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 Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 10:13pm On Sep 11, 2013 |
obadiah777: 2 peter 3 vs 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. <<< israel was created in righteousness so when israel was created their was righteousness, however from the beginning of creation before israel, the heathens were created in wickedness. so since israel was kicked out of rulership all things continue as they were in wickedness from the beginning of creation. THIS RIGHT HERE IS EMPHATIC PROOF THAT THERE WERE OTHERS CREATED BEFORE 'ADAM'You're making a rubbish of the Holy scriptures! What in that verse says people were created before Adam? Scriptures are explicitly clear and not what you 'adding' into it. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 10:08pm On Sep 11, 2013 |
obadiah777: see debosky and Goshen, yall need to step your bible game up. you cant be reading that fake bible and be expecting to be enlightened. yall need to step up to the real bible, the KJV that isKJV is my best but it has its own flaws too. I can start to point out the KJV flaws to you, you will be shocked! So, I study with KJV and amplify with other translations. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 10:06pm On Sep 11, 2013 |
obadiah777: now i dont know what type of bible you guys are using but in the REAL bible, the KJV that is, there is no such thing as one man in ACTS 17 VS 26The KJV even expose you the more but you think it's to your advantage. Now, is Adam ONE BLOOD from which all nations of men was MADE of or from or NATION OF BLOOD? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 10:01pm On Sep 11, 2013 |
MostHigh: My people perish for lack of knowledge,Without form when the earth FIRST came into existence means it hasn't taken structure, the primeval water it was first at creation. And VOID is what says nothing was made to inhabit the earth yet at the initial FIRST creation. The earth first created was created in initial darkness. This darkness is not spiritual but literal and the light sourced in\from God himself was the light that dispelled the initial darkness before the sun, moon and star was created. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 4:52pm On Sep 11, 2013 |
MostHigh: Are you saying the earth was void of human life before Adam.Then you need tell us or show us from scriptures those created before Adam and the scriptures. Besides, you should answer the question for your brother. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 2:04pm On Sep 11, 2013 |
debosky: Just wait - I am talking about Acts 17:26 now, not Esau and Jacob:Exactly the next question I was gonna bring up. But you see our brother and moderator will never answer that question, him and others will rather turn this into mockery, side talk\laughs and ignore the scriptural reasoning we doing here. He can even say it's allegorical without any bible verse that changed what is LITERAL into allegory. Even Eve was made FROM THIS ONE MAN...so are every humanity and Acts 17:26 is eternally true to that testimony. Everything WITH ITS SEED IN THEM. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 11:33am On Sep 11, 2013 |
obadiah777: yeah like how is it humanly possible for 2 people to become 7 billion in 6000 years. smdh. Goshen needs to be flogged mercilessly with lanyard in a public place, prefarably a market, for spreading heresiesHow humanly possible to have 7 billions from 2 people? Haven't I given you scripture that says exactly that? You make statement without scriptural backups and when u challenged, u said there's none. Thank God you said 'humanly' possible but with God, all things are possible. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 4:57pm On Sep 10, 2013 |
@ Tinybaby, I will respond to your questions later. @ obadiah, You dodging too many points I raised. Please stay focused on the topic. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 4:53pm On Sep 10, 2013 |
obadiah777: there is no need to call them 'NAMES' when it is already specified that they are plenty when he said 'THEM'Was Eve created SEPARATELY or IN ADAM, when Adam was created? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 4:47pm On Sep 10, 2013 |
obadiah777: there are no grounds here. the holy spirit is the teacher. if you have the holy spirit, all will be revealed to you. thats all there is to it. but just so you know you are on the wrong track, let me show you how scripture is writtenThis is one thing you do to spread heretic teachings - you say something and I challenge you to produce scriptural ground on which you said it and you said there's none. How does the holy spirit teach? On assumption? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 4:41pm On Sep 10, 2013 |
