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AntiChristian:
If there was he would have written it. A conversation that involves fishers of a criminal who's supposed to meet Jesus in Paradise that day he died! Mark missed it.

What was the theme of Mark's message? Was it about meeting Jesus in paradise? Or you don't know that each book has its theme?

1. Mark may not hear about the conversation.

2. The conversation may not be important to mark.

3. While writing, Mark may not remember to include the conversation in his piece. If it was important, the Holy Spirit would have reminded him.

That event holds no significance to the salvation of souls!

Holy Spirit didn't guide them at all. Neither did they witness any even! The most important even of Jesus clearly has a lot of contradictions! Explain how both the thieves taunt Jesus and how only one taunted Jesus?

Your shot yourself in the legs by saying they were not at the events. Yeah, if they were there, they would have recorded the same things. Everyone recorded what was reported mostly by the women and John. John was with Christ on the cross. Not all the writers wrote from John or the women. The events happened. Whether there was a conversation or not, both taunted Jesus or one, does not mean anything to our salvation.

At a distance means far! At least you can't hear Jesus's words at a distance!

If you are at a distance from something you are a long way away from it in space or time.

Again in the Mark 15:40 you quoted the Greek word translated is makrothen which means From a (long) distance, afar! Check attached or Biblehub link https://biblehub.com/mark/15-40.htm

There's nothing that shows from a long distance from what you posted. You created that in your head. See screenshots from Meta AI.

AntiChristian:
Did you meet Jesus on earth? You can only learn about Jesus from the same error prone Book! The error is in the inscription!

Without stating the error, it's just your personal delusion.

The matter is clear here! If you ask a kid to memorize a Phrase i.e. The King of the Jews and later the kid gives you one of:

This is Jesus the King of the Jews
This is the King of the Jews
Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews

Na F9 be that o!

But no one was given anything to anyone to memorize. That's the difference.

Meanwhile, if 3 kids were told to narrate an event and describe what was written on the cross if anything was written on it, after many years of the event,

one said "This is Jesus the King of the Jews"

Another said "This is the King of the Jews"

Then another also said, "Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews"

None of the kids are lying, especially when they're reporting it in a language different from the inscription!

The inscription is not what saves! It is absolutely irrelevant!

AntiChristian:
In Mark there was no conversation between the three!
Matthew and Luke says there was a conversation!
John was silent!

Did Mark expressly say that there was no conversation? Or you don't know what a contradiction is? Mark simply didn't record the conversation. He never said there was none.

One reporter thought..? Are they using their thinking now? Which reporter was guided by the Holy Spirit? Which was not? I won't be amazed if you say both were guided!

Yes, they used their thinking, experience and knowledge of the event while being guided by the Holy Ghost to write what they know to be the truth. The event they recorded is not a revelation. Everything took place on earth.

Of course it does matter! (The Letter Kills.... ) If they were far from the crucifixion they won't hear anything! And it was clear people were being intimidated while Jesus was arrested! You still refused to reconcile if the women were at a distance as in Mark or close to the crucifixion as John said!

At a distance does not mean they were far. It only means they were not at the foot of the cross. They at least would give the soldiers some distance. That does not mean they were not within hearing shot of the cross.

AntiChristian:
That means what they recorded is error prone! How can we believe such salvation from such Gospels that can't even record small things as these correctly?

Can you stare the error? And who has ever told you that salvation comes from the what they wrote? Salvation is in Jesus only.

What you are saying essentially is what I've heard many times before! The letter kills! Just swallow it all by faith! This matter is not even as it regards the unseen things! These are visible things!

If it was "The King of the Jews" then all the others below are wrong!

You heard without understanding. The letter kills does not apply here at all!

You're simply confused. All the others also wrote "The King of the Jews". Show me one who didn't write it! How are they wrong?

AntiChristian:
Okay let's agree they were criminals = thieves!

The Holy Spirit then guided each to write opposing things on the same subject matter right? If the report is true then it shouldn't contradict one another. The happenings as i said are not mutually exclusive.

You actually need to bring out the contradictions. Tell us exactly how they contradicted themselves.

Expatiate and create your own Gospel. Did one thief taunt Jesus or the two taunts Jesus? How did it happen mutually?

The two spoke about Jesus. Simple. One reporter thought both taunted, another clarified.

Mark 14:51 says "A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52 he fled naked, leaving his garment behind". They were arresting anyone they knew with Jesus. Even Peter followed him at a distance Mark 14:51

In 3 above the women were standing by the cross while in 2 they were watching from a distance!

Add all these together and come up with another Gospel!

The women wee there and witnessed the event. Do not change the discussion. Where they stood does not matter. They at least saw and witnessed. That puts a nail to the coffin of your false narrative about the absence of all disciples.

AntiChristian:
Abeg, it does matter!

If you're asked what the inscription on the cross is you can only give one of those options!

Which makes others wrong!

Was "Nazareth" written on the cross?

I know where this will end!

Paul's the letter killeth and I need the holy spirit to explain things to me!

Why didn't the holy spirit correct Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to write the correct inscription?

All of them are different! Each having a 0.25 probability of being true! That's a low possibility!

Whether Nazareth was written or not, something was written on the cross. Period! Everyone recorded what they heard. What was written on the cross is not what saves. The important point is that Pilate wrote His accusation which was "The King of the Jews". That's all.

