OmovuduTheBeast: All this Benin ashawo! Dis one die for nothing because I know say dis case nor go see the light of the day as far as na black woman wey come be African for that matter
IF you must come to the public sphere to discuss, you must come forward with your evidence.
Show me your evidence. You’re saying it’s at home. Go and bring it na. What’s my own. Are you daft?
Of course it’s a tongue but you are yet to prove to me that the crap you’re typing is the linguistic reality.
Bring me linguistic evidence stop saying it’s at home with your people. Bring something verifiable. Help ya self.
Contrary to your delusions, the linguistic evidence has the following to say:
(1) The Bini word oghene has three distinct meanings in order of their popular usage context as follows.
(A) oghene → Osa [i.e. God].
(B) oghene → Ooni of Ife.
(C) oghene → A piece from a five-piece kola.
(2) The Bini word oghene (whatever meaning it has) originally comes the name Ooni.
“oghene … cf. Yor. Ooni.”
H. Melzian, A Concise Dictionary of the Bini Language of Southern Nigeria.
Making a claim is one thing, providing evidence for it is another thing.
Help yourself with some evidence if you must come forward to make claims.
Peace! :
The oba of benin must be yoruba by force or fire �....
The east is west and west is east in tao11 contest, the more you lingers this on the more you promote our truth, you have done more damage to yourself and yoruba at large than good
The Benin country was one of the African kingdom most visited by the europeans, And so many European ethnographers visited the kingdom to collect cultural information of the country benin, the most of european documentation written about benin kingdom are still yet to be explored , and even translated to English, sometimes the benin soldiers were hired by the europeans with the consent of the oba of benin, when the europeans needed to explore the hinterland of foreign old Nigerian territories
The ogisos (sky kings) To find the truth behind ogiso dynasty if they truly existed we need to first interpret the Benin traditional worship believe system
The Benin traditional belief system is based on pure animism were they believe everyone that dies their spirit wonders around on earth to protect their loved ones... And an alter would be set for the deceased as a means to communicate to the dead spirit, the benins traditional system also believed on powerful monarchs the king of sea(olokun) and the king of the earth ( oba of benin) overtime the oba of benin became more powerful than than olokun... And had control over it The benins believed on life on earth after death and and associated no spirituality to the sky, the benins believe in the gods of the wind, sun who comes together to bring rain they also believed these God's were on earth and not in the heavens
The question now is how did the ogiso narrative come into being ... If benins never associated relevance to heaven
Overtime the european Christian influence warranted some benins who were questioned by European ethnographers to give answers to these ethnographers that believe would suite them and not necessarily reality ... The ogiso narrative was born out of european Christianity narrative of a sky king the benins were aware of this Christian narrative of Jesus christ through European missionaries and they gave answers to what they felt would be appealing.... And when the europeans enquired further on the existence of the ogiso the benins told the europeans that the ogiso ruled in the time of the earth had no sun or moon
Oba esigie who welcomed Christianity into benin after the Benin-idah war brought the osa(God) the sky king narrative who oversees everyone on earth.... From his time you will begin to hear edo names with the acronym osa
If ogiso were truly myth like what we have seeing then the title oba have always indigenous
The act making ogiso narrative real in benin history was an act to make the kingdom look older...
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Na mumu man d o.p be... You allow your wife for another man car... Why
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N:B she is not the only one the man takes to work
Oga why would you allow your wife enter another mans car in the first place... Nawa oo
You nor dey give her money for transport...
Your writeup tells the kind of husband you're careless one at that
TAO12: You’re giving the impression that they penetrated into the interior of Africa from 1470 onwards. That’s a big, fat, huge LIE.
Show me the European who penetrated from near the coast into the interior of Africa from the 1470s to the 1790s.
And if you can’t find one (of course you can’t), then a sane person would read up to understand why the Europeans didn’t dare penetrate deep from the coast areas into the deep forest interior until the late 1790s/early 1800s.
Yes the Benin kingdom of the time was from the coast of Ughoton and goes as far as probably Auchi.
So, the Europeans once in a while visit the capital city while remaining at Ughoton most times for their trade.
The Europeans traded with anyone (as long as they’re not too far off from the coast — whether it’s a village or it’s a kingdom).
Some of the many villages not for off from the coast whom Europeans traded with in the early centuries are: Cape-Palmas, Cape-Three Points, Komenda, etc.
