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Joagbaje: That's the only time o. The guy turned discusion into abuse and accused me of collecting tithes from widow saying I'm wicked . And I said he too is eating Gods tithe that's stealing . Referee is supposed to give two of us yellow cards, but your are giving only one person .

O ya, as them don gif you yellow card so, na warning be that naw...

It's a great deal again debating this subject and like my big brother Enigma said, we are actually contending the teaching, not the decision to tithe or not to tithe. After all, whatever any man decides to give is always a certain % of their income. Just like your rent is a certain percent of your income, your gas is a certain percent, your insurance is a certain percent etc etc. So, we are challenging the teaching not the decisions to or not to. Tithing as taught in Christianity today, is a false teaching to Christians.

The bible says the New Covenant IS NOT a continuation of the Old Covenant. Why do our pro tithe brothers pick only tithe out of the Old covenant and enforce it on Christians. You challenge them, they say tithe is BEFORE the law following the Abram's example. Ask them if Abraham was threatened with devourer for not tithing the second time, or if Abram's tithe is included in Abrahamic covenant, they have no answer. Ask them, if we tithe ONCE following the example of Abraham, can it be said we have tithe AFTER the example of Abraham, they don't have answers.

Why do you quote Malachi to argue Abraham's tithe? Know ye not that Malachi's mention of tithe was 'according to the LAW' and what Jesus referenced is tithe 'according to the LAW'. The Law tithing doesn't change - crops and animals. When it is to converted to money, you use the money to BUY WHATEVER YOUR HEART DESIRE AND EAT. How do you eat a thing if it was originally money? God's tithe is NOT money!!!

The Old Covenant is ABOLISHED and we are under the New Covenant of Christ. Tithe is inclusive in the Old Covenant. What Christians are encouraged to do is GIVE, as you have, not by force or being threatened with a curse or devourer. And we don't give BECAUSE we want blessings, we give BECAUSE we're already blessed. That's the difference between the Old and the New. Under the Old, you do SOMETHING, bring tithe and God in RETURN will open the windows of heaven. Under the New, heaven is opened to every believer BECAUSE of what Christ did NOT BECAUSE of OUR DOINGS as those under the law or the Old Covenant. God is never going to send a devourer to a Christian for not tithing, that was for the Law people and under the Old Covenant. That's the BETTER Covenant right there!!!

God2man: Heb 13:4 " Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed UNDEFILED, but the whoremongers and adulterers, God will judge"

How God will judge Premarital se.x and ungodly se.x including the with pregnancy, we do not know, but the Bible says GOD WILL JUDGE.

For more information, you can check my profile, there was a tough argument about a topic, Ungodly se.x.

God bless you.
God2man.







God bless you.
God2man.

God2man: Heb 13:4 " Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed UNDEFILED, but the whoremongers and adulterers, God will judge"

How God will judge Premarital se.x and ungodly se.x including the with pregnancy, we do not know, but the Bible says GOD WILL JUDGE.

For more information, you can check my profile, there was a tough argument about a topic, Ungodly se.x.

God bless you.
God2man.







God bless you.
God2man.

Again, out of context scripture!!!

Pastor Kun: How is this a definition of God's tithes Even a stark illiterate knows better what it means to define than this.

You just know Bidam? You asked him to define or how God defined His tithe, the wayo man dey quote Malachi. That's why he failed Jamb like 10times...

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Let the EXPOSITION begin....right now!!!

Bidam: Yes,why not who is stopping you not to give a tenth of your substance?

Wayo man!!! Did the question say "substance" or "provision, garri etc etc"?

Enigma: Can that "tithe" be provisions, milk, gari, goats, egusi, spinach etc etc?

Egbon, kilode te n fi question yi le awon people yi kiri? Question kan na la t'aaro. Ekini lo, lo dahun question na. Ekeji lo, lo dahun question na. Eketa lo, lo dahun. Won ti mo ibi ti question yen n lo o.

OLAADEGBU: I said what stops you from tithing your time, treasure and talent. What part of that don't you understand?

OLAADEGBU: If I do will you acknowledge that you are a false prophet?

OLAADEGBU: I also repeat my question that you evaded again; What stops you from tithing your time, treasure and talent?

@ Enigma,

You see, I told you. Olaadegbu, will NEVER EVER answer the question.

Smh!!!

Enigma: Are you also saying that "tithe" does not have to be money?

Can a person "tithe" e.g. books, goats, gari, spinach, milk, egusi etc etc etc?

Olaadegbu will NEVER answer this question. Watch it, he will NEVER!!! And if he tries to, he will either go off the line the question asked or twist the line of question TO SOMETHING ELSE.

Watch it, if you don't believe me!!!