AntiChristian:
Good! All thieves are criminals but not all criminals are thieves! Why did they use each word interchangeable when they clear have a different meaning?

What different meanings do the the words thief and criminal have? Tell us please. One person says he is a criminal without specifying his exact crime. Another person provides more details by stating the exact crime - he's a thief. What different meanings?

Not recording a conversation that happened when it matters is akin to falsification of tales. It also shows lack of depth and reproducibility! How is Holy spirit involved in all these?

Not recording a conversation that happened does not in anyway disparage the report. If a person is not aware or does not have the details of the conversation, should be record it? If he is unsure about what they discussed, of course he doesn't have to mention it in his book. The Holy Spirit is still involved because He would guide the man to write the truth only according to the best of his knowledge.

Both incidents can't be mutually exclusive! One is right and the other wrong! Tell us who is right and who is wrong! I know most of you will choose Luke to be right since it proves Jesus be with the criminal in paradise!

Like only gave more details. The reports don't cancel one another.

In Mark 14:50, it was said that the disciples fled during the purported arrest of Jesus! Then everyone deserted Him and fled. I wonder who were the witnesses that gave the tales. So you agree holy spirit wasn't directing the scripts? They were writing what they thought was what happened according to the info they received!

Of course it shows more than that. You have to look at the dates each was written to compare well!

Mark came first!

Luke and Matthew around the same time!

John came very much later!

So you can see why John was very much exaggerated and improved than all others!
And Matthew and Luke has many points of correlation as if they had a material they both used!

And you did never read that some of the women disciples remained with him there at the cross?

1. Matthew 27:55-56: "Many women who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to Him, were there looking on... Among them was Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of Zebedee’s sons."

2. Mark 15:40-41: "Some women were watching from a distance... Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph, and Salome."

3. John 19:25-27: "Standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene."

Or, is it difficult for you to realize that the women would tell the others what happened?

AntiChristian:
Nah! This essentially false!

This is not the point. The fact that the Holy spirit is involved necessitates top-notch accuracy!

They are not the same at all and only one can be true!

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1. Mark 15:26 - The inscription:“The King of the Jews.”

2. Matthew 27:37 - The inscription: “This is Jesus the King of the Jews.”

3. Luke 23:38 - The inscription: “This is the King of the Jews.”

4. John 19:19 - The inscription: “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.”

You should detail the falsehood! The accusation written on the cross was that He claimed to be the King of the Jews, yes or no? The renderings do not matter in good logic. The writers didn't write in Latin, and are not particular about putting it down word for word. The incident was a reported incident!

The fact that the Holy Spirit is involved necessitates top notch accuracy in the realms of spiritual revelations and not in the realms of terrestrial events that is the realm of man.

The Holy Spirit uses your knowledge, experiences and abilities. He can amplify them but that does not suspend your need for knowledge, research and mental alacrity.

If the Holy Spirit gives you top notch accuracy about all events and happenings, then the Bible won't command us to "study to show ourselves approved." You need to research, read and gather knowledge to write. The Holy Spirit won't reveal everything to you, except you directly ask. Humans are not God. The Holy Spirit does not make anyone omniscient!

AntiChristian:
Okay, please answer A -D right now!


I don't want to hear the letter killeth here o!

1. What's the difference between a thief and criminal? Is a thief not a criminal?

2. If someone chooses to record conversations and another does not deem it fit to record the conversations, does that then mean that the conversation didn't take place? Everyone recorded what they felt to be important, and if anyone recorded conversations, then, yes, the conversations took place!

3. If one person says the two thieves taunted Jesus, he wrote according to the information available to him. Another person wrote and clarified what exactly happened! One taunted and the other didn't!

4. If they don't count it to be important or they were not aware of the incident since they themselves were not at the foot of the cross.

These all shows that the disciples were not writing from a script. They all recorded an event that happened and narrated according to the limits of their human knowledge.

AntiChristian:
Call it anything you like! This is just one post out of many in the falsehood around the crucifixion of Jesus!



Ah! INRI is Latin and that's what John used! I saw that too above Jesus's alter at our parish back then so now you admit Matthew, Mark and Luke are all wrong in their report in this case?

What was written on Jesus cross is the same in all gospels. They're all correct even though they rendered it differently!

The point is that "The King of the Jews" was the basis of His accusation according to Pilate.

AntiChristian:
This story is completely false!

1. It is a fact everywhere that the Romans DO NOT crucify thieves!

2. The Gospel account of the story does not add up in each of the four Gospels.
In Mark - The two thieves are mentioned, but there is no conversation at all.
In Matthew 27:44 - The two thieves taunt Jesus.
In Luke 23:39-42 - One thief taunts Jesus and is criticized by the other. Jesus promises the 2nd thief that they would be in Paradise that day, though John and Acts say he did not ascend to heaven until 40 days after his resurrection!
John - The two men aren’t described as thieves but criminals! Goes against the other three above!

Or is there any other explanation around these?
A. Are they thieves or criminals?
B. Was there a conversation between the thieves or not?
C. Did one thief taunt Jesus or the two taunts Jesus?
D. How can the incidence in Luke happen and the three other Gospel fail to narrate a big story like that?

