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 Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 5:23pm On Feb 05, 2025 |
The facts here cannot be denied. Jesus is God, and not man. He's not an angel either. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 4:37pm On Feb 05, 2025 |
Let no man deceive you! Jesus is not angel Michael. He is not a mere prophet. He's God. This is not the time to be true to a religion or to some organizations. Be true to your own soul. Feed your soul with Truth. Not lies in the name of of religion. Do not sacrifice your soul or your eternity for a religion that does not save. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: On The Origin of Evil by GothamCities: 4:33pm On Feb 05, 2025 |
LordReed:SMH. If you really know how you sound uttering those ignorant words. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: On The Origin of Evil by GothamCities: 4:02pm On Feb 05, 2025 |
TheDevilsBride:There's a reason you guys talk the same way, reason the same way and respond to atheistic criticisms the same way, even though you have no common assembly... it's because you're being ruled by the same spirit. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 3:20pm On Feb 05, 2025 |
I heard a Jehovah Witness (Janosky, I suppose) arguing that Jesus is an angel because Angels are messengers sent by God on errands. And since Jesus confessed that He was sent by God, then, He must be an angel. He inadvertently ignored the fact that God sends His Word. In Isaiah 55:11, God said 'My Word will not return until me void until it has accomplished what I sent it to do.' When Jesus accomplished the work God sent Him to do, He said on the cross "It is finished!" Psalm 107:20, God sends His Word and it heals them. Jesus, the Word of God went about healing all (Acts 10:38). John 1:1 says Jesus is the Word of God, not an angel. Revelation 19:12-13 says His name is "The Word of God", not angel Michael. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 1:04pm On Feb 05, 2025 |
My Word to You the Reader I don't know whom you are, whether Christian, Muslim, Atheist or Pagan, I see the need to resound this warning to you. Jesus is not an angel. He is not a mere messenger or prophet. He is not just an historical entity. Jesus is God's Gift of Himself to you. He came to pay man's spiritual debts. By the spiritual laws enacted by God, only man can pay man's debts. Nobody else can pay for man. It is just the law, and God Himself CAN NEVER BREAK HIS OWN LAW. God is too pure and too righteous to break even His own law for any reason. Man must pay His debts to be redeemed from eternal damnation which came as a result of the spiritual transaction that happened in Eden. Since man cannot pay, it means the entire human race is doomed. God's plan of creation is therefore ruined. Only God has the power to save man but God cannot break His law. He, in His love for man therefore had to become a man to pay man's debt so that man can be saved. This is the mystery of salvation: “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” — 1 Timothy 3:16. John 3:16 [b']For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.'[/b] An angel or mere prophet cannot grant you everlasting life. An angel or mere prophet has no life to give. Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. No angel can ever be the Resurrection and the Life of anybody. Jesus is the Bread of Life. The very source of Life itself. No angel can ever be the source of Life for anybody. In Jesus was Life, and the Life was the Light of the world. All you need to do to be saved is just to say a simple word of Prayer: "Lord Jesus, I believe you gave your life for me. On Calvary, you paid my debts and brought me into Eternal Life with God. Today, I ask for the forgiveness of my sins and receive your Gift of Salvation. I invite you right now into my life. Be the Lord of my life from now on and for all eternity. Thank you Lord Jesus for saving me. Now I know that I am born again." It's just as simple as that. A new dawn will light upon your soul, You will feel the fresh breeze of Heaven blowing upon you, and the Holy Ghost giving you the assurance of salvation. You are now a new born babe in God's Kingdom. Find a Bible to read consistently for your spiritual food that you may grow. Join a Bible believing Church where the new flames of God in you can be fanned until you become a terror to the inferior kingdom of darkness. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 1:02pm On Feb 05, 2025*. Modified: 3:19pm On Feb 05, 2025 |
