation."
Galatians 6:14

I guess NOBODY preaches that anyone who is uncircumcised will go to tell. If any person does that he contravenes that verse quoted above.

The Christian life starts by GRACE and continues to be by the same grace. It does not start by GRACE and then goes on to be lived by works.

Nothing in the NT instructs the Christian to tithe.

Won ti gba penalty lo throwing.....



I knew they're gonna be disgraced in their own thread....awon tithe yahoos jatijati

Dalam0n:
You've already pointed out the tithe scam to him but he deliberately doesn't wants to understand what you are saying. There is no where in the bible where people are told to pay money as tithe. It's that simple as you've shown him.

That's because he's part of the religious yahoo system.....

Dalam0n:
Felixmoron and his serious comprehension problems. A person quoted a verse that clearly says circumcision is not important and he is asking the person why he disobeys the injunction. How can you disobey an injunction that is said to be unimportant? Felixomoron.

The same way he did when I asked him if he would ALSO teach that Christians tithe return the rest to original owners if Abraham tithe from the same spoils of war.....

.....especially faith IN THE FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST....

Thank you sir

andreweb:
their is something i will like to say to you Op but i reserve my comment for now

Go ahead and say it so we all can contribute

Originakalokalo:
Read what I posted.

The answers to your questions are there without mincing words.

I will not repeat myself.

God bless you.

I cant see the answers please kindly extract them out from your post if they are there. Thank you

felixomor:
Well you also cherry picked because what Abraham returned was only the Sodom king tithe remainder
The remainder of the other vanquished kings properties was not given to Sodom.

So your formula still falls short

I dare you will never answer that question and just to say and let the audience see this scams you religious yahoos are perpetrating in the body of Christ. You can either be a nail or the hammer. I'm the hammer and I told you I'll expose your yahoo industries.

verses 16 tells us what was recovered and those are same are what verses 21 to 24 are making references to. The whole point is, ABRAHAM KEPT NOTHING TO HIMSELF.

So you can teach Christians Abraham's example of tithing and wants Christians to follow it from your supposed "it is Abraham's income" BUT YOU CAN'T TEACH CHRISTIANS NOT TO KEEP NOTHING FROM THE SAME INCOME and these whole "what the Lord hath delivered into thine hands" ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE GENERAL ABRAHAM INCOME. So why he did paid or gave tithe from it, Christians can keep the rest instead of teaching Christians to follow Abraham's examples still by ALSO giving rest out to where or those it belongs to and continue to live like that the rest of their lives.



I have said my piece, AUDIENCE WHO READS CAN DEDUCE BY THEMSELVES. My points are made already!

felixomor:
What you do after tithe is your discretion bro.
You can even return everything.

The worship is in respecting the priority of acknowledging God first

Answer the question sir. You teach one aspect of what Abraham did how about the second aspect of what Abraham did? Cherry-picking or religious yahoos?

felixomor:
You are only running around circles.
What God Put in Abraham hands was for Abraham and Abraham Paid tithes from it.

Simple.
As a matter of fact, you dont even even know that after the war, it wasnt only the properties of King sodom that Abraham took, he also paid tithes from the properties of the other vanquished kings.(hence the plural tithes)

Or you think he returned the other defeated kings's property?

You are only running around circles.

Manwhile,
You are yet to Answer the question: Is your salary by your effort alone ?
Yes or No

Prove it from the text, Abraham didn't return the rest to those it belongs to.....

21The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give back my people who were captured. But you may keep for yourself all the goods you have recovered.” 22Abram replied to the king of Sodom, “I solemnly swear to the LORD, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, 23that I will not take so much as a single thread or sandal thong from what belongs to you. Otherwise you might say, ‘I am the one who made Abram rich.’ [/b]24I will accept only what my young warriors have already eaten, and I request that you give a fair share of the goods to my allies—Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre.”

felixomor:
Sorry you are wrong.

The Bible clearly says Of our own, we can do Nothing,
For it is God that giveth the power to make wealth.
Thepower is not your own.

