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You don't really " die" when you disengage from physical focus..Death should be celebrated because great things lie ahead in your path..it is not an end but a beginning , a door opening to new beginnings ... Having said that..Your body was created perfect and meant to live for forever if you choose to... But it is your limiting beliefs, errors, wrong choices etc that kills you or weakens your body.. In other words your sins kills you.. your soul is here to experience and evolve but when the body grows old due to your errors its simple disengage... But even that's a choice... The truth is humans are still primitive compared to other civilizations in the universe.. The irony is that humans think they are civilized. Yet it is their so called " civilization" that kills them.. Human evolution and civilization is still in the early stage.. we are like toddler's compared to other civilizations in the universe ... Spiritually humans are way down.. but everything springs forth from the spiritual .. You can't say you don't wanna grow old and die when you are making wrong choices... You can be 100 yrs old right now and have the body of a 20 yr old if you choose.. what do you choose? |
Op you have truths in some of the things you said but also a lot of distortings.. keep going you will get there... Advice... Stop calling some of the things you know as top secret this that... Knowledge should not be hoarded. Work with peoples free will..if it is their will to know and your will to tell then tell them. If its not your will for them to know then tell them so. But don't use the excuse of " it is a secret" bla bla bla..you infringe on their free will to know when you do that.. There are no secrets..only ignorance ...You also seem to be exhibiting some arrogance with your " truths" and " knowledge".. truth should not come with a price... To be a master like the Jesus's , the baba sai's, the Krishnas etc ,you have to learn to be the student.. You still have a lot to know and learn but at least you have started on your journey home.. |
Rossikk: You're very funny. You say the thread is all over the place yet you end with a pretty accurate summation of exactly what the thread is about!!well you didn't understand me. Yes I could pick out what you were but obviously some people didn't . And as the op is your duty to make the people you're discussing with to understand your message ...My point was your argument was all over the place after establishing the premise( the title which btw does not agree with the content you posted )... @ bolded not true.. Yahweh is God and your creator.. btw why do you really think he is not the almighty God... And you don't even have to answer because I know exactly what you are saying.. to you the Yahweh of Christianity can't possibly be the creator and you are right if one is to go by everything in the bible.. But once you learn to discern and separate lies from the truth ,the chaff from the wheat (which seems to be hard for most of humanity ) you will begin to understand the bible and pick out the truths from it.. But if you cent then my advice is to stay as far away from the bible or religion as you can and follow your heart.. |
^^^^ exactly my point. Why would humans prefer an inanimate wood they are obviously intelligent than to represent their God. Does that make sense to you? And who told you jesus is the only representation of God. What if I told you we are all representations of God? You think jesus was a better human than you? Jesus came to re-mind you of who you really who. He came to show you the way. Not ask to be worshipped... |
This thread is all over the place ..nothing or little really is achieved when focus or energy is scattered all over the place...the message is lost or misinterpreted when there is a lot of noise coming from the medium... @ Rossikk I think what you really trying or want to convey is that the true nature of Yahweh as depicted in the bible is false because the bible contains both truths and false.. |
God does not want or need your worship.. jesus does not need your worship. Even your " gods" do not need your worship ... But if you needed or choose to worship someone or anything due to ignorance obviously, why choose to worship an inanimate carved wood that you are obviously more intelligent than? |
doubleDx: @Greatgenius, hmmmmm!!! Really interesting! It seems you and Billyonaire have similar understanding of what God is. That dude is into something deepThe understnding of who God really is not difficult. it is peoples limited beliefs of who and what they think he should be that makes it difficult to accept or really understand his true nature... btw who is this billyonaire guy. is he in the religious section often. |
Mr_Anony: Fair enough....I think it is good we focus on one premise at a time so we don't get dragged along many different tangents. Permit me to come back to this later.ok we shall and take your time. i have to get some work done myself |
Affiliated: Well if you say I have to pick one, I'll go with an illusion. This illusion is however real to us because we are in it. I did some reading on quantum physics and the mechanics of it which is why I think it's an illusion, turns out matter isn't what it seems to be. And also if you break every physical thing that exists past its subatomic levels and down to its basic form, there is actually "nothing" there. I read somewhere that things get smaller to infinityyep matter is indeed an illusion but it becomes real based on the perception on it. That's why i said your answer earlier was brilliant.. MATTER is nothing more than ENERGY In-formation. matter is energy in-formation. form is not the real thing but an illusion. when you look through the illusion/matter there is a whole differnt world out there. |
