₦airaland Forum

duduspace:
Not worth responding to, can we have the indices by which this ranking came about first of all and then maybe a worthwhile discussion can ensue.

That is the point. I still can't believe people are debating without even talking about the indices for the ranking. Is it really the poorest State, or the State with the second lowest Federal allocation? Even if it has the lowest allocation, is that why it should be regarded as poor? And to think some are jumping up and down in excitement like baboons that a State is poor? Our discourse should center round how true federalism would ensure that all States are productive. Already we see Governors in the region coming together to see how they would build infrastructure that would ensure that States like Ekiti benefit from the population of States like Lagos, thereby developing the entire region. With true federalism in place, this kind of initiative will be accelerated.

chino11:
Wrong Obasanjo is the problem and not Atiku. Go back to the history since 1999. Obasanjor and Yorubas has always been the problem

If you feel OBJ is the problem, that is your personal opinion. Just leave Yoruba people out of your misery. Stop referring to Yorubas in every post. Keep your hatred within your immediate environment, as we do not want to share your misdirected venom.

chino11:
Obasanjo a yorobah is the Nigeria's biggest woes

This is the spelling - Y.O.R.U.B.A. Several contributors will gladly be of help if you have more spelling problems; just keep your hatred within your household. We do not want to partake of it.

Obasanjo has contributed his quota to Nigeria's growth; surely, more so (in multiples) than Mr. Atiku. I think Mr. Atiku should just shut up and retire.

Real Madrid, one of the most dominant clubs in European cup history, has qualified for the quarter-finals of the Champions league for the first time in seven years by defeating Lyon by three goals to nil. This made it a 4-1 on aggregate victory.

It also shows the superior quality of coach Jose Mourinho, who has remained consistent no matter the club he has had the opportunity to coach.

He is now on track to become the first coach to win the champions' league with three different clubs. If he can actualize this, he surely must be regarded as one of the greatest coaches of all times.

Mourinho, you be man wey sabi.

maasoap:
By year 2020, the population of muslims is expected to double that of the year 1990, Christians are in real troubles. The rate at which muslims population is growing is higher than that of the world's population growth rate. In Nigeria, it doesn't matter how many Muslims convert to Christians, we will surely out number you even if it is assumed to be 50:50 now. I can only blame those who are trying to explain things to you because, I knew that once people have already had mind set abt a thing, it is difficult to make them see d truth. Who is asking you to understand Islam? If any Nigerian Christian should hate Nigerian Muslims, it means such Christian will never know happiness in his/her life anymore. This is because Muslims are everywhere. Christians, watch your back, we're just waiting for the moment when we will out number you in ratio 3:1. Pig eaters!

You are on the wrong thread, bro. Read the posts from the beginning and you will understand what we are talking about here. Then you can leave a comment.

BetaThings:
So why did they kill that Imam if they are both muslims?

Why do Shiites kill Sunnis if they are both muslims? Answer this, and it will provide you some clarification. I have already answered this in my previous post, but you have chosen not to take the post in its context.

BetaThings:
BTW - there are certain things that you believe in and/or do that take you out of the fold of Islam
If a man who prays in the mosque, go for Hajj etc believes it is right to take the lives of people the way the Boko Haram are doing he is toying with disbelief. I have no right to judge their faith (I cannot and I will not)  and declare them non-believers, but they are living on the edge

Thank God you finally agree that you have no right to judge their faith. They are muslim believers, and have gone ahead in misplaced exuberance, to do what is wrong in the eyes of God and man. That is my point. Guys should not come here and claim that Boko Haram is not islamic in nature. They have done evil beyond the scope of religion and more clerics should come out and preach peace. Simple

BetaThings:
But the hue and cry here is not about praying 5 times daily, pilgrimage etc
No, it is about violence. The very thing Muslims say is not part of the religion

Regarding Reverend King
I mistakenly assumed that Reverend King is in this mould - thanks for the correction
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mt. 3.10 · Lk. 3.9
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them

What hue and cry? The religion itself is being preached (wrongly) with emphasis on violence in Northern Nigeria. This is the issue. More clerics need to stop preaching jihad, and paradise with virgins as reward for violence, and how you are better than "infidels". Unfortunately, that is the main thrust of preachings up here. That is what we need to change.
Reverend King sinned and did evil. His actions are pure, adulterated evil. You made no mistake in your assumption, but will you now say he is not Christian? That is my point. Evil should be preached against by clerics. I'm sure you get it now.

BetaThings:
It should be clear to any objective seeker of truth that christians do not play by the rule of fairness

Here we go again. We are talking about Muslims killing a Muslim cleric who asked them to stop killing, and you just cannot help but bring Christianity into the issue. Your bias and prejudice is clear. On this thread, I have not seen anyone start a comment with the phrase - "I am a Christian", yet you have transferred your bitterness and aggression towards Christians from one thread to the next. This shows why so many Muslims would Kill people that have never offended them before. It's all transferred aggression and frustration.

