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AntiChristian:
Christians drink alcohol. The Biblical Jesus drank Alcohol! The wine he produced was alcoholic. Jesus says: “The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners! '” (Luke 7:34). What do you drink that makes you drunk?

So, you don't know the difference between wine and alcohol? You don't know that not all wines are alcoholic or you just want to lie, since lying is your hobby?

Christians don't drink alcohol!

As if the last election didn't expose the church's hatred that ever! It was clear! No need to say more! We understand our Qur'an in relation to the Hadiths better than you! We know the reason and settings upon which each verses was revealed! You don't know jack! Holy Spirit won't reveal anything to you in these regards!

Tell us the hatred the Church exhibited in the last election! You put up a Muslim Muslim ticket and Christians still voted massively. Tinubu even got some bishops to endorse him. Why do you like lying this much?

I

was the one! And i quoted it when you were boasting Israel fulfilled a Prophecy defeating the Muslims around it bla bla bla.... Why didn't you mention the full context of our discuss instead of an abridged version to promote yourself?

This is why i called you a pathetic liar! One will explain and explain things to you but your mind is set in stone! So what is there to explain anymore? honesttalk21 will soon get tired and leave you guys alone! Some other day you'll still bring the same verses to make the same claim that Muslims are whatever you wish!

Liar!

Show me where I was boasting that ISRAEL FULFILLED A PROPHECY THAT ISRAEL DEFEATED THE MUSLIMS AROUND IT.

Show me speedily. Let me expose your lying antics for the world to see!

AntiChristian:
The lovely verse is beautifully translated as:
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong­doers and unjust).

There's no lie in this verse! You believe all Muslims are destined to hell if they don't accept Jesus like you do! How can we be friends?

We don't believe MUSLIMS are destined to hell if they don't accept Jesus. That's too ignorant of you. We believe EVERYONE (Including those who identify as Christians) is destined to hell if they do not embrace the salvation that is in Christ Jesus.

A Christian is only a Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.) to another Christian! And a Jew is same to only a Jew! So why tell lies?

You even inserted the question "Why tell lies" obviously without thinking? You first said it wasn't a lie. What exactly did I say that is a lie? I need to start exposing you for your deliberated blackmail of Christians. You always just want to call every Christian a liar to blackmail them. What lies exactly have I told?

A Christian is a friend of everyone. Christ was even a friend of sinners. Why tell lies?

Muslims are to be Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.) to Muslims not non-Muslims!

Compare the verse with Paul's below:
Do Not Be Unequally Yoked - 2 Corinthians 6:13-15
As a fair exchange, I ask you as my children: Open wide your hearts also. Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?

You can see why you are an hypocritical liar who refuses to remove the speck in his eyes before pointing to others!

You're the pathological liar here. We're talking about Islamic injunctions that require Christians and Jews to be killed. Not friendship. The scripture you quoted is talking about 'unequal yokes'. Yokes are marriages and covenant Partnerships. Not friendship! You're just a liar!

1 Corinthians 5:9-11

9 "I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or verbally abusive, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people."

Paul emphasizes the importance of maintaining moral standards within the Christian community while interacting with non-believers in the world.

[b]Yes, we will wipe them out even much better than they are doing in Palestine now!!! Jesus too will come kill the Dajjal as a Muslim, among the signs of the end time![/quote]Lol.

Are they wiping them out in Palestine? Did you Quran foresee that too? Jokers!

You won't remember!

Yeah, of what value is your Quran to me that I'll be cramming it into my memory?

Honesttalk21, your brother has confirmed what i said as truth. You're just trying to sugarcoat what everyone knows concerning Islam as a religion of hate and bloodshed.

honesttalk21:
Psalm 114:15
"And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

I hope you know that there are both alcoholic and non alcoholic wines. You talked about alcohol, and that's what I responded to. The wine that makes the heart glad, not the one that intoxicates.

From a physiological perspective alcohol can have mild sedative effects, helping to relax the body and uplift mood, which may result in feelings of happiness or warmth.

Wine, not alcohol.

Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit

You can drink but don't get drunk?

Wrong rendering.

If I say do not run after Satan but run after Jesus. Does that mean I'm saying "You can walk after Satan but run after Jesus?

Traditionally, communion wine is alcoholic. In many Christian denominations, the wine used for communion is a fermented grape wine, usually with a low alcohol content.

Low-alcohol wines with a low alcohol content can lead to intoxication when enough is consumed.