@mr.ANomy..i think you should talk about the premise that there is ony One being and One soul and that this one soul makes up the many soul. maybe there will be some clarity and then we can come back to the other questions.. |
Affiliated: I agree with all the things you said earlier, and to answer this question as best as I can, matter is a real illusion.brilliant. |
Mr_Anony: You see my friend you have still not told me exactly how I partook in the choice of My Grandpa meeting my Grandma at the stream.let me give you a scenario. if you are having the urge to go steal and john a friend of yours with the help of bill, and kobe goes to rob a bank,narrates the ordeal to you and then shares the money with you; As much as you were not there with them physically for the operation do you think you are just as responsible and guilty if you partake in their celebration and spend the money with them or not? i tell you what you are. you got a exactly what you imagined and urged for and the universe fulfilled your wishes. your parents got exactly what they wished for. your grandparents just as theri parents got exactly as they wished for etc etc. they choices beautifully and intricately linked and connected. Your soul knows more than you think it knows. the soul holds all the secrets of the universe. you know and envisioned exactly how you wanted to be born and the events leading to your birth happened exactly how you wished for. every choice has its result. the choices are infinte just as the results but every choice has it corresponding result. if you understand this you would know that what i said rubbishes not the concept of freewill and choice. like i said it happened exactly the way it happened and no other way because of the choices made. Interesting, I have thought about it for more than a minute and I still fail to see how another person's choices equate to my choices. For instance, I didn't choose to be conceived, someone else made that choice. I would like to know in clear terms exactly what part I had to play in my mother choosing to carry her pregnancy and give birth to me.same as my asnwer above. and yes you chose to be conceived just as much as your parents wanted you here or you would not have been born. Oh I see, so in other words, my future son's soul is making my choices now (or is it my grandson's soul? or my great-grandson's soul? ad infinitum.) This is if I even get to have children or grandchildren. You can see how bad it gets the more we think about it. Your assertion seems to be that multiple souls are all making exactly the same choice. This can only be true if we are all exactly one soul. As long as we are separate individuals, then I am afraid your theory does not hold.no your future son soul is not making your choices. but if his vision of how he wants to be born is linked to your choices exactly then yes. life is a beautiful script i tell you. it is really very simple but maybe we would need to talk more about the soul for you to understand. I say the parents choose to give birth, birth happens to the baby, the baby has no choice in it's birth. The case of the victim and robber is a bit more complicated because there could be special cases but under normal circumstances, the robber chooses to rob, robbery happens to the victim.not at all. in each of the events, both parties got exactly what they wanted. we will get to the how later. While I agree with you that God cannot not be, I disagree with the rest of your post because it is illogical for God to be and not to be at the same time and in the same sense, It is also illogical for God to be light and also equally be darkness.good questions. but lets set some premises first. 1. do you believe that there is only one God. 2. that this one God "created" everything in the universe both seen and unseen? these questions should answer you questions but if not we will continue. God is everywhere. . .and since God is everywhere, He cannot be nowhere. To claim that God is everywhere and nowhere is illogical. It is like claiming that I am in Lagos and at the same time and in the same sense not in Lagos. This breaks the logical law of non-contradiction.not really it is the lack of understanding that makes it a contradiction..that which is infinite is infinte and that which is limitless is limitless. .It cannot exist anywhere, because it is everywhere. If it is everywhere, it is nowhere in particular.God is everywhere. Therefore, God is nowhere in particular, because to be somewhere in particular, God would have to not be somewhere else.which is not possible for God. lets use lagos and abuja as an example maybe you would understand this even better. lets assume that abuja and lagos is all there is and nothing else. now assume you areGod, omniscience and omnipresent; and every where from abuja to lagos. you cannot be in abuja and not be in lagos or you would not be everywhere.