Let's look also at Meta AI. My Meta AI Query 1: Let's examine John 16:27-28 together. Response to Query 1: Let's dive into John 16:27-28 together. John 16:27-28 says: "For the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God. I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father." What would you like to explore or discuss about this passage?[ My Query 2: I want to look at the Greek word that says "I came forth from The Father" Meta AI''s Response to Query 2: The Greek phrase you're referring to is "ἐξῆλθον παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (exēlthon para tou Patros). Let's break it down: - "Ἐξῆλθον" (exēlthon) is the verb, which means "I came forth" or "I came out". It's in the first person singular, indicating that Jesus is speaking about himself. - "Παρὰ" (para) is a preposition that means "from" or "beside". In this context, it indicates the origin or source of Jesus' coming. - "Τοῦ Πατρός" (tou Patros) means "of the Father" or "from the Father". The genitive case indicates possession or origin. So, when we put it all together, "ἐξῆλθον παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (exēlthon para tou Patros) indeed means "I came forth from the Father". What's your next question about this phrase? My Query 3: Does it mean that Jesus had His origin from within the Father Himself? Meta AI's Response to Query 3: You're digging deeper into the theology of Jesus' statement. The phrase "ἐξῆλθον παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (exēlthon para tou Patros) suggests a very intimate and intrinsic relationship between Jesus and the Father. In this context, "ἐξῆλθον" (exēlthon) implies a coming forth from within, rather than just from a location or a source. This verb is often used in Jewish literature to describe a coming forth from within a person or a thing. So, when Jesus says "I came forth from the Father," He's indicating that His origin, His essence, and His being are all intimately connected with the Father. It's as if He's saying, "I came forth from within the Father Himself." This language echoes the concept of eternal generation, which is a theological idea that describes the Father's eternal begetting of the Son. It's a mysterious and complex concept, but essentially, it means that Jesus has always existed as the Son of the Father, and His origin is within the Father Himself. What are your thoughts on this? My Query 4 to Meta AI: Does it mean that Jesus was talking about coming forth from the Father's Heaven as a location? Meta AI's Response to My Query 4: You're offering an alternative interpretation. In this view, "ἐξῆλθον παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (exēlthon para tou Patros) could be understood as Jesus saying, "I came forth from the Father's heavenly realm" or "I came forth from the Father's presence in heaven." This interpretation emphasizes Jesus' pre-existent state in heaven with the Father before He came to earth. It's as if He's saying, "I left the Father's heavenly realm to come into the world." This understanding is plausible, especially considering other passages that describe Jesus' pre-existent state and His coming from heaven (e.g., John 1:1-14, Philippians 2:5-11). However, the phrase "παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (para tou Patros) still suggests a deeper, more intimate relationship between Jesus and the Father than just a physical location. What do you think about this interpretation? My Query 5 to Meta AI: Explain further Meta AI's Response to My Query 5: Let's break down the phrase "παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" (para tou Patros) further. "Παρὰ" (para) is a Greek preposition that can be translated as "from," "beside," or "in the presence of." In this context, it indicates the origin or source of Jesus' coming. "Τοῦ Πατρός" (tou Patros) means "of the Father" or "from the Father." The genitive case "τοῦ Πατρός" suggests a possessive or relational connection between Jesus and the Father. When combined, "παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός" emphasizes Jesus' intimate relationship with the Father. It's not just a statement about physical location (i.e., coming from heaven) but also highlights Jesus' divine origin and connection to the Father. In this sense, Jesus is saying that He came forth from the Father's presence, authority, and essence. This phrase underscores the deep, mystical bond between Jesus and the Father, which is central to John's Gospel. Does this help clarify the meaning of "παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός"?