OLAADEGBU: Are you saying that Jesus should have condemned the poor widow who gave her all when she dropped her two mites into the treasury in (Mark 12:41-44)?

I don't need to continue responding to your pharisical hypocrisy any more. Was it TITHE the widow gave?

I fast G3522 twice G1364 in the week, G4521 I give tithes G586 of all G3956 that G3745 I possess. G2932 - Luke 18:12

The word, 'possess' in the Greek is the Greek numbering style (for word study) # G2932. It is the word, ktaomai, a verb (an action word) and it means, to acquire, get, or procure a thing for one's self, to possess, to marry a wife.

For reference to Online Concordance, find it here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2932&t=KJV

It never meant or included 'income' as some will have us believe. Of all that I possess - YOUR WIFE or HUSBAND inclusive, do you tithe your wife or husband. Ah, I forgot, another one said, "he tithe his prayer, time, studying the word etc". I'm very sure he tithe his bathing too.

And the word tithe in that verse is the Greek word, apodekatoō, also a verb and it means, to give, pay a tithe of anything; to exact receive a tenth from anyone.

Therefore, put these two word meanings back into the context or verse and it reads thus:

I fast twice in the week, I give tithes give, pay a tithe of anything; exact receive a tenth from anyone of all that I possess acquire, get, or procure for myself, possess, a wife.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Luk&c=18&v=12&t=KJV&ss=0#s=991012

Glory to God!!!

DrummaBoy: @Goshen 360

Pls I sent you a PM. Have you seen it?

I didn't see it ooo. Email me directly naw.

Thank God that heretic called a moderator, Obadiah777 and his new handle, Mr. President plus MostHigh are being exposed and refuted in the face\light of scriptures day-by-day on this forum.

debosky: Dang, so I can only collect 1%.

Oh wait. . . .which tithes is Jesus supposedly collecting now? Is it the tithe of tithes or the entire 10%?

Ah I see, since we are all priests and Jesus is the high priest, and we now see that the high priest collects no tithes from priests that equals zero. But if we are all Levites and only some are priests, then those who are priests should collect the tithe of tithes we the Levites receive from the other Israelites. . . .but who are the other Israelites today then? Abeg can someone explain? I am confused.

Oh, but if we are Levites, we've also paid our tithes in Abram's loins haven't we?

Chei, tithe merchants bursted and exposed. Hehehe!!!

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Image123 BURSTED & EXPOSED!!!

debosky: When it suits the desired viewpoint, look: Jesus did so and so; when it doesn't, adapt accordingly. Lol

I just love the systematic delivery of yours, exposing their hypocrisy. We, anti tithers, have given them enough proof but their falsehood will never allow them see the truth.

Alwaystrue: Hmmmmmm, and to think the Levitical priesthood was still in effect while Jesus was physically on earth. Why would Jesus want to receive tithe then when his priesthood was yet to arise? Afterall the only other person who received tithe from Abraham was Melchisedek the priest.
And there was no scripture where Christ worked for a material harvest when He started His ministry so on what would He tithe? Infact I see no scripture where He gave offerings during His ministry yet He sat close enough to see the widow put in her offering and commended her but ofcourse no one has issues with offerings. Lol.

Thank God that heretic called a moderator, Obadiah777 and his new handle, Mr. President plus MostHigh are being exposed and refuted in the face\light of scriptures day-by-day on this forum.

christemmbassey: Mathew 23:13-23 woe unto you joe and image123, hypopocrites, for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men.........14woe unto you joe and image123, hypocrites, for ye DEVOUR WIDOW HOUSES and for pretence make long prayer.......15. Woe unto you joe and image123, hypocrites, for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of HELL than yourselves. 16. Woe unto you, yeblind guides, ..... 17. Ye fools and blind,...., 23 Woe unto you,joeagbaje and Bidam, image123, hypocrites, "woe unto you, Joeagbaje and Image123, hypocrites, for ye pay tithes of N and $ and £ and have omitted the weightier matter of the law.....24. Ye blind guides, which strain out a gnat and swallow a CAMEL. 25. Woe unto you, joe, image, Bidam, Ola, Alwaystrue, hypocrites, for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the plater, but WITHIN THEY ARE FULL OF EXTORTION AND EXCESSES.... .. I like this latest translation o, Goshen what do u think? .

Very excellent translation. This is exactly what I have been trying to tell these people especially Image123. If he and others especially Alwaystrue and Bidam believes Christ was talking to him in all the WOES AND HYPOCRITES scriptures, then this translation PERFECTLY FIT HIM AND THOSE WHO SAY CHRIST WAS TALKING TO THEM. And there should be no offense because they agreed Christ was talking to them.

I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this translation and the translatOR.

This translation should be publish immediately!!!