At this point, a sane mind would ponder why they had trading relationships with places not far off from the coast (whether village or kingdom) from the west side to central Africa; but never daring to penetrate too deep into the deeply forested interior.
It would be MyTh IF and only IF the Benin king himself is a MyTH — because the conversation with the Bini ambassador(s) is about who is the most powerful king in the Guinea forest. And the answer given by the Bini ambassador is:
Ọghẹnẹ (classical Bini rendition), Ọghọni (the classical Yoruba rendition), Ogané/Hooguanee (the Portuguese rendition given in the texts).
Also, the conversation about this most powerful king continued for centuries. The Ooni was finally met in the 1800s at a time when Europeans could now reach the deepest parts of the West African forest interior.
LMAO! No, east is NOT west, and west is NOT east. And I never said it is.
The clarification from the consensus of the scholars of historical scholarship, instead, is as follows:
Ife is known by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes) for a huge part of the Gulf of Guinea; not only in Benin kingdom.
~ Refer to the oba’s dawn prayers where he expresses the connection between Ife in particular (and Yoruba land in general) AND the dawn/rising-sun.
Thus, the description of the Ogané’s base (as the place from where the sun rises) as given by the Binis (to the Portuguese) is not a geographical/literal description; but rather religious/reverential.
However, the Europeans whom this description was given to received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings.
In addition to this clarification, maps drawn during the same period by other Europeans (e.g. the French) clearly shows the “Ogane’s Dominion” on the western side of Benin (over a vast expanse of the Nigeria area and beyond). Now you gerrit.
Get a grip.
Peace! ✌
Only you they drag debate with yourself....
In a bid to convince yourself in your weed smoking world
Everyone knows europeans were stationed at the shores to trade, and they visited coastal countries interiors, like benin, lagos, ijebu that was visited by the Portuguese at their first arrival
And you came up with europeans didn't visit the interior of West Africa until 1800 which is untrue
If oghene existed the Portuguese would have begged benin to escorts them there to see the oghene if he wasnt really a myth, they probably figured out that the ambassador was talking on myth.... Tho
If those very statement had come from the oba himself and not an ambassador probably we would had a second thought on believing it..
The only powers European mentions in the coast of Nigeria was the Benin and igalas, not until the Benin destruction on igalas that made them very weak..
If oghene is true definitely the oghene was probably from igala area, the king of igala...
The Benin were fully aware of igalas presence in their location before a rebelling chief went to meet the igala kings to war benin, definitely it was the only powerful kingdom that could stage benin, the oghene if he truly existed he was probably from the igala region, but we are yet to get any prove to this
TAO12: Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period. Show me NOW.
No European penetrated africa prior to 1470 AD... But when they did they visited all vital useful areas,
Just the way the Itsekiris introduced a vital country benin kingdom to Portuguese same way the benin introduced the oghene to europeans, the europeans would have visited but they knew the benins were talking on some. myth they were even giving the location by binis to the east which was opposite of ife....
But you say east is west and west is east..
I nor know wetin i go do again
But you my friend on some ogene strong shit... You want to turn myth to truth...
Ogiso was in existence hundreds of years before oduduwa. The last Ogiso gave birth to Oduduwa the exile prince. Please, who was the father of Oduduwa.
Stop believing on that history Ogiso, go amd do research on benin history
Ogiso were myth, the title of oba has always been the title of benin kings
Oromiyan and Oduduwa history came into being in 1914 When oba eweka 11 stretched the hands of friendship to the yorubas for a political unity with Edos, during the time the monarchy was reinstalled
Open your eyes and stop arguing on myth research your history bro
I just told you fact. Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man.
Oranmiyan even named Benin ile ibinu which was corrupted to Benin
Itsekiris were the people who described benin as ile binu to the Portuguese and not any fucking Oromiyan that started appesring6in benin history after amalgamation
Are you saying Oba of Benin ranks above the likes of Ooni of Ife, Alaafin of Oyo etc?
I doubt that.
Oduduwa, their historical father gave birth to seven children. During his death time, all his children were not home-based. He however had an aide who, though wasn't his biological child, knew about his power source and top secrets. The 'aide' afterwards was made to occupy the ancestral seat (reagent) and became pioneer Ooni of Ife. His first biological son, the pioneer Alaafin of Oyo believes he is superior. The superiority tussles is the feud often passed down to new Alaafin and Ooni. Luckily, the present Ooni accepted Alaafin as his father for peace to reign, basically due to age difference.
