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a contradiction is when you say that
nothing does not exist.
nothing has no properties
nothing is something with no properties or nothingness has the property of having no properties

but The truth is that
nothing does exist
nothing has properties
nothing is something with properties..

Mr_Anony: I don't remember asking if anything exists. I am quite convinced that I do and you do and God does. Each of us distinct from one another. You guys are the ones arguing that God is and is not. I say that's logical nonsense.

Now let us come to energy. A ball is not energy, a ball has energy. A ball is matter. I know you might argue that matter and energy are the same but really they are not, energy is a property of matter. To measure energy, there must be a mass and a velocity of the motion of the mass. Without these, energy simply isn't there.
That said, Ideas are not energy. to claim that an idea is energy, you must give the physical mass of the idea and than tell us at what speed it is moving.

matter is energy. everything you see is energy.. matter really is energy information. energy in-formation..when you take the formation or matter apart all there is is energy..

btw thoughts, ideas, emotions etc are all electromagnetic enerrgy

Mr_Anony: lol, see question!
Definition of nothing = nothing, no thing, nada, zilch. When I say nothing, I mean nothing not a place where things that don't exist go to hang out. Nothing has absolutely no properties immediately you give it properties, you have defined it and it has become something.

lmao@ bolded had me laughing.. im glad we having fun with this a little...but lets get serious a second... so in other words rephrasing everything you said "nothing is something with no properties" and hence to you does not exist...

like i said i now know the root of your problem and i could just go ahead and tell you the error in your view of things but i want you to see the error for yourself... To you since "nothing"is not seen in reality it does not exist( which is really a contradiction from your part based on the fact that you seem to believe in an invisible God in the sky somewhere but this is for another for anothr time )

so lets go with this revised definition" nothing is something with "no properties" ".... but my question to you then is does that really mean nothing does not really exist? does nothing really has no properties? is an idea nothing? is the abstract nothing? is the invisible really nothing? does an idea or concept before it becomes reality really has "no properties? does the something with properties not come from the nothing or the invisible? does your thoughts really have "no properties?..if you have a thought or an idea to build a house or car. does the contents of those ideas really have really have no properties? how does your building come about then? does the building come from the somthing/building or the nothing/ideas?

i tell you what everything that you see came from the nothing... without the nothing or unseen there is no something! you create your reality. your concepts/ideas and beliefs creates your reality..That is a fact..the nothing will always create the somthing.

Really? Please what do you mean by relative and sublime states?

you only observe and perceive in relationships. to you it is either this or that and not both. you are in the illusion.i see unity.. when you step out of the illusion you see from all angles and see it for what it really is..

Mr_Anony: Air is not nothing, air exists same as space. It is not nothing. Nothing has no properties.

ok so we getting somewhere.we are getting to the root of the root of your problem... nothing has no properties is debatable but thats for another day.. but for now i want you to define what you think nothing means?

My friend stop with the logical contradictions. Even if God/pure energy was in space (which you call a vacuum) she would still be somewhere. She can't be everywhere and nowhere at the same time.

you speak of logical contradictions but you are the one making it..dude if God is every where then she cannot not be nowhere.. it seems like a contradiction to you because you are looking at this from a relative stand point. i am looking at this from a sublime state.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You see, that's the problem you have. I cannot know that I am kind and loving or what kind and loving means if I am all alone

walaa exactly and that's why we are in this game..why God "created" relativity in order to experiece itself... he is all there is, she is alone..there is no one else...the only way to experience himself of who he thought he was, was to divide himself into an infinte number of beings...relationship and the illusion of seperation was thus created...God is really playing a game with himself.. [quote](who am I loving and who am I kind to?).

basically you will be loving yourself..that is why it is said that what you do unto others you do unto self and what you do unto self you do to others... imagine yourself having coming up with a great script and dividing your very being right now into it individual cells and acting it out. the truth is you are all alone there is no one else. there is only one of us( i know i have been repeating this a lot its become a cliche but its the truth)..