Better repent.
The Word ofGod isnt in you

Okay, Im wrong right. So let me play dumb and play to your card that I'm wrong. Now, since you're right and believe or teach what was delivered into Abraham's hand was his income simply because his going to war was supposed to be HIS WORKS right,

Question:

Will you teach or do you also teach CHRISTIANS to do what Abraham did in this context by RETURNING THE REST OF THE SO CALLED INCOME OR WHAT GOD DELIVERED INTO HIS HANDS BACK TO THOSE IT BELONGS TO? And in case try to play dumb like you don't understand my contextual question, will you or do you teach Christians to return the rest of their income or what God delivered into their hands to their employers?

felixomor:
Secondly, is your salary by your power alone?
Yes or No please. No long stories

When you asked as to my job which turns out to be my salary UNLIKE going to war like Abraham to recover WHAT DOESN'T BELONG TO ME AND GIVING BACK TO THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS.....My answer is YES, my salary is by my power and strength because God will not come and do my work for me.

GOD'S WORD® Translation

When people work, their pay is not regarded as a gift but something they have earned.

Romans 4vs4

felixomor:
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Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand . And he gave him tithes of all.
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God delivered the vanquished into Abraham's hand as written above

But according to your logic; what God put in "Abraham's hand" does not belong to Abraham?
Abi?


Thats one hell of desperation too plenty.

Okay, lemme put it to your face.

1 - You are making the text (from your highlights above) to read AS IF what God PUT or DELIVERED into Abraham's hand is HIS INCOME as against what the text read which is VICTORY. Now, let's showcase your falsehood in what you put up there:

a - BY YOURSELF maybe or not unknown to you, you admitted it was VICTORY and NOT INCOME which he then paid GAVE tithe from. Below are your own words showing you admitted it was VICTORY.

felixomor:
Because you are not different from Abraham who also went to work on the battlefield despite the Lord giving him victory.

b - The text in Genesis 14 says and shows IT WAS VICTORY FROM WAR

c - The text you quoted could therefore be best understood FROM CONTEXT to be,

felixomor:
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Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand . And he gave him tithes of all.
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17After Abram returned from his victory over Kedorlaomer and all his allies, the king of Sodom went out to meet him in the valley of Shaveh (that is, the King’s Valley).
18And Melchizedek, the king of Salem and a priest of God Most High,d brought Abram some bread and wine. 19Melchizedek blessed Abram with this blessing:

“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
Creator of heaven and earth.
20And blessed be God Most High,
who has defeated your enemies for you.”
Then Abram gave Melchizedek a tenth of all the goods he had recovered.

Simply put, God "delivered thine enemies into thine hands" MEANS GOD GAVE HIM VICTORY OVER HIS ENEMIES OR GAVE HIM VICTORY OVER HIS ENEMIES! This has not comparision whatsoever with that BECOMING OR TRANSLATED AS INCOME.

d - Again,

felixomor:
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Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand . And he gave him tithes of all.
=================
God delivered the vanquished into Abraham's hand as written above

But according to your logic; what God put in "Abraham's hand" does not belong to Abraham?
Abi?


Thats one hell of desperation too plenty.

If you say what God delivered into Abraham's hand is his and belongs to him, PLEASE EXPLAIN TO OUR AUDIENCE WHAT ABRAHAM UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN HE SAID:

21The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give back my people who were captured. But you may keep for yourself all the goods you have recovered.” [b]22Abram replied to the king of Sodom, “I solemnly swear to the LORD, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, 23that I will not take so much as a single thread or sandal thong from what belongs to you. Otherwise you might say, ‘I am the one who made Abram rich.’ [/b]24I will accept only what my young warriors have already eaten, and I request that you give a fair share of the goods to my allies—Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre.”

...to be continued....

felixomor:
You dont have to arrange what is already arranged
The word of God is already arranged.