No, we use blackcurrant in most cases.

johnw47:
they write dark sentences

small example:



^^ no light in that, just a never ending babble of lies and abuse, continual darkness

You nailed it!

Out of the abundance of their hearts, their mouths speak.

Dark sentences only have their sources in dark souls.

AntiisIam:
honesttalk21

Sahih al-Bukhari 2926

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Thanks for this input.

achorladey:
You need to go back in time how they kept condemning, denigrating and attaching all sorts of names, labels to different Christian denominations during their beginning years.

Wow. This sounds familiar. A bunch of demoniacs uttering curse words when confronted with Truth. Yeah, they're doing their lord's work.

Now that all of it backfires, they are trying hard to save face. The very same thing they accuse others is what they do times over and still boast arrogantly about as better performing performance group doing God's will

They can't even save face. The more they try, the much more they expose themselves. Can a leopard change its spots?

RemoveKebab:
They were at war with south as soon as we begin to demand for independence so they weaponizse amalgamation by joining us with problematic north.

They knew what they were doing plus they were afraid of immense wealth and knowledge the south could have harnesses to progress at fast rate which could one day rival them on a global scale.

No western power want a black African super power.
It's their greatest nightmare.

The same reason why they handed over the country to a northerner. You're on point!

honesttalk21:
I explained the Verse Q5:51


It doesn't satisfy you obviously.
You know what is said about peer pressure don't you. There is some difference in the concept of God in Christianity and Islam and if I may make a small example Christians do not have a problem drinking alcohol perhaps as long as they don't get drunk but this is totally forbidden in Islam.

Kindly show me the verse in the Quran that says Muslims will wipe out the Jews from the face of the earth?

Christians don't drink alcohol. Only church-,goers do.

You're just trying to sugarcoat the verses and explain them away. The messages are very clear. Till today, Muslims hate Christians and Jews. They even preach against us in their mosques.

Well, you know the verse about the killing of the Jews and the betrayal of the rocks where they go hid themselves. A Muslim even quoted the verse for me here just last week while he was boasting that the prophecy will come to pass.

achorladey:
His mumu and no get sense peddling na top notch

It's their way. Their Freemason way. Their minds are dirty and full of filth. They must curse and abuse. The demons make them do it.

Janosky:
Achorladey Awon WEREY manifest symptoms of delusion and IBERIBEISM.
Ozuo pro max.
You are just a kid & very phat MUMU kid at that.

This kid infested with Courz Oteneaaron syndrome of delusion & IBERIBEISM."

This is exactly how Freemasons talk. You just confirmed to us now that you're a Freemason.

I'm most probably older than your father. So, I have seen life much more than you do.

honesttalk21:
Please the Quraysh tribe, who opposed the Prophet Muhammad pbuh during the Battle of Badr, were mainly polytheists, not Christians or Jews; it appears you see otherwise. At that time, the Quraysh were the leading tribe in Makkah and were deeply engaged in idol worship.

Do take time to read through my responses which are done to the individual verses you initially listed.

Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

There's another verse that says Muslims will wipe out the Jews from the face of the earth, and that as they hide among rocks, the rocks would betray them and tell the assaulting Muslims that a Jew is hiding by it, they should come and kill him.

There are other verses including hadiths that I cannot presently remember.

honesttalk21:
I have explained the meaning and context of the verses to show what is meant isn't what you think.

You explained only the last verse. The first ones addressed Christians and Jews directly.

Moreso, if there's no compulsion in religion, why should anyone be killed, even if that person is worships many idols?

honesttalk21:
Fortunately I and the OP appear to understand each other and are not at dispute.

I will lie to claim what you mean by Mohammedian. In any case Islam emphasizes tolerance and respect towards Christians, as well as other people of the book, a term in the Quran that includes Jews and Christians.

Indeed, those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and works righteousness—shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." (Quran, 2:62)

And do not argue with the People of the Book except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, 'We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him. (Quran, 29:46)

And had Allah not repelled some people by means of some others, the monasteries, the churches, the synagogues and the mosques where the name of Allah is recited abundantly would have been demolished”.

Allah will certainly help those who stand up for Him. Allah is truly All-Powerful, Almighty.Quran 22:40


Read into the Charter of Medina and the Treaty with Christians of Najran.

I've quoted the Quran that shows Allah doesn't tolerate Christians, and there's compulsion in religion as far as Islam is concerned.

You don't actually understand the post of the OP. The OP is writing against any form of retaliatory remarks or initiated insults by Christians because such attitudes are not Christlike. And indeed, there's no one who insults others or retaliates offences, who'll rightly call himself a Christian.

honesttalk21:
Perhaps if you exactly list these verses we can discuss or review them.