I won't even have any concept of kindness. Why then will I want to acheive something I have no concept of in the first place?{/quote]a concept is just what it is. a concept. an idea. do you not have a concept of who you are at all?

[quote]To bring it home to you: You have no concept of what an invisible green car is (a car cannot be invisible and yet have a color). How then can you set out to build an invisible green car that you have absolutely no concept of?

everything starts of as a concept my fried..everything that you ever created and been started of us an idea in your head. from the invinsible, your thoughts.

Imagine someone was to describe me to you and he started by saying "there is someone called Anony who is and is not...." or to stretch it further the person continues that "Anony is tall and short, black and white, fat and slim e.t.c. I don't know about you but I will come to the conclusion that it is either the person does not know Anony or Anony does not exist.

well if the contention and reality was that Anony is a finite bieng with the ability to be one thing only or few things then your proposition is right. then he cannot be something else other than what and who he is...but if Anomy has infinite abilities and possibilities then there is nothing that he cannot be..

Mr_Anony: Bros, this is even more confusing but then your statement here makes my point which is that if God isn't anything in particular, then God is nothing i.e does not exist. At best all you have done is provide a synonym for the word "everything" and call it "God".

lol ok i see the root of your problem... To you no-thing means non existent... another question for you.. is air something or no-thing? is outer space although a vacuum really empty. is it really nothing?...

since the word nothing really confuses you, just substiute it with un-seen.. becuase i tell you what the metaphysical exists.
God is every-thing and no-thing. the seen and un-seen..Also to make it easier for you again substitte God with pure energy..God is Energy and it is all there is and all that is. The I am and I am Not. she is everywhere and nowhere..

Mr_Anony: So why would it want to know itself as something else other than what it is?

if you have an idea or concept of yourself as kind and loving... how do you even know in the first place if your kind or not?

Affiliated: I don't think the idea was that God as pure energy was devoid of consciousness. I think it was that God as we call it didn't know itself as God because there was nothing to compare itself to.

good point. you are understanding the concepts and i am very glad.

Affiliated: I think "God" in this case is God as "pure energy" and not everything else. in other words only God as pure energy existed and nothing else did. and God as pure energy later became everything else. So on the question of whether "God" exists or not, for God to exist it has to be relative to something which isn't God. In that sense, there is both God as pure energy and not God as relative to something else which isn't God... Sounds confusing to me who is even typing it I think the summary of what I'm trying to say is that the idea of God as relative to something else which isn't God doesn't exist Yet God itself as pure energy exists as everything and once something is everything it isn't something in particular because it is all there is. You can't call it something such as God or whatever because once you do, it has then become something. Try to grasp you mind around the idea of infinity.

@ boled thats the point he seems to have a finite idea of God..to me the idea and concept of God is so simple really but its kind of funny the way people have a hard time understanding these things...

Affiliated: As within so without... One thing that puzzles me is why Africans are quick to complain about racism and yet majority subscribe to the ideas of the most racist Gods

lol good observation

^^^^ actually go ahead and start your replies i am saying no more for now i want to hear your views.

Affiliated: Could the soul of God be dark matter or dark energy? Science doesn't really understand what it is but it is prevalent in the universe and kind of holds it together

well what do you think ?

Continuing from where I left off..

So like I said to see how our soul is that which contains our body, imagine the soul as the aura (which is not far from the truth)..

the question and dilemma then is if the soul is in a sense, the "air in and around us," and if everyone else's soul is the same ,where does one soul end, and another begin?
Well the truth is there is no place where another soul "ends" and ours "begins".. Just like there is no place where the air in the living room "stops" and the air in the dining room "starts." It's all the same air. It's all the same soul…once you begin to understand and grasp this profound truth you would have discovered one of the secrets of the universe.

Now same way if God “soul” is that which contains the universe, just as our “soul” is that which contains our bodies, then there is no place where God’s soul "ends" and ours "begins". Because really there is only one soul differentiating into the man.. the soul of God…“have I not said that ye are Gods” (you seem to be religious so im sure you know who said that)..Once you realize this you could say truths like “I and the father are one” and you would be absolutely right.. You are God in the flesh.
Now you might feel different and unique because while there is actually no separation between our souls, it is true that the energy or stuff of which the One Soul is made of, manifests in physicality at different speeds and thus produces different degrees of density..