Image123: What Jesus told Peter applies to everyone. It teaches us not to be presumptous and to be watchful and prayerful. Satan desires to bring down every believer.


What Jesus told the man on the cross applies to us all.It teaches us that if we believe in Him, we will be with Him in paradise. This is a universal truth that the thief on the left missed. He must have thought Jesus' words did not apply to him.


What Jesus said to the samaritan woman applies to all. Anyone anywhere who is married to a fifth man and living with him is not livin with her husband. This shuld be kinderaten bible knowledge. How do you manage to miss this,yu are only looking for where Jesus, sorry Paul gves commands that you can obey, you are seekin to be under the law albeit new testament.


Hebrews 7:8 talks of someone that is currently receivin tithe, that has got to be Jesus.


Jesus said to TEACH all things whtsover He has commanded, but you say not every word of Jesus should be taught. The good news is that Jesus is my Lord, not you.

The same interpretation, you give to Matthew 23:23. I have been telling you that for long. Imagine Jesus in Matthew 23:23 talking to HIS CHURCH, APOSTLES AND DISCIPLE and declaring WOE on them, calling the church, apostles and disciples HYPOCRITES. Image123, you insulting the church of Christ, even Christ that died for his church never used those words on the church.

What was said to Peter was said to him in an event that will take place and had taken place. What was said to the thief was TODAY, YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE. Does that mean if you believe, the SAME DAY (TODAY) you will be with the lord? What was said to the Samaritan, was because she had five husband...do you have 5 wives? She wasn't born again and filled with the Spirit to start with.

Jesus, is the mediator of the NEW COVENANT that took effect AFTER his death. What you see happening in Matthew to John is the mediator writing HIS WILL AND TESTAMENT BY HIS TEACHINGS...not that every word coming out of his mouth BECOMES a TEACHING. Jesus spoke to demons, are you a demon to follow what was said to demon by Christ?

You have been refuted by debosky and others here on Hebrew 7:8 many times. I don't have the strength to fuss with you on this aspect. Your mind is made up already.

Commandment means different things in the Greek. When Jesus said to TEACH whatsoever he commanded is exactly where his will and TEACHINGS written under THE LAW are taught and revealed in the new testament AFTER HIS DEATH. That's the new covenant!!!

Image123: What is that one question again? i thought you were thinking, dear.

Forget it, if you can't get my question from my first comment. I'm not gonna keep fussing with you. At all, you don't always answer my questions. Enjoy your day.

Image123: Keep thinking.Very soon, you will see the light.

What threatens you whenever questions are asked? Just a question I asked, you have become hyper. If you feel a leader's teaching cannot be question, keep that to yourself, because here, we can question and challenge any act or teachings.

If you can't answer the questions I asked, just ignore me. I didn't ask question to mock him but to affirm the truth of what he believes, teaches and professes.

Image123: :Hahahahahahahaha, they should be so ashamed now. People have insulted Christ, insulted us, insulted Bible versions and thse who sacrificed their life, time, intellect and visions to give us translations, all because of tithe. Someone actually said we should not listen to all the words of Jesus, he must be joking right?

Yes, I am the one that said the above!!! Jesus said to Peter, you will deny me three times, does that apply to you or to Christians...just because it is the words of Christ coming out the mouth of Christ? Jesus said to the thief, TODAY you will be with me in paradise, does that apply to you? Jesus said to the woman at the well, the man u NOW LIVE WITH is not your husband. Does that apply to you?

By now, you should be ashamed of saying certain things on this forum. The same way we showed you hebrews 7:8 from many translations and yet, you, in your lies, said it was JESUS that receive or receiveth or whatever you call it, tithe from Abraham, instead of melchizedek.

Rightly dividing the word is know what was said and to whom it was said at every dispensation. When I said that, I meant, not every word that came out of the mouth of our Lord came out as a TEACHING.

^ I'm not a hater but I thought he said he wanted to resign because of his son's issue then. Is that true he said he was going to resign? Besides, does Kumuyi still hold the teaching or doctrine of "no watching tv for Christians"? If he does, why is he on tv then?

^ Thanks for that question. One thing is very clear, one must be a good study of the word especially the epistles of Paul to really understand Paul's teaching through the Holy Spirit and careful word study, then you can pull out the sword of the Spirit in the right interpretation.

That being said, Paul is not referencing the the law to enforce the law and its dictates on Christians while he refutes the law teachers. Wherever you see Paul reference the law, check the context, he will always establish the new covenant stand or the Grace through faith aspect of such teachings.

Back to your question: What Paul is saying is, there're two groups of people in the church of Christ. 1, The Jews. 2, The Gentiles. The Gentiles are you and I who are not born Jewish by birth or in national Israel. These two groups of people are ONE because of what Christ had done.