They were all listed in the post you quoted above.

honesttalk21:
I commended your original post and still do. The ease with which many things get misconstrued is all that is emphasized to help grow mutual cordiality.

You see the response of Gothamcities where he has shown gross misunderstanding of the context and meaning of picked verses.

I didn't misconstrue his post. My response is to the Mohammedian who wants to descent people to make them think that Islam is tolerant towards Christians and Muslims.

Read my post again and you'll see that I said Christians who don't retaliate insults are ideally following the principles of Christ, which is what the OP was trying to say in a nutshell.

honesttalk21:
In this verse it is better you identify and understand what is the meaning of mushrikoon.

The term "mushrikoon" refers to polytheists or individuals who associate partners with Allah in their worship. In Islamic terminology, a mushrik is someone who commits shirk, which means associating partners with Allah or worshiping other deities alongside Him. Shirk is regarded as a major sin in Islam and contradicts the core belief in the oneness of Allah (Tawheed).

The question is are those who associate partners with God = Christians and Jews

What about the other verses that speak directly against Christians and Jews? Did the Quran not tell you to fight Jews until they're annihilated? Infact, you have it in your Quran that you'll so kill Jews and defeat them with the rocks betraying them while hiding.

What I have posted is the truth about Islam and do not want anyone to be deceived thinking that Islam has anything good for Christians or Jews.

honesttalk21:
I commend and welcome your submission. It however should be clarified where it appears certain things are taken out of context or misconstrued. In some of your sentences you allude towards Muslims hating and killing christians and fall just short of distinctly labelling Muslims as a people in darkness.

The Quran encourages Muslims to engage in dialogue and find common ground with Christians, emphasizing the shared belief in one God:

"Say, 'O People of the Book! Come to a word that is equitable between us and you—that we shall worship none but Allah and not associate anything with Him, and not take one another as lords instead of Allah.'" (Quran 3:64)

Islam teaches that faith is a personal choice and forbids the coercion of others into religion:

"There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from the wrong way." (Quran 2:256)

This indicates that Muslims cannot force anyone to convert, allowing individuals the freedom to practice their beliefs without pressure.

The Quran also instructs Muslims to treat non-Muslims, including Christians, with fairness and compassion:

"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes—from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." (Quran 60:8 )

This verse promotes the idea of peaceful coexistence, urging Muslims to be just and kind to those who live in harmony with them.

This verse emphasizes that Islam advocates for peaceful coexistence with individuals of other faiths who are just and non-hostile. It serves as a reminder that, although Muslims are encouraged to resist oppression, they are also instructed to maintain justice, kindness, and fairness in their interactions with everyone.

While some verses in the Quran address fighting, they are specifically related to self-defense in the context of early Muslim persecution. For instance, Quran 2:190 states:

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."

Islam does not instruct Muslims to harbor hatred or violence against Christians. Rather, the Quran advocates for respect, peaceful coexistence, and justice for everyone. Misunderstandings can occur when verses are taken out of context, particularly those linked to specific historical events. When considered as a whole, the Quran conveys a message of respect, peace, and compassion towards all, including Christians.

Thank you.

I have no single objection with all that the OP has said because he's right through and through. Many of the people of other religions are very provocative in that they hurl insults at you without you ever insulting them. Some 2 Jehovah Witnesses I know on this platform are culprits. Muslims do it too very often. They actually start by calling you a liar for obvious truths you've said, then, they graduate to being vulgar. The atheists do it freely as well. I'm not saying christians don't start insults but in most cases, others do, and christians retaliate. I have seen christians who don't retaliate. Several of them are on this platform. These fellows are following the principles of Christ while other religionists are following the principles of their religions.

It is a lie that Islam tolerates others. All the talk of "no compulsion in religion" is deception. Muslims use this just to deceive. The Allah of the Quran outrightly instructs Muslims to kill and maim Christians and Jews, and never to make friends with them:

Quran 8:12

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have rejected; so strike above the necks, and strike from them every one standing."



Quran 9:29

Hasan Al-Fatih Qaribullah  

Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth, being among those who have been given the Book (Bible and the Torah), until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated


Quran 5:51

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk


Quran 9:5

Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (Christians and Jews) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Courz:
Email sent.

eBook sent.

[quote author=Courz post=132713132]

Righteousness2:
True Repentance means turning away from your evil deeds.
Repentance means making right your wrongs.