The questions are as straight as straight can be

Who's arranging what? Is you scared or what? Wait until I expose this your Abraham tithe scam, na by yourself you go pick race comot from your own thread....

felixomor:
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Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand . And he gave him tithes of all.
=================
God delivered the vanquished into Abraham's hand as written above

But according to your logic; what God put in "Abraham's hand" does not belong to Abraham?
Abi?


Thats one hell of desperation too plenty.

Secondly, is your salary by your power alone?
Yes or No please. No long stories

Because you are not different from Abraham who also went to work on the battlefield despite the Lord giving him victory.

I'll help you and the audience put it together when I have time.

felixomor:
After the war the recovered goods becomes his

Thats Why Melchidezek said,
Just as you quoted:
20"And blessed be God Most High,
who has defeated your enemies for you.”

In other words God provided the victory for Abraham.

So pls answer,
Is iT God that provides your income?
Or its by your power alone?

Here's the rules, you answer my questions the way they are asked and I'm will to answer yours too. So YOU ANSWERED question #1 but you did answer #2 but here's my rebuttal to your question #1

First, lemme show the world and viewers your lies:

felixomor:
After the war the recovered goods becomes his

No, scriptures NEVER SAID AFTER THE WAR, THE RECOVERY BECAME ABRAHAM'S, that's your fabricated lies. Now, if it became Abraham's, why then Abraham himself said this:

21The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give back my people who were captured. But you may keep for yourself all the goods you have recovered.”

22Abram replied to the king of Sodom, “I solemnly swear to the LORD, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth,

23that I will not take so much as a single thread or sandal thong from what belongs to you. Otherwise you might say, ‘I am the one who made Abram rich.’

felixomor:
Thats Why Melchidezek said,
Just as you quoted:
20"And blessed be God Most High,
who has defeated your enemies for you.”

In other words God provided the victory for Abraham.

God provided or gave Abraham victory got nothing to do with the recoveries becoming Abraham income or belongings. He clearly stated they don't belong to him, vs 23 so where did you get that from that After war they belong to him?

felixomor:
So pls answer,
Is iT God that provides your income?
Or its by your power alone?

Now you equate the recovery of war to Abraham INCOME which DOES NOT SURFACE IN SCRIPTURES. So the basis of victory given to Abraham versus MY JOB INCOME doesn't match in this context AS I SHOWED FROM SCRIPTURES ABRAHAM SAID THOSE RECOVERIES DOESN'T BELONG TO HIM AND IF WE INTERPRET THAT BY YOUR LOGIC IT MEANS HE'S SAYING THOSE RECOVERIES ARE NOT HIS INCOME.

However, let me answer your question for the sake of discussion. My income is what I worked for and entitled to my reward. It is NOT what I go to war to acquire or recover. God will not come down to do for me or any Christian what they can do for themselves or what God had told us to do. By all means, God gives us strength to go to work but God isn't doing bricklayer or truck driving or fixing people's hair instead of us doing it.

felixomor:
Meditate on the bolded

Why are you jumping before the appointed time? Is you afraid your fraud will be exposed? Again, I've done this lots of times: Okay, how about this, lets follow scriptures, the same you just highlighted because people reading can see how you cherry-picking but I will put the whole scriptures into perspective: Look at this and others can see too,

16Abram recovered all the goods that had been taken, and he brought back his nephew Lot with his possessions and all the women and other captives. 17After Abram returned from his victory over Kedorlaomer and all his allies, the king of Sodom went out to meet him in the valley of Shaveh (that is, the King’s Valley). 18And Melchizedek, the king of Salem and a priest of God Most High, d brought Abram some bread and wine.

19Melchizedek blessed Abram with this blessing:

“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
Creator of heaven and earth.
20And blessed be God Most High,
who has defeated your enemies for you.”
Then Abram gave Melchizedek a tenth of all the goods he had recovered

1. These recovered goods doesn't belong to Abraham. Do you agree? Yes or No

2. What are the contents of this TENTH OF ALL THE GOODS.....from the context of the passage of the scripture above?

We'll do some systematic step-by-step easy to learn exposition here....

