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Jesusgirl92:
If you call money you give to you local church contributions, I won't call mine that. You can give money, service, food items or whatever you wish to as the Spirit leads...

Your time is also contributions, your for is also contributions and so is your service. Don't you hear people say stuff like.....my contributions to my community. Doesn't have to be money and it could be money. Again when we say offerings, please understand it carries a different meaning from the bible. We don't give OFFERINGS no more today in the church BECAUSE CHRIST ALREADY FULFILLED THE MEANINGS OF OFFERINGS.

Jesusgirl92:
Please don't get me wrong... I know the bigger picture was to show clearly the superiority of Christ priesthood as opposed to the Levitical priesthood... But my sister analize brought to my attention the detail of tithe... Why was it mentioned there?? Why was it stated in both cases that tithe was collected... Why was TITHE mentioned?? And please stop this "you and your crew thing" you keep saying.... I'm not quarreling with you.

I'm not quarreling with your just that you people pitch tents together and saying the same thing and it doesn't take us too long to counter those argument y'all present.

Okay if you agree the chapter is addressing the supiriority of one over the other, good then we're on the same page with that.

Now, if Analize was saying why the mention of tithe in those verses. She has to come up with the reasons WITH BIBLE STUDY AND REFERENCES and we look at them OTHER THAN THE REASONS IT WAS MENTIONED BY THE WRITER. And don't forget, both accounts of Hebrews and Genesis has to compliment each other NOT against each other. Off course a writer will mention THE EVENTS along side with the ACTORS so we the readers understand what he's talking about. He does NOT mentioned tithe TO ESTABLISH A DOCTRINE for Christians otherwise the summary and conclusion would have established that.

The Holy Spirit choose Melchizedek for a reason just because his record of birth, death are missing in Genesis so he was considered not having beginning of days and end of life but Jesus we know his birth record and death record. However we believers are of Christ that's the resurrected Lord n we're not of JESUS.

Jesusgirl92:
You didn't really get my point when I said offering... I was trying to say there was, when people give whatever they give to their local church, it's wrong to say they give it to pastor, be it tithe o, offering o, seed o etc... Why are they not questioning what they do with offerings?? Why only tithe??... I tithe but not because I was forced to.

You are the one that should understand my point. I get what you saying but I don't think you get what I saying. Lemme slow down for you.

Tithe in the bible isn't money n today people like me question it and being challenging it for years. Offering too in the bible is not money. When we challenge tithe we also challenge offering because malachi says....in tithes and offerings.

So what I'm saying is, in today's church which is of Christ, what when we worship God with our money, THAT'S NOT OFFERING because biblical OFFERING means something DIFFERENT. What we give in our worship gathering in Christ church is called CONTRIBUTIONS.

But if you're saying people challenge tithe and why not offering because today's tithe is money that's y we're challenging it and same should go to offering too being money THEN we're going to have to contest with Hebrews 10vs8 because it canceled OFFERING too

Jesusgirl92:
Did you read the part that states that another priest should rise after the order of Melchizedek, who is not to be called the order of Aaron?? Who was being talked about there??

And I don't know why you are taking this thing personal saying me and my crew... Do you have anything against me?? Bros na wa o.

Yes I read but that verses or chapter Hebrews 7 is NOT teaching tithe TO THE CHURCH bUT rather teaching the SUPERIORITY OF CHRIST PRIESTHOOD OVER THAT OF LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD but you tithe crew make a mess of the text and read into the text that Hebrews 7 is teaching tithe to believers.

How did we know this, the summary says exactly so and because the whole teaching in Hebrew is going AWAY from old Jewish practice ONTO Christ. So how could the writer be inferring tithe when it actually is a Jewish practice

Jesusgirl92:
When did I say tithe was money??

Today's tithe in churches are money so if teaching tithe for Christians today you're teaching money tithe. But that aside you agitated for OFFERING too and that's why I quoted you and showing you if y'all saying offerings are what we give in worship today then you have to struggle with Hebrews 10vs8 and tell us what it means

Jesusgirl92:
Hebrews 7: 9 KJV:If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
The High priest that is testified to live forever is Jesus.