Read The Conversion story of the tax collector in Luke 19 Zaccheus .

You cant remain with the sin and claim you are saved. You are deceiving yourself.

A Sinner is not a Christian. 1 john 3:8
A Christian is not a Sinner 1 John 3:9

True repentance of a man with more than one woman will entail him settling all his sin partners , sending them back to their parents and making peace with his 1st legally married Wife.
This is true Repentance.

Any other thing is you Deceiving yourself.

Can you please quote any scripture where marrying many wives is said to be a sin?

AntiChristian:
God can do anything He wishes! Must He do as you claim? God can forgive Adam and spare us of having Him come pretend to die! And that's what happened!

God does anything He wishes with a PURPOSE in mind. God doesn't waste His resources for nothing. Why did God have to create a new human differently from the way other humans are created? Tell me any example of something God ever did purposelessly.

This is false! Two Genealogies for a fatherless entity! How is Jesus related to Joseph by blood? Is genealogy traced by through mother's family? Matthew and Luke were just trying to paint a picture for Christ according to the old testament!
Someone acclaimed to be God should ordinarily have no genealogy! And Mary wasn't mentioned directly but Joseph!

Yes, He has a genealogy because God gifted the Messiah to the lineage of David. Hence Mathew was showing us that He was the Son of David through Joseph. Luke who was a doctor decided to use a biological link which was His mother, Mary.

Won't I know I answered you sometimes here? Na Christians Sabi lie and pin it on others without admitting their lie!

Muslims and lies are 5 & 6. They tell lies without remorse. At first, you lied that it was a back and forth. Now, you're saying you answered me here. Should I bring up the question here for you? Since you're a master of falsehoods and deceit.

Courz:
This is the Ugandan Lady I was talking about. As a Sorceress that time, she was invited to participate in their Rituals. The Freemason Jehovah's Witnesses brought her into an office in the Kingdom hall and was taken to an Underground hall that was very big which happened to be a Masonic Lodge. She said she didn't know that it was a Satanic lodge they were going to until she got there because it was directly a Kingdom Hall. This Lady did a full exposure about the kind of rituals they did there. The details are Gruesome but worth knowing.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRAWYeOobTM?si=U1B8aLIqx73ZWaPx

Thanks for this. I'll find time to watch the documentary.

Courz:
Chai! Thank you very much for this. That name Bob Larson sound familiar. I've heard it from somewhere but I can't remember.

This means Bob Larson was a Freemason for him to have been invited there or was a Satanist. He was invited to do some rituals. From the testimonies so far, the Freemason Jehovah's Witnesses invite Sorcerers, Sorceress, Witch doctors, Satanists and other people that are members of different Cults to participate in their Rituals in those hidden lodges . So, That Throne is the Seat of Lucifer? Wow! The Seat of Lucifer used by Freemason Jehovah's Witnesses? Wonderful!

Now the best part about this excerpt you posted is Jehovah's Witnesses bought that Masonic Lodge from Freemasons and didn't bother to remove all those artefacts and transform it into a Kingdom Hall!. Isn't that interesting? This is what I was saying. This proves that Jehovah's Witnesses is a Masonic Cult masquerading as a Christian religion to Deceive people.

The artefacts and Masonic symbols were not removed because the Freemason Jehovah's Witnesses intended to use the Lodge as it is. They left them there on purpose. Can you see undeniable proof that Jehovah's Witnesses is a Freemason offshoot with inner Coven Jehovah's Witnesses practicing their Masonic rituals in plain sight without the rest of the Foolish Jehovah's Witnesses been aware?

I will find this book and read it. This will be a wonderful thing to post on Oteneaaron's thread.

I have forgotten the full details of what he went there to do. But JW matters and that of their founder came up severally in his narrations.

I can send you the book by email if you please.

Janosky:
Baptist Church clergyman your fellow Trinitarian is top leader conducting freemason services with your fellow Trinitarians devotees in attendance & you come online making FALSE claims about JW's.

If you get liver,I challenge you to provide evidence of any JW's doing Freemason as the Baptist Church clergyman is doing.

This kid you are a big phool, Ozuo pro max.
IBERIBEISM of a WAILING WAILER..

Lol, if anyone within the Baptist church is practicing Freemasonry, at least he or she knows that the Baptist church is fully against such practices. This is different from the situation whereby JW is not just supporting Freemasonry but practicing it secretly as an organization. You're being warned. The organization is a Freemason organization. They're not just supporting. They're practicing Freemasons.

