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traeces:
I keep the law of God as "completed and put together"-matt 5:17 (MSG) by the life and teachings of the lord Jesus.

Let's show you some laws and you tell us if you keep them. You ready?

traeces:
It is so unfortunate that anyone will allow his or her faith to be guided by "what you guys have said" rather than by what the scriptures say.
Grace does not equate lawlessness. On the contrary grace implies empowerment to keep God's law (Titus 2:11). So if anyone for claims that because he or she is under grace and not under the law so is free from the law of God, the above scriptures clearly show that such a one is anything but a Christian.
In essence, we don't get to choose what portion of the bible applies to us and what portion does not. We follow Jesus, we copy his life and we obey his instructions since he is the only one in all of creation of whom it is written: "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, hear him" and he it is that has commanded us not to Neglect tithes (Matt 23:23)

You dont know what you talking about

The bible has no contradictions. Those who are confused should humbly seek knowledge. If you don't know and thinks the bible is contradictory, ask questions and someone somewhere is ahead of you in God's word and you can find help.

This is more like Paul's letter confusing many today in the church and seemingly contradictory but a careful study and putting everything taught by himself together, you learn it's not contradictory at all

1. I agree with others on who a Christian is but it's deeper than than. We can all learn the deepest together and it's gradual, slowly and takes time. For a young Christian, the stages will be:

Milk of the word
Meat (Strong meat) of the word.....and,
Bone of the word.

2. Genesis to Revelation is written for YOUR LEARNING OR KNOWLEDGE....so you can tie together the aforementioned to the NOW of God. But not everything written in Genesis to Revelation is FOR YOUR APPLICATION AS A CHRISTIAN.

3. Sound doctrine is not just quoting scriptures or bible. Sound doctrine is RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth. So if one can rightly divide, it suggests to me, another can WRONGLY divide the word. That's why just quoting the bible doesn't mean it is truth to a Christian now or today.

4. When it comes to studying the word of God AS A CHRISTIAN. it's hard and time consuming but slowly and surely we can do it. We can have resources to STUDY which are readily available for us today but many are toooooo busy or lazy and I can understand everyone is not the same and we don't move on the same space. However, EVERY CHRISTIAN MUST be like the Bereans to STUDY WHATEVER IS TAUGHT. Studying is different from reading the Bible.

5. The reason we have many different denominations today in the body of Christ and say different things BUT WE ALL QUOTE FROM SAME BIBLE is because some have WRONGLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

Lemme stop here and we can chew on this.

Good job..... MuttleyLaff and plainbibletruth for holding these tithe yahoos to stand still with scripture.....

asuustrike2009:
Which doctrine are you to follow the Bible or the apostles? Did the bible say we should follow apostle's doctrine?

The bible in its entirety is a progressive revelation whereby truth was unveiled in PARTS. Today's church have the complete truth in Christ and the Apostles. No other foundation should be laid other than what's been laid. Yes, the church follow the Apostolic teachings todays. Acts 2vs42

Ken4Christ:
I did not threaten anyone. I just unveiled a spiritual principle. Remember what happened to Anaias and Saphira? They voluntered to give the proceed from their land but yielded to temptation to keep back of their money. They both died. There was no law but they suffered from their errors. So, if you already pay tithe and withdraw or stop it, you are setting yourself up for destruction. In spiritual things, you dont retire, you refire.

That's not the case with them....they lied to the holy spirit. Stop saying fearful stuff to church people like you're not different from what malachi said

PaChukwudi44:
asi asi!!!! salvation is a free gift from God.He does not need 1/10th of your earnings to give you salvation.The wrath of God will soon fall upon lairs like you who distort the word of God

Amen!

PaChukwudi44:
I wish I am arounfd you right now.I will give you a dirty slap and whip you just like Christ whipped those trading in the house of God.salvation is not greater than tithing!!!! How dumber can one get!!! Even while tithing was compulsory under the jewish law it was not even amongst the important part of the law.Shame on you

My brother, these tithe yahoos are out there to Re write the bible, we must stand against them like the days of Paul fighting the judaizers. One of them defending tithe said Paul made a mistake writing d book of Hebrews and that he doesn't agree with Paul submission in Hebrew 7....imagine oo

asuustrike2009:
Tithing has being practiced before the apostles. That the apostles choose not to doesn't mean is not practiced

So you agree the Apostles didn't teach or practice it right? So therefore it's not an Apostolic doctrine to the church. Do you agree?

enilove:
Salvation is like a certificate.
Can you get a certificate without obeying the rules and regulations of the school , like passing the required subjects , paying your school fees and obeying the school's rules and regulations ?

