₦airaland Forum

AlexBells:
I'm not talking about checks and balances, oppression or all of that the question is, is the Oba the supreme Commander of Yoruba army or not, whereas the Igbos don't maintain a standing army but when the need arises there shall be mobilisation, in this case every able bodied Igbo is a soldier then parents are in elders meeting, youth in age grade, the king in Igboland can't just declare war becuase he has no standing army, the whole thing has to work as a team.

You have to make announcement for all able bodied men and women to come out at which point the elders will have much say becuase we are talking about their children, the Yorubas on the other hands can have an army of slaves, the Igbos did not, on the long run both culture are beautiful, keeping a standing army in Igboland may not be written but it is almost illegal, in security young people take turns to secure the community and there is no official security.

This thread should be for us to learn each others culture and not some fight

What is wrong with the Oba being the supreme commander of the army? Is it different from what presidents and prime ministers do today?
You are basically laying bare the differences in the level of civilization between the old Yorubaland and Iboland.
Also, this is another one of your contradictions, in an individualistic society like you said, do you think no collective effort is needed to organize an army you can readily call up anytime there's a war?

AlexBells:
They have council of elders but the Oba is the highest decision makers, in most part of AlaIgbo the council of elders have high stake, even the people that has king, he is not as supreme as the Obas in Yorubaland, the Igbos did not keep a ready army but when there is war every able bodied person mobilized, but in Yorubas there is a standing army that is commanded by the Oba so if there is war in Igboland and the king insist there shall be war but the elders think otherwise, they can tell their wards not to enlist but in Yorubaland however these soldiers are already enlisted prior to any eventuality

This is what I am talking about, you need to know your subject before you dabble into it. The Oba system in Yorubaland is done in such a way that an Oba, though powerful cannot become a dictator and terrorize his people.
The Oba is the highest decision maker, you are right but he does in consultation with his people through his chiefs and elders in the community. Learn your subject before dabbling into it.

AlexBells:
Oga you can use as much derogatory concept as you fancy, you get the point, Yorubas are inclined towards individual development while Igbos are inclined towards teamwork, you can call it clannish or collectivism it all in the English, it is all a mechanism for survival

Yorubas apart from being a monarchy was also traditional large scale farmers meaning that one man has to stay at the top and employ others but the Igbos were more of subsistence farmer in the old in days, that's why in Things fall apart, you will realise that Okonwo was exceptional, but being subsistence farmers the Igbos has a rotational farming system of age grade this means that even with less investment a young Igbo could come up with a reasonable amount of farm

You are wrong and you don't know what you are talking about, this is the problem with some of you! Some of you think the world started the day you were born.

AlexBells:
The question is why should Yorubas have Oba, isn't that about exceptional individualism, the Oba is first let me say among equals, that is individualism not teamwork, the Igbos in our hamlet we have council of elders, that's teamwork, whatever works for a people is welcomed, we are all different people and I'm not going to say that teamwork is better than individualism, it all about situation, for instance Messi is a team player while Ronaldo is a bit individualistic both are great players

Who told you Yorubas didn't have council of chiefs and elders as well, with women always well represented long before white people found feminism?
You know nothing about Yoruba, you need to either learn more or leave the subject.

AlexBells:
Forget about government and all the sentiments that we had been fed, no one is judging here about money, we are talking about worldviews, Igbos are a team people thats why we all vote PDP, we give block vote, we live in a cluster, that's why you go to computer village and it is dominated by Igbos becuase Igbos will prefer to go where there is another Igbo, this had helped us, it also have its downsides at painting us as dominating, unlike Yorubas, a Yoruba man can single handedly set up his church in AlaIgbo without considering if there is a Yoruba community there because the worldview of Yorubas is individual development but the worldview of the Igbos is Igwebuike (Multitude is strength).

You need to understand the contrast a line here, for you to be part of a team you need to have some level of self development and for you to emerge as an exceptional individual you must have had people or team who help furnish you so they are very closely related concept

You are unable to distinguish between clanish mentality and collectivism.
A Yoruba would single handedly set up his chuch in Alaigbo not considering if there are Yorubas there or not because his primary aim is not to preach to Yorubas alone.
The reason Yorubas have Obas is the same reason other ancient civilizations had their kings, it is the same reason modern countries have presidents and prime ministers.
The real question is why Ibos didn't have kings. I personally find it odd.

Convoluted bullshit, write up is very contradictory and doesn't make any sense.
Yorubas excell in different sports whether a team sport or individual sport. You should know your subject before you ridicule yourself in front of millions of people.
Yoruba are individualistic and yet have Obas as a rallying figure in every Yoruba settlement, yet people who traditionally lived in small hamlets with each man to his own compound are more team oriented?
Dumb post.

Yoruba nation is moving forward. The struggle is a marathon not a sprint.

r4bbit:
The funniest part is... All those list you gave?
You lack proper understanding of....where did you come across those list...
The Yoruba history is bigger than that you can do better mumu....

You be olodo period

You don't need to engage that fool. Remember, ignorance is bliss.

Nigeria is messed up. What type of judge would even allow this in his/ her court room?

IBB has only one vote.

Like Idi Amin, freedom of speech is guaranteed in Nigeria but freedom after speech could be a small problem.

Decency2020:
He doesn't need any ticket, it is a free ride to and fro, free nice food and executive hotel accommodation

All expenses paid vacation to Disneyland.