For instance even though there id no physical place or location where the "air of the living room" stops and the "air of the dining room" begins.. Yet there is a place where the "air of the living room" becomes less or more dense.. Like the living romm , So, too, can the "air of the dining room” become less dense.
For instance the further from the dining room you go, the less you smell dinner…Now the air in the house is the same air. There is no "separate air" in the dining room. Yet the air in the dining room sure sometimes seems like "other air." For one thing, it smells different...
Because the air has taken on different characteristics, it seems as though it is different air. But it is not. It is all the same air, seeming different. We are all the same stuff, the same suol .

There is no one else but God, The all of everything. You are an individuated aspect or spark of the one God and thus create your own reality…

i will continue with my story of creations later and hopefully we get to talk about our group soul or our creator God Yahweh( the universe is bigger than you have ever imagined and there are a lot of creator Gods or should i say sub Central suns in the universe) later.

but now i want us to talk about the concept of the one soul becoming or individuating into the many souls and why there is only one soul. I am sure you have heard of the saying, many times by now, that we are all one, there is only one God, there is only one soul etc..

the question is if there is really only one soul how is this possible when each individaul soul seems to be and act different? if we are all this one soul and the same stuff, we are presupposing then that there is no place where our soul "ends" and athother begins.. so we are saying then taht not only are we connected we are actually the same.

now in order for us to get to theis truth we have to reverse some errors circulating in the human psyche.
1. most people believe that the body contains the soul--false
2. most people also think there are seperations between each soul..false

the truth is that the soul is everywhere in, through, and around you. It is that which contains you. you have to understand that you are more than your body,that there is something larger, way larger that you are. There is. Literally. The soul is larger than the body.It is not carried within the body, but carries the body within it.it is that which holds our body together just as the soul of "God" is that which contains the universe and holds it togethre.

imagine your soul to be your aura and you will get what im driving at..


p/s i will continue this later. got some work to do..

Mr_Anony: lol, you are assuming I already agree with you even before you present your case. Very interesting indeed.

no on the contrary i didn't assume anything at all.. my job here is not for you to agree or disagree with me. my job here is to discuss with you and have you examine your limiting beliefs... im not hear to sell truth.the truth sells itself. besides words are the least relaibble purveyor of truth..the real truth that you should seek lies in your soul. so listen instead to the language of your soul..

Mr_Anony: Good so I'm back. Let's discuss your concept of God indepth.....
Let us start by getting a few things clear.

1. Do you have a respect for logic? (I know this might seem like a rude question to ask but I assure you I mean no rudeness, it's just that I have met many on this forum who have no understanding nor do they have any respect for logic) The question I guess I am really asking is: Can God be explained logically?

i understand your point and your concerns but yes God can be explained logically and reasonably.

2. If you believe God can be explained logically, then please explain to me who God is and what exactly you mean by "the one soul/being". Take as much time as you like, give as detailed a description as possible and then based on your narrative, we will have a discussion. (The reason I want you to do this is so that I can properly understand you and so I don't end up making attacking strawmen when responding to you).

Awaiting your response.

the problem with you and alot of people is they see God as seperate from them. And also your believe of who and what you think God is has been so ingrained in you that it is hard for you to let go of your limiting beliefs and accept the truth of who and what God really is..listen whereevr you are is where God is. wherever you are is the center of the universe.you are God in flesh....but before we get into all of that and the logical explanation of God and the whole one soul into the many thing let me take you to the beginning and let me tell you a story.
In the beginning, that which is, or God is all there was, and there was nothing else. You can call all that which is God/energy/the creator/universal intelligence/universal force etc

Yet all that is/God could not know itself because God is all there was, and there was nothing or no one else. And so you could say All That Is, was not. For in the absence of something else, All That Is or God is not.