Jesus = HIGH Priest

Melchizedek = Priest in that verse and context. How did a PRIEST became HIGH Priest in that verse who lives forever?

Jesusgirl92:
I don't know why people would say you pay tithes to pastor but when you give offering in your local Church, you say you give to God?? Why not stop offerings altogether because it goes to the church's treasury..... Or you don't believe you're enriching pastors with offerings but when you tithe, the enriching starts?? People should be careful with what they utter... Remember, we'll give account of every word one day. What would be your excuse then?

You and your crew propagate same idea and I'm aware where all this manipulation coming from but I'm not going into that argument. Now, you and your crew being saying offering is money too right but just as tithe isn't money, same way offerings IN THE BIBLE IS NOT MONEY that are given in CHRISTIAN WORSHIP GATHERING but if you and your crew in disguise say offerings are money given in our worship gathering, do you agree to this scripture abolishing OFFERING too?

King James Bible
Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Holman Christian Standard Bible
After He says above, You did not want or delight in sacrifices and offerings, whole burnt offerings and sin offerings (which are offered according to the law),

Hebrews 10vs8

Jesusgirl92:
I'm not forcing you to. But saying tithing is wrong and not biblical when Hebrew 7:9 states tithes (not levitical tithes now) is received by the one who is testified that he lives (Jesus). Men..... I reserve my comments.

Continue to manipulate bible text. So how did that verse SUDDENLY say it is Jesus it was referring to while it's being talking about MELCHIZEDEK from the context? Is Jesus Christ same person as Melchizedek?

An2elect2:
Hehehehe Christians shouldn't tithe at all.

"Tithing isnt compulsory" is like saying "The law isn't compulsory" Law is law for a reason. If you are under a law you must abide by it and in some cases to the letter. There is no "if you like" with the law. You break it you face punishment. That's why Christ came to free us from not only the punishment but also from the demands of the law.

Before now. The truth was: CHRISTIANS ARE NOT TO TITHE BUT GIVE WHATEVER THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE

Lying ministers shouted the exact opposite of the truth from their pulpits: TITHING IS COMPULSORY AND OFFENDERS ARE INCURRING GOD'S WRATH

Then a man came to challenge them with the bible. He won a lot of people over

Proud lying ministers couldnt take it and got worse in preaching the opposite of the truth. They were no longer convincing.

So shy lying ministers (the devil's second try to keep people enslaved) like this come forward for the first time ever(what have they been doing since?) to "challenge" the obvious lie with subtle lie or is it a levelling ground lie saying: TITHING IS NOT COMPULSORY.

Who is the devil trying to swindle with this lie? When did a law become not compulsory?

Christians shouldn't tithe we have been freed from the law.

You're one of my favorites, speaking the truth in all seasons. Thank you beloved

analize701:
My brother, this silly arguments brings no glory to my God. Do what you are convicted of.

I will keep paying my Tithe because the more i research this Tithe Issue, the more i'm convinced it's an eternal ordinance. So long as i'm not stealing some one's money to pay it, I'll pay it.

Thank you.

You can cheap out of this as you always do. That's ok but I reminded you that when people say stuff that's not sound doctrine, I mean, it doesn't take too long for fetch out the truth.

Again, your whole argument about Melchizedek tithe are errors if you can show Melchizedek is HIGH Priest from scriptures. You can read into a text and I know if someone does such.

Again I'm waiting or we're waiting.....or you can cheap out of this

God is THE ONLY BOSS that will fire you but still let you keep working. If you don't believe this ask Saul. He was anointed only for 2 years but was a king for 40 years. Meaning, he was only sitting king for 38 years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqcK-4cVaaE

Somebody help me pass this message to Pastor Adeboye.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLQjJ_uq6hM

Pastor Adeboye used to be a MOG I respect growing up as a young Christian but on this topic, I lost respect for him especially when he says things not a sound doctrine. If every Christian claim God told me without us having a way to verify in the word, do you know how many issues we'll have in the body of Christ today?