^ ^ ^

So what we have to do is, cull out facts, summary and conclusions from the above passages and apply to today's Christianity and see if it can apply or if it is something Christians should do as these wolves in sheep's clothing are preaching to us. This is what I intend to do here.

okay, brb and to be ....continue. Make una bear with me, I work night shift and I'll do this gradually and slowly but before then, viewers/readers can digest the passage above, extract facts, summary and conclusion and try to apply it to today's Christianity and see it works but before then, make I go sleep and I will return.

1About this time war broke out in the region. King Amraphel of Babylonia,a King Arioch of Ellasar, King Kedorlaomer of Elam, and King Tidal of Goiim

2fought against King Bera of Sodom, King Birsha of Gomorrah, King Shinab of Admah, King Shemeber of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (also called Zoar).

3This second group of kings joined forces in Siddim Valley (that is, the valley of the Dead Seab).

4For twelve years they had been subject to King Kedorlaomer, but in the thirteenth year they rebelled against him.

5One year later Kedorlaomer and his allies arrived and defeated the Rephaites at Ashteroth-karnaim, the Zuzites at Ham, the Emites at Shaveh-kiriathaim,

6and the Horites at Mount Seir, as far as El-paran at the edge of the wilderness.

7Then they turned back and came to En-mishpat (now called Kadesh) and conquered all the territory of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites living in Hazazon-tamar.

8Then the rebel kings of Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, Zeboiim, and Bela (also called Zoar) prepared for battle in the valley of the Dead Sea.c
9They fought against King Kedorlaomer of Elam, King Tidal of Goiim, King Amraphel of Babylonia, and King Arioch of Ellasar—four kings against five.

10As it happened, the valley of the Dead Sea was filled with tar pits. And as the army of the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, some fell into the tar pits, while the rest escaped into the mountains.

11The victorious invaders then plundered Sodom and Gomorrah and headed for home, taking with them all the spoils of war and the food supplies.

12They also captured Lot—Abram’s nephew who lived in Sodom—and carried off everything he owned.

13But one of Lot’s men escaped and reported everything to Abram the Hebrew, who was living near the oak grove belonging to Mamre the Amorite. Mamre and his relatives, Eshcol and Aner, were Abram’s allies.

14When Abram heard that his nephew Lot had been captured, he mobilized the 318 trained men who had been born into his household. Then he pursued Kedorlaomer’s army until he caught up with them at Dan.

15There he divided his men and attacked during the night. Kedorlaomer’s army fled, but Abram chased them as far as Hobah, north of Damascus.

16Abram recovered all the goods that had been taken, and he brought back his nephew Lot with his possessions and all the women and other captives.

17After Abram returned from his victory over Kedorlaomer and all his allies, the king of Sodom went out to meet him in the valley of Shaveh (that is, the King’s Valley).

18And Melchizedek, the king of Salem and a priest of God Most High,d brought Abram some bread and wine.

19Melchizedek blessed Abram with this blessing:

“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
Creator of heaven and earth.
20And blessed be God Most High,
who has defeated your enemies for you.”
Then Abram gave Melchizedek a tenth of all the goods he had recovered.

21The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give back my people who were captured. But you may keep for yourself all the goods you have recovered.”

22Abram replied to the king of Sodom, “I solemnly swear to the LORD, God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth,

23that I will not take so much as a single thread or sandal thong from what belongs to you. Otherwise you might say, ‘I am the one who made Abram rich.’

24I will accept only what my young warriors have already eaten, and I request that you give a fair share of the goods to my allies—Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre.”

Genesis 14

Alright, when people like the OP and his likes tell us Christians we are to pay tithe following the pattern of Abraham after they have been destroyed from the false teaching of using/teaching the law kind of tithing or the tithe instructed in the mosaic law; what we're about to show the world (btw which I had done before in the past here) is the fallacy of their/such teachings. Now, let's us go into the word and see instructively how and what Abraham tithed in those days:

....continued below

felixomor:
It seems your bible app stopped working
Or probably you will invent your own fake bible


Anyway, i will be waiting

You should know I was going to do it from my computer. Thought you're in the Spirit.....

