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Chukskalidon: does reincarnation has anything to do with God?

of course. It created and experiences it.

PAGAN 9JA:
AS A PAGAN TRADITIONALIST< I BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION! HELL AND HEAVEN ARE JUST STORIES/FAIRYTALES.

they are not fairytales. " heaven" exists just not the way its been described in the bible. It is where we all go to when we " die". Hell like been described in the bible does not really exist. There is nothing like eternal damnation.. but it is a Created reality and even though not real or an illusion, you will experience it if you CHOOSE TO. But because it is an illusion it does not really exist..

The irony and funny thing about " hell" is that only those who believe in it will experience it..

poor-ness, misery , sorrow, suffering, depression etc are all created realities and illusionary but hell indeed.. but once you get out of the illusion you would realise that Your real state is one of love, abundance , happiness etc ( what some call " heaven"..

^^^^ are you alright? Why you keep telling people to be careful.. you need to stop living in a fear based reality..

oh no. only confused minds are.. and why would you ask that? i tell you about reincarnation and yet you ask me if im an atheist?

^^^^ be careful of what you believe

Chukskalidon: u said they evolve back in2 d world.

yes i said that. And the fact is that's what happens if they choose to. understand that reincarnation is a fact and not a myth.

this mught stire you up but hell does not really exist. just like satan does not really exist. hell is a created reality.

^^^what about it?

yes they do if they choose to. but most likely they will not. they rather continue their evolution in other dimensions or they reincarnate back to this dimension to continue their evolution.

Lol

pastormustwacc: ^^^That is the correct answer, i wanted to be sure you at were able to know there was a hidden meaning intended in my message,

exactly. i felt that, why i asked you to explicate.

k2039: When and what time is rapture?

there is nothing like the rapture so stop waiting

^^^ I know what you meant. I guess I chose the wrong question..it was more of me asking you to explicate or throw more light on your statement tied in to what I bolded...but nevermind I got the point...

pastormustwacc: ^^^I believe and understand you, but this your level of understanding signifies that we align on a certain level. By men, aye, i meant humans.

@bolded what you do mean

seriallink: Bros, this post is deep! I enjoyed it. It's quiet interesting! Keep dropping, I'm following!!

Thanks im glad i was of help. actually let me rephrase we are glad we were of help.( me and reqginus..he asked i answered)

Reyginus: I've exhausted patience. Since we cannot agree, it's better we move on.

no problem and thanks for the discussion. we couldn't agree because you couldn't understand but don't worry you would get there one day when you are ready.

^^^ i am assumming by men you mean humans. In a sense you are saying what i said earlier using different words. why i said father should not be taken literal.

having said that let me add that there is a reason why the "men" who write or re-wrote most of these religious scripts seems to denote their Creator or God as a masculine figure instead of say a feminine figure or any other figure. have you asked yourself why the bible for instance denotes "God" or even "satan" as a masculine figure? Why not in the beginning the Goddess created the heavens and earth instead of God?.. i have one word for you. POWER.

^^^i didn't say you did. my point was alluding to jesus calling God his father and linked to the fact that men wrote the bible..

And even if you did you had every right to state your opinion. my statement was not an attack on you.

pastormustwacc: Well, Jesus called him Father - and not mother. So a Father should not be she, i think? Even trinitarians say Father, Son and Spirit?

well because jesus lived in a time where men controlled the world( well men still do now sort of ). once upon a time in antiquity when women controlled every affair of society and men had no relevance but only needed for baby making and protecting the kids, The creator was referred to as Goddess and not God.it would have been Goddess the mother, daughter and holy spirit.

my point is God the father son is figurative and not to be taken literally. The father represent the THOUGHT OR INTENT and the son is the WORD or the EXPRESSION that's all it is.

Reyginus: Aha! Bringing the sciences.
Before you substitute anything, it must be in alignment with the central arguement.
This is unnecessary.
1. Energy is not the same thing with light.
2. Light is not all there is.
3. If not, what other?
One question for you then, can energy be anything aside itself?

1. how so
2. how so? can darkness exist in the presence of light
3. energy is all there is

yes.. and to substitute yes energy can be what it is and what it is not.