BetaThings:
This video has been adapted by Nigerian christians and used to paint Islam black
http://www.france24.com/en/20100703-democratic-republic-congo-deaths-explosion-fuel-tanker-fire

By Nigerian Christians? In what Church? What area? What State of the Federation? How do you know they are Christians, and even if they are, that they speak the thoughts of Christians? BTW, you digress. This is not the topic of discussion. Stay focused.

BetaThings:
You have something against me referring to Muslims as People?
You can read, but you sure can read wrong meaning into a text. You have been all over saying the Boko Haram are muslims. Why not extend the same recognition to the man who died. He is people to you because what he did is commendable. But Boko Haram is always Muslim, never people

Now let us explore your selective assessment of my posts on this thread. You will notice that I have referred to the late man as Late Imam, and even regarded him as a hero. I believe the word "Imam" denotes that one is Muslim. How come you now picked one line where I called on people to do good, and start insinuating bias. Be objective, bro. Also notice how I referred to Boko Haram as "Guys". All said, I believe the topic of discourse is "Muslim sect killing Imam in Northeast Nigeria", which means I should talk about Muslims in the North. Yes?

grabdbull:
@OP: It saddens me that someone who finally saw it fit to actually speak to his followers about real peace was killed by those who want it to be business as usual. This should not deter Muslims in the North who are tired of violence, from preaching peace. This is the beginning. As more clerics preach peace and love, we might be able to save a generation of religious practitioners from being brainwashed into blood thirsty fiends when they grow up; hell, we might even be able to reduce the blood lust of those already indoctrinated with this extreme violence.
The late Imam remains a hero.

These guys are Muslims (Boko Haram) doing it wrong. The late Imam was a Muslim who was doing it right.

BetaThings:
Sorry. I didn't know I was talking to an expert in propaganda. A man who was alarmed by indoctrination but now showing that he is equally guilty
When anybody who is a Muslims fights with anybody, he is quickly called a muslim, but when anybody who is a christian fights with anybody, he is a Berom, Jukun, Tiv etc

These are your words. You wrote this. You said "When Muslims fight". You also said "when Jukun and Tivs fight". Why are you now revising your own post? I sense a high level of insincerity here. You don't need to revise anything. You have said it, take responsibility for it.

BetaThings:
You have painstakingly read only those materials that are critical of Islam
I posted a link to show that when muslims opened a thread to strategise on how to deal with the issue of boko haram
christians jumped in and called them hypocrites
Now you are saying they should stop preaching hatred. what did the slain Imam do?

Sorry bro, what materials critical of Islam are you talking about? Show me where I quoted materials critical of Islam? I talked about what would happen to any Christian in Northern Nigeria, if in his quest for diverse knowledge, he decides to read the Koran, and he is seen. You doubted. So I showed you one link out of hundreds, to show real life situations.
You on the other hand, have failed to see, even on this thread, where people spoke out against the violence of the sect, and prayed for the soul of the late Imam. If you saw these posts, you did not assume these posters were Christians. On the other hand, as soon as you see a poster being critical of Islam, you automatically assume he is Christian, and further attack Christians. This is the indoctrination and hatred I am talking about.
This thread you are going on about, with regards to planning strategies to deal with the issue of Boko Haram, how do you know the religious profession of those that called you guys hypocrites? Even at that, if you have seen first hand, like I have, what damage religious crisis cause, you would appreciate why some will take your online efforts with a pinch of salt. Try making people understand your motives. Stop being on the defensive and using cliches like "religion of peace", "only religion", etc. Instead, let them know you appreciate the problem and their apprehension, and want to do something to correct the wrongs perpetuated by lost souls. This way, you have partners in progress and not rivals to engage in rofo-rofo fight.
The Imam preached against violence ( one out of millions), and was killed, not by any other group, but Muslims. His efforts should not be in vain. More should preach peace, and discourage millions from practicing murderous violence.

BetaThings:
Christians were calling muslims murderers before they even lived with them. Those in the South who have never lived in the North do the same

False, bro, false. People are called murderers when they kill. You do not expect that people who go to mosque to pray on Friday, and after prayers, start a riot ; burn churches; kill non-muslims would not be labelled appropriately. If they killed non-muslims, it means these non-muslims were already living in their midst. Now, we know there are many moderates out there, but how do you determine who is a moderate? As a non-muslim in Northern Nigeria, caution is a key ingredient for survival.

BetaThings:
I have seen Nigerian christians with prayer books against hamas. Please what is Nigerian christians issue with Hamas?

Pray tell, what are the names of these prayer books against hamas? Where did you see these Nigerian Christians with the books? What proportion of the Christian population? Did they "shoot or stab" anyone with these books? This claim is bogus. Put some body on it.

BetaThings:
Why did Nigerian christians support the invasion of Iraq. They pray that there should not be war in Nigeria, but don't mind it in Iraq

What do you base this assumption on? There are Christians in Iraq, bro. Did Christians come out to the streets in jubilation? Iraqi war had nothing to do with religion. You need to stop being paranoid about Christian this, Christian that.
There are clear cases where incidents in Foreign Countries eg, the Danish cartoon incident got Northern muslim in a frenzy of blood-letting. Now, that is support for evil. Get it right.

