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@ Anony I want to take this on a different tangent so let me ask you a question since something tells me you are a Christian( correct me if I am wrong)...

1.Do you believe God to be both the beginning and the end?
2. According to the bible Do you also believe the real name of the sub sub logos (creator) of this planet to be YHWH which represents the elements hydrogen ,oxygen and nitrogen?

Well there are thousand of thousand of other civilizations out there...some more evolved and advanced than us and others not so much... You also have a couple of hundreds not as advanced as us... YOU ARE NOT ALONE ... It is arrogant for humans to think they are..

Affiliated: Yes. Whatever you take God to be is a truth. For example we know there's heat and cold but both are just different variations of the same thing. So I can claim something is both cold andhot at the same time.. It just depends on who's perspective.

LOL I can't believe you guys are still discussing this... Once I realize I am dealing with close minded people no offense intended I just retire.... They are fighting tooth and nail because they cannot fathom their God playing both " god" and " devil" at the same time... Believing such an idea will usher in an end to religion...and since they don't want to take responsibility for their life's and think for themselves they will rather not have that happen ...

I mean this is kindergarten stuff really... You believe there is only one god and none else... A true statement I might say... You also believe this god created light/ love and as such he is the light... He also then creates darkness/fear yet he is not those things as well?

Using a human scenario imagine yourself as a director with a script in your hands.. one of the characters in the script should be "good" and another the opposite "bad"... there is no one else but the director , yet he comes up with an idea to play both characters out .. well how does he do it? He comes up with a video camera throw some costumes on( one for each character intermittently ) and acts out the script.. he edits and put the completed movie on the screen... The question is how many people are in the movie? One or two? You are correct with either answer from whatever perspective you look at it from.. but ultimately there is only one person playing both characters at the same " time"....

Like I keep telling you guys this is all a game.. an illusion .. a dream... There is only one of us here...

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lol not on nairaland...i see you like drama

Affiliated: I really tried to explain the whole idea using quantum physics which has proven that light is both a particle and a wave at the same time and can decide to be anyone at any given time. If that wasn't enough, I doubt the concept can be grasped. Anyway as long as everyone's beliefs work for them. No one is forcing anyone

lol if they are religious fanatics bringing science in it and telling them God basically is energy might get you hanged lol... i explained what YHwH stands for in another thread to some christians and the very idea that the name of their God are the elements HYDROGEN OXYGEN AND NITROGEN didnt sit well with them...

^^^^ he would read but not understand most of the things you just said... but keep educating him maybe he will start to open his awareness and get it...
i realized most people here have limited views on things thats why i dont post much. nothing you say makes sense to them if it is not in alignment with thier beliefs

Affiliated: I wonder why people feel that the Universe revolves around their conscious mind and must act according to its understandings. I really agree about the blind believers

lol they would soon come to the truth... just like they came to the truth that the sun does not revolve around the earth lol.. they will also soon find out that the notion that nothing travels faster than the speed of light is not true etc etc. lets us all wait for the unfoldment

lol it is illogical when the premise does not agree with the conclusion in their head...if it does only then do they see it as logical... humans are funny i tell you...

i really dislike blind followers... you believe your "God" to be everywhere( becuase someone told you to)..to them if their God is everywhre then he must be a one powerful being... yet they fail to see that the very notion of their God being everywhere implies that he is no-where in particular... to them accepting that angle means their God might not be as powerful as they thought it to be(they incorrectly imagine no where to be infinitesimal and insignificant)... or worst their God might not even exist becuase they have been misled to bellieve that nowhere and nothing means non-existent. and that notion they cannot conceive and condone....

to humans more means better; greater means higher; higher means better...but i ask you this is a human higher up in the sky let say in an aircraft better than a human on the ground?...

^^^^Is religion a being ? Is religion intelligent? Who made or "invented" religion? Did religion invent itself? ... Why do you guys always look at things from a lower perspective?