The Romans don't crucify thieves that are Roman citizens! Thieves that are foreigners to Rome undergo regular crucification!

Everyone wrote what he knew about the crucification to the best of his knowledge. What Mark knows, Luke may not know. What John knows, Mathew may not know. Hence all the reports put together give us a lot of details about what happened. Not necessarily everything that happened. We cannot know everything that happened but the four gospels complementing one another gave us good details.

AntiChristian:
Inscription on Jesus’ Cross!

When crucified, Jesus’ cross had an inscription — but what did it say?

1. Mark 15:26 - The inscription:“The King of the Jews.”

2. Matthew 27:37 - The inscription: “This is Jesus the King of the Jews.”

3. Luke 23:38 - The inscription: “This is the King of the Jews.”

4. John 19:19 - The inscription: “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.”



This Apostle John Sabi put top-notch jara o!

Na so we dey see INRI above Jesus head on the alter!

Latin - "Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum"
English - "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews"! Every Christian loves John!

You just want to be a nuisance for absolutely no reasonable cause!

What was written on the cross was INRI. Was the Bible originally written in English? Different translators translated INRI in different way which all meant the same things but you're here being a nuisance.

AntiChristian:
You knew this before you came to answer the question in the thread! And the Holy spirit in you should be able to explain to us without the Holy Spirit. It seems people have to embrace Holy Spirit to understand the Bible!

How are men spirits housed in Human bodies according to Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being?

That breath of life na spirit abi? So where did the soul enter Adam?

Yeah, the Holy Spirit has given me answers to all the childish questions you've asked. You're really carnal and lacking in spiritual understanding.

Did you quote Genesis 2:7 and still asked where the soul came from? Your answer is in the same Genesis 2:7 you quoted.

"And God formed the human [adam] dust from the ground [adamah], and he exhaled into his nostril breath of life [spirit], and the human became as a living soul. "

AntiChristian:
I don't think your Holy Spirit is capable of explaining the verses!
The word is a spirit, was Jesus a spirit when he said the verse? He said for whatever the father does the son does!

What revelation do i need to explain what is clearly an extreme exaggeration just like the trinity?

You're very limited in understanding since you're not spiritual. You're carnal and your eyes aren't open.

God's Word is Spirit. Jesus was a Spirit covered with flesh. Even men are spirits housed in human bodies. What's difficult for you to understand in that? You keep asking childish questions that even a 9 year old should not ask.

AntiChristian:
So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do NOTHING by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For WHATEVER the Father does, the Son also does. John 5:19! Emphasis on the capitalized words! What the texts says is contradictory to your theory! Jesus sees the father doing something before he does it. This is a simple copy cat case!

The copy is the same as the one between your mind and your words. Don't you know that the statement is also applicable to simultaneous actions?

So the word God has been speaking from the time of Adam was clothed with flesh to make Jesus? But God was still speaking when Jesus was on earth! God said this is my beloved son in who I'm well pleased! It's like God's word could have produced more than one Jesuses at that time! More confusion!

Jesus is the Word of God. The fact that the Word was clothed in flesh does not mean the Word of God has ceased.

The Word is a Spirit. You need Revelation to know God my dear. Your human logic is failing you.

AntiChristian:
You are just confusing and muddling things up here and there! I guess anyone following this thread will see the same thing! How does Jesus seeing the father and copying what he sees corresponds to the father speaking?

1. Jesus sees the father doing something and he copies it. That's simple John 5:19!
2. Your own theory is Jesus does an action that's God speaking!

Can you show me where Jesus said He copies the Father?

Jesus is Himself the Word of God. Does your word copy what is on your mind?

What's confusing you in all these?

God spoke to many people and Jesus didn't come out as his word!

The Word that comes out of God's mouth is Jesus Himself before it was clothed with fresh.

AntiChristian:
For example, When Jesus wept! The Father must have conceived weeping and spoken it right?

If that's the level of your understanding.

Okay you said God behaves like a being. Angels too behave like beings!

Show me where I said that. Do you know what you're reading at all?

b]Of course it hard to believe that when God spoke to Adam, Noah, Moses, etc Jesus was the word coming out as speech![/b]

Jesus is the Word of God.

Before Jesus died the father would have conceived death and spoken it so Jesus will just carry it out! But the verse below says Jesus sees his father doing it. it never mentions the father conceiving and speaking it for Jesus to carry it out! Jesus actually saw the father doing it.

You still don't understand such a simple statement as "Whenever you see Jesus in action, that's God speaking."? Find time to grasp this first.

So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do NOTHING by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For WHATEVER the Father does, the Son also does. John 5:18-19!

Whenever you see Jesus in action, that's the God speaking.

AntiChristian:
So when God speaks Jesus is what comes out as God's speech? In the Bible does the word of God have a separate sit at the right hand of the father?

When you see Jesus action. That's God speaking. Whatever Jesus does is the Word of God at that moment.

In one part you said he's not a being! then later you stated him having eyes, head, etc typical of a being! Anyways! All these you need revelation to understand the Bible is untrue! Otherwise there won't be many written commentaries and exegesis of the Bible. Everyone would just be waiting for Holy Spirit! Moreso, Holy Spirit wasn't involved in the writing of the Bible, nor in its compilation! The writers were writing independently and each books existed on its own till some church fathers agreed to make it what it is today!