Pastor Adeboye should swallow his pride and accept biblical truth and sound Christian doctrines.

New Living Translation
All the believers devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching, and to fellowship, and to sharing in meals (including the Lord's Supper), and to prayer.
Acts 2vs42

Tithe wasn't taught by the Apostles to the early church and not everything written in the bible is for Christians

analize701:
Yes. This is the Dispensation of the Church, the Gentile's Age. And, Christ is the Eternal Priest over seeing this New Covenant. Every High Priest must do what the High Priests Do

Melchizedek was a High Priest, He took Tithe. Levi was a High Priest, he took Tithe, why should Jesus our High Priest not take Tithe from us?

Lemme tell you something. Lies doesn't take too long to be exposed but truth is consistent over ages.

On the highlight above,

Show us scriptures saying Melchizedek is a HIGH Priest.

CandidSeeker:
John 1:17 KJV
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

You're wrong sir!

But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law
Galatians 4vs4

If he was born under the law and functioned under the law, grace didn't begin under the law. Yes he came with grace and he himself is grace and full of grace but the grace dispensation didn't begin until after his death and resurrection.

Ibunkun1:
Lol,pls How Can You Be Comitted To Giving And You Have Issue With Tithing

because EVERY giving a man does is ALWAYS a certain % of his income. Tithe is legalistic, freewill giving is not!

analize701:
Lolzzz. This thread is not for Children pls. If you do not know that said that by Himself, then you shs take your tears somewhere else.

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Malachi:3:8

Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Malachi:3:9

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Malachi:3:10

Pls take your fight to God who threatened you. See who God go threaten, bacteria better pass you before God.


If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Malachi:2:2

Weytin you go do now, fight am?

1. Malachi is not talking to believers who Christ died for
2. Believers are not cursed with the curses of the law
3. Flying scriptures around by just quoting doesn't equal to sound doctrines. Leave scriptures in its right context and dispensation. That's one of your errors.

analize701:
Goshen360, this is not maturity. pls do not bring insults into a Christian discussion and, most importantly, do not insult a servant of God in my thread.

If these men are Yahoo men, the God who called them is not incapable of bringing them to justice. No one made you an avenger.

Pls, let's respect each other and base our discussions on issues not attacking people's characters. Thank you.

Who's a servant of God? Does a servant of God go about twisting scriptures after being shown sound doctrines? Am I not a servant of God too? And btw, how are we sure you're not them or part of them in disguise? You people have a funny way of trying to win an argument? Anyway, let's continue, if you're posting a question to me, quote me and post your comments.

analize701:
Lolzzz. I posted you a question sir, lets peruse it.

What's the question?

analize701:
Taking Scriptures out of context can make it mean whatever anyone wants them to mean, and it's very dangerous.

Just the same way you and your tithe crew have taken and still taking scriptures out of context. Don't worry, we're here watching

And what has Ashimolowo taught or preached? Absolutely nothing other than usual sentiment like other daddies.

Teach it not sentiment it

petra1:
We tithe because it’s a principle .



Malachi is not Law. He’s Gods Prophet just like Abraham , Enoch , Elijah . Prophets have the oracle of God .



That’s very irreverent . That’s how you despised Abraham tithe and called it common tax to an earthly king.

YOU, are in the major front promoting false tithing doctrine to Christians here and I'm here challengin YOU with scriptures. You have said too many things which are NOT consistent in this tithe topic. It shows you're lying and twisting scriptures to interpret out of context. From tithing is eternal principles to law tithing to because we're seed of Abraham to God use it to pay for rent, chair, air conditioning etc.....which one exactly is it? Which principle? Did God forgot to tell us to tithe according to principles or according to what's written? Btw, you can't justify tithe by any means especially those lines of Abraham seed?