obadiah777: i dont understand what you said up there bros, makes no sense. the point is adam is not a man. it is a nation of peopleFirst, you have to start to talk, not as a normal member of this section but as an elevated in position. This is no ground for mockery or insult but scriptural reasoning. 2. Male and female created he them and called their NAME not NAMES, as in plural, ADAM. What does that mean? If it was plenty people created, it will be nameS. (b), Acts 17:26 is therefore destroyed because it says FROM ONE MAN, ONE BLOOD....every humanity was MADE....NOT CREATED. (c), Male and female created he them is and means EVE WAS IN ADAM, she wasn't created separately but took OUT OF HIM, therefore Acts 17:26 is true that EVERY HUMANITY including Eve, came or WAS MADE FROM ONE MAN ADAM. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 4:27pm On Sep 10, 2013 |
obadiah777: A NATION OF PEOPLE is in the womb. and the womb is the earth. its an allegorical story.On what ground of scripture do you make what is LITERAL into ALLEGORICAL? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Old Vs New Covenant - Revelation Of The New Covenant by Goshen360(op): 4:20pm On Sep 10, 2013 |
Bidam: I guess no soul here is willing to respond to my questions.Where is the question again, please? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 4:17pm On Sep 10, 2013 |
obadiah777: being born of a woman does not mean you are not from the ground. dust to dust obadiah777: everything in life, even that in the womb is from the ground. the parent material is from the ground so the subsequent materials being from the parent material are also from the ground. and just so you know, it is not a literal womb that is spoken about in that verse.We gradually getting there. We return to dust or ground is not because we were created from the dust but because we took of the Adamic nature and DEATH CAME BY SIN because ALL HUMANITY sin IN AND THROUGH Adam as ALL HUMANITY was IN ADAM WHEN HE SINNED....that's the APOSTOLIC doctrine. Now, womb is not literal? What context changed the literal meaning from womb to something else? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 4:09pm On Sep 10, 2013 |
obadiah777: a nation of people. esau sounds like one man but he is a nation. jacob sounds like one man but he is a nation of people etc etcWhat Esau and Jacob means being ONE MAN is, out of them each shall spring up NATION of people. Is it NATION (of people) that is one womb or ONE PERSON? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 3:20pm On Sep 10, 2013 |
obadiah777: a nation of people. esau sounds like one man but he is a nation. jacob sounds like one man but he is a nation of people etc etcAre these TWO NATIONS IN A WOMB also created from the ground since you making Adam A NATION OF PEOPLE created from the ground? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 3:18pm On Sep 10, 2013 |
obadiah777: ahhhh Sire the more you see the less you know. the more you perceive the less you comprehend. That book you have with you there called the bible is the most convoluted book ever created. a nation of people can be presented as one man.Adam's name was because he was made or created from the ground. Are you created from the ground or BORN OF A WOMAN? Scripture says ONLY THE FIRST MAN FROM WHICH EVERY HUMANITY CAME was formed from the dust, EVERY OTHER HUMAN WAS BORN BY A WOMAN. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 11:57am On Sep 10, 2013 |
Tgirl4real: As a matter of fact, Acts 17:26 didn't say anything of such. It's only saying everything was planned. Even the Gentiles were in God's plan from the beginning.First, what is called exegesis is often more than that? Every SINGLE scripture can be broken into 2 or more parts depending on how long or how much you want to make out of it. That being said, back to Acts 17:26, how does it say everything was PLANNED without focusing on the first part of that scripture? Look again, (from different translations): Weymouth New Testament He caused to spring from one forefather people of every race, for them to live on the whole surface of the earth, and marked out for them an appointed span of life and the boundaries of their homes; Aramaic Bible in Plain English “And from one blood he made the whole world of humanity to be dwelling on the whole surface of The Earth and he marked out the times in his decrees and set the coasts of the dwelling places of humanity,” NET Bible From one man he made every nation of the human race to inhabit the entire earth, determining their set times and the fixed limits of the places where they would live, International Standard Version From one man he made every nation of humanity to live all over the earth, fixing the seasons of the year and the national boundaries within which they live, Can you explain how EVERYONE was created FROM ONE MAN please? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Old Vs New Covenant - Revelation Of The New Covenant by Goshen360(op): 12:27am On Sep 10, 2013*. Modified: 12:55am On Sep 10, 2013 |