Now all that is( I keep repeating and using all that is because I want you to see that all that is/God is everything in existence and not just one being somewhere in the sky) knew it was all there was but this was not enough, for it could only know its utter magnificence conceptually and not ecperientially.
Yet the experience of itself is or what is means to be God is what God longed for. She wanted to know what it felt like to be so magnificent. Still, this was impossible, because the very term “magnificent” is a relative term. Therefore God or all that is could not know
What it felt like to be magnificent unles, that which is not, (magnificent )showed up.

Because in the absence of that which is not, that which is, is not…think about this for a minute and you would realize the deep meaning.

The one thing that all that is or God knew is that there was nothing else or no one else. Therefore God could, and would never know himself/itself/herself from a reference point outside of Itself. Such a point did not exist. Only one reference point existed, and that was the single place within. The “Is and Not Is.” The I Am and Not I Am.

Still, this energy, the all of everything, God, chose to know Itself experientially and experience Itself as the utter magnificence It was. So in order to do this she realized he would have to use a reference poin within.
God reasoned quite correctly, that any portion of Itself would necessarily have to be less than the whole and that if it simply divided itself into portions, each portion being less than the whole, could look back on the rest of Itself and see magnificence.

And so God or all that is divided Itself, becoming, in one glorious moment, that which is this and that. For the first time, this and that existed, quite apart from each other. And still, both existed simultaneously. As did all that was was neither, here or there
Thus,three elements now suddenly existed…that which is here …That which is there and that which is neither here or there but which mjst exist for here and there to exist.
It is the no-thing or the unseen which holds the everything. It is the non-space which holds the space. the all which holds the parts.

So now in creating that which is “here” and that which is “there,” God now made it possible for God to know Itself. So n the moment of this great division from within, God created relativity. Thus it is thriogh relativity or relationships God’s greatest gift to us that we can all experience and know ourselfves..time was also created as the elements of all raced forth, for a thing was firt here then it was there, and the period it took toget from here to there was measurable.

Now lets talk about love and fear since every human activity stems from or a derivative of ither love or fear.

Now God knew that for love to exist and to know itself as pure love, the exact opposite of love had to exist as well. So God voluntarily created the great polarity, the absolute opposite of love or everything that love is not…fear..
In the moment fear existed, love could now exist as a thing that could be experienced..

It is this creation between love and its opposite which our various human mythologies refer to as the birth of evil, the fall of man, the fall of Adam, the rebellion of Satan etc etc...just as we have chosen to personify pure love as the character we call God, so have we chosen to personify fear as the character we call the devil.

We have established elaborate mythologies around this event( creation of the opposite of love) complete with scenarios of battles and war, angelic soldiers and devilish warriors, the forces ofgood and evil, of light and dark etc..
These mythologies has been our (makind)early attempt so to speak to understand, and tell others in a way that they could understand, a cosmic occurrence which the human soul is aware(the soul knows all secrets of the universe because there is really one soul the soul of God) of but of which the mind can barely conceive or really understand( by mind here I mean the conscious mind)…

Ok so let me get back to my original story..
so now in rendering the universe as a divided version of itself, all that is or God thys produced, from pure energy, all that now exist both seen and unseen.in other words, not only was the physical universe thus created,but the metaphysical or spiritual realm as well..

Now the part of God which forms the othr half or second part of the I am/Not I am equation also divided or exploded into an infinite number of units smaller than the whole. These energy units we call spirits...in some religious mythologies it is stated that God the father had many spiritual chikdren. Once again it seems to be the way that the masses could be masde to hold in their reality or you could say conscious mind of the suddewn appearance or existence of spirits in the kindom of heaven or the spiritual reaml…

There is only one way for the crteator to know itself experincetially as the creator and that is to create. And so God gave to the counteless part of itself the creative power to create just as it has as the whole.( this is what our religions mean when they say that we were created in the image and likeness of God)…

The creator’s purpose in creating us or should I say dividing itself into many parts was for the creator to know itself as God. God has no way to do that expect through us.( its divided but because there is no one else but God)..Thus it can be said and has been, many times that God’s purpose for me and you (Mr. Anony) and everyone is that we know ousselves as God…




Now there is a reason why we are here in physicality and have chosen to forget who you are but I think I will end here for now and see if you can grasp what I said so far and then I will continue if you want me to… I haven’t completely answered with this story why the one soul became the many souls but there are hints in there..