2. Malachi was a prophet UNDER THE DISPENSATION OF THE LAW just as Jesus was a prophet under the law too. So what's your point? Are Christians under the dispensation of the law of Moses or Grace of Christ?

3. Abraham tithe to Melchizedek and that's not transferred to Christians TO CONTINUE TO TITHE.

b. Faith NOT tithe is what scriptures says connect us and Abraham TO OR WITH CHRIST.

c. Abraham PAID tithe to Melchizedek and if we go by your message/logic of we being Abraham seed. It means when Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, we IN HIM ALSO PAID OR HAVE PAID TITHE to Melchizedek. Hebrews 7vs9

petra1:
God says when you don’t tithe and give offerings you rob him

Malachi 3:8
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me.
But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee?
In tithes and offerings.

I thought you're tithing according to Abraham example. You see how you quickly run to the law to justify tithe yahoo?

Even your pastor Chris....said Christians are no longer under under the law and that the law is abolished but I'm not surprised just like your pastor Chris, he runs to the law he preached was abolished for Christians to justify tithe, the same you doing. Hey, I got good news for you:

New International Version
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.

New Living Translation
Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God.

Romans 3vs19

Will that include your yahoo tithe and offerings?

....to be continued to #2 outline. If those teaching tithes will argue any of the myths, reference the # you like to argue against and dispute the truth. I will be back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G_O_WocxUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VJUwByWR0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTEfqZqeeSE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4qg8TRGJI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0z6JXbZ99A

Since its the season of tithe debates and our tithe preachers doesn't want to give up on their lies and heresies, we, on the opposite side are not giving up too on teaching exactly what the scripture teaches. Hey, call or invite your tithe preacher(s) to this teachings and video and let them confront the truth to the light of the word - Y'ALL GONNA LEARN SOMETHING HERE! This is the message we've been teaching for years!

Outlines:

1. 5 Myths about tithe and tithing
2. Abraham's example of tithing
3. Christian Giving: 2 Corinthians 9:6-7
4. 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 : A reference to Levitical tithe system under the new testament or not?

We will be looking into these outlines for proper teachings and may update the outlines from those who wants to force the lies of tithing on Christians today.

Enjoy!

petra1:
THE ERROR OF DADDY FREEZE

It's laughable when some who don't study their bibles feel there is a hidden conspiracy about tithing in the church which pastors have been covering up. Daddy freeze claims that the Bible. Command tithes to be uses to drink beer. Firstly that's is insult to God and stupid .

Let me explain the manipulation and error of Daddy freeze here . He told a lie that tithe is to be given to the poor and to eat and drink that is error .

Tithe belong to God right right from the days of father Abraham who’s principle of faith we follow .

Under the law God still commanded isreal to give tithes and offerings. Which is used for the service of the house of God and welfare and support of workers and ministers there .


Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

After God Instructed them on the tithe to him through the levites , he asked the people to give another 10% to the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a love feast to eat and drink . That doesn’t replace the tithe to God. And that is the error and deception of daddy freeze . He didn’t mentioned the title to God and gave the impression that the other 10% for feast and for the poor were the same. .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized . So daddy freeze only dwell on the feast party which is not abrahamic . And antitithers are jumping up that they have a hero (who is not even a Christian )

You guys lace heresy mixed with truth in your messages which is even more dangerous to Christians and Christianity. How do I mean?

1. I don't have the whole time to respond to everything you said line by line, hence I'm quoting all and respond in general. You talk as if daddy FRZ is saying something new. How about us, and people like me and others who have fought against FIXED AND STIPULATED AND MANDATORY kind of giving which tithe is on this forum? Daddy FRZ is just showing up now to give a national voice to same false teaching on tithe we were fighting here over the years.

2. When we, the anti tithe challenge you tithe preachers you guys run back to Abraham kind of tithe saying it's A REVELATION. Stop show us scriptures that Abraham tithe is revelation. And btw, if it's a revelation shouldn't it be written in the bible and plus, it should also be a revelation for Christians not to keep nothing to themselves and not to tithe from their personal income because the last time I checked, Abraham returned the rest of spoils of war to rightful owners and kept nothing to himself.

