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Steep:
you are just arguing like those people who say there is no absolute truth yet they take the very premise of their argument as an absolute truth.
According to you if various individuals have different understanding and perspective on scripture then on what basis do you call Abel a heretic since According to your logic it is just your understanding and perspective?

Abel is an heretic because he tries to misrepresent clear scriptural teachings that are generally acceptable. They are generally acceptable because they're clear. Very clear. Yet Abel comes up with contradictions of clear messages. You get it?

There are cases where opinions differ. Paul wrote most of his epistles to address differing opinions among his followers. Differences in opinions have always existed since the very beginning of Christiendom. However, except you're puffed up and see yourself the only one who has knowledge, you cannot expect everybody to have the same opinion as yourself on matters that require divine scriptural insights to understand.

RealityGod:
I am happy you agreed with him on this. Trust me I'm also like you until I listened to his message this morning and I was shocked that his interpretation differs from what is seen on social media.

I think he deliberately chose the topic to make it look controversial.

I honestly can't say anything about others till I'm able to listen to the full message and get the context.

One of the arguments made by Muslims about Christ not being the son of God is them asking who is God's wife? Damina explained Christ as God who made himself flesh so that he can rescue man. The same way God said he will pour out his spirit to all flesh, which is God the holy Ghost.

Seriously let's try and ignore the caption of social media to attract views and make effort to listen to the message in full. This way we will understand the man and knock off the old fables if any in his message.

Smiling, it seems he deliberately chooses controversial topics to confuse the public and create tension that results in more popularity. It would be deliberate but there are some of his topics that cannot be scriptural even in content. For example, there's no way you want to preach on a topic that Jesus is not Devine and end up being scriptural.

The topic in which he said Jesus is not a Christian is albeit correct. Christianity is Christ likeness, and Christ can never be like Himself. So, he's right that Jesus is not a Christian. However there are other topics that are clearly heretic because there's no way you can fill the content without sounding heretic.

sonmvayina:
Which is??

Show me how ifa has ever exercised any control over the nations the same way I have demonstrated to you on this thread that the God of the Bible is sovereign over the nations and therefore, He is the Creator of the world.

In what way exactly ifa superior to the Bible?

sonmvayina:
Is Christianity not based on the worship of a man that was nailed to a cross
And Christine believing that he was sacrificed to God for the forgiveness of sins. A sort of human sin sacrifice for sins?

Or what is Christianity based on...

My challenge to you what not based on what you belong but what you do.

Do christians make human sacrifices of any kind? No! Has any Christian in the history of Christianity ever made any human sacrifice to appease or please the God of the Bible? No. If anyone does, he or she would not remain a Christian.

You do make sacrifices of all kinds including humans, appease witches and worship demons. You carve wood and stone to bow down to, yet you consider yourself a human being?

Steep:
Simple, scripture speaks for itself.

Scripture speaks for itself but various individuals have different understanding and perspectives.

sonmvayina:
Really....that's fresh.

Please educate me what it is based on..

You need to first show where you found men making human sacrifices to found Christianity.

sonmvayina:
You are the one who chose to shot your eyes to reality. Because it does not tally with what you have been brainwashed with...

Be there..

I have thrown you a challenge. Would you please respond?

femi4:
Illiterate
Baptism does not deliver you from demons , it isn't for delivance of demon, its a symbol for repentance of sin

Had it been you're a true Christian, you would understand that God can use any medium to deliver people.

sonmvayina:
Is Christianity not founded on human sacrifice?

No. It's not.

RealityGod:
Have you actually listened to the message where he said the Bible is not the word of God? I think you need listen to it with a balanced mind, maybe you will understand him.

I listened to it and what he actually taught was you not to picking the Bible and keep under your pillow rather be filled with the word through reading it to get revelation in it because the revelation in it is Jesus because Jesus is the word of God not the book.

Damina is only saying focus on Jesus.

Yes, on that basis, the Bible is not the Word of God. Jesus is the Word of God. I myself have once said the same thing to someone, telling him that the Bible is just a medium through which we learn about the Word of God. The Word of God Himself is a Spirit.

But he has also taught that there's no heaven, Jesus is not coming back and other damaging heresies. How about that?

femi4:
Nice acting

Even Jesus, John the Baptist and the Apostles didn't Baptise witches or use baptism to chase out demons. It is always Deliverance, then Repentance before Baptism

If it's against the scripture, it's fake

The most foolish comment of the century!

She got delivered while being baptized. The baptism was not purposely done to deliver her. The deliverance was just a by product of the baptism. Would someone who is a witch tell you she's one? She came to be baptized and was delivered in the process.

sonmvayina:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y2IHhYJzg4?si=EdcbUXb54HK_0kTe


Watch this video, if you don't have mb, drop your number, I will load for you..