(but God cannot not be everywhere from abuja to lagos).. because to be everywhere means you have to be at both places at the same time. but then if you are everywhere in abuja and lagos, which you are, then you are no-where because there is no-where else to be but abuja and lagos. abuja abnd lagos is all there is and nothing else. do you understand this. God is everywhere, and that’s all there is to it. And since she is every-where,he is no-where. And if he is NOWHERE, where is she? NOW-HERE.get it? Lol, I am a Christian and I can assure you that you have totally misrepresented Jesus there because Jesus did not say anything like you are saying. Jesus was very clear in distinguishing between Himself and the rest of the world. He told us He is one with God but He also made it clear that He was not of this world thereby making a very clear distinction between God and everyone else.i do no misinterpretation.but if you say so what then did jesus say. pray tell. do you really think you are of this world? jesus gave a very clear distinction bewteen god and everyone else? did jesus not tell you that ye are gods as well? did you believe him when he said that? But then the state of being of the rock and the sea are not the same as the state of being humans. The particles of a rock do not make separate individual choices, they all work in unison. Not so for humans. In fact your assertion even creates a bigger logical problem because if all humans are indeed one soul, then the whole idea of good and evil becomes rubbish. If a man r[color=#000000]ap[/color]es a little boy for instance, he has done nothing wrong because it is all one soul in the end. If all is God and God is all and not, where then lies justice? What is just? what is good? and what is choice? What then becomes of these things.well there is really not like good and evil at a fundanmetal level in the univese. everything is just is. it is perception that frames reality and good and evil is based on perception.Therefore the perception of good and evil depends on the one perceiving it. If you perceive something as good, then to you it is good. If you perceive something as evil, then to you it is evil. Good and evil are both based on judgements..To consider something better than or worse than is a judgment. Evil is something of inferior quality compared to something better, therefore a lesser good is considered evil when compared with a greater good. When there is no judgment, there is no consideration of something being better or worse than another. everythihng is accepted. God loves us wether we are "ggod or bad". does the rain not fall on the "just and unjust"... When you see from a place of non judgment, one thing is not considered to be better or worse than another, but it is just different.. @bolded explain to me how the state of being of the rock and human are not the same. in what context? One becomes rich by either working for it or getting lucky. The same for one becoming poor, either he/she was lazy or was unfortunate.there is no-thig as one getting lucky. btw are you not contradicting yourself here. you dont believe you create your own reality yet you believe for one to be rich or poor they either work hard or be lazy respectively. this begs the question how come some people work hard and yet remain poor? |
Affiliated: I know this isn't addressed to me but I'll just say what I feel. You are correct in saying that if God is everything then God isn't anything in particular and I like your paradox that God cannot be both creator and created. Combining the two observations begs the question "does anything physical actually really exist? or is the world as we know it something of an illusion? Refer to quantum mechanics if you canwell it is an illusion but a beautiful one i might add. we are all living a collective dream. the world and everything thing in it is nothing more than a projection of the mind( mind of God or whateever you want to call it). most people are not aware they are living a dream. and like our "dreams" it feels and looks so real until you awake and then you realize it was only a dream.. since this is a discussion let me give you another angle to think about and answer.. is matter an illusion or real? |
Mr_Anony: I don't quite follow what you mean here. perhaps, I should inform you on what I mean when I talk about predetermination. I'll give you a small illustration.This is a beautiful illustration like i said. Beautiful because that’s exactly how the universe works.causes and with their effects. Some events might seem like accidents but nothing really happens by accident. Absolutely nothing. Things happen always as a result of choice whether you are aware of it or not. From the bigger picture or perspective you partook and MADE ALL THOSE CHOICES, Including the choice of your grandfather going down to the stream, then off to the army all the way down to us meeting. Everything happened the way it did because of the choices made. There was no other way that it could have happened. In the world of relativity everything has its cause and effect. Notice that all the events preceding this meeting have predetermined that it should be. If one of them had changed i.e. My grandfather had chosen not to go to the stream or my father had chosen not to go to class or those soldiers had chosen not to gangrape that lady to death or my mother had chosen not to make that bet or my aunt had prefered blue hairpins to red ribbons, The events following would have changed so drastically that Mr Anony wouldn't even exist. All these choices have resulted in my existence but I didn't make any of them. Also, the choices I will make will go on to predetermine the events in both my life and the life of someone else as well.We are all in this game of life together and everything is interconnected including our choices. Our choices affect us and as well as the collective whole. None of the situations and events that you listed happened by chance. The events happened the way they did and no other way it could have as a result of the choices made. Nothing happens to anyone without a choosing for it to be so.. Think about this for a minute. It is too early to say this and we will get to that in our discussion but It will suit you to know that even all deaths are self-chosen. You think you didn’t make any of those choices but I tell you what you did. As long as you were a product of your parents union, you are as much responsible just like your parents to all the choices that proceeded and led to your