Reyginus: lolol.
1. What does it take to be in a higher consciousness? It really gets frustrating.

the obvious answer is to be more conscious. seek knowledge from all angles and not only from the limited sources that you know and then integrate all these knowledge (integration of knowledge brings complete understanding). you cant gain true understanding of a thing by looking at it from only one angle. knowledge brings awareness. Awareness brings understanding and power. application of knowledge brings understanding.

try to use all your five human senses. live in the moment most times of the day( be more conscious)instead of living in your head. above all listen to your soul(your soul btw holds all knowledge and secrets in the universe)... having said that there is no need to be frustrated. it is a journey and process so enjoy it. you are on a journey to re-member who you are.

2. Is everything energy or light? Before you make any assertion, it's always better to be sure. God is a light being? Seriously?

everything is energy my friend. is light not energy ?. light is natures way of tranfering enery through space.

And yes God is a light be-ing. we are all light be-ings. our true nature is light. if you had your third eye opened you would know what i am talking. have ever heard of the aura?

3. The problem is, you are not consistent. Initially you said we are God, now God is one. Can a singularity be equals to a plurality?

wow! there we go. going in circles again. how many times and ways do you want to hear this, that there is only one God/force/spirit/energy/ and that we all( humans and other beings in the universe) make up the One God. the one God individuated into the many. the parts make up the whole. did you forget the rock scenario that i gave.... i have been consistent all through out this discussion. it is you who is not paying attention and like i said it is getting frustrating.

4. Now you are entangling yourself again. If we are whole and holy, thus we are God, how is God still an individual entity?
Can God also act unjustly?

from everything that we have said so far i will let you answer this yourself. the answer is within you

God is not a gender

i dont know how you would take this but since we are on the subject of God being everything let me throw some scientific terms in our discussion.
i am going to substitute the word God with energy because indeed God is energy.
Using the same premise earlier.

1.Energy is everything and is in everything.
2. Energy is all there is
3. There is only one energy and nothing else.

btw you need to stop looking at the creator as a person outside of yourself and somewhere else in the universe sitting there and controlling your life(which religionists do).. if you even start to think it is a He then she will be illusive to you and would go through this life looking for her and not find it.

Reyginus: lol. You seem not to understand yourself.

i perfectly do. You seem not to understand the concepts and thus your inability or unwillingness to understand me. You are not in a higher consciousness yet and as such we keep running in circles and to be honest its getting frustrating.

Firstly, how does light experience?

lol you seem to have a linear and one track mind. you are not using your imagination at all(one of your greatest gift i might say).i have answered this question numerous times but you seem not to get it because every time you hear me say light all you see and imagine with your one track mind is the inanimate physical light. but once you begin to grasp that everything and all things in their basic nature and essence are light you will start to understand. Are we not light beings? do we not experience love, hate, fear, happiness,goodness, darkness etc etc? Is God not a light being?

Now you are coming closer to the truth. But you are still missing something. The moment you say, that God is not a particular thing, saying that He's that particular thing refutes the former statement. It is like saying God is just and unjust.

lol i have been at the core of the truth all along but you are making progress so i am glad.
@bolded walaa that's exactly what im saying. Thats why those who dont understand call it a contradiction. some call it divine dilemma i called divine dichotomy.
but once you understand that
1. God is everything and in everything
2.God is all there is
3.There is only One God
you begin to put all the pieces together. for instance for there to be a just God and an unjust God presupposes two Gods. but the truth is there is only one God and he/she/it is all things in the universe.

yes his true nature is just,love, light etc(the highest side of the polarity)because light,love etc will always fill the darkness,hate etc and obliterate it.but he is all things.

The issue is not whether His qualities are felt where they are not, but, can He exhibit a counter-quality? There my friend, you'd find the true fact.
With these premise of yours, can God be both holy and unholy?

@bolded of course. we are doing it all the time. To be holy is to be perfect in goodness, love and righteousness. it is to be complete. it is to be Whole. when you are being whole you are being God. why the bible says God is whole-ly(" for the Lord our God is Holy"-whole-ly.)

likewise when you are not being Godly you are being un-whole-ly(unholy). that is you are being less than yourself which is to be God completely in the flesh. Jesus was whole-ly(holy) because he was being exactly who he is,God in the flesh. jesus came to show you the way to whole-ly-ness(God). he said ""I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me". in other words you don't get to self-realization or God without being whole like he was.

he came to remind you of who you really are. When you are being whole-ly(GOD) there is nothing you cannot do. everything you do is effortless and miraculous.
hatred, cruelty, evil etc are all unholy.