Can you show me where I said He's not a Being? Didn't I tell you that your own word is not a being but God's Word is a Being? Do you read to forget to easily?

It is conceived now not spoken? Alright!

Didn't I tell you that Jesus is Himself the spoken Word of God? You don't look for any other Word of God apart from Jesus. When you see Jesus in action, that's God speaking out what He had conceived in His mind. This is very simple now. Why is it difficult for you to comprehend?

So tell me what happened to the father before Jesus died based on John 5:19?

Read my previous responses for your answer.

AntiChristian:
So tell us where God showed you explicitly how He operates?

Read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you'll immediately notice the pattern. I gave you a scripture verse yesterday. Look into it too.

See these Scriptures too:

When God wanted to heal, what did He do?

"He sent His word and healed them, and delivered them from their destruction." - Psalm 107:20

He sent His Word.

God sends His Word on errands:

"So shall My Word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it."

Where did God Himself specifically mention His word as a being? Show us the proofs for all these theories from God Himself!

Wrong question. Where did God specifically mention Himself as a Being? That's the first question. God never mentioned Himself as being a Being, did He? We know because of what He does. He behaves like a Being. The Word behaves like a Being too. The Spirit behaves like Being. God has never said "Hey, I'm a Being." Or "hey, My Word is a Being." The same way your father never told you he's a being. You know he's a being by your interactions with him. I know the Word is a Being by my interactions with the Word.

In Christendom. We don't go by letters but by Revelation. Your eyes need to be open to see what ordinary men cannot see in the Scriptures. Revelation is the real food of the spirit. Not mere letters which you wrestle with on a daily basis. Infact, the Word itself has nothing to offer man. It's Revelation that flourishes the spirit and the soul of man, and also heals his body. If the Word is not revealed to you, you can never see anything. You'll only come online all day to create threads that will never profit your soul.

But you see, by the time we got to John, 1, we have a declaration that the Word was covered with flesh and dwelt among men. Then, in the book of Revelation, John himself saw the Word:

Revelation 19:12-13

"His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God."

Conceiving an action in the mind and speaking it out are two different things! But you claim it is no contradiction so why are you hiding your proofs till now?

You still don't get it. Once God conceives an action in His mind, the Word goes forth to make it happen. It's not that God thinks, then speaks, then the word starts doing. No.

See it this way: if your children understand your body language, they'll know exactly what you want done and go do it.

It's in the Father's mind which is the same as the Son's {The Word} mind, the Word just goes forth and does it. When the Word is doing it, that's the Father speaking. When the Holy Ghost is manifesting it, that's the Father at work.

AntiChristian:
This is simply your interpretation that lacks explicit references from your Bible. However you really tried a little.

But it still falls short of explaining the OP! You even created another set of problems by mentioning the trinity!

1. So the father had already eaten in mind before Jesus ate?

2. The father had already died in his mind before Jesus died?

3. The father had already risen before Jesus rose from the dead?

4. The father already wept before Jesus wept in John 11:35?

5. And if the three are one and one i.e. the son died how are they still one?

6. If the father and the spirit has never died nor become man, doesn't that mean Jesus is superior to them? " The father is greater than I" Jesus said!

God does not operate the way you think. His way are higher than yours. Whatever is in God's mind, He does it through His Word.

If you want to build a house, how do you build it? You conceive it first in your mind, then you start speaking, and actions then follow. Your bank, architects, surveyors, masons, etc all begin to act on what you have said. Is that not it? The only difference is that God's Word is a being while yours is not. The Holy Spirit acts on the Word to bring it to pass.

7. Lastly you contradicted yourself in the statements in bold. In the first you wrote the father was speaking it for Jesus to act. In the latter you said the father does it in his mind then Jesus acts. This is due to your own exegesis which is not established upon any biblical fact.

There's no contradiction. You simply don't comprehend. The Word is not separate from God. The Word goes forth and performs. There's nothing like "When God speaks, then the Word will do..." God sends the Word to do what is in His mind. The Word does what is in God's mind. Jesus is the Word of God covered in fresh.

Ohyoudidnt:
Why the However if they are one and equal in the trinity?

The obvious contradiction in the belief that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one and equal, yet the Father holds a position of authority over the other two, is complex, mysterious, contradictory and simply plain stupid dumb

That's as far as your understanding can carry you. You yourself have a Spirit, a Soul and a Body. Go and understand that before you try to understand God. God created man in His image.

The Spirit, Soul and Body have distinct roles, yet they're one person. However, the Spirit of a man is higher than his soul and body.

AntiChristian:
So how is this statement true "For whatever the Father does, the Son also does" What does it mean as you never really answered it? GothamCities, mightysparrow

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. However, all administration resides in the Father. The three have one mind. The Father is the Administrator while the Son is the Executor. The Holy Spirit is the Operator or 'Manifestor'.

For example, whatever the Father wants to do, He simply Speaks it. The Son who is the Word of the Father goes out to make it happen. The Holy Spirit then manifests what the Word (Son) has accomplished.

Isaiah 34:16 says:
“His mouth has commanded it and His Spirit hath gathered them.”

This verse above shows the Trinity in action. His mouth commands. That's the Word sent out. His Spirit gathers or manifests what the Word has accomplished.