Janosky:
John W MUMU WAILER WAILING his IBERIBEISM.

Ozuo pro max.

Your Lazy attempt to derail this thread with delusional claims and outright FALSEHOOD speaks volumes about your gullibility & naivety.


Your Trinitarian mentors such as the American clergyman is a prominent leader of that fraternity NOT connected to JW's at all.

Gullible kid, study the two screenshots.
Or continue WAILING.

JW is a cult of Freemasons. From what I've seen so far, even neutral persons talk about it without them having anything against the group.

AntiChristian:
Talking about parent material Adam had no parents! He was created from earth which is technically a non-living matter! Hence Adam has no father and mother! His DNA is one of a kind! Eve was created from Adam hence her DNA is 100% from Adam! Jesus's DNA is 100% Mary's just as Eve's! And who told you the God that created Eve without a mother and vagina birth can't create a human from only the female sex cell?

Why would God decide to create a human from only a female's sex cells? What was His intentions? Or Her just did it because He was being playful?

Story fabricated from the church councils! That's why Matthew and Luke gave him two different genealogies to a someone who's fatherless! God has genealogy? Lion of Judah! Root of David! Jesus does not in any way appear to be a god not to talk of being God! God is not man! God does not change! God does not die! God does not pray to another God! God does not forget the hour when asked!

Mathew and Luke didn't give Him different genealogies. Mathew chronicled His genealogy from Joseph, Luke chronicled His genealogy from Mary.

I didn't even remember much from then. Seems you don't know how much engagement I have!

Since you didn't remember anything, how then did you arrive at your back-and-forth claim? Meanwhile, we had a very short straightforward conversation. Should you lie?

AntiZikist:
Be shouting conspiracy theory.
That's how they got fools like you to take their poison vaccine.

There are tonnes of sources online complete with the video interview where Bill Gates said he wants a one world religion .

Be shouting conspiracy theory there like a fool that you are.

The Bible says that at the end times there will be an abundance of knowledge.

You are living in an information age and the Satanists that rule you are obligated to expose their plans to you so that you won't use ignorance as an excuse on judgement day.

Remember : you have free will.



Be foaming conspiracy theory all about like the ret@rd that you are.

Go and sit down! What's the insult for? Are you that pained?

What you said about Bill Gates is true but you missed truth with lies to make up your conspiracy theory! There are a lot of lies in what you wrote. I'm far more knowledgeable than to be taken by this your cheap attempt to dish out falsehood.

Courz:
Chai! Now you're talking! Abeg abeg abeg, crack your Brain very well and remember that book and the man's name. I want It. I just love how different people from different parts of the world who don't know each other are exposing the Satanic side of Jehovah's Witnesses. Don't fail o. If you remember, please don't hesitate to quote me.

To start your Research, you can start with the Thread Oteneaaron opened titled Are Jehovah's Witnesses tied to Freemasons. Some of the videos I posted there are no longer available but you can see some links and some very vital info in there. I posted a video of a Freemason lady who made a video of her encounter with Freemason Jehovah's Witnesses in a fast food joint where she was freely talking about their Masonic beliefs but the video is no longer there. I also posted a video of the same lady approaching One JW Man and a young guy who were preaching and she noticed the Man had a Masonic ring and was trying to hide it and remove it when she started talking about Freemason Governing body members wearing their Masonic rings. If you want to search outside, try YouTube and TikTok although they like to censor certain info. There are many testimonies from victims who are not JWS but mention them sometimes. If you want to see the Child Sex Abuse cases in JW, Google will help you with that but the Satanic aspect is censored. Court documents are the ones that reveal it all.

Thanks for the recommendations.

After I saw your seriousness about the book I mentioned, I quickly went into my PDF library to search out the book, and I found it.

It's titled "Dealing With Demons." The author is Bob Larson. I think he said many things about JWs in many of his stories about his various encounters. I've not found the exact page where he mentioned the Masonic Lodge as I'm still trying to go through the chapters. I've asked AI to help me see if anything like Masonic Lodge was mentioned in the book as I have two of the books from the same author - just to be sure this is the right one. Attached is a screenshot of what the AI said:

AntiChristian:
Eve was a human being and had no mother! Adam was a human being and had no parents! Jesus has a mother but no father then he becomes your God! Is that no clear hypocrisy and blindness? You should take Eve too as a god and Adam as a superior god!