Salvation is not an automatic thing , there are so MANY THINGS OR COMMANDMENTS TO OBEY.

One of them is tithes payments .

Smh!

Ken4Christ:
You are very wrong. Daddy Freeze didn't make any thing clearer. He only spoke what you wanted to hear. You can't use the Law of Moses to judge the New Testament Church. Our faith in tithing is not because it is contained in the Law. It is because our father Abraham tithed when there was no law. And he gave the tithe to Melchizedec was is like Jesus.

If Daddy Freeze is using the practice under the Law to judge the Church on what we should do with our tithe, he should also use the same law to judge himself in many other ways.

The law says we should keep the Sabbath day Holy and violation is punishable by death. How many Sabbath has Daddy Freeze kept Holy?

We are not obliged as a Church to strictly follow the pattern under the Law but we can draw a moral lesson out of it. And some Churches today have begun to give back to the society and members one way or the other. I am aware of a Church that runs a free school, free restaurant and free boutique. The money he gets to do that is from the tithe paid.

Instead of attacking tithe payment, what we should address is the proper management of the fund. It is primarily for workers in the house of God and secondarily for benevolence. Any excess can be used to advance the course of the gospel.

Daddy Freeze is an agent of darkness and all that stand with him.

Whoever withdraws his tithe because of Daddy Freeze submissions is a big fool. They are disaster about to happen. This same people will run back to the church very soon asking for mercy when they begin to experience the repercussion of their errors.

Unfortunately, many of your kind on this forum doesn't believe or teach you guys tithe because of Abraham. If they say such, they NEVER stick to just Abraham example but they still run to law tithe to threaten folks. The SAME THING you doing at the end of your post here.

Who forced, commanded Abraham to tithe and who threatened Abraham with curse or calamities or repercussions like you said in the end of your post. Leave Christians alone to give according to grace given to them and what the decide in their heart to give....because every giving is always a certain percentage of one's income.

petra1:
Wrong THOU ART!



Because the principle cut Accross . You can if we should give offering according to Levi or Abel . The process may differ . The point is OFFERING GOES WITH WORSHIP . Don’t be legalistic. Looking for for comas and colon . But the big picture

Lol....if the .....e.g worship has changed, why wouldn't the offering change? Lol.

asuustrike2009:
You still haven't answer the question. You still beating around the bush with this your grace sermon. Show me were exactly was it stated in the book of Hebrews that we shouldn't pay tithe? You haven't pointed out a verse that say we shouldn't pay so why beat around the bush and say tithe isn't meant for Christians by claiming grace

I have shown you but your greed won't let you see it. Follow the 3 commandment mentioned in the same conteXT and when reading vs 18.....ask yourself what commandment is he talking about.

petra1:
The message of Hebrew 7 is simple . To let us know that the priest hood of christ is higher than levitical priesthood . Priesthood of christ is in the order of Melchizedek who initiated tithing . And it unending priesthood . Eternal priesthood . Tithing priesthood .

smh

petra1:
Romans 7:12
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 7:14
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.


There is difference between the law as an institution and the content of the law . There are content done away in christ and there are content that are spiritual principles .

Smh....do you people just enjoy just quoting scriptures or what? do you ask the holy spirit questions when you study scriptures?

What those scriptures mean? The law is holy....does it make you or us holy? The law is spiritual....does it make you or us spiritual? You have to question what you read in order to understand it. Read from verse 1 and see how Paul completely dismissed the law.

asuustrike2009:
Did the Bible say we shouldn't pay tithe? How can you use Hebrew 7 to end to validate a point were nothing of such was clearly stated there

Ok.....give me time and lemme put it together for you.

Vs 5....commandment to take tithe was GIVEN TO LEVITES ONLY....right?

Vs 16...... Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, .....

Vs 18.....

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

You can argue that....I'm not making this up but showing you scripture context....

What commandment is vs 18 talking about? well, go back to the context because he already mentioned TWO "commandments" GOING BEFORE....those are the commandment disannulling ACCORDINGTO THE LAW

asuustrike2009:
No the Bible expressly say so in mal 3:8-10 and 1 cor 6:9-10

What is meant in 1 cor. 6.9-10 is NOT SAME AS what is said in Malachi 3.3-10

asuustrike2009:
I studied it but it didn't say anything of such. The holy spirit teaches, ask him if what asuustrike said is correct

Smh....you really didn't get it? 3 "commandments" mentioned in that chapter....link them together and you'll understand. Do I have to say school you?

asuustrike2009:
The case of that thief was he repented. If you don't repent from robbing God then you're heading to hell

More like how tithers are being threatened?