BetaThings:
Look at the posts here - Islam is violent etc - How many people posting here can point to personal experience of that?

So until dem cut person hand, before him go fit comment? Crap.

BetaThings:
Is he safe from who? Muslims? or Northerners? and in his library? How did you get your knowledge of Islam if you cannot read it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6477177.stm That is what happens to non-Muslims who touch the Koran in Northern Nigeria. Notice that the lady was killed by secondary school students. Why would children commit such a violent act in unison if not that they have been indoctrinated, and were actually waiting for an opportunity to kill with regards to this. If the link does not satisfy you, I can get you several more. This is not one-off incident; it is a regular pattern.

BetaThings:
So if the doctrine of Boko Haram fits the muslims, why did the Imam die?

I will give you some excerpts from my previous posts in order to answer your question. You will notice that in all I have written on this topic, I made it clear that Boko Haram are Muslims because they have the same beliefs as Muslims, and are actually an Islamic sect. They however went waaaaayyyyy overboard because of their violent practice. This violence can be traced to the indoctrination most Muslim Children in Northern Nigeria go through ( see link above for results of such indoctrination). Enjoy:



Boko Haram members have:

1.] Belief in Allah which includes;
-belief in oneness of Allah
-belief in His books [Quran, Taorat, Injil(Bible), Saburat]
-belief in Prophets [ Muhammed, Hisa (Jesus Christ), Musa etc]
-belief in Angels
-belief in Judgment Day
-belief in Destiny


They also:

2.] Bring forth 5 daily prayers

3.] Give alms to the poor

4.] Fast in the month of Ramadan

5.] Pilgrimage to Mecca when blessed

6.] Have Jumat prayers on Friday

7.] Make tapes preaching Islam

8.] Have an Islamic colony


I believe this outline is somewhat familiar to you. Ooooh yesssss, you said some of these were the attributes of true Muslims.


Please, do not get it wrong. Boko haram is a purely islamic organization, and they take huge doses of the religious opium. They had a huge mosque for their members in Maiduguri, before it was leveled by the army after their Fun. of madness got out of hand. They were very visible when it came to religious activities. We cannot now accuse them of not practicing their religion. They were actively practicing, albeit in a very wrong and diabolical way. This is what years of indoctrination gets you eventually.


So, if it looks like a dog, walks like a dog, barks like a dog, bites like a dog, pees like a dog, shits like a dog, it surely must be a bleeding dog!!! These guys are Muslims (Boko Haram) doing it wrong. The late Imam was a Muslim who was doing it right.

BetaThings:
Here you now betray your hatred for Islam. If majority of  muslim say that Boko Haram are extremists, why should you say there a there is a hand-in-glove fit. Muslims know that christians believe that adultery is a sin.
But when Rev King who also uses the bible administers his sentence, muslims do not say that yes, there is a hand-in-glove-fit
So who hates the other?
No lie is too big for a christian to say against muslims. Is that born out of love
Extremists existed at the time of the Prophet and he dissociated himself from it. Now why should we not continue to say that
Extremism is not part of the religion, Boko Haram's actions do not represent Islam

My post above still answers this. Boko Haram follow the teachings of Islam, hence the hand-in-glove remark. Why is it that you just take a part of my words and not the entire speech for its content? How come you noticed the hand-in-glove remark, but not the remark that they were doing things wrongly? That is what hate does to you, even to the extent of saying no lie is too big for a Christian to say against muslims. Reverend King is a Reverend. He is a Christian. A s.tupid murdering rapis.t, but still a Christian. You cannot take his profession from him. Boko Haram members are muslims. You cannot take that away from them. From your words, majority of muslims say boko haram are extremists, and I totally agree. Extremists? Yes. Muslims? Yes

BetaThings:
When Muslims fight in the North, they are muslims, when the Jukuns and the Tivs fight, they are not christians, they are Tivs and Jukuns

You have said it: "When muslims fight in the North" and "when the Jukuns and the Tivs fight". Even you have shown that you know the distinction.

BetaThings:
People? I get it! Now that he has spoken against Boko Haram, he is just people, not Muslim. Yet you talk about indoctrination
What indoctrination is greater than being unable to recognise a Muslim who is convinced about his true belief and speaking out
BTW - if violence is so rampant in Islam, how come we need Boko Haram as  a sect. why have the majority of muslims not  continuously been acting in the guerilla-fashion of the Boko Haram people?
What you need are more of you to recognise muslim's core principles. You stance of condemning Islam due to Boko Haram can only frustrate those who want to confront Boko Haram

I have maintained throughout my posts the core teachings of Islam and also talked about those doing it right and those doing it wrong. I even chastised someone trying to condemn the religion. Check the posts. You have something against me referring to Muslims as People? That's unfathomable. What indoctrination is greater than being unable to recognize someone who has made the distinction between those doing it right and those doing it wrong? You betray your obvious bias and I will show you how from one of your posts below.
Islam is not about violence. Check out the southern Muslims and learn. You know that the religious killings in North have been consistent over several decades. It is well documented, and I can give you more links to such activities. That said, the main problem is the indoctrination towards murder. If this is dealt with, Northern muslims would be safe people to live with.
I have highlighted Islam's core principles. Do not be blinded by hate, so much so that you would not acknowledge that I have posted some of them. Note that I am not condemning Islam at all, rather, I am condemning those that teach hate, and I am calling for more to preach love. Surely, you have no problem with love being preached, or do you? With regards to frustrating those who want to confront Boko Haram, brother pleeeeaaasssee! I am not asking any cleric to confront boko haram. I am saying they should preach love and stop indoctrinating the young ones to alter a violent future. The Army and police are confronting the rebels.