Originakalokalo:
A Child of God live a sinless life through the blood of Jesus.

Only through the blood.

This is it:

A child of God may fall into sin

He or she is not a SINNER.

A child of God knows that the blood is a means of advocacy for him.

Yet, he doesn't sin.

Instead, he strives for perfection.

Along this life of perfection, if he falls into sin,

The blood of Jesus takes care of it.

Before God, he then becomes PERFECT.

No sin is seen in him.


Note that this life I just painted is different from

Sinning every now and then, and asking for mercy every now and then.

Good God,

Why can't you people just answer the 3 simple questions so I can make my point and let's move on in the discussion. The long epistles ain't necessary. Btw, do YOU also believe HOLINESS IS OR MEANS SINLESSNESS? If you do, kindly follow or help asuustrike2009 answer these 3 questions:

Goshen360:
Since you just said holiness is or means sinlessness. The next thing we like you to educate us the audience is, do YOU STILL ask for forgiveness of sins?

2. Ever since you came to Christ, have you sinned or not?

Goshen360:
3. Do think or will you or is there possibilities you will sin TOMORROW OR IN THE FUTURE?

A sincere straight forward answer and I'll make my point to the audience and be out of your way. Ok...

Thank you sir

Give me little time or days, lemme return back and destroy one more time this "Abraham tithe scam". I'll show this scam out of Abraham tithe you're trying to sell to Christians.

asuustrike2009:
The scripture I gave you is the answer to it all. I know were you're coming so I purposely quoted that scripture. Talking about sinning in the future, why should I when same scripture say we should attain perfection

How do you know where I'm coming from or going? No, you don't until I make my point to you and the audience.

2. Do I take the second paragraph as ANSWER THAT you will not or cannot comit sin tomorrow or in the future?

Finally and I guess readers and audience are seeing your dishonest ways of NOT answering the questions.please answer the questions and I clearly make my point and get out of here, I do have much time like that to play or beat around the bush.

asuustrike2009:
Our righteousness before Yahweh is a piece of rag that's the answer to your question. Why all these questions?

Btw, lemme correct something here....THE RIGHTEOUSNESS that's like a rag before God is SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS NOT the imputed RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD THROUGH CHRIST IN HIS FINISHED WORKS.

I asked the question which repeated again for you and some audience above because I wanted to make a point from your statements.

asuustrike2009:
Our righteousness before Yahweh is a piece of rag that's the answer to your question. Why all these questions?

Sir, just answer the questions THE WAY IT WAS ASKED and I'll make my point and be out of your way. Again, SPECIFICALLY NOW....TO YOU,

Goshen360:
Since you just said holiness is or means sinlessness. The next thing we like you to educate us the audience is, do YOU STILL ask for forgiveness of sins?

2. Ever since you came to Christ, have you sinned or not?

Btw, let me add one more question:

3. Do think or will you or is there possibilities you will sin TOMORROW OR IN THE FUTURE?

A sincere straight forward answer and I'll make my point to the audience and be out of your way. Ok...

Thank you sir

asuustrike2009:
Yes. As a Christian you must live a sinless life. Your garment must be spotless. You should stay clear from flirting gossips about your neighbours, pastors, unneccessary arguements e.t.c.Total obedience to the word of God not your word. Total submission to God and do his will, preach his word to humanity . Jesus is coming for spotless Christian not spotted one. He's not interested any denominations so when he comes he will separate the goat from the sheep and take them to be with his father. Denomination only end on earth every man shall give account of what he did on earth. There many criteria to be meant before seeing him

Good response!

Since you just said holiness is or means sinlessness. The next thing we like you to educate us the audience is, do YOU STILL ask for forgiveness of sins?

2. Ever since you came to Christ, have you sinned or not?