This is what Jesus meant. Whatever the Father does in His Mind is carried out by the Son and manifested by the Holy Ghost.

The Father administers the universe through His Word (The Son) and His Holy Spirit.

AntiChristian:
What is Taqquiya? Where can it be found in the Qur'an or Sunnah?

You're asking me? Lol!

You are right! There are Proofs of Muslims killing in all states in Nigeria! You can't be wrong as you have the Holy Spirit!

No, they're killing all.over the world and are still bent on doing more and more killing through Boko Haram, Hezbollah, ISIS, Al-quaeda, and frequent pockets of Islamic violence from place to place like the killing of Deborah Samuel.

Does that mean the Torah and Psalms were counterfeits too? So why was Jesus and others quoting the Torah if it's a counterfeit that came before the original?

Tell me if there are any Torah or Psalm that came after the original Torah and Psalm.

Ah! See big lie, i mean a preposterous falsehood! No Prophecy of the Qur'an had been fulfilled! Did you even use Google at all? Anyways! You can still use it as i said Holy Spirit does not exist in any Christian i have met! Makes me question the entity called by that name in Christendom!

Do you just want to blackmail me as you do every Christian? Tell me where I said no prophecy of the Quran has been fulfilled. Please just quote it out right now!

Is this your Prophecy?
The Overthrow of Nineveh Nahum 2:1-4
One who scatters advances against you, O Nineveh. Guard the fortress! Watch the road! Brace yourselves! Summon all your strength! For the LORD will restore the splendor of Jacob like the splendor of Israel, though destroyers have laid them waste and ruined the branches of their vine. The shields of his mighty men are red; the valiant warriors are dressed in scarlet. The fittings of the chariots flash like fire on the day they are prepared, and the spears of cypress have been brandished. The chariots dash through the streets; they rush around the plazas, appearing like torches, darting about like lightning.

It's better to wait till the hereafter! But stop the lies sha!

Where are the lies? You're the one who should stop the lies except you can point me to the lie I told.

Thundafireseun:
How does Kogi state generate its revenue?

You have your answer in the screenshot:

Thundafireseun:
With FAAC Kogi state is still struggling to pay salaries…..

How much more when it disappears??

Yet KOGI state is not on the list….. foooooooolish list

Kogi should not be on the list. The governors are the problems of the state. Not the allocation or state revenue.

AntiChristian:
Stop the lies! If only Christian and Jews are hated why do we eat their food and marry their females and not that of the idolators? Repent from your lies! Everything is written in the same Qur'an!

Taqquiya!

I don't need to provide any proof of Muslims killing Christians. Everybody knows. Proofs full ground.

You said the Bible prophecy is the fake one? Hahaha.

I didn't know you could be so deluded. Look, the counterfeit always comes after the original. Have you ever seen counterfeit being produced before original? Lol.

No prophecy of the Quran had been fulfilled. The Bible has counters fulfilled prophecies. Infact go and study about the Prophecy of Daniel regarding Alexander the Great and Antiochus Epiphanes. Prophecies that were made about 350years before the events happened and they happened chronologically as priohesied. What prophecy has the Quran? SMH.

Let me give you a gist. The day of the Lord is at hand. The Bible says

"The horses will be with flaming torches in the day of the Lord. They will run to and fro and jostle themselves in the streets."

That prophecy is more that 2,500 years old. Do the horses now have flaming torches? You know the answer. Do they now jostle themselves in the streets? You know the answer too. Only God knows how many cars have jostled themselves today alone on the streets.

Let's wait patiently and see who is God, whether YHWH or Allah.

AntiChristian:
Did you skip it? That means you are insincere! You would have seen it if you read it well! In Numbers 31 for example, all the properties of those people were stolen and shared with the kid virgins! Even Yahweh got a share of the loot too! Jesus would get a share too!

Can you show me explicitly where the kid virgins were married by anyone in the verses you quoted? Let's see how it is similar to Mohammed's paedophilia.

I'm not also affirming anything here! You didn't give any details as to which war you are talking about where Jews and Christians were killed for no reason! So na to just overlook you!

Neither did your quran specify any detail as to which war because there was no war. It was just a command to kill Christians and Jews for no reason.

From Numbers 31, we can agree Yahweh supports Pedophilia to have agreed to share virgin-girls loots and booties with the murderers!

We need to see the example of how someone married any of the kid virgins the same way Mohammed married 4 yr old Aisha. We need to see how YHWH commanded it that they should be married off.

You don't need to give excuse for the crimes! Do you need excuses from Muslims as regard their Qur'an?

The only difference is that there were no crimes! So, there's no excuse to give. I'm just exposing your lying attempt to portray what is not as what is. Mohammed committed crimes which you could not defend. Instead you're looking for ways to use the Bible to justify his crimes, but you see, there's no way!

Muhammad married all his wives legally as he deems fit. Again, the virgin girls shared to Yahweh ranges from babies to adults! They were spared for the warriors and Yahweh! Did Yahweh finger them too or the Priest helped him?

Can you show us that the kids were married off? Mohammed fingered the kid Aisha. I'm not the one who said it, it's in your books. Direct your anger towards your prophet for embarrassing you or towards those who.recorded that crime for not lying about it. You should have said mohammed married a 4 year old girl legally. Hilarious!