2b. You guys tithe preachers like YOU say people should tithe in Abraham example AND NOT ACCORDING TO THE LAW but you the your preachers ALIKE USE CURSE, THREATS AND FEAR to lace your messages for people to tithe. Who threatened Abraham with curse before he gave tithe? You guys say it's by revelation but use curse and fear of malachi to threaten people. If it is by fear or curse of malachi then it can't be by revelation. Which one is it?

3. Believers have injunctions in the new testament how to give NOT A FIXED, STIPULATED AND MANDATORY kind that tithe was. EVERY GIVING FROM ANYONE IS ALWAYS A CERTAIN % OF HIS OR HER INCOME doesn't have to BE FIXED, STIPULATED AND MANDATORY to every Christian. To some, it could be 1, to another it could be 5 and to another it could be 10, to another it could be 12 etc %.....EVERY MAN AS HE HAS PURPOSED IN HIS HEART IN KEEPING UP WITH HIS INCOME is what the new testament have for Christians.

4. You connected Abraham tithe AGAIN WITH THE LEVITICAL TITHE and said this is the tithe Christians CONTINUES to give in furthering the gospel. Again, YOU SEE HOW YOU LACE LIES WITH TRUTH by saying we don't tithe as commanded in the law but you returned to the law only keeping the Levitical tithe? If Paul meant tithe in that verse, Paul could have taught tithe to the church. Btw, excuse me, where did the Apostles or Christ received tithe TO FURTHER THE GOSPEL or pay pastors, or rent chairs etc and those things your mentioned up there?

4b. Levites have no inheritance in Israel and you admitted some pastor have jobs. If a pastor has a job, what's his business taking or teaching tithe? I agree pastors are supposed to be supported financially but voluntarily UNDER THE NEW TESTAMENT. The whole argument of support using the Levitical tithe falls to the ground because under the new testament, we are all priest and levites received tithe and give tenth to the priest so we should all be taking tithe. Also, it should be church workers receiVing tithe if we're going to follow the Levitical order NOT THE PASTORS NOT THE PRIESTS.

*** more to respond to but running out of time to go to work ****

Dagaya:
I think this explains everything.
God bless you.
A lot of us are being misled and its all down to the way our pastors talk about tithes like its the most important part of the scripture if u want to be successful.
Charity they say begins at home...y not help that poor fellow on ur way to church, instead of heavily enriching the purses of our flamboyant pastors..we should do more for those around us who really need it.
God bless you once again.

You're blessed and you're most welcome.

MuttleyLaff:
Bro, I reciprocate
but still standing at attention, may I ease and fall out?

Ease sir.....you've have been standing for too long but now, stand in the liberty wherein Christ has made us free + having done all, stand in the finished works of Christ.

The things you teach God's people and invest your time into, you and the likes like me should be the one receiving tithe but unfortunately our teaching won't allow us....because we don't hv the Commandment to receive tithe....

MuttleyLaff:
Well, if you are talking of the Levitical sort of paying tithe, then that one, is an obligatory or imposed tithing Jewish tradition.

Ecclesiastical tithe, is where a christian gathering, taxes its members 10%, tenth, 1/10 or possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income.
Some christian gatherings, even have a tithe ledger,
and members fall out of the christian gatherings' favour, if their names are found wanting in the tithe ledger book.

If anyone, so wishes to tithe, as in give a tenth, 1/10, 10% or possibly 0.1 of your financial income, there is nothing wrong in that
but you'll be going down the wrong path, the moment you permit this practice to be imposed upon you as a religious duty

Ecclesiastical tithe is performing something imposed and so consequently is a religious duty

Trust me, if Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth here, now, just for second, He will condem tithing
He will frown at ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income
He will ask:
Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

I salute you God's General. You're blessed