^^^ultimately the PEOPLE are the problem..does religion follow people or people follow religion..Think about this deeply

otheloze: @ greatgenius
Going by your logic we can also deduce that all views about God's existence or nonexistence are all right by simply considering God to be all of time and space everywhere and nowhere. He She or It can not be narrowed down to any point of time or location. hence he can not be quantified or totally qualified. Deeply thinking along this line there is a meeting point of all views as regards God, The is point, i could say atheist theist deist are all right in their views about God

good point... from the limited angle that each looks at the concept of God, you could say they are all right... you have to unsersstand that the term God is a concept albeit albeit a good one but it represents a slightly distorted view of ULTIMATE reality...it(God) is a concept, but that doesn’t mean it should not be used. A concept has value but it should not be mistaken for Ultimate reality. A concept is a perception of reality that may or may not have a certain amount of distortion to it. In this case, “God” is a slightly distorted view of reality. Infinte Creator is all there is. it all that is... "Creator” is an undistorted view of reality. There is no “right or “wrong” in actuality. There is only what serves you, and what does not. If you need a “God” because that perception serves you, then so be it.

But “creator” is what the truth is..creator is all there is. There is only creator and creation. This is universal and everyone understands and knows this... But “God” is something that has to be explained, and has been explained in so many different ways and yet there is still so much mystery to it to some becuae of the angle people look at their God concept from.. Truth is always clear, but illusion never seems to get clear enough.

the God concept implies some “supreme being” that is “higher” than all, “ruler” of all, able to “assert” itself over other being’s reality, is the one “responsible” for whatever happens in the reality of other beings, has “power” over all, is “overseer” of all, and “owner” of all.
But this and such an idea becomes unnecessary when one remembers or come to the relization of the truth that... Self is Supreme, Self is Creator, Self is responsible for all events and experiences, and Self is All. This is All based on the Law of One.

The concept of god is not based on the law of One, and in a sense and many cases forms a dualistic consciousness. but there is actually nothing other than the law of One...anything other than the law of One is “unreal” or an illusion and far from ultimate reality... and so you could say the concept of God represents a slightly distorted view of waht ultimate reality is..
When reality is viewed with the law of One, there is no distortion and only the Self is seen. It is said that “God is the Creator”..but the truth is and in truth, Self is Creator and the Self creates the reality of “God” and all its implications as one of its experiences. Therefore the experience of “God” is the result of a created reality, but Self is the uncreated reality...

tkhe concept of God should be upgraded to the law of One. There is only one of us here...God is You. You are ALL THAT IS..
ps when i speak of self i am not talking about the individual conscioness of you that experiences reality in whatever form it is in but your indiviaul self in conjuction with the whole of existence.. The totality of YOU.. think sea and its individual waves but all making up the sea..

^^^^^ being pure enough is not the same as pure btw so you might want to revise your statement since you really wish to see God.. your statements gives you up...
Btw Keep looking for God outside of yourself and you will never find it.

^^^^ not really in the mood for a discussion today. But that verse should not be taken literally brother... It is not what you think it means...

Since you are a Christian who obviously believes in the ascended master jesus as your " saviour".. dis he not utter that whoever has seen me has seen God? Did he also not say I and the father are one? .. going by your verse are you saying that all that saw jesus were pure in heart? Are you saying jesus lied when he made those statements? I tell you what jesus didn't lie in any of those statements..

Atheist:-D:
Was it? The world was never a better place. That was why ppl turned to those religions. It is now that these religions serve no REAL purpose.

good point...The introduction of polarity was what brought about religion .. Religions has always existed all the way to antiquity from when women used to control every aspect of society till now...

Religion could be blamed for part of the problem but the truth is that THE PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM not religion...

When humans begins to remember who they are the need for religion will be no more..

striktlymi: Good morning,

You really do not strike me as one who is sincere. I believe you just have a problem with religion.

A sincere Atheist would respect someones beliefs though refuse to believe himself.

he is not sincere...some of these pseudo atheist parading as atheist are some of the most ignorant set of humans you would meet.. they are just as ignorant as the Christians and Moslems they ridicule ...

ooman: You obviously religious so i forgive you, i would be disappointed if you claim to be an atheist and utter such words.

well with ignorance like this been displayed who would want to be an atheist ....you claim you are an atheist yet you want someone to help you believe...is this what atheism has turned into?