birth. Your soul which knows all things knew about the events preceding your birth and still CHOSE to incarnate in that body. answer this is it a babies choice to be born or the parents? is it the choice of the robber to rob or the victim to be robbed.? do you think one that gets robbed has chosen at some point to be robbed? the answers might scare you or set you free depending on what angle you look at it. 1. If God is simply everything, then God isn't anything in particular but just a synonym for all things therefore God wouldn't really exist since there would be no distinction between God and anything else.Ok good you’re asking good questions... First of all God cannot not exist. God cannot not be. That would be impossible. But What you are asking is what I call the divine dichotomy. he is everything yet no-thing at the same time becuase to be every-thing you would have to be no-thing. She is what she is and what she is not. She is both the light and darkness. He is The alpha but yet the omega. He is all these things. why? Because God is all there is and nothing else. There is only one God.one soul. one spirit.one energy. there is only one of us. The all that is/not. But let see if I can help you understand this by asking you this question and then we take it from there.. Do you believe God can be everywhere and nowhere at the same time? 3. If God is really just an observer and we are co-creator with God and the same as God, are you not somehow implying that God is both creator and created. This would be a logical absurdity because you would be saying that God created God. For something to create another thing, it must first exist. An entity cannot bring itself into existence. It is either it exists eternally or it is brought into existence by something else.Creation just like separation is an illusion. That is why I said that if you think you are separate from God then he will be like an observer to you. But the truth is us and God are one and the same. The mind body and soul/spirit are one and the same.. We are all the body of God.. as your body is to your mind and soul, so, too, are we to God’s mind and soul. Everything God experiences, he experiences through us. Just as our body, mind, and spirit are one, so, too, are GOD’s. Something jesus understood and thus said.” I and the father are one.” Just as the particles of the rock make up the body of it so too do we make up the body of God. Just like particles of a rock you could say we are the microcosm of God. Are the particles of a rock separate from the rock? Are the waves of the sea really separate from the sea? Would you say the particles of a rock are created? Or they have always been part of the rock eternally and make up the rock. I tell you this separation and creation is an illusion. let me add another dimension into our discussion and state that so called God the father or the creator is basically Thought/imagination/intent. 4. The question of being is a very deep question and I am afraid you haven't tackled it properly. However, I'll let it pass for now just like the question of person. Perhaps my question was too vague.ok we will do that then No, reality is independent of me. I don't create it. I just happen to be in realityhmmm interesting i see where some of your beliefs originated from... "your" reality is not independent of you you create it. answer this. how does one become rich or poor. does the state of being rich just "happen to people"(using your words)... |
^^^ i did understand but it seemed you didn't understand my questions.. btw beautiful and captivating story i might add. and i see this is going to get interesting...it is the creators will that we discuss so we will. p/s. been up all night so will reply you when i get up. almost 7 am so i should get some rest. will talk to you later. |
Mr_Anony: Oh my! This is gonna be interesting.good answer...well do you have any idea who or what predetermines it. or put differently how does this chain of causes and effects come about in the first place. and why does it happen to you. Now that you have answered yes, I'd like to ask you a few questions so that I may begin to grasp your philosophy.1. God is all things both seen and unseen. in other words he is all that is. 2. a person is simply put a being 3.God is really just an observer( i used observer because most people think God is separate from them).. but you could also say she is a co-creator with us.. 4. a being has a broad definitions and rightly so. but i will simply say a being is something in existence or that exists now i also have some questions for. do you believe you create your own reality? |
Affiliated: I agree with all what you said... But I'll take it you don't buy into the popular religions such as Christianity or Islam etc. They'll disagree with what you said but I think you're on pointall those religions are all made made creations. jesus did not come so that humans could create religions in his name. he only came to show the way to Godliness and re-mind(because we had forgotten) us of who we really are. God in flesh. not to choose one over the other. |
Mr_Anony: Really? everything is a choice? Did the child choose to be born into famine and poverty?The answer is a resounding YES... You could say the soul that incarnated in that body knew and made that choice.. And before we get into the issue of whose choice if i may ask you do you think circumstances and events that happen to you are a results of someone pulling the strings some where? |
Atheist:-D:who did i blame again? quote me where i blamed forefathers or amputees..and who said i blame the poor for being poor. how is saying the poor are poor because they chose to be poor a blame? |