Politically, they are all first-class monarchs? Oba of Benin is not the first child or 'reagent'. He's just one of his children.
To know who the Itsekiris are, ask them. What/who do the Itsekiris themselves say they are?
(A) The eyewitness accounts collected from them in the 1800s have them confirming to the Europeans that they are part and parcel of the larger Yoruba group:
(I) “Let me now refer briefly to the tribes that people this part of the world. First we come to the Jakris, who are connected in race and language with the Yoruba people, extending from the Mahin country on the west to the Forcados on the East, and inland about as far as Sapele.”
~ H. L. Gallwey, “Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa,” The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), p.127.
(II) “In this respect, however, the officials agree with the tradition of the people at Warri, the Jekries, who claim to come from the west.”
~ H. Ling Roth, “Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts and Horrors,” (1903), pp.8-9.
(B) This historical reality of the Itsekiris have remained the same since that period (i.e. the 1800s & prior) all the way to the present century, day & time.
(I) For example, at timestamp 7:01 to 7:13 of this video, Chief Robinson Ariyo (the Egogo of Warri kingdom) says and I quote:
“… Yoruba, a place where we are from … our roots.”
(II) At timestamp 8:22 to 8:27 of this video, Chief Isaac Jemide (the Oshodin of Warri kingdom) says:
“… we are a Yoruba people as such.”
(2) ON ODUDUWA:
First of all, there is no such historical personage called Izoduwa (Imadoduwa) etc. in Benin traditions.
The IzOdUwA narrative is a fabrication that was made up by some Binis in the 1970s. And it was first heard of by the typical Edo person during Omonoba Erediauwa’s coronation ceremony of 1978-9.
Academic/professional historians (NOT the Benin neighborhood story-tellers) all laugh at this fabrication for being a poor job. This scandal is known to experts. Benin elders also know it. See attached screenshot for one example.
The classical story of the Bini Ekeladerhan which was first collected in the year 1889 is clear that he lived the remaining part of his life in his newly founded kingdom, Ughoton.
A Bini chronicler and chief (J. Uwadiae Egharevba) who flourished decades later also collected practically the same story of Ekaladerhan (from an entirely different generation of Bini informants), and his story also ended at his kingdom, Ughoton.
During all these period, Benin history recognizes King Oduduwa as being distict from Ekeladerhan. In fact, it is clear from the early Benin works that Oduduwa was already a King at Ife long before Ekaladerhan’s fore-fathers would be born.
In other words, it is very clear from the early records of Benin history that Oduduwa ruled in Ife when the first Ogiso, viz. Ogiso Igodo was sent to Igodomigodo to establish a supreme-supra-chiefdom there.
Whereas, Ekalderhan is the son of the last Ogiso, viz. Ogiso Owodo according to Benin records (even the recent records haven’t yet modified this part).
This is what the earliest records of Benin history say — that, Oduduwa is a different and distinct person from Ekeladerhan. They flourished in different eras.
Fast forward to the 1970s, lies began to surface in the history of Benin. The motive behind these lies have been variously linked, by scholars, to — for example — the need for the modern Binis “to ground the idea of an exceptional antiquity for their people and claims for its exclusive part in the sociopolitical life of independent Nigeria” ~ Bondarenko (2003:68).
In summary, early Benin history recognize Oduduwa as a different & distinct person from Ekaladerhan. He is recognized as having flourished at the outset of the Ogiso monarchy. It wasn’t until the 1970s before the Binis attempted to alter their own early documented history so as to equate two different persons as one and the same person for the purpose of veiling what they perceive to be an embarrassing aspect of their history in a newly formed country, Nigeria.
So, who is King Oduduwa? Oodua ruled as king only in Yorubaland. So, again (just like the Itsekiris’s case) ask at Ife (where he ruled) to know who he is.
According to received Ife traditions (and obviously the earliest Yoruba traditions), Oduduwa is known (without any confusion) as Oshin Ora in his oriki.
In the earliest Yoruba traditions, he is identified as a Yoruba leader who hailed from the hilly settlement of Oke-Ora; that is, one of the seven hilly settlements surrounding the Ife-bowl.
—————— PS: @Enceladus, please be guided that the circular burial pits discovered are eleven (11) in total.
Screenshot Reference: J. Eboreime, “Oral Traditions and the Prehistory of the Edo-Speaking People of Benin” in Blench and Spriggs, Archaeology and Language I, Taylor & Francis e-Library, 2004, p. 314.
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