Na Prince of Peace give this kind laws? So much for Jesus christ the same yesterday today and forever! He was brutal yesterday but soft today!

This is where you missed it. So, you believe that Jesus was the One who made those laws in the Old testament. That's interesting. So, why do you have problems with Jesus being God and not an ordinary human?

God made brutal laws for the Israelites to show His stance regarding sin. You know, you Muslims don't understand the weightiness of sin. You even think it hangs on your neck and falls off when you bow to pray. Hilarious! In the Old Testament, God was dealing with ONLY ISRAEL and not the world. Through Israel, God was doing the following:

1. Demonstrating His serious hatred for sin.

2. Demonstrating that sin has serious consequences.

3. Demonstrating that man cannot be righteous according to God's standards.

4. Showing man that He needs help to live righteously and get closer to God.

This foundation was necessary in order for the world to appreciate the Work of Jesus and blessings of Salvation. After God was done using Israel as a Demo in His plan of Salvation, He released His help unto the world through Jesus Christ. Jesus is the One who now suffered the brutality we were supposed to suffer. By a simple faith in Christ, we can now have God's righteousness. God is still brutal towards sin but Christ has suffered for us! Hence, we need not suffer anymore!

They didn't commit genocide and kill animals when they attacked Israel! And the people who committed the offence were dead! You are yet to mention the crime Muhammad commit and show me where it is forbidden!

The people who committed the offence were dead, but their generations continued to be a thorn in Israel's flesh. God promised to.wipe out that nation the very day they committed that crime. God is not unjust to fulfil His promise of judgement especially if the sinner refuses to repent.

Lie lie! In Genesis 38, God killed Er Judas's 1st son for an undisclosed sin. Same God killed Onan for spilling sperm refusing to birth kids for his dead brother! Later Judah impregnated his daughter in law and God didn't kill him! That's justice!

God killed two of a man's sons for being wicked. God doesn't take actions on priority for just a single act of wickedness. He waits patiently for you to repent until your cup is full. The wicked son died when his cup was full. The other son who was also wicked died after he committed the sin which was the last straw that broke the camel's back. God also does not punish people for sins they didn't deliberately commit. Judah slept with his daughter in-law unknowingly and felt sorry when he later knew. He confessed that the girl was even more righteous than himself. That statement alone is enough for God to forgive him. When a sinner acknowledges that he is unrighteous, God's bowels are moved towards him in mercy just like the Malefactor on the cross on Jesus' right hand. You don't know God my dear. Where's the injustice? Did the sons do wickedness deliberately? Yes! Did Judah sleep with his daughter in-law deliberately? No!

Same verse is being used by Netayanhu to kill Palestinians now!

Yes, because that's the same way the Amalekites attacked innocent and harmless people when they were journeying from Egypt. The Palestinians attacked harmless Israelites, burning babies alive. Axing people like planks. I watched the video and could t believe that people could be so wicked. The brutalized and raped helpless girls and old women while they jubilated and celebrated all over Palestine. They took a 21 year old girl, killed her in the most brutal manner and paraded her naked body with gusto all over Palestine . The Palestinians cheered. No mercy. Everyone was happy. They deserve what they're getting but Israel is still a merciful nation. If the terrorists are not using their priority as human shields, only the terrorists would have died.

The Bible is already painted in red! It doesn't look similar but is the worse book on earth! There's hardly any vice you can't use the Bible to promote! From Alcohol to Gambling to Genocide to rape, etc. You can give excuses till tomorrow! I still have lots of verses that are clear Yahweh was really brutal before repenting when he sent his son (or himself) to earth!

Well, that's according to this Mohammedian. The testimonies of changed lives is proof that the Bible is the greater book in the universe.

The Bible has changed former hardened criminals, armed robbery, very many. Chronic terrorists have given their lives to Christ and have become loving humans. Very many of them. High ranking cultists have left the cults to.follow Jesus who has made them better humans. What has the Quran done? Hezbollah, Al-quaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc. I learnt that another one just surfaced in Sokoto. What else can the Quran offer except bloodshed and violence. Who killed Deborah Samuel? The Quran people of course!

honesttalk21:
Only the truth truly sets anyone free.

Historical evidence strongly indicates that the wine mentioned in biblical texts was, in fact, an alcoholic beverage. This is not in variance to present day definition as the screenshots containing descriptions show. You contemporary Christians should recognize this reality while also appreciating the cultural importance of wine in those historical contexts.

Even if it is less than 5% the fact remains that it contains alcohol. If some modern day christians appreciate the common tendency for abuse and decide to lie in calling what is not wine communion wine do remain upright at speak the truth. Communion wine is replaced by unfermented juice.

I don't think there was a differentiation in those days between alcoholic and none alcoholic wine. Wine was just wine. However, I don't believe that the Bible refers to alcoholic wine in its discourse, because the Bible makes a differentiation, even though none-jewish cultures didn't. Alcoholic wines in the Bible are not called wines but rather Strong Drinks. It is easy for commentators today to easily think that the wines the Bible refers to are alcoholic if they fail to understand the fact that the Bible calls alcoholic wines Strong Drinks.