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| Christianity Etc › Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses by GothamCities(op): 10:19am On Feb 05, 2025*. Modified: 1:02pm On Feb 05, 2025 |
Jesus Clearly Declared His Origin - A Shocker For Muslims And Jehovah Witnesses Jehovah Witnesses have always claimed that Jesus is Angel Michael while the Muslims claim that Jesus is just a mere messenger like any other. However, while studying the Scriptures of recent, I discovered that Jesus actually declared His origin. Therefore, all these arguments about who Jesus is are practically unnecessary. In a previous thread, I have showed from Malachi 5:2 that Jesus is from Everlasting according to the scriptures. That is to say, He is from the eternal past. He has no beginning. You can take a look at the thread here: https://www.nairaland.com/8308122/ot-verse-strongly-proves-jesus. In this new thread, we are going to further establish the Divinity of Jesus from His own Words taken from John 16:27-28. After making my deap research on the verses, I took my time with Chatgpt and Meta AI to further clarify my findings. Hence, I would just allow the two AIs to speak on this thread because I have seen that so many are very much averse to the truth. They reject he truth when it is shown to them even in plain sight. I hope these haters of truth would find solace in arguing with AIs this time around. The AIs broke down the verses and provided in-depth explanations of the Greek words used by Jesus in John 16:27-28: First, let us take a look at ChatGPT. My Query: Let's take a look at John 16:27-28. I want to see the full meaning and import of Jesus' statements in that verse about Him coming forth from the Father. Examine the Greek words used in the sentences of these verses to see whether Jesus said He came forth from the Father in terms of Heaven as a location where the Father dwells or in terms of essence and origination from within the Father Himself. Response from ChatGPT John 16:27-28 states: - 27 "For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.' - 28 "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father." To fully grasp the meaning of Jesus' words, we need to examine the Greek text and analyze the key terms. Greek Analysis of John 16:27-28 1. John 16:27 – "ἐγὼ γὰρ ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐξῆλθον" - ἐκ (ek) – "out of," "from within," "proceeding from" - τοῦ Θεοῦ (tou Theou) – "of God" or "from God" - ἐξῆλθον (exēlthon) – "I came forth," "I went out" 2. John 16:28 – "ἐξῆλθον ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ ἐλήλυθα εἰς τὸν κόσμον" - ἐξῆλθον (exēlthon) – "I came forth" - ἐκ (ek) τοῦ Πατρός (tou Patros) – "out of the Father" - καὶ ἐλήλυθα (kai elēlytha) – "and have come" - εἰς τὸν κόσμον (eis ton kosmon) – "into the world" 3. John 16:28 (last part) – "πάλιν ἀφίημι τὸν κόσμον καὶ πορεύομαι πρὸς τὸν Πατέρα"** - πάλιν (palin) – "again" - ἀφίημι (aphiēmi) – "I leave" - τὸν κόσμον (ton kosmon) – "the world" - καὶ πορεύομαι (kai poreuomai) – "and I go" - πρὸς τὸν Πατέρα (pros ton Patera) – "to the Father" Interpretation of Jesus' Words 1. "I came forth from the Father" – A Statement of Divine Origin? - The use of ἐκ τοῦ Πατρός (ek tou Patros, "out of the Father"  in John 16:28 strongly implies that Jesus is speaking of something more than just a change in location. - The preposition ἐκ (ek) typically denotes origin, source, or derivation from within something, rather than merely departure from a place. - This suggests that Jesus is referring to an ontological or essential coming forth from the Father rather than merely stating that He came from a place called Heaven. 2. Comparison with John 8:42 – "I proceeded forth and came from God - In John 8:42, Jesus says, ἐγὼ γὰρ ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐξῆλθον καὶ ἥκω", meaning "I came forth from God and have come." - The verb ἐξῆλθον (exēlthon) is used again, as in John 16:27-28, reinforcing the idea of proceeding out of God's very being, not merely coming from a location. 3. Theological Implication – Eternal Generation of the Son - The Greek phrase ἐκ τοῦ Πατρός aligns with the doctrine of the eternal generation of the Son in classical Christian theology. - This doctrine teaches that the Son is eternally begotten of the Father, meaning He derives His divine essence from the Father but was never created. - This aligns with John 1:1-2, where it is said that "the Word was with God, and the Word was God," and John 1:14, "the Word became flesh." 4. "I leave the world and go to the Father" – Speaking of His Ascension - The second part of John 16:28, "I leave the world and go to the Father, refers to His physical return to the Father through His ascension after completing His work on earth. - Here, "πρὸς τὸν Πατέρα" (pros ton Patera, "to the Father" suggests movement toward a person rather than emphasizing origin. Conclusion: Location or Essence? - The use of ἐκ (ek) in "ἐξῆλθον ἐκ τοῦ Πατρός" suggests that Jesus is emphasizing His eternal relationship to the Father rather than simply stating that He came from Heaven as a location. - The language fits within the larger Johannine theme of Jesus being the eternal Son who is of the same essence as the Father (John 1:1, John 10:30). - Therefore, Jesus' statement in John 16:28 is not just about geographical departure from Heaven but about His divine origin from the Father Himself. Above are the words of ChatGPT quoted verbatim. AI is the go-to-tool for in-depth research and information gathering even in Academia nowadays. If you disparage the information provided by AI simply because it doesn't align with your doctrines, you're simply ignorant. Now, check the next post for responses on the same topic from Meta AI.
