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Todaynatoday: I don't get it. You actually mean that I (for my small mind) am like God in all His glory and splendour, that I am a perfect being without sin. That's a bit more than I can chew

ok your are jumping the broom here too fast we will get to that. suspend everything you have been told and lets have an open mind and discuss with reason..

but to answer your question Yes. You are not only like God but you are god in flesh and you are here to experience your self as God. there is no one else but you. separation is an illusion. There is only one of us. but lets get on with the discussion and let me use a scenario i used in another thread.

when you see a Rock in front of you do you just see ONE Rock or a conglomeration of a million countless atoms, protons, neutrons, and subatomic particles of matter?

Todaynatoday: Well, in a way I believe. Since everything is (was) made by God then we are all connected to Him, no qualms about that.

ok cool lets start with that. now what if i tell you like Jesus you are God in the flesh and that you and God are actually one and the same(which jesus came to remind you of or save you as others have said) would you believe that?

Do you have hard evidence to back up your claims?

we will get to that later but we might not even need the evidence

Todaynatoday: He created lucifer who later became satan. This your own theory of no satan is a bit too hard to swallow & why should I not believe everything in the Bible?

so you also believe your creator therefore is an imperfect God then..
btw its not too hard to swallow actually if people will just start thinking. will ask you the same question i asked the other guy. Do you believe God is all the else and that everything is God?

Dont believe everything because the bible is filled with alot of false and truths to confuse and control the gullible

seriallink: That's where free will comes in I guess! The Angels in Heaven have free will too; Lucifer conceived evil out of his own free will! That's why we have sin today.

ok so our god gave you free will to do anything yet will turn around and punish you forever when you err. again does that make sense to you? have a question for you though. do you believe God is all there is?

Todaynatoday: I do not believe what the writer of the article said, I'm just a bit curious at the similarity of the two verses & I'm just wondering if it could be true. God knows all & everything that happens on earth and in heaven has already been planned out by Him, could it be that God actually created satan for the very purpose of causing havoc on earth?

The creator did not create Satan we created him. No one is causing havoc on earth but ourselves. we are only just shifting the blame. btw not everything in the bible you should believe.

Todaynatoday: I don't think anyone has the answer to that question except God Himself.

You will never have the answer so long as you see yourself as separate from God.

seriallink: Luficer who later became Satan was created perfect; he wasn't created to do evil or sin, b[/b]ut pride made him sin and rebelled against God. He brought sin into the world through the first man (Adam & Eve). He now rules the world, though his reign will come to an end soon when Christ returns to rule with the elect. Read the passages below;

Isaiah 14:12-15 [b]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Ezekiel 28:13-19 [b]Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.[/b]

you erred with that first statement my friend. how can something created perfect sin. does that make sense to you. you are insulting god without noticing it. you calling God an imperfect creator one way or the other

Todaynatoday: I'm a bit confused @ the bolded sentences. You mean that nothing actually exists (except God), that life is what we make of it, right?

yes in a sense that is what im saying. God is all there is nothing else.The only thing God "created" is relativism. We have chosen to call the other end of the polarity Satan but he doesn't really exist. the day you begin to see or re-member that you are god in flesh and as such you create your own reality will be the day you would stop blaming the imaginary Satan for your troubles.

lol funny thread. btw some of what @billyionare is saying is true. it is actually very simple to calculate so called day numbers,name numbers and life path/destiny numbers. the problem with him and many religionist is that they turn these obvious things into so called secrets and mystics. there should be nothing mysterious about these things because they are not.

baby_123: Light and dark cannot mix. Dont ask me questions you yourself cannot answer. Just say you are ignorant instead of trying to pass the buck. The insult is the title.

who says I cannot answer..but this is not about me its about your statement so let's stick to it..So are you saying you made a statement yet have no idea what it means?

And where is the insult in the title. So asking if God could be Satan is now an insult?

baby_123: Now you are just pushing it. Light and dark cannot mix. Dont insult people.

of course they cannot mix but do you understand or know why? Don't just repeat what you have been told ...And where was the insult again?

Satan does not exist. It is a man made creation denoted to the other side(the evil side) of the polarity of good and evil.. but good and evil really does not exist. It is all a matter of perspective.. what is good in your eyes based on your values might be evil in another's eyes. And what is evil in your eyes might be good in another's eyes. So you see it is all a matter of perspective.

Ultimately all there is is God and no one else. He is all there Is and All That is.

^^^ lol take your time there is no rush I told you this is a discussion .. I wasn't going to reply you because I felt like you were here only to argue. And a lot of times there is a no win/win situation only wasted effort coupled with no evolution ... I'm not here to argue I'm here to make you re-member who you really are..

Area_boy: lol!! that brings us to the second point.

How many gods allow you to worship another?

YWHW made it clear in his first commandment!