BetaThings:
However, I often find that majority of critics of muslims start by saying "I am a christian"
If a muslim opens a thread to address an issue of concern to Muslims, christians often hijack it to frustrate the efforts

You talk about hatred. Is that what you really experience? How many muslims have been converted into christians in the south because of the atmosphere in the south. Do you see christians providing the same atmosphere that could enable muslims convert christians? Look around on the net, christians join those other groups to criticise Islamic beliefs that are in the Bible

Now, that explains why you have your beef. Thank God you have admitted that the atmosphere in the south is conducive and people can be objectively converted from one religion to another. Muslims can convert Christians too if they draw them nearer as neighbors and brothers; invite them for Islamic programs; allow them to live safely wherever they choose in the North, instead of being forced to live in alleged safe havens, e.g. Sabon gari ni Kano, to avoid future attacks. You can't kill a man's brother today, and expect to convert him to your religion tomorrow.

ziccoit:
Calm down, calm down, calm down your blood pressure is rising which could be dangerous. I entered into this discuss with you assuming you are levelheaded. Saw some name callings in your third post but choose to ignore them thinking they were mistakes only to confirmed my fears in your previous post. Who is now intolerant of others?

You got me wrong again, for reasons which I don't know. I am doubting whether you actually read my posts.

Mark my words. You would get nowhere by reading Quran alone in the name of studying Islam. Without some basic knowledge your study would be filled with lies and misinterpretations owing to your lack of knowledge. Only the people of knowledge could really explain the meaning of Quran.
I did not say Quran is not identified with Islam. What I said was you don't really need it to understand Islam, because you would be more confused and fall into error of misinterpretations. That you need the already explained fragmented parts to forestall errors of misinterpretations. This was borne out of your persistent claims that a Non-Muslim holding a Quran in North would be killed?
 
As for all your unnecessary exclamations, quotations and interjections, we called them false tools of winning an argument in logic so I choose to ignore them. I have kissed those stuff goodbye in my life. I only engage people in critical analyses based on reasoning.

You insisted Boko Haram are acting according to teachings of Islam and based on Islamic ideology. You don't know anything about Islam, that is why I said people need to have basic knowledge of what they come out to talk about. You talked about tolerance? Is it not obvious why we are having problems? You don't want to tolerate a knowledge based on fact coming from those who know simply because you hold a belief based on falsehood.

Friend, doesn't matter what you call me, BOKO HARAM are not acting according to the teachings of Islam which was preached by ADAM, NOAH, ABRAHAM, MOSES, JESUS, MUHAMMED and all. I am saying this with precinct knowledge that no man could find faults with.

THANKS

Your plea to emotions will not work for the progress of this discourse. I am very calm, and will quote your posts to expose it for what it is whenever you make snide remarks. I re-read my last post, and it was in only one sentence that I used the exclamation point. Where then did you get the term "unnecessary exclamations" from? Guy, please read. More shockingly, because I do not agree with your submissions, I am all of a sudden, intolerant? What cheek? You need to be more open-minded and read calmly and objectively in order to build yourself a response that would address issues.

Let us get your "critical reasoning" straight. I need to study more about Islam to appreciate the religion and its practitioners. Fine. I have no qualms with that. I should read other literature and not the Quran because, and I quote:  "you don't really need it to understand Islam, because you would be more confused and fall into error of misinterpretations. That you need the already explained fragmented parts to forestall errors of misinterpretations". Fine. Now go back and read my previous post; I asked about a non Muslim who had read these other literature and has a good grasp now wanting to research more by reading the numero uno book in Islam; is he safe in Northern Nigeria reading his Quran in the Library? If this does not break it down for u, I don't know what will.

I now quote a part of my previous post - "In your second paragraph, you said the Quran is not what I need to understand Islam. My bad. I thought it was the book of the Muslims. Are you sure about this?"   Now compare this with something from your last post - "I did not say Quran is not identified with Islam".  You will notice the words "the book" in my post. This in no way elicits the response in the line directly above. Critical reasoning, bro.

Guy, I don't know much about Buddhism, Eckankar, Hare Krishna, Ifa, Sango etc., and I don't need to know much about them in order to get along with the practitioners. Ditto for Islam. That is tolerance. Now check my last post and you will see that I do have a basic knowledge of this topic, and that is why I am speaking on this matter. I have highlighted some of the basic belief patterns and ideologies of the Boko haram sect, and cross-matched it with the Islamic ideologies, guess what? There is a hand-in-glove fit. What you would have me believe is that because shiites do not agree with sunnis, shiites may not be muslims, or the hezbollah group, or hamaz are not muslims. They are, bro. Boko Haram is. They follow the teachings, and then go beyond it. That is where the problem is. You should not now tell me point-of-factly that they are not Muslims. This in fact shows that you base your judgment for this argument on a belief based purely on falsehood.