The answer really lies in who and what you perceive God to be..

If you think and believe that the almighty is separate and different from you, and resides in the sky or invisible realm somewhere then of course she will forever and truly be invisible to you while alive ..

But once you get in the vortex and realizes or should I say remember that you are the almighty in flesh. You will start saying truths like " I and the father are one" and " whoever has seen me has seen the father" I am the truth and the way" etc etc,

The lost sheeps who are yet to understand and remember will revere you and probably start religions in your name..

But if you want to take this offline telephone will be a faster route to get to me.. we can do Skype also but we will get to that..

Yea I wouldn't mind and we should probably do that as time go on.. but for now we have to play the "game" on nairalands stage so others can participate and re-member who they really are as well.. we are all in this together..remember there is only one of us..

^^^^ @ Anony good questions and glad you want the discussion to continue . will reply you tonight or tomorow..using my phone and I Don't like typing long replies on my phone...

pastormustwacc: ^^^I wanted to be sure that you knew there was a hidden meaning, and the fact that you knew has answered my question. I can sometimes code hidden meanings into plain words and target it at certain people, if they are the right people, then they know what i meant.

Now, back to topic and what we were discussing, the manner of writing of the scriptures in dependent on the writer. Now, another question i will like to know is:
what is the gender of angels, if the angels are men, then are there any female angels? Some say it is the same angels that appear as male/female.

in their purest form in the spiritual realm or " heaven" angelics/spirit beings have no gender .. you could say they are sexless in their purest state... Angels can manifest can manifest into whatever form they desire.. male, female, beasts etc.. they can manifest into whatever and anything.. You have to understand that form is an illusion..

When you "die" or go to heaven/spiritual realm you become like the angels. I'm sure you have heard that statement before from which a lot of arguments have sprung forth because of lack of understanding ..

^^^^ lol I hear you sir/maam

obadiah777: ADAM IS ACTUALLY MEANS A PEOPLE FORMED FROM THE GROUND. CULLED FROM THE HEBREW WORD ADAMAH WHICH MEANS FROM THE GROUND. ADAM IS NOT A PERSON. ADAM IS A NATION OF PEOPLE FORMED FROM THE GROUND.

read my post again.. the intent of your post above is not clear because You just basically repeated what I said using different words.. were you agreeing with me or it was a rebuttal? Because my post was in support of your topic.

off course 8 people did not repopulate the earth. nearly every culture in every region of the world had or has a myth about a great fllood that once came on the earth. the Sumerians with the epic of Gilgamesh, the greeks,germans, aficans, middle easterns, the Aztecs, the mayans and Incans in the americans etc.

to believe that only 8 hebrew people were the only survivals and the only ones who repopulated the earth is Akin to believing that Adam and eve were the first humans. just as the adam and eve story represented the whole of humanity at the time so is the flood story in the bible. it should not be taken literally.

Billyonaire: .....As man is, God once was; As God is, man may be.....word of Lorenzo Snow but since you wanna know further truth, I will chip this in; There is something bigger than God. I wont go further than that on this....No one has permission to speak on this in this generation. Lets see what happens after 2088, if earth misses the asteroid collision...lol

there is no-thing bigger than God. God is all there is. there is nothing else.it is infinite. there is only one God. only one of us.

your understanding is flawed... i know what you are getting at and understnd what you wanted to say but to put it as "there is something bigger than God" implies there is something else other than God. That is far from the truth and shall never be the truth.

plaetton: Faith is indeed a form of electromagnetic energy.
It can be generated,amplified,manipulated and transfered.
That is one of the reasons it tends to be contagious and tends to lull one into states of mental bliss while at the same time bring out the beast in us.

That is also why a religion , especially the custodial religions, always needs more converts.
I have always wondered why god needs me more than I need him. But I have since realised that it was not about god needing me, it has always been about faith needing me, needing more people,to add to their energy grid, so to speak. To amplify it.