You will learn a lot.

Absolute nonsense!

sonmvayina:
Because the people that enslaved your ancestors told you so it must be true...

When will you ever grow up.

And they gave you a religion built on human sacrifice....

You are just the worst kind of human being..

Abeg, go and sit down.

I'm a Yoruba man and not a kid. I know what it entails. Nobody has to tell me anything. You should go and tell your lies to your kids. When did you ever see me or any Christian doing human sacrifices?

The witches you so much love have blinded your eyes.

sonmvayina:
Continue deceiving yourself..

The revelation is upon us..

Be prepared for what is coming..

I didn't ask you to sing a poem.

I asked a question. I gave you a logical challenge.

Steep:
what has opinion got to do with what is written in the scripture? A man reject scripture you are saying they can't veer into it, so on what ground are they condemning Damina?

Who has the final say about scripture? God or they? The same way you think they reject scripture is the same way they also think you reject scripture. It becomes a matter for debates. But on matters that are clearly seen as heresies, anyone can call anyone to order.

Steep:
Selman,Sulaiman and co also did similar thing why single out only Abel damina.
Abel damina is also heretical even those condemning him are no better

then you don't know your Bible, is the opinion of men now the authority or the scripture.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Anybody who preached a different gospel different from what Paul and the other apostles preach is cursed. There is no opinion

I don't understand you. Where did I support the issues brought against Paul? I am 100% supportive of the Pauline epistles. I'm telling you that the arguments about Paul is not a new thing. Selman and Sulaiman are not the first. It's an opinionated thing that they cannot just veer into. That's an issue of global debates. Just like the issue of tithe.

On the other hand, Abel Damina's heresies are personal heresies. Very horrendous types of heresies. His heresies are gaining traction, hence the need to call him to order. For instance, I personally know about most of the heresies they attributed to Damina. Meanwhile, the only heresies I know of Selman and Sulaiman borders on their Pauline stand. Apart from that, I know nothing of any other heresies they might have peddled. If there are, then, their heresies have not gained traction like that of Damina that is almost becoming mainstream. His stance about tithing coupled with Pastor Adeboye's apology regarding his previous statement on tithing puts many unlearned persons in grave danger because, Damina became more popular as a result of that apology, and those unlearned people might think he has always been right in everything he has ever said.

AntiChristian:
What about other many devoted Christians who still can't do anything even though they be in Christ?

...the culture of celebrating one-off irreproducible miracle!

To be a Christian is different from being in Christ. Don't be ignorant.

Steep:
But they didn't state the heresies?
Is about tithe payment? Or about the prosperity gospel? He is partially right now tithe and right on the prosperity gospel.
During the frenzy of miracle money this body was not seen, I don't buy the idea that they unaware.

Iam sorry I didnt included that he apologized adeboye, but when the frenzy was on going they were dead silence.

For example what Suleman and Selman said concerning the bible and apostle paul teaching are all on social media, and It is even worst but the body is unaware? That is not an excuse.

You didn't read the post bro. It seems you only responded to the headline. They listed a good number of his heresies including where he said the Bible is not the Word of God, Jesus is not coming back, there's no heaven, etc. Please read the post before responding.

The issue about Paul is not a new issue. It's been an ongoing thing. It's an opinionated issue that they do not need to respond to.

Elusive001:
Very wise peeps.

That's why I wonder what is in the heads of those hamas and Hezbollah guys. They see Iran wey even dey very far from israel using style dey run, but them wey dey close to Israel and with no defense come dey put body.

Senselessness and brainlessness.

Lol.

Captain4Jehovah:
This is a support for your evidence.

1. YHWH HELPED CYRUS.
2. CYRUS WORSHIPPED MARDUK.
3. THEREFORE, YHWH IS MARDUK.
What a conclusion! First, does the meaning of YHWH correlate with Marduk? YHWH means "I EXIST", "I AM." And Marduk, the chief god of the Babylonian gods whose consort is Sarpanitu. He had a visible representation, I mean there was a statue for him which the One, the living God who called out Abraham from Mesopotamia abhored:

And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.
Joshua 24 : 2.
And:
[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me. [4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. [5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exodus 20 : 3-5

And:
Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.
Psalm 16 : 4

Second, for the fact God, YHWH "helped" (Man can't help God. God used him, Cyrus instead to continue His eternal plan for the earth) Cyrus shows His supremacy and unquestionable ways He is dealing with Adam, the race of man_He is the HUSBANDMAN, humans are His branches. Compare Romans 11:21,24. In another vein, He is the Husbandman, we his sheep(Psalm 100:3).

in short, the word "god" is a family name referring to supernatural beings:

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Psalm 82 : 6-7

Even the prophets of Baal confessed YHWH when they saw the God of the Hebrews in action. They all cried that YHWH is the true God.