Muslims have been blood-letting in Northern Nigeria as far back as I can remember; Boko haram is doing the same thing right now. The only positive from this particular round is that they have not only focused on Christians; but on the establishment, the Army, The police, other Muslim sects. This way, everyone is touched and realize that a monster had been created over the course of several decades with the emphasis on Jihad. Now any sect can come up and say: because u don't believe in what I do, I will start a Jihad against you.

We need more people in the mould of the late Imam to address the fundamental problem of indoctrination towards violence rampant amongst Muslims in Northern Nigeria. That is the issue.

BetaThings:
Please provide proof for your assertion. I know that the Bible says women should keep quiet in the church and should submit to their husbands in everything

BetaThings:
I am not sure that the world cup is to be hosted by Qatar because of islam and backwardness
A lot of Nigerians (including natives of Awka) live peacefully in UAE
They may not find it so easy amongst their christian friends in Nigeria though
http://www.thenigerianvoice.com/nvnews/17309/1/condom-in-church-catholic-priest-opens-can-of-worm.html
Story originally reported by sunnews online but link is now dead

This is exactly the type of indoctrination I am talking about. The discourse is on Boko Haram killing a Muslim Cleric, and someone comes out and starts pointing fingers at Christianity. You can see the deep-seated emotions here. If there is an issue where a Russian Christian slaps a Russian Muslim tomorrow, do not be surprised that Nigerian Muslims will immediately start killing their non-Muslim Nigerian brothers, especially in the North. It is this type of indoctrination that starts it all. Why the Bible? Why the Church? Why not something on Buddhists, or Atheists, or Eckankar guys, or Hare Krishna guys? Why this deep-seated hatred for the Church and Christians?

kasiem:
@ nagoma, its risible to see u bloop, in respect of covering up your much revered cult(islam). If u abnegate urself 4rm being mendacious and face things in pragmatic ways, u'll decolonize urself 4rm the shackles of delusion. Sharia (which is popular among u muslims)fosters violence against women. Why is that everytime this issue of violence is raised, u guys will rush to dissociate urselves 4rm it? But, u guy will covertly implore your irresponsible almajiris to uphold it as a guarantee of entering paradise. I stand by my word, that islam as a religion loathe peace and it(islam) is nuissance to this universe.

Kasiem, I would like to believe that you know a number of peaceful, law-abiding Muslims. I would have you know that several States in Nigeria have a high Muslim population, yet have never had religious crises. Based on this, your assertion is wrong. You should not talk down another man's belief. This in itself is a form of violence and an infringement on his freedom of association right.

That said, Clerics should aggressively preach peace in order to prevent religious adherents from developing the kind of blood lust we see them exhibit today, and reducing the evil hunger of those already indoctrinated.

ziccoit:
My friend, you got my points all wrong. Okay, this is the message, if you don't have some basic knowledge you can never read a Quran on your own without misinterpreting the intended messages. You can actually grab a great deal of Islamic knowledge by reading other literature.

 If one really wants to learn and get equipped as far as Islam is concerned you don't really need a Quran. Quran is full of compressed knowledge that have been fragmented with sound explanations in various literature written by the KNOWLEDGEABLE MUSLIMS not NON-MUSLIMS with the aim of telling lies and misinterpretations.

The last time I opened a bible was many years ago in my secondary school days when some people came to my school to distribute New Testaments copies. A great deal of my research was done after my secondary education. Can you see the different. For the risk of sounding affluent, make Google your friend while on internet download  as many materials as you may need.

 Your last paragraph shows your shallow knowledge as far as Islam is concern. Building a "Mosque", dressing like a Muslim, acting in all ways like a Muslim does not make you one. You need knowledge to be able to read meaning to that statement. I would not be forced to mention some that resemble Christianity and never close to been one.
Boko Haram acts are Non-Islamic and should not be thought or viewed as one.

I will respond to your points one paragraph at a time.

The discussion is not based on studying the Quran. You made a statement saying Christians should learn more about Islam, and I told you in my first post that this is the major problem - once anything is said about Islam, some people immediately compare Christianity and Islam, without considering whether the fellow who made the initial assertion is a Christian, and even if he is, if he represents the views of Christians. Why vent against Christians? Why not atheists, or Sango worshipers? The issue is not what I can get from reading the Quran, but the lack of tolerance by muslims in Northern Nigeria for the rights of others. How would you predict that a non- Muslim holding the Quran with a view to broadening his knowledge has not read these other literature you are going on about? Are you telling me that if this non-Muslim reads the hadiths, books by Islamic clerics et al, he will not be beheaded if he is seen with the Quran in Northern Nigeria? That, my friend, is the issue - Tolerance, peace and respect for others. Surely, you must have deciphered that from my post, my "affluent, google searching" friend. We do not need a "how to understand Islam" lecture from you; we don't need to understand it. All we ask is that islamic sects should stop killing innocent people.