Affiliated: 1. Regardless if God is a He or a She or an It, you have still personified God once you have describes He/She/It as something; I understood what you were trying to do with the Him/She but once you say God is this or that, you have personified God1. you misunderstood me. my point was which i made clear in my second post was that God is not necessarily a HE as has been depicted by religion. but God is all things. and in our world since somethign is either a she/he or it, and God being all things and all there is, thus my she/he/it depiction... but you cant really personify because he is every-thing and no-thing. 2. satan does not really exist. he is a man made creation....but i agree with you if you say that God causes famine. why? because as stated earllier God is all things. And since man is God made flesh then technically you could say God causes famine.. i am trying to keep answers simple becuase i want y9u to think for yourself. 3. the simple answer is that we could choose to end all natural disasters this very instant because humans like all beings in the universe create our realities. |
Affiliated: Religion holds it that God is Omnipotent [All powerful] and that Omnipotence isn't subject to anything but God itselfthat view has truth and also false in it based on how you look at it. |
wiegraf: Is god omnipotent?...yes the creator is omnipotent..and of course it is subject to logic. |
Affiliated: 1. I didn't personify God. I think I made it clear when I said most religions personify God. And when you say I limit God or restrict "HER" when I put "HIM" in a box, isn't that personifying God? I agree with the fact that what I'll call God is all and everything including my laptop, myself, you e.t.c1.my use of "her" and "him" interchangeably was to make you understand or make the point that God is not a HE as most religious scripts depicts. he is a Goddess and she is a God. i could have esaily used a IT to depict her. 2.if the child situation or the famine was not man made then what is. are you saying it is God's fault? or you going to shift the blame again and this time put it on "satan"?... And yes humans can end all natural disasters if they choose to but we will get to that later |
^^^^ how is it malevolent.. why would humans be the perpetrator of their own actions and yet blame it on God?( by God im not talking about the God in religions but the creator). do you really think God wants you to be poor or hungry or even killl? do you honestly believe your creator will have any malicious intent towards you or wish to do you evil?. everything thing that happens to you good or bad you do onto your self. not god or even your so called enemies are responsible. you are the creator of your world my friend |
you cant heal someone if they do not want to be healed. |
O.T.I.S: ![]() |
we all are |
there is no second coming as has been described in the bible btw jesus incarnated as black man |
calling the creator malevolent means you have no idea who it/she/he is and who you are. awake,take responsibility and stop blaming people or nature for your own choices and actions man. O.T.I.S: |
Affiliated: Most religions are founded on the ideas that1. to personify God means you have limited to no understanding of who God really is. you limit God or restrict her when you put him in a box or category. God is all and everything. 2.God usually has no say in how humanity run their life. in other words you are the creator of your own reality. your will is God will. there are hunger, hatred, natural disasters etc in the world because humnans chooses it to be so. we can end world hunger, natural disasters, hatred, poverty this very instant if we choose to. there are NO accidents in the universe. everything is a choice. |
yahweh is not not the only creator in the universe. he is our creator |
Chukskalidon: ur philosophy towards this is based personal and mental feeling.lol. You're not to be taken serious or maybe you're just confused? .. did you not ask for our beliefs about the dead? Do you even know what a belief is ? ... You can believe in anything you choose to but in the end there is only one dominant fact or truths one of which is Re incarnation. You can believe anything you want about it but the fact is that it is real and happens all the time.. You can also believe anything you hear or read about hell and eternal damnation but the fact is that, it is not real. You can stop taking responsibility for your created realities and believe that demons, Satan, an angry and punishing god etc exists, and blame them instead for all things that happens to you.. But All these beliefs are what they are, BELIEFS. And as much as these are all false beliefs, they create the realities ( your beliefs create your realities )that you are experiencing right now. And they seem real but they are not.. Oh and let me also add that for your information everything is MENTAL /spiritual my friend, including your beliefs. Physicality is an illusion. It is from the mental / spiritual that the physical springs forth.. everything that you ever did or happened to you came from thought or the mind.. everything is mental The creator created the universe from the mind. God the father conceived the idea or thought and then spoke it into being..( God the father is the thought or idea , the son is the word or expression of the idea or thought and the spirit puts the word into action. This is where the Christianity religion got their mantra from. God the father, son and spirit .... But this is how we all create because we are all God made man just like jesus( which he came to tell you btw) of Christianity. There are no secrets or mysteries in the universe only ignorance ).. |
I'd really like to know more of these things. It makes sense, really!! I'm following closely homies 