The Jews are the ones God gave the Law to and the first covenant belongs to them. The Gentiles never had the law nor are they part of the first covenant.

King James Bible
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Romans 2:14

Here Paul, the Apostles says, the Gentiles, you and I, DO NOT HAVE THE LAW but yet, we do things written in the law...THEN WE ARE A LAW UNTO OURSELVES.

Glory to God. What he's saying is, you don't need the law to tell you to obey\honour your father and mother even though the law of Moses said so but you're doing so out of natural instinct and through the Holy Spirit in you, even though on the other side, it was said so in the law. By referencing the law of Moses as per obeying and honouring mother\father is a supportive line for his teachings or argument. That's why you will often read Paul making statements like, "Doesn't the LAW say the SAME thing"? I will do another teaching on that topic someday soon.

I hope this answered your question.

Image123: You for just show us where they were commanded not to tithe na. So you are implying that the poor and widow are not to tithe agric produce too?

Joagbaje: The bible only gave alternative for offerings. There's offerings for the poor. But tithes , anyone earning income tithes. Maybe I haven't seen the exemption , kindly show me

I will soon show two of una where poor and widows are exempted from tithing. So una no know this little things and yet y'all arguing for tithe or you might know but closing your eyes to that truth.



SMH.

Joagbaje: You show me where they were exempted.

So you don't know the poor are exempted from tithing?

Joagbaje: Everyone income earners gave tithes, tithe is tithe



Tithe does not belong to the pastor . Most pastors have their own job and businesses . And they are tithers.



It's a failed fight. Has anything changed ? Some of us were once like you .

SIR,

Can you show us from the word of God where the poor and widows are commanded to tithe ?

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Say it as it is,

THE POOR AND WIDOWS ARE NOT COMMENDED TO TITHE BUT TO BENEFIT FROM THE TITHE. HOWEVER, THE TITHE MERCHANTS OF OUR DAYS WILL TELL POOR PEOPLE LIVING BELOW $2 A DAY AND WIDOWS TO TITHE ....SO THEY CAN BECOME BLESSED!!!

We shall fight this good fight of freedom till the end.

Image123: Abraham never denied ownership of the spoils of war. He only said he had made a vow not to touch anything of Sodom. He didn't give tithe of the things f Sodom. One may not even notice that he brought spoils of war until one sees it in hebrew7. However these are common place happenings in battles everywhere till date as i have previously explained. He spoiled four kings, this is plain you do not even need to be told. [size=15pt]He gave tithes of all, all being the spoils of war.[/size]

Image123: Tithe is tithe. It is theologians that split it but tithe remains valid before God as a tenth in any dispensation. Jesus or the writer to the Hebrews did not talk about any difference, they just talked about tithe, and they never made a ministry or calling out of the issue, neither did they ever speak against the practice. i tire for this another gospel of thou shall not tithe. Sure, its a form of good news for the tight fisted, but it desn't add anything of worth to anyone that is bought.

christemmbassey: bros, i do this anti-tithe thing not only on Nl but like MTN everywhere i go, just last monday on my way to Aba from Calabar ppl were reading sm verses 6f d bible 4 d 1st time, those verses d tithe collectors will wish to cut off, n one tithe collector was so mad with me but others were kind of relieved, one pastor dat used to invite me to minister has stop calling me and my former pastor's wife threatened her pastors with excommunication if they ever interacted with me. Sm avoid me like a plague , its not easy but d work must b done.

As if we both in the Spirit.

Like last month, a lady was in front of me to get money from the ATM, here in the States, from Bank of America. As if the Spirit motivated me to say something to her and I started by jokes that, she wants to get money to enjoy her weekend right?

Lo and behold, she said no, she wanted to get money from ATM to PAY her tithe.

First, I asked if her is a Christian, have believed Christ as Lord and saviour, she said yes. Then I started my mysteries. I asked her since she's been paying tithe, what has changed in her life and finances? She said nothing, same job, same challenges, no better blessings but debt etc. I laughed and said, what then made her believe it is by paying tithe that makes "windows of heaven open to her and God will pour out BLESSINGS on her"?

I opened her understanding, that Christians are not bound by any law to PAY continuously monthly tithe but are required to give as they purpose in their heart. I told her go home and study numbers 18 and Hebrews 7 where tithe and tithing was abolished. I gave her my contact if she have further questions.

Few weeks later, she called and asked questions from Hebrews 7 and I did my mysteries again, explaining step-by-step to her, lo and behold, she screamed on the phone, she's delivered!!!

Alas!!! One tithe captives is set free. One of us anti tither shall chase a thousand, two of us shall chase ten thousand.