Faith is about aggregating individual egergies into one, and then put them usually in the hands of one or few for custody and careful manipulation.
Think about it, the more the faithful congregation, the more charismatic, more powerful, more magnetic and more superhuman the pastors, priests or imams grow.
A new convert only adds to to his power.
To maintain a constant flux or voltage of this collective energy, the individual is discouraged, usually by threats and promises, from questioning or exercising independent thought on matters of the faith, because such might lead him/her to weaken or break from the pack.

To maintain a constant flow of energy,carefully maintaining a herd mentality among the faithful is a very important prerequisite.

To illustrate this phenemenom, compare it to two football matches, where, in one stadium, there is only a handful of fans, and in the other stadium, the seats are oversold.
No matter how well the the teams in the first stadium played, a fan would come out it saying that it was a boring and unexciting game. The fans on the second stadium, no matter how awful the game itself, would come out with high adrenalines, all pumped up, glowing and very energetic. Do you ever wonder why fans get so involved in a game or rock concert, or why church attendees cry, jump up, dance crazily and even faint during charismatic church services, or why political rallies get so heated up and sometimes turn violent?. Electromagnetic energy is the answer.

Somewhere in the scriptures it says that" when two or more people are gathered in my name, I am with them", in other words, when two more people of similar mental disposition come together for a purpose, they create(aggregate) another entity or force, or energy.

Anyone who has ever been to a football stadium would agree that they wished the game would never end. This is due to the energy surge they experienced during the match. This is also similar to what people feel during a musical concert.

Do you very wonder why fans seem to spontaneously go crazy after a football match or concert. Most are unable to deal with the energy surge.
This same phenomena repeats itself in charismatic mega churches during crusades and revivals. Ofcourse, in this case, they call it holy ghost power or annointing. Same phenomena, different name.

The Nazi psychologists clearly understood this phenomena, the power of faith or aggregate energy. With the use of carefully chosen resonant words, a master orator like Hitler could easily whip a crowd of tens of thousands into a maddening frenzy.

Therefore, faith is nothing but electromagnetic energy. Those who are smart enough, ride and live large by simply aggregating and harnessing the energy of others.
Over time , the sheep get addicted to that energy and keep running to papa for more and more.

Why else do you think that poor people would willingly and eagerly give their last to Oyedepo, Oyaks and their ilks so that they live large, buys jet and live fantasy lives that the ordinary contributor cannot even dream of living on this earth?

good post..

everything is energy. everything in creation is made of electromagnetic energy vibrating at differnt frequencies. electromagnetic energy, chi energy, se.xual energy, life force energy, healing energy, holy spirit energy, reiki energy etc. they are all the same thing. when you know how to harness this energy you can do and accomplish all kinds of miraculous phenomena. All the masters that have walked this earth, the budhas, jesus krishna etc and ones still walking the earth harnessed this energy. this energy is available to all of us. the fact is we are all made of this energy.

all so called miraculous activities done by pastors, shamans, priests, etc uses this energy.. the energy is all around us, it is in us and it is everywhere..

thoughts are electromagnetic.it is creative. your beliefs are gathered from your thoughts and your emotions arises from your beliefs.
emotions are electromagnetic. In fact all e-motions are energy-in-motion. Faith is a form of e-motion. you could say faith is an electromagnetic energy in motion..
that's why when your belief or faith is strong you can do great things. the stronger the better. it is a very creative energy. "if you have but the faith of a mustard seed, you can move mountains"

Atheist:-D:
Did the poor choose to be poor? A lot are poor because of factors that are beyond them... and i not referring to God

Society, class, race/tribe and parental upbringing are major factors that affect poverty.

We should understand that most poor people are not lazy but lack the oppporrunity and privilege to do better for themselves financially.

of course most poor people are not lazy. Some are hard working , some are lazy ,some are this some are that etc.. some rich people are hard working , some are lazy some are this and that etc..

My point still is it is all their choosing. Rich or poor..