In your second paragraph, you said the Quran is not what I need to understand Islam. My bad. I thought it was the book of the Muslims. Are you sure about this? That said, you have not explained why you are desperate to take my mind off the Quran, and on to these other literature. Could this be an attempt to justify the future killing of any non Muslim found with the book? Then you could say - what was he doing with the Quran? Did he not see other Islamic literature to read? Speaking about understanding others, I believe most religious groups understand the Muslims and would not do anything to start a religious crises with Muslims in Nigeria. The Muslims on the other hand should learn about others, and learn to live in peace in Northern Nigeria. That is the thrust of this discourse.


Your third paragraph says it all. No restriction was placed on you. You could handle any religious book you chose in the course of your "research". If you read my first post, you would notice that I mentioned getting materials online. Take time to read posts, my "affluent, google tracking friend", and you would not be telling me to discover things that I already spoke about doing. Surely, your "affluence" would mean you can take time out to read posts since you pay a monthly internet subscription.

Boko Haram members have:

1.] Belief in Allah which includes;
-belief in oneness of Allah
-belief in His books [Quran, Taorat, Injil(Bible), Saburat]
-belief in Prophets [ Muhammed, Hisa (Jesus Christ), Musa etc]
-belief in Angels
-belief in Judgment Day
-belief in Destiny


They also:

2.] Bring forth 5 daily prayers

3.] Give alms to the poor

4.] Fast in the month of Ramadan

5.] Pilgrimage to Mecca when blessed

6.] Have Jumat prayers on Friday

7.] Make tapes preaching Islam

8.] Have an Islamic colony


I believe this outline is somewhat familiar to you. Ooooh yesssss, you said some of these were the attributes of true Muslims.

So, if it looks like a dog, walks like a dog, barks like a dog, bites like a dog, pees like a dog, shits like a dog, it surely must be a bleeding dog!!! These guys are Muslims (Boko Haram) doing it wrong. The late Imam was a Muslim who was doing it right.

The late Imam remains a hero. I pray others have the courage to teach their followers peace like he did.

BTW, how come the man's sacrifice means nothing to you? You just come here telling us why we should appreciate Islam. Why don't you just realize that respect is reciprocal. I don't need to appreciate a religion to know that practitioners of that religion should respect non practitioners.

Cheers

ziccoit:
I have schooled myself in the name of wanting to be better than our fathers. Nigeria is not the most religiously diverse country in the world hence all these pockets of violence in the name of religion. Do you think we feared better than our fathers? The answer should be individualised, you know yourself.

It would be a big mistake if I start learning about Christianity by first laid my hand on the Holy Bible. The wise step to begging with is to want to research into who is the Jesus Christ. "if you want to know a devil, study its system" Holy Bible would be my last point of call.

In extension Quran should be the last point of call to study Islam.

Just to correct the wide, ongoing erroneous misrepresentations and mistakes some are carrying about. Boko Haram has nothing to do with Islam. Islam has rules and whatever not in tune with those rules is Non-Islam.

This is my point exactly. Nobody will EVER stop you from buying a bible today in your quest to study Christianity. That said, how would the mad crowd of murderous scum decipher that an individual has studied everything there is to study and has finally reached his " last point of call to study islam", thus allowing them to permit him to handle the quran. Where did this "rule" of a "last point of call to study" come from? Why can't an individual ( a known non-muslim) in Northern Nigerian be seen reading the quran, without someone calling for his head to be taken off his neck?

You talk about islamic rules in abstract. I am telling you what is obtainable, and the rule these guys are very passionate about. People believe in "Jihad" in Northern Nigeria. It doesn't matter if this jihad is against a man who has never done any wrong to them, they will kill at the shout of Allahu arkbar. It doesn't matter if this jihad is against a man who feeds them daily, just so long as he is not muslim.

That said, I am filled with admiration for this late Imam. His courage is unparalleled in Northern Nigeria. This was a man that did not justify evil, but told his fellow muslims that violence was wrong. For that, he got killed. This man should be recognized as a hero.

We need more clerics to come out and teach their followers the good side of their religion.

Please, do not get it wrong. Boko haram is a purely islamic organization, and they take huge doses of the religious opium. They had a huge mosque for their members in Maiduguri, before it was leveled by the army after their Fun. of madness got out of hand. They were very visible when it came to religious activities. We cannot now accuse them of not practicing their religion. They were actively practicing, albeit in a very wrong and diabolical way. This is what years of indoctrination gets you eventually.

Dandabai:
@ poster
When and where did Boko Haram attached churches?

July 2009 - more than three churches burnt in Borno, two in Yobe and ? in Bauchi, all by Boko haram; December 24th/25th 2010 - two churches burnt in Borno by Boko haram on Christmas eve, etc.

Maybe this will help - go to www.google.com.