And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.
1 Kings 18 : 39

So, YHWH exists. He is the God of the Hebrews and ALSO the God of the universe, the God of all flesh. I conclude:

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1 John 1 : 3

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12 : 49

Thanks very much. You nailed it!

I've not seen anyone so ignorant like sonmvayina, yet he thinks he knows more than everyone.

sonmvayina:
Ifa is God's special gift to the yoruba people.
Every nation have their own...their own oracle.
The Jews have theirs and the yorubas have theirs...
God is God everywhere...there is only one God who is the creator of heaven and earth.. it is just the name that is different.
I think you are reading too much of the Jewish myths, that you have lost track with reality...there is only one power on earth..not two ...one and it belongs to the creator...
The so called sons of God are what the yorubas call orisha. They represents sent laws and principles of life...

God's special gift for human sacrifices, appeasement of witches, bowing down to wood and stone, referring demons, etc?

Why are you so ignorant?

sonmvayina:
No..ifa is superior to the Bible

Olodumare is same as the God of Israel...with a different name..

Lol. Yet, we use the words of the Bible to break the words of ifa and the witches that ifa acknowledges.

If ifa is greater than the Bible, please show me the control ifa's words have had over the nations as demonstrated on this thread for the Bible.

Steep:
What are the things Abel teach that is heretical?
I have not seen these groups caution the others , when adeboye Said without tithe you cannot make heaven, they were dead silence, when Selman and Sulaiman came out to debunk apostle paul and the bible they where no where to be seen, when pastor Chris said he is a god that should be worshipped, and also said God is not the miracle workers but Christians are, there were no rebukes, many other pastors, g.os and so on have said things that are against christian teachings and continue to double down on it. Why all of a sudden Abel is now the enemy?

Yes Abel do have some false teachings but on the issue of tithing he is right, Christians are not mandated to tithe but if any church or individual decide to tithe it is good.
Paul already addressed issues like these.
Howbeit it was concerning observing holy days.
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Ever since the church have being turn to industry all manner of shameful things are happening, even unbelievers are mocking.
Concerning healing and financial prosperity, May heal a man or may not heal a man, may make him reach or may not make him reach it all depends on his plans, even Paul was having eye problem hence he wrote with large letters he told Timothy to avoid drinking only water but to take a little of wine (a form of medicine) for health sake, he didn't tell him that he lacked faith.
God is not a gene or some kind of toy that do your bidding, in stead he said pray according to my will. When paul Complained about what he was passing through as per the thorn in his flesh what did the Lord say? He said my grace is sufficient for you.
When paul said I can do all things, he was referring to endurance and perseverance through poverty, obstacles, even in handling abundance.

When Isaiah said by his stripes we are healed it is primarily talking about the healing of out souls, Jesus used what happened to the israelites at When they sinned and God sent them serpent and bite them and they fell sick and began to die but Moses made a bronze serpent that any one who saw it were healed and they did not die, Jesus used this to illustrate salvation, sin makes our soul sick and die eventually but Jesus brings healing that heals and saves it, however it does not mean God have ceased to heal and grant material prosperity but that is not the center of a Christian relationship with God.
Whether sick or healed, poor or rich what matters is our relationship with God. Shadrack, meshack and abednego never predicated their faithfulness to God on his ability to deliver them though je eventually did? They said we are not careful in this matter, whether our God is able or deliver us or not we will not bow to this your graven image full stop.

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

You're not getting it my brother.

Everyone at anytime can make errors due to human imperfections and limited knowledge. In the case of Adeboye, he retracted and apologized. I don't expect you to include him in your list.

That said, I want you to know that:

1. It is not all the heresies that are out there that would come to the ears of the organization.

2. They mentioned that Damina's heresies are now widespread on social media. Meaning it's getting a lot of traction and may soon become mainstream. They had to rise up to the occasion.

They're not censoring a the messages and heresies out there. They rose up to call Damina to order because he is already going overboard.

sonmvayina:
Olodumare is the creator
Ifa is the word of God...

But you said ifa is superior to the God of Israel.

sonmvayina:
The yoruba belief system.
Where Olodumare reigns supreme..
As the creator of the universe and man...

Are you talking about Olodumare or ifa?

EreluRoz:
I read everything and you may be right about the present day Isreal

No, he's totally wrong.

The people living in present-day Palestine are not directly descended from the ancient Philistines. The Philistines were an ancient civilization that inhabited the coastal regions of Canaan (now Gaza and parts of Israel) from the 12th to the 5th centuries BCE.