You cant serve one god and at the end find out he is fake only to have the real god tell you "well, at least u did serve a god so you're good".. Really?

ywhw will just fck u up

YHWH did not give no commandments. Stop making her to be what he is not. And the least you could do is spell the name right my friend

Morgan1092: No matter your religion, live your life as if there is GOD, so that on the last day, if there is GOD, you will gain eternity and if there is no GOD you will have nothing to loose.

There is a God, the only true God, my creator and your creator. He is me, you and us. The only One, The Great I Am. He is everlasting love and all things. You are God in the flesh and made of God. We are the body of God. The whole-ly spirits of God. Eternal is who you are and there is nothing else for you to do but live life in the physical and return home when you so chooses..

There is only One God and no one else but God who individuated into the many.. So who would or should God condemn or punish? Himself? Does that make sense to you..

^^^ lol why should I

trolling: so where does your thoughts come from or what medium receives the message if its not the brain?
Secondly waht is the brain and what is the mind? mr greatgenius

Your thoughts come from your mind and not your brain .. like I said your brain is only a receiver just like the rest of your body..

Every cell in your body is has a mind of its own and is intelligent ( I'm sure you have heard of adage guys males have a second brain. And its true we do got a second brain lol ).. Now it appears all of your thoughts are coming from your brain and not anywhere else because the brain has more concentration of cells in it than at any part of your body. But the truth is every cell is intelligent

TroGunn: The brain is the centre of intelligent life and controls bodily functions. Once the brain dies, the person is gone. Nothing escapes or survives thereafter - it would be without a brain anyways. So nothing like ghosts. Stop allowing the devil fool you.

Your brain is not the center of intelligence. It is only a receiver. Your brain is not your Mind. Infact it is a fallacy to think or believe that all your thinking comes from the brain. I tell you this every cell in your body has a mind of its own..

You are not your body. The body is only a vehicle..

Reyginus: first of all, can anything unreal be experienced?

no

Are you now saying that experience is bringing into form-creation?

i am saying that to experience something it has to be created or made real. to create is make manifest or real.

Another thing is, how do you create when you are yet to know?

you cant create or experiece that which you do not know. so if you are yet to know then you are yet to create.

We are not dealing with love or fear, are we?

In a sense we are especially in physicality since we are here to experience. but ultimately the only thing real or there is love. Answer this though. can darkness exist in the presence of light?

You say we create by relativism, and also the creations of relativism is not real. Then the 'you' we set out to create becomes unreal, and we are the 'yous'. Lol.hope I'm not going crazy.

lol no you are not going crazy only trying to understand thats all. And yes relativism is our or God's greatest invention in my opinion. For instance you can know or shout to everyone that you are Love or the light till eternity but until you experience or be-come the light all you have is the Knowing. And you can oly experience that which you are(the light) in the presence of that which you re not. but there is no other because there is only you the light so you "create" or shall i say "pretend" to be the opposite opposite of that which you are not. The darkness!.is the darkness real? well only if you want it to be.

Infact, what do you mean by creating oneself? Lol.what do you really mean create oneself? are you talking out God individuating into the many?Your statement is that we are not real.

well it depends on from what perspective you looking at it from. If youre looking at it from our limited perspective then yes we are real but from a higher and ultimate perspective then the separation or the you and us is an illusion.There is only one of us.

you know what let me give you an example. take for instance a Rock that you see on the ground. looking at it from your view it is only a rock but under a microscope this rock is filled with countless atoms, protons, neutrons, and subatomic particles of matter. from within, there might seem like there is separation but ultimately there is only One rock and all particles make up this rock. do you understand?

You are getting yourself confused now.

im not you are

What about the matrix?

what about it?

Secondly, how can a creation not really exist? Do you have to touch it before it exists? The question I'd like you to answer now is, what does it mean to exist?

Actually it is impossible not to go to heaven. unless you choose not to. "Heaven" is the only absolute or ultimate reality. Hell doesnt really exist and is a created reality.

advocate666: Calm down bro. Nobody is going anywhere.
This life is all you've got. Live it wisely.

This life is not all you got my friend. You are not your body.

Depends on which of the GODS you're asking about. The Creator God or the God of our imaginations?
If it is the creator God then yes it exists. Why? The simple answer is because you and I exist and will forever exist that's why.

What form do you choose to stay in should be the question

Reyginus: This is turning out interesting. Wow!
Before I proceed, stop flattering yourself.
Let me start with your number 1. You say God created everything, but has always existed in nothingness and emptiness. Really? The problem is, you use terms whose meaning you really don't understand. If emptiness as you claimed, existed with God, it means God did not [size=14pt]create[/size] emptiness. Like God, it has always being. The moment you begin to think that God existed in a place, be it emptiness or the absolute, it automatically negates his being the first cause. To say their is no experience in the absolute is unnecessary, because God never existed in anything. Again, you are begining to sound like somebody copying from a book. Like you don't understand when a word is used in isolation/continuation with a previous statement. If not, how would you think that knowing is devine? In fact, what does it mean to you? How can being be achieved under experience? Can their be experience without the being to experience it?
Dude, stop getting yourself confused. How does being, knowing, and experience make up God? To ascribe God those qualities is to posit that God is dependent and not absolute. How is it possible for God to possess that which came into creation? If I go by this, it means being, knowing, and experience shares the uncaused cause arguement with God.
Stop getting yourself confused. How does Godhead, the level of consciousness, and the tripartite nature of man relates with being, knowing and experience?
Now I can't hold this laughter any longer. Lololol.
Please try to follow a single chain of thought. Your thoughts are really haphazard.
Be honest with yourself, did you explained anything?

