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Gombs: Did God speak what wa in Mal 3? Emphatically Yes

Was God refering to the Law of Moses? I can't say, but if he were, aw does that nullify d fact that Moses adopted tithing from Abraham?

[quote author=do-not-sin]Ok. I agree on this one but read the OP again & you see you missed his erronuos points in ur previous replies.[/quote]Why do you have to open new I.d. before you can challenge a teaching?

If your right hand make you sin, cut it off.

Please how did Christ or we interpret the above?

Gombs: If you looking for scripture where God including tithe in the covenant, you won't find any,
Jesus is Abraham's seed, and Jesus recognized tithing. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus recognized or commended the Pharisees for tithing. Tithing was the only thing they were doing right.

You know what you doing, that's why you laughing. You can't show tithe was part of or included in the Abrahamic covenant because because there's no scripture like that. What that means is, you adding to what was written.

You pointed Christ quoting tithe in Matthew 23:23, that was tithe ACCORDING TO THE LAW. That was tithe COMMANDED, Abraham's tithe wasn't COMMANDED BUT VOLUNTARY. Besides, Abraham was pronounced blessed FIRST by melchi, then he gave. Today, preacher lie to church people that tithe and then God will bless you. You see the difference?

3. If you are Christ's then you are Abraham's seed is simply the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant - in you (Abraham) shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Meaning, Christ will come through the lineage of Abraham. That's the covenant fulfilled.

Gombs: A quick quiz.

Is tithing before or after the law of moses?

It was first mentioned BEFORE the law with Abraham. The question is, is the tithe included by God to Abraham when making the covenant. If tithe was include in the Abrahamic covenant, kindly show us scripture, not just talking.

Gombs: Sir, God made a covenant with Abraham and also with Moses, which are you actually refering to?

If twas Moses' covenant, we no longer under them
Why?

What comparison does God make between the two
covenants ie the one he made with moses n the new one which Jesus brought?

"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." Hebrews 8:6-7.

But if its abraham's, the covenant was faultless and that covenant birthed the NT

In summary, God's covenant with Moses was a subset of God's covenant with Abraham.

Hence, the continuation I was speaking abt was Abraham's covenant, Moses' covenant was truncated. And Tithing is not of the law of moses.

There are three covenants in scripture - covenant which was BEFORE the law; the covenant of the law and the new\better covenant.

Scriptures say, the covenant which was before the law cannot be disannulled else God would be breaking his own covenant. What then is this covenant before the law? In thee (Abraham) shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Is tithe included in that covenant? Please show us from scriptures if you know one that continuous payment of tithe is part of or included in covenant with Abraham.

Gombs: Who said what was in malachi 3? God or malachi?

Your problem is that you believe for example"No weapon fashioned against you shall prosper...", or "the lord is my shepherd, I shall not want" you didn't argue that the priesthood is changed or the covenant is changed, or that Jesus has come or somtin...but when it got to tithing, all because money's involved, you went all priesthood and covenant (mixing everything wrongly while at it). You have a lack mentality, a consciousness of things been taken from you...that's not Christ-like bro!

I don't understand what u driving at. My point is simply and clear. Christians have a new covenant and it's NOT the same as the old of which Malachi is part of the old. You live in a new country but trying to obey or follow the terms, conditions and laws of your birth country. Does that make any sense?

Gombs: Bidam tearing some dude to shreds


@Goshen, you are just showing you have little knowledge of the bible.

The NT is found on the promise God made Abraham, if you now saying God made a new one, question is with who did he make the new one?

Bottom line, dnt mistake Moses's Law for the covenant God made with Abraham. in a nut shell, the NT is a continuation of the old testament.

Stop mincing scriptures to suit you.

I have shown you where it says the new is NOT LIKE the old. All you need do is show from scripture that it's a CONTINUATION. Also remember, Matthew to John is NOT the new testament\covenant.

Pastor Aji: Check Heb. 7:6 - 9 and interpret the verse

I have checked. Please ask your question(s) and lemme answer. I can't do too much typing from the phone now.

victorazy: Everybody emphasising on tithe giving. If u like give or not give, is only for ur own benefit.

That's where the difference between the old and new covenant comes to play. Malachi says bring it SO THAT GOD will THEN OPEN WINDOWS OF HEAVEN AND POUR YOUR BLESSINGS. That's a conditional covenant!