You are very daft I might say.. in your haste to reply you obviously didn't get the message I passed accross ...go read the message again..
And where did you get the i am a religionist part from my post? ... I see why the religionist are ignoring you. You are obviously not right upstairs ...keep crying for help..

ooman: You seem not to understand your religion. Have you forgotten "Go ye therefore and make disciples of all nations" Mat 28 v 19. It is your duty to want me to believe in God, if you understand that.

Dont try to dodge if you dont have any prove. Just shut up as i have already said.

ooman: You want me to believe in God? then show me God! You can't? then shut up.

this is a very s.tupid and silly question borne out of ignorance .... Don't ask people if you want to believe in God. Ask yourself if you want to believe in God..I don't think anyone is or should be forcing you to believe in God.. I think your statement is more of a plea for help....you think you know better but your just as lost as the religionists that you try so much to ridicule ...

Having said that if you are looking for God. Look no further than yourself, your neighbor , your parents..etc
You are God in flesh . God in amnesia in third density .. God is not in the sky and sHe does not need your worship..

Affiliated: Ok. X JUST IS. Are you happy now? the whole idea of X IS NOT is that it X is not to you. For instance invisible green cars aren't but they actually are because if they really aren't then we wouldn't even be able to think about it. So invisible green cars are not to you but they really are. which is why i was trying to say there is really no such thing as nothing. I thought the "4D" picture i put would explain things a little better. i.e. those guys climbing up and not climbing up at the same time.
I know you were referring to our logic.

don't worry yourself about what you can't control...You can tell when someone is not ready to remember... When they are not ready nothing you say will make sense to them.... Your job really on this earth is to live and experience ... Things are making sense to you because you are ready... So don't worry too much about others just follow on your path and let them theirs . they will get there no matter how long it takes...

As far as evil they are evil in human terms because they are playing their part of the game that they have chosen out of love to help humanity evolve higher..But they are very illuminated like some of us are.. The difference between the luciferians and " humans" are that the luciferians know they are playing the game.. humans are still in the illusion ...

BTW the rothchilds and the Rockefellers etc and those humans that you know are just pawns in the game the lucifers are using .. .. they are not part of the original bloodline or part of the luciferian soul group but part of the "family"..

Affiliated: Ok sir. I actually think the illuminati if they still exist are totally different people

They do exist and yes they are different ... Different because their creator or soul group complex is not Yahweh but Lucifer... But if you see them on the street they look exactly as " humans"... Having said that their DNA make up is also different from your make-up... They have evolved higher in awareness than humans...

Like the luciferian soul group, there are other soul groups like the Ra and others that have manifested on this earth to help humans in their evolution.... My point is that every " human" you see was or is created by Yahweh or part of the Yahweh soul group but once you are here you are terrestrial.. but I get your point .....

@ Anony I understand how you feel and where you coming from. It is well

Affiliated: Lol. By terrestrials, I mean life originating on earth and by extraterrestrials i mean outside earth. The 13 bloodlines are SPECULATED to have come from mars after martians partook in a Luciferian process. The Hebrews are SPECULATED to have come from somewhere which I can't remember now but they didn't take part in the Luciferian process so they got along just fine with humans. All these are speculations though and you may be right after all. But on another note, I find it interesting that all the United States presidents that ever ruled descend from a single bloodline. Obama and Bush seem world's apart which is why I didn't want to believe it at first

I see what you are saying but my point was that as long as you incarnate here no matter what group soul you belong to you are terrestrial....

Now the 13 bloodlines which you have chosen to call illuminatis( and there are millions of them.) incarnated here on the behest of Yahweh to introduce polarity to his creations...
The presidents and the people that you know them as illuminatis are not part of the original bloodlines..

You know what this is not the time to talk about stuff like these...not this thread...but believe me they are not speculations....

Yahweh or YHWY is coded for Hydrogen, Oxygen , and Nitrogen...it is the real name of the creator of this world..

Affiliated: Another interesting fact about Yahweh is that right now 13 bloodlines control 95% of the world's resources. these bloodlines are speculated to have extraterrestrial origins. The hebrew race is also speculated to have extraterrestrial origins and they are the ones that brought the idea of Yahweh

we are all aliens if by extraterrestrial you mean aliens... Now the 13 bloodlines are just part of the group memory complex/souls lucifer...just as " humans" are part of the group soul Yahweh... The 13 bloodlines are not part of the Yahweh group soul... And no Hebrews are not " aliens"...