^^^ of course you would have to KNOW to EXPERIENCE or how else would you even know what you are experiencing...

I don't think you really understand so let's start using examples..

On the topic of light, let's imagine a room full of thousands of eternally lit candles covering every space of the room. They shine so bright that there is nothing but light..
The question to you then is how would these lit candles experience that they are light without the presence of their opposite?

Also how would one experience kindness or even know they are experiencing an act of kindness without knowing what its opposite cruelty is ?

How would one also experience LOVE without knowing what Love is.
How do you experience bravity without knowing what being brave is etc etc etc

That's why God is both what he is and what he is not because without what he is not, there is no what he is. It seems contradictory but it is really not. Or is it..

Btw do you really understand the statement " you can only experience what you are in the presence of that which you are not " or you need me to give you an example for you to really understand ?

^^^^ lol I understand what you mean and it sounds contradictory because you have yet to understand ..it is what some call divine dichotomy.. you have to look at it from a higher perspective to understand ..

Btw you are right about religious people(not that I care about that though) but most of them refuses to use their thinking faculties and only repeat mambo jumbo even if it makes no sense whatsoever. If what you say is not in line with most of the lies they have been told then you are blaspheming.

Reyginus: Lololol. Are you now denying post 34?
You didn't answer any question, but only succeeded in compounding them.
The question is, can light experience light? Can dark experience dark? If yes, how is it experienced? If no, what then does light experience?

lol no I am not denying anything. If you want to quote me do that and stop referring me to a post. You're just been lazy...

And yes I have answered your light question because that question is the same as the Love question you asked earlier...which I answered. So the answer still remains " you can only experience that which you are in the presence of that which you are not.".. without the presence of "darkness " light cannot experience light because all there is is light and nothing but light ..

if you think humans are insignificant then you must be deluded and have no idea who you are. On the other hand it is erroneously arrogant to think that we are the only one in this vast universe because we are not.

There are thousands of thousands of more evolved and advanced creatures above us just us there are thousands of less evolved creatures below us.

sunkoye: u erred too dear. Was adam and eve no created perfectly? U conflict wit bible in great ways. As such, the very basic as been mixed up by U. Everytin is part of God's grand designs. He knows all tins. unless He is nt God! Which HE is!!!

you think i am conflicting with the bible and righly so because the bible is missed with a lot of errors. but if you believe in the errors in the bible most of the things I say will not make sense or even be blasphemous to you.

btw what made you think adam and eve sinned. you might call it the original sin but i call it the original blessing and indeed it is. whats the purpose of free while if you can not use it. that was never God's intention my friend you made it so. you cant give free will then turn around and restrict free will.

And yes everything is part of God grand design but you seem to not know it. but don't worry you will eventually.

Reyginus: Your point 1 and 2 is contradicting post 34.
Point 3 also contradicts post 34.

be specific. believe post 34 was your post

No darkness will not.

will not what

Are we now here to experience? Na wa o.

yes. and nothing else

To your love and light analogy, how do you get the knowing if you've not experienced it?

you can know something as a concept or idea without experiencing. but all you will have is the knowing. experiencing brings true understanding.

Too many erroneous notions here. Lol. How can light experience light?

in the presence of darkness. this is very easy to understand i dont see why you are having this blockade

How do you experience love, if you are love?

i have already explained this. thats why i said in my opinion relativity was the greatest invention or creation of God.

Todaynatoday: ^^^^^^^ I'm all ears to what you have to say. About the rock, I see just the rock but without those particles of matter, it would not really be a rock now would it?

exactly! there is no rock without those particles and there is no particles without the rock.

the particles are racing around continually, in a pattern, each particle going from "here" to "there," and taking "time" to do so, yet going so fast that the Rock itself seemed to move not at all. It just Is. There is only one rock, only one of us, only one God.

inside there seems to be the illusion of seperation but from a higher perspective there is only one rock. whatever happens to the rock happens to all because they are all one and the same and they are what makes up this rock. "whatever you do unto the least of you you do unto me" "I and the father are". jesus the christ like many masters that came before him understood this and thats why he said he came to show us the way in order that we might be saved. not from eternal damnation but from our illusions and help us remember who we really are.