The modern Palestinian population is a mix of various ethnic and cultural groups, including:

1. Canaanites: The earliest known inhabitants of the region.
2. Arabs: Descendants of the Arab conquest in the 7th century CE.
3. Greeks: Resulting from ancient Greek settlements and trade.
4. Romans: From the Roman Empire's rule over the region.
5. Other influences: Such as the Crusaders, Ottomans and Islamic conquests.

The name "Palestine" was revived by the Roman Empire in 135 CE, after suppressing the Bar Kokhba revolt, and was used to refer to the province of Syria Palaestina. Over time, the term "Palestinian" became associated with the modern Palestinian national identity, which emerged in the 20th century.

Hence the present occupant of the land called Palestine are not the original owners of the land.

The current people in the land called Israel are the real Jews. That is confirmed by their genetics and their miraculous preservation of their Hebrew language after over 2,000 years of dispersion. The language itself is an apparent confirmation. Though, the land they currently occupy is not geographically the same as the ancient Israelite lands. Current Israel is a fraction of ancient Israel and a little of ancient Philistia. Most of their ancient lands have been absorbed by Palestine and Jordan.

All the Philistines cities here mentioned in the following verse are still in Palestine till today:

1 Samuel 6:17-18

"These are the golden tumors that the Philistines returned as a guilt offering to the Lord: one each for Ashdod, Gaza, Ashkelon, Gath, and Ekron; and the golden mice, according to the number of all the cities of the Philistines belonging to the five lords, both fortified cities and unwalled villages."

sonmvayina:
What do yorubas call the creator of the universe? Either Olodumare or Eledumare....which is same being as YHWH in Judaism..

Why do people always fall for the Jewish propaganda? And hold their myth every other myth...I don't get it...
The yoruba ifa is 1000 times more superior than the Jewish propaganda...

Explain to me...

I have proven on this thread that the God of Israel has control over the nations. Now prove for us how your ifa is more superior to the God whom has demonstrated that He is the Creator of the world? Who is ifa?

Captain4Jehovah:
Enlil also known as Elil and Ellil is a Mesopotamia god of wind, air, earth and storms. He was a chief deity of the Sumerian pantheon but later worshipped by Akkadians, Babylonians, Assyrians and Hurrians[All Mesopotamians] Do know that God called Abraham out of Mesopotamia which was a chief center for idols worshipping and spiritual engagements including magic, spiritism, etc. Joshua 24:2 says, "And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood[Mesopotamia, emphasis is mine] in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods."

Why did the holy God ordered Abraham to leave Haran(Haran was in Mesopotamia and it is the present day Iraq) his native land? The first thing evident in his call was to establish His name.(Gen.12, 15; Exo.6:3). The second thing is to continue and actualize His original plan for the earth. The third thing is for the race of man to understand the BEING to relate with;other gods were being worshipped before his call, abominable things were being done while he was in his native land. Libations to unknown gods(Acts17:22-23), adultery, human sacrifices, witchcrafts, spiritism and medium consultation, magic, etc were their common practices.
Each tribe and tongue has its own pantheon and supreme deity's name they worship except the tribe of Israel whose form of religion is monotheistic in nature.

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deuteronomy 6 : 4

Note that the Israelites were punished each time they served other gods(Exodus 32; compare Psalm 16:4).

For Jews calling Yahweh "Hashem", means "the name" is a way to honour God because of the holy reverence attached to God's personal name, YHWH_"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, HALLOWED BE THY NAME."
Matthew 6 : 9

Anyway, I am still doubting the name of God, YHWH in Yoruba as "OLODUMARE."

I think the Yoruba name for God is Olorun. Eledumare is a title.

hartson:
So nice

Thank you.

She should discuss her needs with her husband. If he permits her to use toys, she should go ahead.

TenQ:
Mr Antichrist's Antichristian,
Even though Islam doesn't teach you about principalities like Allah and his family that hold this earth, let me remind you of a few things:

Remember a certain so-called prophet who claimed that it was Angel Gabriel that comes to dictate the Qur'an to him only for satan himself to come in the form of Jibril to dictate the satanic verses to Mohammed.

The issues are grievous:
1. A prophet of God couldn't distinguish between the word of Allah and the words of satan
2. Even though Muslims claim that no one can make the Qur'an, we see that Iblis made a perfect indistinguishable Qur'an like that of Allah
3. Mohammed himself and his followers carried out the satanic verses by bowing down to worship the three daughters of Allah.

Where was Allah and Jibril while all these were going on. Did Iblis tie them down?

Interesting.

AntiChristian:
Wife beating is not expressly permitted as you and the OP are taking it? And the lady that was being beaten by the father-in-law is being assaulted. Probably that's cultural not religious! That's not Islam! The Prophet we follow and his companions didn't do such!

Okay, I don't know anything about Islam. I'll be following this thread.