Like I said Yahweh is just a coded name for the planetary logos or creator of this world..

Affiliated: Well I know this world has a creator and that creator is known by many names to many people. A lot of religions and secret societies talk about the creator of this world but I really don't have any means to tell if their stories are true or are based on true events and my unconscious mind hasn't accepted any of the stories I've seen as true. So I really don't have any opinion about Yahweh for now. Maybe on my path towards enlightenment I'll find out about Yahweh but that knowledge would have to emanate from within me and not someone else trying to force it on me

Good point..the truth should never be forced ... The truth is in you..only thing others can do is to help you remember.. if they are forcing and urging you to believe it at all cost, you know something is wrong.. The truth should always resonate with your soul because it is where all the secrets of the universe lies...

^^^^ yea hopefully we can all get some clarity.. And speaking of fascinating what's your personal view on Yahweh the creator of this world

Before we continue with this whole God concept which seems to be confusing a lot of people I want to bring some few definitions in.... BTW it seems like the people who have a hard time understanding what and who God really is are the extremely religious humans...
Anyway here it is .. It is time for you guys to know some truths about the universe and the God of your world, Yahweh ...

God = All-That-Is, Pure Consciousness, Universal Mind, Source of All, Prime Creator, One Infinite Creator

Elohim = A group of Creator light Beings that are involved in the Creation of our world

Yahweh = One of the Elohim who is involved in the Creation of the Human Species and is our Planetary Logos

Lucifer = A Being of light that is involved in presenting polarity into our world for freewill evolution of humanity

Jesus = A Master that incarnated to teach awareness of Source. In Christian perspective, Jesus is an extension of Yahweh

Man = An Aspect of Prime Creator that is in third density embodiment for the human experience. Prime Creator is All Things.

“I have said you are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High.” ... We need to talk about the Group soul Yahweh and then maybe some clarity will come in..

Reyginus: Lololol. Dude you are not getting it.
First, what we think is the shape of the universe will not change the shape of the universe. The truth doesn't change, what might change is how we perceive it.
Now to the point.
To argue logically, our reasoning must not be incoherent.
To begin with, we need to understand something. How is logic treated in 'your' 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th dimension?

no you are not getting it and sorry but I am not going to waste my energy on you again..I did a whole thread with you so I already know your level of consciousness .. it will be futile at this point going back and forth with you...

Nothing I have said concerning The creator is incoherent ...you just don't understand from your limited perspective ...Those that have ears understands or starting to understand ... It is not for all to understand.. either way my job will have been done..

Reyginus: Before anything we say here will even make sense, we must understand what it means to argue logically.
If you had replied 'no' to the question: 'can God be explained logically?', understanding your claim wouldn't have posed any difficulty. But I really don't understand what you think is meant by explaining God logically.
Is it possible to explain a thing logically by going against the rules of logic?

argue logically from what dimension... 2nd, 3rd, or 4th or maybe 5th dimensions... rules of logic according to what dimension or perception? ... once upon a time from a two dimensional perspective the world was thought to be flat and then it became round and believed by many to be so .. we now know the world to be a sphere...but was the world really flat?..you have to understand that the rules or so called logic of a lower dimension does not work in higher dimension or when looking at things from a higher perspective...until you are ready to open your mind and accept the possibility that something might not be what it looks like you would be stuck at where you are...Things that made sense and worked in earlier generations do not make sense now..i have told you this before but you really need to expand your awareness...

awareness brings knowledge. knowldege brings power and understanding which sets you free.. awareness is freedom..you have to get out of the three dimesional bubble and see things for what they really are..i tell you what there are higher and higher secrets of this universe that humanity have not even began to scratch the surface to...awake my friend awake..

this might sound very confusing to some but it is a Fact...

If it does not exists then it exists.. might sound contradictory and confusing but if you think deeply you will see the truth in it...

the I am and I am not. the is and not is... The beginning and the end. the everything and nothing. the everywhere and nowhere...it is an advanced concept and understanding. but once you begin to understand and step away from the illusion all of it makes sense..