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| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 6:32pm On Feb 04, 2025*. Modified: 7:01pm On Feb 04, 2025 |
Janosky:As long as the questions asked are already answered in your heart. It's no issue. Your limited understanding of what Jesus is saying does not change the fact that Jesus cannot be an angel. Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. An angel can never be the Resurrection and the Life of anybody. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 10:02am On Jan 31, 2025 |
Janosky:I believe you have answered my questions in your heart. If Jesus is not God, then by all indications, you worship two gods while I worship only one God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 8:36am On Jan 30, 2025 |
Janosky, let's take a closer look at our discussion about the Trinity. For example, I know we have a common ground regarding the New Creation doctrine. You and I believe that there's a new heaven and a new earth in our future which shall be inhabited by the New Creation as the Old Creation shall pass away. Please understand that God is the only Creator, He created the first Creation. Do you think that God will put the second Creation into the hands of an angel? No, God will do it Himself. Both the first and second creations are God's personal undertakings. Hence, as the first Creation was not undertaken by an angel, even so the second creation, which is a correction of the corrupted and old creation cannot be entrusted to an angel. God has to do it by Himself, and this time in the form called Jesus Christ. Again, take a look at some of Jesus' words and have your own individual reflection at them, you would conclude that an angel cannot talk the way Jesus talks. Take for example, His discourse in John 6. Maybe you can go through the whole chapter again and reflect on the possibility of the speaker being an angel. It would be repulsive to your spirit. Let me highlight verses 50 and 51 as an illustration. "This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." Can you imagine any angel being the Living Bread or the Bread of Life? It's not possible. The only Life Source in the entire universe is God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 7:28am On Jan 30, 2025*. Modified: 8:43am On Jan 30, 2025 |
Janosky:No, i believe you don't understand what Steep and DaddyCool are saying. There's only one God. His name in the Old Testaments is Jehovah. His name in the New Testament is Jesus, and in the world to come, He'll still have a new name. The reason you have troubles is that you're a man and cannot fathom how God can be one Person and three Persons at the same time. It's beyond the scope of your understanding. And that is rightly so. If your God can be explained, he is most likely a man like you. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 7:23am On Jan 30, 2025 |
Janosky:Jesus never said He can't bear titles His God didn't give Him. You yourself know you lied. The thing is that the Bible attributes the same titles God have, also to Jesus. If Jabisky claims that two different people are having those titles , then, janosky has two Gods. But if the titles Belong to One Person, then, the two seemingly different people are not two, but the selfsame person. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 2:36pm On Jan 29, 2025*. Modified: 9:51pm On Jan 29, 2025 |
Janosky:Geneva Bible does not speak for all Trinitarians. It does speak for itself. The question I must ask you is, did Gotham tell Janosky he worships two persons? I have in my previous post given you all the titles of God which are also borne by Jesus. Only God has those titles. Since there are no two Gods. Only one God. If Jesus bears the same titles as God, then Jesus is God. This poses a problem to you folks because if Jesus bears the same titles as God. I mean the titles only God bears, and Janosky says Jesus is not God, then, janosky actually has two Gods. It seems your organization first picked your heretic teaching of Jesus being angel Michael from the Geneva Bible. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 1:23pm On Jan 28, 2025*. Modified: 1:05pm On Jan 29, 2025 |
Janosky:Trinitarians actually don't agree that Jesus is angel Michael. This is falsehood . All the scriptures I quoted in which the word proskuneo (worship) appeared both for God and Jesus already settled the matter. Who is the Everlasting Father? Who is the Beginning and the Ending? Who is the Ancient of Days? God, isn't it? Jesus also goes by all those titles. God and Jesus is the same Person. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 7:53pm On Jan 26, 2025 |
Janosky:It has nothing to do with trinitarians. Jesus is not angel Michael. The Scriptures themselves say Jesus is Everlasting Father and Mighty God. Proskuneo is the same word translated worship in Luke 24:52 and Mathew 28:17 where Jesus was worshipped by the disciples as He ascended. "Proskuneo" (προσκυνέω) is the same word used in several Bible verses in direct reference to worshiping God. Here are a few examples: Matthew 4:10: Jesus says, "You shall worship (proskuneo) the Lord your God, and serve Him only." Matthew 15:9: Jesus quotes Isaiah 29:13, saying, "And in vain they worship (proskuneo) Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." John 4:20-24: Jesus discusses worship with the Samaritan woman, saying, "The hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship (proskuneo) the Father in spirit and truth." Revelation 19:10 and 22:9: The apostle John falls down to worship (proskuneo) an angel, but the angel tells him to worship (proskuneo) God instead. These verses demonstrate that "proskuneo" is indeed used in reference to worshiping God in the Bible, and its the same word used in worshipping Jesus in Mathew 28:17, Luke 24:52 and Hebrews 1:6. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 7:10pm On Jan 26, 2025 |