Jesusgirl92:
I go soon wound you... But for now, I don fight finish..

No, me and you.....a ti le po....

We gonna fight this truth to finish. Lemme ask you this, do you know why many pay tithe but still not showing nothing for it and some still broke and have to go borrow from non tithers like me? I guess I might show you a mystery here today.

Jesusgirl92:
Buy me land first .

Haaaaa, I thought u are Levite that was commanded not to have inheritance. . Btw, I don't hv to buy you land, I can give you one of my 3 lands in Badagry but you have to promise me you'll stop collecting tithe. .

[s]Btw, excuse me again.....I thought tithers like you would hv or should have lots of benefits by now. Where's the promise of malachi 3....?[/s] Just joking.....maybe you might have more land than I do....

CecyAdrian:
Do you have Deut 14-21 missing from your bible?

God bless you my sister. I'm beginning to think I should do a thread on BASICS BIBLE STUDY.....OMG, people take Genesis to Revelation as if everything there is for CHRISTIANS TO FOLLOW AND PRACTICE. What's wrong with our half baked brothers and sisters? Well, not their fault....they're wrongly thought and they themselves won't open their bible and STUDY

Dainikel:
I'm beginning to wonder if the 'so called' christians who are against tithing have chapter 3 of Malachi missing in their bible.

Malachi 3 wasn't talking to you AS CHRISTIANS. Lord, do you not know the basic of bible studies?

Jesusgirl92:
Does name calling show the love of Christ??

Sometimes it does....so the answer is YES. Paul called some people names more ridiculous than I'm doing. Don't you think so? Btw, I'll be gentle still on the name calling but you get it every now and then....

Btw, excuse me, the Lord of Christ being....to fight for preserving the truth from distortion in the body of Christ.

We cool?

Jesusgirl92:
God bless you sir.

God bless him because he's the chairHEAD, of your crew I was talking about earlier.

Don't worry, we'll get you guys straight.

Joagbaje:
Wrong. Tithes , Offering , sacrifices are eternal principles . Jesus only fulfilled SIN offering .

He didn’t fulfill your thanksgiving offering or free will offering or your tithe or your personal sacrifice .

I knew the boss will show up. Welcome sir.

You can use all kinds of technical names to deceive folks that's you that we know. What does Hebrews 10vs8 says....notice things mentioned there including SIN OFFERINGS.

Go ahead

asuustrike2009:
You just hitting around the bush without drawing from the Bible were it expressly say we shouldn't pay tithe. Tithing has being there from beginning and would be there till Jesus come. Anyone who chooses not to pay is a thief and wouldn't inherit the kingdom of God because thieves can enter heaven

Can it be said that Jesus once said to a thief.....today you'll be with me in paradise? Lol That thief must not have been paying tithe right? lol

asuustrike2009:
You have not quoted the exact verse to support your claim. You don't assume things support your assertion from the exact scriptures from the Bible

Study or Slowly assimilate Hebrews 7 but emphasis on verses 5, 16 and 18....put these in context. When you read verse 18, pause and ask the question what commandment is he talking about?

Jesusgirl92:
Goshen360, Now that we are clear on that and we are friends (I assume)... I just want us to reason something together... If tithes were so insignificant... Why was it mentioned at all?... Analize said and I actually agree with her... That establishing the Truth of the Superiority of the priesthood of Christ would have been done effortlessly without even the mention of tithes. But Tithe was mentioned... Why??

I just told you....why. Maybe you or she have another reason(s) y'all can come up with it AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT TOGETHER. But I'm saying tithe has to be mentioned because it was an event which happened with or by the actors so we can know who and what is being said. If there exist other reasons, I believe the Holy Spirit would have said it other than the supiriority of the priesthood

asuustrike2009:
They didn't condemn tithing at all.In fact the above scripture didn't talk about tithing. There is different between offering and tithing.
The scripture you quoted is offering not tithe.Tithing has being there before the adoption of mosaic law.Jesus our role model didn't condemn it how much the new testament

You tithe because you follow JESUS and not CHRIST. JESUS DIED but CHRIST is the resurrection and that's where your faith and life should be. Anyway, that's another topic on it's own.

Nobody tithe today ACCORDING to....BEFORE THE LAW, the tithe being preached today in churches are according to the law. Also, tithe before the law in the case of Abraham doesn't apply to Christians. So what tithe you talking about.

asuustrike2009:
You haven't answer the question. Did the Bible expressly condemned tithe yes or no?

Yes the bible expressly put an end to tithe