Cheers.

ziccoit:
To start with, Islam is the religion of Almighty Allah the Creator of the Creatures. As it is with anything that is Godly, Islam has a lot of enemies. In Christianity the most hated sect is the Jehovah witnesses because this is the only sect that has resisted any kind of manipulation in Christian ways of Worship and frowned at any assault against the Holy Bible. Jehovah witness believe in all or none. Worship God as did the Jesus Christ or forget it. If there were nothing like Islam and God gave us freehand to choose, I would definitely love to be a Jehovah witness.

Human being are created obstinate, wanting to have their ways as against what Almighty Allah laid down for them. Islam is a culture, the embodiments of way of life. It passes out instruction which you MUST follow for which you would be called a Muslim against which you would cease from being a Muslim.

My friend there is no single crime no matter how insignificant that is condoned in Islam. There are rules and regulations. In simple statement, a Muslim has a Quran to serve as a guide and Prophet Muhammed way of life to follow. Point out a single blemish from these two that would make a Muslim go flout the law of the land.

Nothing like a TRUE MUSLIM. What hold is you are either a Muslim [by believing in ALLAH and his Messengers ADAM up to HISA (the Jesus Christ) down to Prophet MUHAMMED] or a Non-Muslim nothing like in between.

 Now what make you a Muslim?
1.] Belief in Allah which includes;
-belief in oneness of Allah
-belief in His books [Quran, Taorat, Injil(Bible), Saburat]
-belief in Prophets [ Muhammed, Hisa (Jesus Christ), Musa etc]
-belief in Angels
-belief in Judgment Day
-belief in Destiny

2.] Bring forth 5 daily prayers

3.] Arms giving to the poor

4.] Fast in the month of Ramadan

5.] Pilgrimage to Mecca when blessed

Anything that is in DISAGREEMENT with any of the above point is NON-ISLAM and anybody that DISAGREES with them is NON-MUSLIM.
 
Allah and Prophets say don't kill, be your brothers keepers, etc. You prove to be wiser and go your own way. Muslims Extremist, fanatics, Jihadists etc are just the name the enemies of Islam coined in order to discredit the religion of ALLAH. The reason being that, there is nothing like that in the life of Prophet Muhammed, the Sa'abah (the best generation ever live on the surface of the Earth) etc

Boko Haram by their deeds are not Islamic. I have read a lot about Christianity. I can boast to be more knowledgeable than the majority of Christians. Why don't you people afford yourselves of the opportunity and read good books about Islam so that you would be well grounded and you would stop from being the hater of Islam in extension the hater of your creator.
   
That is why Islam is becoming popular everyday in the Western World. They do research, don't believe in the hearsay and lies being told against the Islam and forced down the people's throat.

We have seen many occasions where people in turban and dressed like a Muslim attack churches and Non-Muslims. What do the government do about them? Nigeria is rotten and our leaders are pitting us against one another to have their way and for their selfish interest.

Ziccoit, regard the two sentences from your post I have made bold. You will notice a pattern - someone says something about Islam, and immediately, many Muslims start comparing Islam to Christianity, even if the individual isn't a Christian ( not that any one individual should be assumed to represent the entire Christian-dom). This in itself shows you the deep - seated problems with the way many practice Islam and why people easily ascribe violence with the religion: Case in note - The February 2006 Danish cartoon riots, when a foreigner who happened to be an atheist drew some cartoons, and Nigerian Muslims in some States immediately started killing Christians from their own Country ( their alleged brothers), and burning churches. Even if the fellow from Denmark was Christian, he does not hold brief for Christians in Nigeria.

Now consider the sentences in your post I put in italics. It is obvious you have not stayed in northern Nigeria for a reasonable length of time. Why? You seriously think I can go to a store and buy the Quaran? If Northern Muslims even see a Christian touching it, he may immediately be beheaded, or accused of trying to defaecate on it, still resulting in him being beheaded ( remember Gideon Akaluka et al?). The best place to then get information about the religion is to read about the activities of its practitioners and discussions about the religion online, and what one sees is violence everywhere.

@OP: It saddens me that someone who finally saw it fit to actually speak to his followers about real peace was killed by those who want it to be business as usual. This should not deter Muslims in the North who are tired of violence, from preaching peace. This is the beginning. As more clerics preach peace and love, we might be able to save a generation of religious practitioners from being brainwashed into blood thirsty fiends when they grow up; hell, we might even be able to reduce the blood lust of those already indoctrinated with this extreme violence.

Ileke-IdI (f)
Re: Dimeji Bankole Plans To Joint The ACN Party.
« #30 on: December 25, 2010, 03:12 AM »

Quote from: Kobojunkie on December 25, 2010, 03:10 AM
No give me that jazz! You are the one who posited that he ought to be rejected simply on the grounds that he was an OLE, and I am simply saying "WHAT THE FRELL?" lol.
That is nothing but DISCRIMINATION . . . ROFLMAO!!



KoboJ, make we no fight for this christmas o  Angry

I say Ole get level. Even your Obama is an ole. Even Jesus was an ole. You see, ole get level.

Bankole in PDP is trouble. He should decamp to APGA

Dimeji has debunked the rumors, so we go just siddon look for now. @Ileke-idi - I have always enjoyed your posts, and considered you to be objective to a large extent, however, I must let you know that this post is totally disappointing. Please show some respect for people's religion.