Now, look for instance at the marriage in Cana of Galilee where Jesus turned water to wine. The MC of the occasion confessed that, that wine was a really different wine. It wasn't the type that obtainable anywhere, and you can agree with me that the wine was not alcoholic. People over drank because it was tasteful as we could deduce from the words of the MC. They really drank but no one was ever intoxicated. The Bible does not support the drinking of alcohol. Even when drinking none alcoholic wines, we're told to do it in moderation. No excessive drinking.

honesttalk21:
Very fair attempt but look at these snapshots with institutionalized definition.

When did it become a concern to replace wine with juice?

Do all churches abandon wine for juice?

Ask a chemist if there is any such thing as a non alcoholic brew.
When you use blackcurrant is it the juice or blackcurrant flavoured wine.

Don't bother answering please.

The OP was only trying to pass a message and not open the floor for a debate originally spoken against.

PS THE ADOPTION OF JUICE AND NON ALCOHOLICS FOR COMMUNION IN SOME CHURCHES WASN'T BEFORE THE MIDDLE OF THE 19TH CENTURY.

When we say wine in Christendom, we mean none alcoholic wine. We're not talking about the technicalities involved. Blackcurrant is not considered alcohol, and none alcoholic wines always come with the inscription "None Alcoholic". If we want to start going into technicalities like you have done in this your post, we'll then have to add most of the carbohydrates we eat. Technically speaking, most carbohydrates are alcoholic. This is not the type of alcohol content we're talking about. No Christians don't drink alcohol. Only church goers do.

AntiChristian:
I can say the same thing of Joshua, Moses, Saul and many other notable Bible personalities on the order of Yahweh! Even by the same standards your Yahweh Jehovah should get a backlash of accepting a share of the virgins of war in Numbers 31:40.

It's already stale. Tell us how Moses, Joshua, Saul, etc hated people and therefore received a revelation to kill them. Or how they covered the wives of their stepsons and received a revelation for them to divorce. Tell us how they married 9 year old girls and robbed caravans.

I'm happy that you're not denying the truth about the criminality of your prophet. What you now want to do is to prove that the same criminality was practiced by Moses, Joshua, Saul and others. Please answer the question above for your proof.

Yahweh commands Execution by Stoning
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
Deuteronomy 13:6-10

How does this look similar to Mohammed's murders, criminality and paedophilia?

The above scripture you quoted was a law given to Israel to be practiced within Israel by Israelites after God made a covenant with them. It was applicable to Israel alone. It was a condition for the covenant God had with them.

Tell us how it is similar to that or Mohamed who went on rampage committing crimes against people with whom Allah had no covenant. Forcing them to accept Islam. Tell us how it relates to Mohammed receiving revelations for wearing hijab when someone peeped at the unclothedness of his wife. Tell us how it relates to Mohammed robbing caravans, fingering a 4 yr old girl and marrying her at 9 when he was 54.

Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; for the Lord your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.
Deuteronomy 6:14

"Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed."Exodus 22:20

A law to keep the Jew with the bound of the covenant that God had with them. They had the right at the time whether to accept or reject the covenant. As long as they accepted the covenant, the law was given them as a condition for maintaining the covenant. In what way is this similar to the criminalities of mohammed?

This is what the LORD of Hosts says: ‘I witnessed what the Amalekites did to the Israelites when they ambushed them on their way up from Egypt. 3Now go and attack the Amalekites and devote to destruction all that belongs to them. Do not spare them, but put to death men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys. 1 Samuel 15:3

Yes, the Amalekites attacked the young, the weak and the old of Israel when they were journeying from Egypt even when they did them no harm. God promised judgement upon them that day. Since the Amalekites never repented, God had to send them judgement after waiting for about 500yrs for them to repent. How does this justify the criminal ways of Mohammed?

When the Israelites committed this type of sin against the Gibeonites in the days of Saul, God punished even the Israelites in the same manner. That's a God that judges justly without partiality! Tell me how this justifies the criminal prophet you're following?

How to Treat a disobedient stubborn or rebellious son
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Yes, because God hates delinquency and waywardness. He gave them a law to deter stubbornness and rebellion among the Israelites. It was a law meant to be a deterrent. All Israelites know that law. So, if you love yourself, you better not break the law as an Israelite.

Now, how does that exonerate Mohammed from being a criminal that he was? A murderer, robber, paedophile and thief. Tell me how it justifies him.

Your attempt to paint the Bible in black using falsehood and deceit has failed. There's nothing in the Bible that looks similar to what Mohammed did. He was a very wicked man and infact a villain.

AntiChristian:
Are Muslims not a subset of the EVERYONE you mentioned? In your first sentence you said you don't believe MUSLIMS are destined to hell if they don't accept Jesus! Then later you said EVERYONE who doesn't accept Jesus is destined to hell. I wonder how you don't see the anomaly in what you typed! Make i no call you liar again cos i don tire! Maybe it's a mistake! Mind you it's a Muslim vs Christian conversation and not an EVERYONE vs Christian conversation!

You gave it a Muslim colouration, and I made you to know that Christians are inclusive. It is unlike your lopsided ideology where Christians and Jews are hated. We do not hate anyone. That's why we preach out of love for everyone to be saved.

Deliberately calling color white black is a lie. And that's what you guys always do! Even if i point it out you won't see it. Just as you still did again up there!

You're lying and I've debunked your lies.