After Christ said it is finished, the work was completed and the blood sealed the new covenant. We don't give because WE WANT A BENEFIT but because WE ALREADY BLESSED BY CHRIST'S COMPLETED WORK.

There's no Windows shut against believers from the time Christ said, it is finished. Every believer now HAVE ACCESS TO THE HEAVENLY FATHER.

So, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is not the new covenant\testament. What's happening there is, Christ, the mediator of the covenant was ONLY writing his will that will take effect after his death and become INHERITANCE to all who believes.

We have a rich inheritance in Christ. We didn't work for it, it was done for us and on our behalf.

You have asked a good question. But in truth, that's the weakness of the LAW. That scripture is as literal as day light. If we don't accept the literal saying, some people will say this is what Christ meant and others will say, no, this is what Christ meant. How then do we know who is right or wrong?

If we're all to cut off our members, don't you think there will be more amputees on earth by now?

Uyi Iredia: My understanding of Genesis was largely literal. As such I believed Adam and Eve were the only created humans and they procreated by inc€$t and after a while it became needless and subsequently, immoral as now known.

Yes, that's what it is. That's why it was said, sin was in the world before the law but it wasn't charged against them because there wasn't any official existing law to charge them.

SMIG: when God said EVRYONE while cursing abel there was no seth or other children then....t'was only cain adam and eve

The record you have in genesis 5:4 in chapters doesn't follow chronological order. It simply means, aside of Cain and Abel, there were many others given birth to that wasn't mentioned. This happened within the whole 800 years of Adam. We were not told d gap intervals at which Adam procreate then, but I believe if someone is procreating at 10 years intervals for 800 years, that will b a lot of children plus he was created an adult, not born by a woman.

obazuwa: This morning my pastor really descended heavily on those that don't pay their Tithes. He went as far as saying that things will be Tight for anybody that does not pay Tithes. And called the person a robber quoting Malachi 3:8, in fact he said a lot of scaring things that would happen to someone not paying Tithes. So pls I want to get advice from friends on this forum. Also to get Bible verses to support your points.

Your pastor is either ignorant or deliberate liar or a thief. There's no bible verse FOR NEW COVENANT CHRISTIANS to tithe but rather Hebrews 7 disannulled the Levitical priesthood that owns the tithe AND TITHE is disannulled with them.

God didn't change the levites to ministry gifts to CONTINUE collecting the tithe. Read Malachi from chapter 2, you will see who God was talking to, NOT CHRISTIANS.

3. Malachi is part of the old covenant and it's NULL AND VOID at the cross of Christ where a new and better covenant began. Tithe is PART OF THAT OLD COVENANT and is also null and void, that's what Hebrews 7 confirmed.

4. Christ has redeemed from the CURSES OF THE LAW, of which Malachi is included and Christ being MADE A CURSE FOR ANYONE who believes in the finished works of the cross. Don't let any man put fear in you or curse you for not tithing, it doesn't work where the blood of Christ speaks. Perfect love cast out fear!

Reyginus: No, you have to. I'm learning a lot from this thread.
Bidam, calm down a bit. Your blood is too hot that it can disintegrate this wonderful topic.

master dele: Many people are afraid to comment because it is a church matter.

Hides in wardrobe while typing

LWKMD!!!

ayobase: Kk

I will still go search though.

This one wey u dey work on Sunday so!

Lolz. I work 7 days a week. Na make pepper for rest well well naw. Lolz

Genesis 5:4 proves Adam had other sonS and daughterS within his 800 years on earth. So read the whole of chapter 5 now.

ayobase: Goshen, back to u pls!
Pls, with scriptural back ups...don't wanna explain this to someone else like a layman!

Okay. Hold on. First, I'm at work. I will give scriptures, slowly and gently though.

ayobase: I am not trying to bring confusion here, but to be sure of something or be convinced. I have always believed that God created Adam and Eve first....but for Cain to have gone to the land of Edon (which means there were MANY people there) to marry a wife for himself.

So, are we saying there have unmentioned multiple proceationS by Adam and Eve before Cain and Abel were mentioned in the Bible?



Pls, u can refer me to the thread that dealt with this cause to read further?...thanks!

Yes, there were MULTIPLE PROCREATIONS by Adam and Eve, names not mentioned and they could have scattered or spread around d earth then.