Sad. So so sad. May his gentle soul rest in peace. May his family find the strength to bear the irredeemable loss. May good things come to them after this very difficult time in their lives.

@BEAF - I must commend you for the objective manner in which you handled this grossly misleading thread, the thrust of which was to make us believe that GEJ posted something on his facebook wall, and came out to deny it; in fact the OP asked those who supported GEJ's comment on facebook to go and lick their a.s.s.e.s ( this by the way, is an insult to all those who posted on the wall, yet some have asked BEAF not to insult anyone on this thread. This is a classic case of double standards, if ever I have seen one).

From the discussions, it is clear that GEJ did not deny any comment as claimed by OP. I think the OP should just accept his wrongful interpretation of the news on AIT, and apologize for feeding Nairalanders with false information.

That, I believe, will put an effective end to this misrepresentation (or is it just a case of gambadoism?).

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Re: I Am A Victim Of June 12 -IBB Says In Exclusive Interview
« #25 on: Yesterday at 03:16:40 PM »

Quote from: grabdbull on Yesterday at 02:16:55 PM
Recently, there were bomb blasts at the venue of our independence anniversary celebrations and accusing fingers were pointed in your way. Why did you bomb Nigerians?

"That is Nigeria for you. We lack imagination."

"Because we are intellectually lazy. There is always a solution. We can’t do anything."

"Here, nobody does anything. What we need here, and that was what I emphasized, was for our youths to tailor their aspirations along particular lines."

"But look at the typical lazy Nigerian."


Words on Marble from IBB. This man never fails to tell us exactly what he feels about our great Country. You can see the light in which he regards Nigeria and Nigerians. This is straight from the horse's mouth, people.

I think my IQ dropped substantially after reading that shyyyte.

You are right, this guy spoke about my people in such a condescending manner all through this interview that Joseph Conrad and King Leopold would've been so proud of him.

What's up with all the laughter and LOLing though? Is he retarded or just a nervous liar?

And they call this guy genius? SMH



No genius there, bro. I just hope he keeps talking, so more people can understand that he has utmost disdain for those he seeks so desperately to govern again.
Kinda reminds me of one of Fela's songs - "My people are useless, my people are senseless, my people are indiscipline; Na Nigerian Government o, na them talk be that, . . . . . . . Hear o,  another animal talk".

Recently, there were bomb blasts at the venue of our independence anniversary celebrations and accusing fingers were pointed in your way. Why did you bomb Nigerians?

"That is Nigeria for you. We lack imagination."

"Because we are intellectually lazy. There is always a solution. We can’t do anything."

"Here, nobody does anything. What we need here, and that was what I emphasized, was for our youths to tailor their aspirations along particular lines."

"But look at the typical lazy Nigerian."


Words on Marble from IBB. This man never fails to tell us exactly what he feels about our great Country. You can see the light in which he regards Nigeria and Nigerians. This is straight from the horse's mouth, people.

Sad sad story. I hope the authorities get to the bottom of this case. I think the young man's predicament should be food for thought for men who have intimate affairs with under-aged girls.

Ymodulus:
A YORUBA boy.
This alone should tell you there is something fishy here. Yorubas should not be given a place in this country

Ymodulus, I know it hurts you so badly that you have to look up to the Yorubas. Why don't you just hang yourself also? This will save you the torture of having to live in the same Country with the Yorubas.

KDK, what if your close friend, cousin or sister was robbed? Would you still say the same thing? Such a sadistic comment could only emanate from a mind harboring some deep-seated "bad belle". Let us learn to be fair and unbiased when considering issues and events. Your comment was at best, nasty.

The level of insecurity in this Country is simply alarming. From murder and kidnapping, to armed robbery and assault, the incidents seem to soar unabated. This could have happened to anyone, and not just Funke Akindele, and I sympathize with the young lady. It's unfortunate that some people have taken this to be a normal, everyday occurrence, hence their inability to empathize with the victim ( or could it be a simple case of bad-belle?). Funke, may you not fall victim to such a situation again.

Re: Extremely Tall And Gigantic Nigerian Women Wrestlers
« #8 on: June 13, 2007, 01:21 PM »

ideally big breasted with huge big broad feet. i want someone like blythe who is 6'5", 400 lbs www.tallbeautifulblythe.com



luvtallwmn, I tried opening the site you supplied above, and my security settings advise that it is an "attack site" which has been reported. Pray, tell me, what's the real deal?

I think Mr. President has taken the right position by calling the Libyan President to order. That notwithstanding, we should look inwards and take some radical steps in order to solve many of our problems. One such solution is to practice true federalism. Under such an arrangement, all States would be in charge of their resources: both human and natural, generate income from these and contribute 30% of earnings to the government at the center. This would make States harness their human resources more efficiently, and take their focus off free hand-outs from the federal government. The human resources would also be focused on generating wealth, and less people would want to go out on a blood-letting spree like the ones we have witnessed recently.

@Becomerich - Guy, you are extremely funny. I want to believe you write the way you do just to make us laugh and keep the discussion going on various threads. If that is the case, you are doing a great job. If not, , ?