Abeg comot here with your falsehood! The friendship of a wolf is to eat the sheep! You only befriend non-Christians for you to convert them! That's all! Fishers of men!

But you said we don't befriend them. Why change mouth? What should we say of you who don't befriend but only kill. You don't know more than kill, kill, kill, kill!

We don't convert people. Only the Lord does that. We'll only preach to you. Then, it's your choice to choose salvation or damnation. Our message is only Eternal Hope and Salvation in Christ Jesus. Your own message is "accept Islam or die." You do not even preach salvation or any eternal hope. You're only interested in proselyting by force.

I don't know why you always like to spread falsehood like this. Point out my lie? Show me where Paul calls the "Yoke" in 2 Corinthians 6:14 that of marriage! The yoke is a metaphor for a partnership or relationship. The verse warns against forming close relationships with people who do not share the same faith and values! You quoted Qur'an 5:51 which i responded to!
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guides not wrongdoing folk.

You see yourself? You said the yoke is a metaphor for partnership or relation. A friendship is not a yoke! But it becomes a yoke when there's a covenant added to the friendship. How's a friendship a yoke for heaven's sake! Marriage or covenant friendship are yokes. There's no yoke until there's a covenant in place. A marriage is a yoke because of the covenant. You cannot just easily break a marriage without following due process. That's a yoke. You cannot just break a covenant friendship without following due process. A normal friendship is not a yoke. Anyone can decide to end the friendship at anytime without explanation!

This came long before the verse i quoted and there is no relationship between them at all!


Of course, you won't get the gist! It's only verses that look devilish you'll be seeing to promote your devilish narratives about Islam!

So, you know that there are devilish verses in Islam? Now, you're taking. TenQ should know about this. Yeah, we will talk about them because they should not be there if truly they're of God. And no, I didn't talk about them, I responded to a post by one of your brothers who wanted to lie to us that you don't hate us. And you did a good job by letting us know that your brother lied and your hatred is real.

It's the Jew's moment now! The Jews will usher in the Dajjal (false Messiah)! Then Jesus will lead the Muslims in a war against the Dajjal and finally kill him at the gate of al-Ludd (Lod), which is in Palestine, near al-Quds (Jerusalem)! The Prophecies is clear in Islam!

Tell me where I boasted that ISRAEL IS FULFILLING A PROPHECY TO DEFEAT ALL THE MUSLIMS AROUND IT. I really need to expose you as the liar.

The false Messiah is the Antichrist. Yeah, he wouldn't call himself a Messiah but he'll bring a momentary peace to the Middle East crises. That's the Bible. There was no middle East crises before this prophecy was released. This shows you the accuracy of scripture. How did the Bible know that there'll be crises in the middle East? The peace by the antichrist will last 3 and half years, after which the antichrist will start persecuting Christians and Jews. He'll lead a global war against Jerusalem. At that time, the temple of Solomon will be standing in Jerusalem. Jesus will come and annihilate the antichrist and his vast army, and establish a millennial reign in Jerusalem. This is the TRUTH which your Quran has counterfeited. This prophecy has existed before Mohammed was ever born. Take note. Many parts of it have been fulfilled, the other parts which are still future are what I just told you above. If only you were wise, you would have done your soul a lot of good by listening to wise counsels and reexamine the position of your soul in eternity. That prophecy of the Quran about Jesus leading the Muslims to fight any false Messiah is fake. A counterfeit of the original prophecy!

We don't need you to commit it to memory! We'll keep pointing out your lies when you spill your blunders here as usual!

Then, you should not be asking me for them if you don't need me to commit them to memory.

But, so far so good, I'm the one busting your lies here. You still haven't proven any lies against me! I have exposed several of your lies already!

Bwilliam:
Brother, I wish I can give you a firm handshake.
You really know this death cult that's masquerading as a religion very well.
Some of the verses like the one that says ".. there is no compulsion in religion..." was issued when Mohammad had no army or band of thieves that he controlled, but that verse was quickly abrogated when he grew an army of followers by promising them rewards and riches if they followed him to raid the caravan of the Quresh tribes.

I'm re-reading the Quran, and it reminds me of Hitler's Mein kampf. It's just filled with the ranting of a man who was rightly rejected by Jews and Christians who saw through his pseudo religious facade.
The same man whose teenage wife Aisha saw through him when she said to Him "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires (hawa)"

When you read the Sira, hadiths and tasfirs, you'll understand why he hates Christians and loaths Jews with passion. His commands to his followers on how to treat Jews and Christians, is simply his way of getting back at a people whom he feels humiliated him.

Yet, antichristian is hoping earnestly to die a Muslim.

The bolded is the whole TRUTH regarding Mohammed's revelations. Whatever he wishes or desires, he receives a revelation for it.

1. He hates Christians and Jews, hence a revelation came to have them pursued and killed.

2. Someone was peeping at the unclothedness of one of his wives while she was peeing, boom! He received a revelation for hijab.

3. He desired the wife of his son in-law, boom! He received a revelation for his to divorce his wife which mohammed later cornered.

There's a Nairalander here with the Monicker, TenQ. He has written a lot regarding the fraudulent life mohammed lived. If that guy was to be in the world today, he would be in jail for numerous murders, paedophile and armed robbery. Yet, this is the lord and master of some people. SMH.

Thanks bro for further accentuating these things.