Adam and Eve were fresh created beings. Never were the born. They were the progenitors of the human race. After them, everyone MUST have a father and a mother. There's no human being who doesn't except the created beings who birthed all others. Since Jesus wasn't a created but birthed being, he should have a father. All birthed beings have fathers.

Jesus is God, not because He has no earthly father but because He is from the beginning, and made an appearance on earth only for a limited time. He existed before He appeared as man. He came from Heaven, left His heavenly throne to become a human.

As i told you earlier i cant follow the front and back again!

There was no back and forth!

The discussion was a progression and I asked you a question which you probably cannot answer or don't want to answer because of the implications.

Courz:
Diddy is also a Mason. In the Entertainment industry, you must join Freemasonry in order to get Money and Fame. So that checks out.

The former location of Jehovah's Witnesses Headquarters they call Bethel at Brooklyn before they sold it had Underground tunnels. It was reported that the whole tunnel was covered with Concrete before the Headquarters was sold. I got to know about these underground tunnels from Child Sexual abuse victims who have been there and Jehovah's Witnesses they call Bethelites who lived and worked there. The Bethelites said the underground tunnels are very wide and were off limits to the majority of the Bethelites. Only high ranking Jehovah's Witnesses with high positions were allowed to go further into those tunnels. It was also taboo to talk about the tunnels. You will get a strange look if you start asking questions. The only explanation you will get is that they are meant for storage . That's all. A victim who was in that inner circle of coven members once asked a Fellow JW who was high ranking where do those tunnels go? Why can't they go further down? The look she got from the Man ehn. They just changed the subject.

Why is It taboo to talk about tunnels? What are tunnels doing there? Where do the tunnels lead to? What goes on there that is hidden from the Public? These answers you will only get from victims of Satanic Ritual abuse. The same thing was exposed about P Diddy's tunnels. If you watch this Rihanna, Jay Z and Kanye West Run this Town Music video, all the scenes were from an Underground tunnel.

Jehovah's Witnesses who have been to the recent Bethel Headquarters at Warwick, U.S confirmed that there is also Underground tunnels over there. A Bethelite who also lived and worked there confirmed it. I also heard that the JW Bethel in Benin Edo state has an underground tunnel but you will never know. It was a JW that worked there that said this and he said he was surprised that it was there because it was built very well well hidden that you could walk over it and you wouldn't know. Also, there is a Ugandan Lady who exposed Jehovah's Witnesses and spoke about an underground tunnel she was taken to, to participate in a Satanic Ritual as a Sorceress built under a Kingdom Hall in Uganda. She said JWs attending that Kingdom hall are not aware the tunnel exist. Only She and the JW Coven members that attend these rituals know about the Tunnel.

So, you will never know that a tunnel exists until a victim or a participant in these rituals decides to give their life to Jesus and expose everything. So, keep an eye out on people who expose them. If there are stories of Child trafficking, Child Sex Abuse, Satanic Ritual abuse associated with a Religion/denomination, Business, Organisation, Hospital, Schools, Politician , Musician, Actors/Actresses etc, there you have it. Take the stories seriously.

Hmmmmm.

This is deep o.

I think I once read a deliverance book written by a popular deliverance minister on YouTube. I've forgotten his name but he's actually popular. He wasn't talking about JWs, he was just telling a story and mentioned being invited into a kingdom hall in the US that had a secret door leading to a large hall that looked like a Masonic Lodge. He mentioned sighting a throne at one end of the hall that had Masonic symbols on it. I'll try and find the book and search for the page. You'll know the man if you've ever listened to deliverance talks on YouTube. The man use to carry a cross symbol during deliverance exercises. It's a pity I've forgotten both his name and the exact title of the book I'm talking about. It just came into my memory right now as I'm reading about these things in your post.

To start researching this group, please can you point me to any link online?

All these conspiracy theorists should go and rest please.

achorladey:
They can coin words just to manipulate people. Instead of saying or admitting that they are LIARS or they LIED regarding some of their teachings in the Bible they will use words such as PAST UNDERSTANDING or PAST TRUTH.


For example, they taught that Pope = Angel Michael. Rather than tell you they lied and were teaching false doctrines they will tell you that was past truth or past understanding about who is Angel Michael

It is no joke. It is their mode of operation

To the right thinker, past Truth means, it was a lie as at the time it was released. If today, a supposed truth you told me yesterday is now past Truth, it means you lied to me yesterday. And if you're telling me about future truth, it also means you're probably lying to me today. So, from all angles, you've been a liar. I think this makes the JW a very dangerous group. Very unreliable fellows.