Ihedinobi: My beloved brother Goshen, grace be multiplied to you. As you have given to your brethren to nourish their hearts and help establish them in the Grace of God, so may it be done to you as well.Simply, God is not repeating the laws given to Moses on tablets of stones into our hearts but the laws he was talking about is LAWS OF THE SPIRIT of life....IN CHRIST. That's why I teach, we are not under the laws of Moses BUT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE LAWLESS, WE UNDER THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT. Goshen360: New Living Translation |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Old Vs New Covenant - Revelation Of The New Covenant by Goshen360(op): 10:20pm On Sep 09, 2013 |
kunlejazz: Heb. 8:7 says For if the first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for the secondNew Living Translation When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is NOW out of date and will soon disappear. Hebrews 8:13 New Living Translation He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life. 2 Corinthians 3:6 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: List Of People Going To Hell by Goshen360(m): 10:09pm On Sep 09, 2013 |
Candour: Let me help you list the people going to hell with these conditionsOl Boy e! LWKMD!!!  . . . and rolling on the floor |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 2:22am On Sep 09, 2013 |
Most think that there was only Cain and Abel born to Adam and Eve but the Bible actually teaches that by the time Cain took a wife there were many human beings, that came from Adam and Eve according to Acts 17:26. It's not everything recorded in the Book of Genesis is written in an exact chronological order. The events of Genesis eleven (the Tower of Babel) happened in the middle of chapter 10, chronologically speaking. Genesis 5:4 states, "Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters." Both Adam and Eve driven out of the garden. Genesis 3:23-24. All their offspring were born outside the garden. Gen 5:4 "After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.” The male child born to Adam and Eve after Cain killed Abel was Seth, when Adam was 130 years old. Gen 5:6 Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. Scripture tells us "After he (Adam) begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters." (Gen. 5:4). It also says of Seth "After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters (Gen. 5:7). Daughters are not mentioned Gen.5 the phrase had sons and daughters is the key phrase but the first male born in the family is mentioned by name and also for God to show us the lineage with which the messiah will come, so not all names are necessary. So either Cain got his wife sometime after from Seth's lineage or from Adam and Eves lineage that produced numerous children after they left the garden. We see by the record that there were a number of people by the time Cain killed his brother Abel, Genesis 4:15. Besides these three sons Adam and Eve had many other unnamed sons and daughters.The Bible does not give the exact time period when Cain took his wife. Depending on how much time there was between Cain being married, he either married a distant sister, or if enough time transpired, he could have married his own niece. Marriage to a sister in the early stage of the human race was not considered wrong or unnatural. Even later on Abraham’s wife was his half-sister (Genesis 20:12); also 24:4 and 28:2. God did not prohibit such marriages until the time of Moses when is was specifically stated it was against the law of God according to Lev. 18:9, 18:11, 20:17, and Deut. 27:22. There's simplicity in scriptures even though somethings scripture is silent, then we have to remain silent too. If God through the Apostles said, ALL human race came from Adam and Eve, I don't know of any interpretation that could be given to it other than this. To say God created other people aside Adam and Eve destroys the truth of scriptures. 19 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 1:37am On Sep 09, 2013 |
The OP asked, "Did God Create Some Set Of Males And Females Before Adam And Eve"?. The simple answer is NO. Following the scriptures above, 1 Corinthians 15:45, Adam is the FIRST man (not men) and from Adam, every human race came to be, Acts 17:26. Eve on the other hand is called mother of ALL human race. So, the question of if God created other males and females BEFORE or AFTER Adam and Eve is scriptural nonsense. Because Adam sinned, EVERY HUMAN RACE sinned in and through Adam because every human race was INSIDE of Adam just like Eve was brought out from Adam. Genesis 4:16-17 states, "And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife and she conceived and bare Enoch." The problem which many see is, "With only two boys on earth at that time, where did a woman come from? With just Adam and Eve, Abel’s parents – and Cain his brother, where did a 'woman’ come from? Was there another race of people on earth in a place called `Nod' and Cain went there to get his wife?" This, of course, is not what the Bible says. The problem is, (what it often is), people misquoting the Bible and saying it says what it does not say. The Bible does not say that Cain got his wife in the land of Nod. What it does say is that, in the land of Nod, "Cain knew his wife." Any scholar knows this word "knew" in Scripture has to do with family life, it does not mean "to get acquainted with," but, rather, refers to the begetting of children. As the New International Version renders it, "Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch." And, the Bible does not say that the land of Nod was a far-off country, it merely states that Nod was "east of Eden" All Scripture states in these verses, Genesis 4:16-17, is that Cain took his wife and went to live on the east side of Eden, in a place called "the land of Nod" and, while there, his first child was born. to be continue . . . 