@firstbolded. One of your problems is that you seem to think all of this is real. the only thing is or was is all that is in the absolute. everything else created is an illusion. To experiece who you know you are you have to be or create what you are not. Thus the creation of relativism. God is love and all there is. but to experience love you would have to experiece fear so fear was "created". but this does not make the realm of the relavtive real even though it seems real because at the end of the day it is a created reality and not real.( reason why i told you earlier that the "devil" really doesnt exist)

God has contrived to create “something else” other than it self though in strictest terms this is impossible, since God is I AM All That Is. There is no one else but God. everything you see around you is not real. It is all a game. In other words God or we are playing games with our selves sort of like the matrix.

@ sencodbolded. tied in to what i have said really that, experience which can only be had in the presence of relativism is a creation and does not really exist. it is all happening in the mind of God.

Reyginus: lolol@in my ditch now.
Gentle and slowly we'll get there. Let's start from the answer you gave. Why do you have to answer to what you don't understand?

i do understand why i answered but then i ask you in your own words and understanding what you think the spiritual is. btw this is getting redundant now. i am trying my best to answer all your questions i don't see why you cant be answering yours. if you are not ready to discuss then lets call it a day.may you find your path home

Reyginus: Good for you.
1. You know not what you think you know then. I can't help u there.

lol since i know not can you tell me

2. 'We are we are and I am what I am'. What does this mean to you?

That the I am is All That Is and nothing else. there is no one esle but you.

3. Are you the whole to begin with? Btw, answer the previous question.

Yes Iam/we are. The whole and the parts are one. There is no whole whithout the parts and no parts without the whole. do you understand

Reyginus: Lol. Before anything, why do you have to answer with a thing whose meaning you don't understand? You don't know wat the spirit is, but you used it in answering.

lol speaking of dancing and holding straws. ok lets assume i dont know what the spirit or the spiritual mean can you tell me since I am supposedly in your ditch now

Reyginus: we are gods will explain that to you.
Now a bit more out of symmetry of the first arguement. Are we nothing, since we are everywhere? If we are, why and how are we everywhere?
Also, what makes us different from the Godhead you carved differently?

1. lol Are you saying that saying we are gods denotes me as an agnostic?

2. WE are who we are and I am what I am. There is only one of us. God cannot not be every-where.

3. What Godhead do you mean what makes you different from the whole?

Reyginus: oh! Drop that straw please.
Do you need a lecture on the three big one?

i need no lecture from you but if you insist you can. but because i believe this might give me an oppurtuniy to discuss and share certain things with you, Iam going to answer your so called ditch question. it is from the spiritual to the sensual [/b]to the [b]material. I still want you to tell me what you think the spiritual comprises of though

Reyginus: Let me lol as well. Lololololol. Mine is even longer.
What do you tink is an arguement? Is it a quarrel/fight or an honest defense of a claim?
If you don't know, this is an arguement.
Which one do you think is appriopriate here?

this is more of a discussion to me. it is understanding you lack so i dont see this as an argument my friend

Dude, let's maintain the peace can we?
This is why you sound agnostic.

ok i will give you a chance to explain to me why you think i am agnostic because I am far from it.

If you think God is not seperate from you, why did you had to bring up the trinity? Why all the claims you've been making of God. Are you telling me, you've been speaking of yourself?

well i brought up those stuff to help you re-member who you really are. You are a member and part of the whole. The time of awakening is here and it is about time some of you re-member. There is only One of us, who individuated into the many. You were born with the creative powers of the univese on your lips and thus create your own reality just like a god should.

And oh you would have to first of all explain what you mean by the spiritual,material and sensual because i know most of you have a warped understanding specifically of the spiritual. i could teach you a thing or two

Reyginus: No, it is not me not understanding nothingness, it is insufficient and weak explanations that are faulty.
Be consistent my friend. Are you staying with emptiness, nothingness, or both of them?
Yes I know, my ideas and thoughts originate from sense experience. What do you think?
Thank you for entering into my ditch. You said yes. First of all, are the figments of our imagination sensual, material or spiritual?

lol you are a funny little one. you thanking me for entering into your ditch?. you actually think this is an argument or fight lol. you fell before you jumped my friend.

btw if you were actually paying attention and not wanting to engage in a loosing fight you would have realized i said " what some might call the nothingness or the emptiness" the emptiness is actually an eastern concept whiles the nothingness is a western.