Janosky:You're not getting it. The word is more translated worship as I have explained. However, even homage itself is another form of worship. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 3:08pm On Jan 26, 2025*. Modified: 3:27pm On Jan 26, 2025 |
Janosky:The Greek word translated worship is προσκυνήσω. It means worship or homage but its major use is 'worship'. The Greek word προσκύνησις also means worship and homage but its major use is homage. If homage was intended for Hebrews 1:6, the word in that verse would be προσκύνησις and not προσκυνήσω But since προσκυνήσω is the word used, the most accurate translation is worship. "...let all the angels of God προσκυνήσω (worship) Him." This is Hebrews 1:6. "...let all.the angels of God προσκύνησις (homage) Him." This is not Hebrews 1:6. That verse also shows Jesus is not angel Gabriel. "...let all the angels of God worship Him." If Jesus was an angel, then, the verse would read: "...let the all the remaining angels worship Him " or '...let all other angels worship Him." In conclusion, please note that homage itself is a form of worship. Deuteronomy 5:9 and Exodus 20:5 actually forbids Israelites from bowing down, paying homage or doing obeisance to any other entity except God. This is the reason why Mordecai didn't do obeisance or pay homage to Haman. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 2:56pm On Jan 26, 2025 |
Janosky:Jesus was worshipped in many parts of scripture. The Trinity has existed before the Catholics. It's not a Catholic thing. Hebrews 1:6 is not the only place where Jesus is worshipped. Jesus is worshipped because He is the Everlasting, the Might God. The Prince of Peace. As for the increase of this government, there is no end. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 2:53pm On Jan 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:God is that One Person who should be worshipped. He is the same Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He is the one God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 2:52pm On Jan 26, 2025 |
Janosky:Janosky doesn't birth himself. Any being that janosky births is a creature. Stop deceiving yourself. |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 9:51am On Jan 26, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:That verse has no error. That's all. I won't add any other thing about your illusion about the worshippers of Trinity. You're very dishonest, to detail the discussion, you'll cut off the part that nails the truth and quote only the part that you want to use as derailment. You're not truthful at all. I dislike such personalities. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 10:34pm On Jan 25, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:This particular verse has no error. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 6:51pm On Jan 25, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse: 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 1:46pm On Jan 25, 2025 |
gohf:If you give birth to a child, would the child be a human or a goat? God can only birth God. Don't be confused. The Spirit that overshadowed Mary was the Spirit of God, not of man. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 1:42pm On Jan 25, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:The word you translated 'obeisance' is proskynēsatōsan. According to Greek Interlinear and Bible Dictionary, the word means "worship". No need to argue with you on this. You hate the truth. No amount of evidence will stop you from self deceit. I'll just ignore you outright. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 6:15pm On Jan 24, 2025 |
gohf:Jesus is the Firstborn, the Foundation of all creations. Not just the earth. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 5:51pm On Jan 24, 2025 |
gohf:Give me the verses that claimed Moses to be worshipped as Jesus was or stop mentioning me. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 5:50pm On Jan 24, 2025 |
gohf:You're not getting it. We are not talking about the foundation of the earth but the foundation of all things. The earth is just a miniature portion of God's vast creation. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 4:12pm On Jan 24, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:"And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God 's angels worship him." Hebrew 1:6. All creations worshiped God and the Lamb in the book of Revelation. Can you provide any similar verse for Moses? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by GothamCities(op): 9:32am On Jan 24, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:There's nothing in those scriptures that supposes that there are any mighty gods. There are the mighty, which ordinarily are people. There are the gods,not mighty gods. The Bible does not recognize any other mighty God apart from The Mighty God. The definitive 'The' even shows that there's only one Mighty God recognized by scriptures. You guys are full of demonic doctrines. You said Jesus and Moses were mighty Gods, yet you keep disputing the Godship of Jesus. Aren't you confused? Jesus is not A Might God, He is The Mighty God. The only Mighty God. Moses was never a god. God made him a god unto pharaoh, not for pharaoh ho worship him but for pharaoh to be at his command. Did pharaoh or anyone ever worship Moses? You must have been bewitched to even say Moses was a might God. Haha! |
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