11 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 12:16am On Sep 09, 2013 |
I will do a little teaching before I sleep tonight, God willing. Will be right back! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 11:36pm On Sep 08, 2013*. Modified: 12:12am On Sep 09, 2013 |
I have gone to fetch the thread out! Here you have the thread. Please go through it (4) pages: https://www.nairaland.com/943370/where-did-cain-got-wife Again, I know there're heretic teachings that God created many people. Such teachings only destroys the validity of scriptures. New American Standard Bible Now the man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living. Genesis 3:20 New American Standard Bible So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:45 New American Standard Bible and He (God) [size=15pt]made[/size] from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, Acts 17:26 If God created more than Adam and Eve, then Eve is NOT the mother of ALL the living as per the ^ scriptures and Adam will NOT be the first MAN (not MEN) as per creation. I would really love to participate in this topic again. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create People Before Adam And Eve? by Goshen360(m): 10:50pm On Sep 08, 2013 |
^ Ah, aunty mi, e to lo n tele bobo obadiah yen? Anyways, the genealogy traces back to Adam and to God. I will look for thread where we dealt with the Cain wife issues. Give me few minutes, I don finish work for today. I get time for una now...  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Old Vs New Covenant - Revelation Of The New Covenant by Goshen360(op): 10:11pm On Sep 08, 2013 |
We are returning to the SIMPLICITY OF THE GOSPEL OF GRACE and the APOSTOLIC DOCTRINES. Thanks for partaking @ everyone! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "I Vow Not To Sin Again" by Goshen360(m): 10:03pm On Sep 08, 2013 |
Candour: Goshen, I don dey fear you oMy brother, one thing led to my quest and I found an answer to some mysteries of life. If I tell you what's going on behind the scene on this forum, you will open your mouth so tay, butterflies go dey come closer. Anyways, it's just a lesson of life. That's why I stopped entering every thread and I sometimes limited myself to certain activities. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "I Vow Not To Sin Again" by Goshen360(m): 9:25pm On Sep 08, 2013 |
[quote author=do-not-sin]Tell me why you had to make all the choices you make everyday then I might tell you all of mine.Stop derailing & stick to the topic.[/quote]SMH. I'm beginning to know Christians more and more. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christ's Interpretation Of The Law - Pastor W.F. Kumuyi by Goshen360(m): 8:35pm On Sep 08, 2013 |
OLAADEGBU: You have to learn the art of waiting until after the exposition of the Bible Study before you start throwing in your objections.Is okay sir, I will wait then. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "I Vow Not To Sin Again" by Goshen360(m): 8:32pm On Sep 08, 2013 |
[quote author=do-not-sin]How does that bug you.Is that the topic currently being discussed?I opened my I.D same way you opened yours.Is it now sin to open I.D?[/quote]That's not what I'm saying. I just flagged your I.d. in my Microsoft track system. Why do you have to open a new I.d when you already have one just because you don't agree with the OP and you needed to challenge the teaching. You could do that with your same I.d, that's my point. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Old Vs New Covenant - Revelation Of The New Covenant by Goshen360(op): 8:17pm On Sep 08, 2013 |
Gombs:This one wey you my friend dey run leaf us now, I been wan ask you one simple and powerful kweshun o but how you go take answer if you unfollow thread naw? Okay, make I ask anyway. Abraham gave tithe once and you have no scripture the tithe he gave was commanded by God neither was it included in the covenant between him and God. Now, I personally have paid tithe in the past UNCOUNTABLE TIMES, more than Abraham and it doesn't change anything, not making me richer or earn more or less. Can you say by my uncountable tithes that I am a tither having tithe more than once unlike Abraham? |
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