I'm using my phone now and at work also, can't do much typing at a time. You can click d search of this forum and type "where did Cain married his wife". You should see the thread coming up. If you can't find it, be patient, I will get d thread for you.

SMIG: by sisters u mean children of adam and eve....@ dat time they were only 4 on earth...and after God cursed abel and he pleaded he had this 2 to say'this punishment is too hard, i'll have 2 wander about without a home and just anyone could kill me(meaning there are more humans)' God replied (acknowledging d fact that there are more humans) 'anyone who kills u would be punished seven times worse than i am punishing you, so the lord put a mark on him to warn EVERYONE not to kill him' my question is what does evryone means?...i understand it to mean people dnknw about u?

They were not only four people on earth then, Adam and Eve had MANY other children (males n females) aside Cain n Abel not recorded their names. Try read genesis from chapter 2 forward. I can't do much typing now cos I'm typing from my phone.

SMIG: then who did cain marry oh!!!...dnt change d topic

Cain married from one of his sisters. We have dealt with this topic before on this forum. You can do a search and edify yourself.

@ OP, great job well done by Grace!

SMIG: this had always baffled me for a very long tym...each tym i ask a men of God they just beat around the bush and change the topic

I can teach you by God's grace very well but my problem is time. If you don't mind, we can go slowly at my own pace. Ask questions and I will do the teaching but I don't have much time today o. I have certain time I come on the computer and I have to leave at a certain time to attend to other things. Just leave your questions here and I will attend to them later.

There's no confusion with God but with men. You have to STUDY with understanding. Genesis have two creation record. One was in a bullet form kind of and the other in "how" it was done form kind of. God created ONLY ONE MAN - Eve in ADAM and so, God didn't have to create Eve again but only took her OUT FROM Adam. If they were many God created, why don't God or Adam find Eve from other women?

There is a man I know in the flesh on this forum that teach such heretic teachings that God created many people not only Adam. Such is NOT right! If God created many people, then who sinned first that we all have to be made sinner because the whole nation was IN that ONE MAN?

@ CarCam, the disciple who Jesus loved.

Well done and abundance of Grace.

The Sabbath is part of the ten commandment and like I always say, the law is NULL AND VOID to a new covenant believer. You can't take the Sabbath keeping and leave the rest 9. You have to take the whole. We don't commit adultery; not because the laws in Moses teaching said so but because it is against our new nature in Christ. You need to understand Christianity is NOT an extension of Judaism.

@ Bidam,

I will not bother reply you in detail because I see you're way OFF the topic completely.

@ dead2sin,

Hey, what's sup my brother!

When Grace full get hold of you, you just relax and understand everything had been done for you. You're only invited to come BY FAITH in order to receive what had been freely given. Many church people like to work and EARN something but the New Covenant says, it's already done - that's the revelation that was given to the Apostles. Do you think there should be need for a revelation of the new covenant if Christ already taught everything during his earthly ministry? Christ by authority has MADE us MINISTERS OF THE NEW COVENANT, 2 Corinthians 3:6. Any minister mixing the Old with the New is not a minister of Christ because such is NOT preaching Christ and His finished works, 1 Corinthians 1:23.

dead2sin: @gosh the literal of the new covenant was declared in jeremiah before paul quoted it in hebrew. Could you take it up individually.

In Jeremiah, I'm aware is the first declaration and the promise of what God was going to do in future. When the appointed time came, it was fulfilled by Christ because God never told us HOW He was going to do it in Jeremiah but we understand it was DONE through Christ because Christ said, THIS IS the NEW COVENANT in my blood shed for MANY, no longer Israel alone and so when that blood was shed on the Cross, the wall of the earthly temple was ripped apart and gentiles can NOW come into the covenant (new). So, in Jeremiah, it was a prophesy or promise but in Hebrews, the writer was saying it is fulfilled by quoting what was prophesied.

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There's no preacher under heaven that practice true and pure Grace teaching\gospel without mixing Judaism that will teach tithe\tithing to New Covenant believers. What we see is mixture of true Christianity with Judaism and tithe\tithing favours Judaizer teachers than Grace teachers and from that angle, they make merchandise of church people.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
There are many believers, especially converts from Judaism, who are rebellious. They speak nonsense and deceive people. They must be silenced because they are ruining whole families by teaching what they shouldn't teach. This is the shameful way they make money. Titus 1:10-11

spongeback: Is lying not a sin?

ALL UNrighteousness is sin but . . .