You can buy him a ticket and see if he would go. Afterall, he is not very busy at the moment.

Organs:
I don't understand why anyone with decency or integrity will support Sunday Igboho or Nnamdi Kanu? I am not in 100% support of this govt, however there are proper and non violent ways of doing things. Now, if a southerner is President and a northerner with similar crimes is locked up or paraded, that is when we will understand our corruption starts with we ourselves. A criminal is innocent if i hate the govt and like the criminal cos he is from my place, or my tribe, etc.

Please mention just one violent crime Sunday Igboho committed in the course of his protests against criminal herders and during the agitation for Odua nation.
If you can explain his crimes to me perhaps I will be able to understand your position.

Blackfire:
We stand with kyari

You cannot stand with Kyari and not stand with Hushpuppi. They are joined together like Siamese twins.

brainpulse:
Funny! You cant stop a law agency like DSS from carrying out its Job.

Howbeit It is just an exparte order (temporary), and DSS may not obey it in the interest of National security

DSS may not obey a court order in the interest of national security?
When we say we are back in dictatorship some people think that could be a stretch.

lessonotes:
I have begged and will continue to plead; secession is not a small thing and not the solution to Nigeria's woes.

Every entity from a broken secession often risks civil war. South Sudan is a clear case. Be warned!!! If the South West secede and there's civil war within that small region, where do we run to. No one is ready for that madness. I repeat Be warned!!!

I am beginning to think that these calls for secession are the work of opposition parties, when not in power. They use it as a tool to divide and it is glaring to see. My uncle who is resident in the US and pro PDP would bombard my WhatsApp with all this secession calls, messages and videos of propaganda and what not.

We know Nigeria is not working as it should, but secession is not the way to solve it.

Patriotism is dead.

No, secession is absolutely not the handiwork of any opposition group. Nigeria is like one giant slave camp and many Nigerians don't even realize it.
One thing I can assure you is that given the way Nigeria is structured, it will never develop to a country all Nigerians are proud of and unfortunately some people are ok with that and would even do anything to keep it that way. This is not how to encourage patriotism.
Secession is one solution and it doesn't have to be bloody but if someone start shooting at you I think it is up to you to defend yourself whichever way you can.

FakeUnity:
Then you are still not ready to learn properly. I'll remind you in future of this your 'politically correct' foolery when your start gnashing your teeth again post 2023.

I don't care about 2023, we need to restructure at the minimum and if we can't achieve this Oduduwa nation is my destination.

FakeUnity:
Why should Iove him and his tribe? Does him and his tribe love my tribe?

Anyways it seems you never learn. You are probably still waiting for him to give you 'yoruba presidency' in exchange for fulani emirates in yorubaland. Good luck to you.

You see, we disagree with him for different reasons. You just admitted that. It's amazing how you would accuse me of tribalism when you are neck deep in it. I feel sorry for you.

Mikecold:
My brother we have seen so many Yoruba Muslims that share thought with muric

No be one man renegade

I doubt you know Yorubas more than I do. "Yoruba Muslims" is a creation of some hateful individuals who would like us to turn against each other based on religion and that will never happen, trust me.

FakeUnity:
Yes we criticized him because we knew he was up to no good while you were deceived by the abooki retards because of your lack of potent discerning ability.

We knew he was a scam, we were right, you were wrong. We remain vindicated.

Abooki retards? No matter how much you try your innate hatred for him and his tribe always show. I disagree with him based on principle and his policies. I harbor no hate for any law abiding citizens of Nigeria.

FakeUnity:
Muric man, The yoruba muslim fanatic that prays everyday for more fulani muslim emirates all over yorubaland.

I laugh in 'yorubas are united'. Kikikikikikiki!

One renegade with his own one man organization means Yoruba are not united? Have you ever seen another member of this mumuric organization?

FakeUnity:
The facts were there for all to see, we showed it to you, but you were only blinded by bigotry and hate for those of us who slapped these truisms to your face.

What facts? Many of you criticized him even before he stepped into the office, blinded by the same things you accused me of.

FakeUnity:
But yorubas supported all the electoral criminality the foolanis committed in 2015.

When we screamed about illegal child voters in the north, yorubas shouted 'sai baba!'

When we shouted about the influx of aliens through Niger, getting voters card in nigeria, yorubas chanted 'change'.

When we told them that foolanis won't relinquish power that easy, yorubas shouted 'March4Buhari! and bragged about the population of the Kano, Kaduna, Katsina alone wiping out votes in the South East and SS.

Midolian, ramdeuter, maclantunji, seunmsg, guestlander, legendhero, do I have an elephant memory or not?

Elephant memory ko, hyena memory ni. Only fools doesn't change their minds in the face on new facts and reality, a trait many of you share with Buhari himself.

Staphylococcus:
You heard?

Stop believing beer parlour news.

You not even sure of what you saying. You heard? Fvck!

You need to see your doctor.

Staphylococcus:
That will be so welcomed if he can do that.

Or make picketing permits more straineaous to get. We have lost millions of Naira due to this unwarranted protest.

If I would suggest, any group of people who seek to get protest permit should drop a $1,000,000 bond for unforseen damages which might arise due to the protest.

And leader of such society or organization must put hand to book to face prosecution if law and order is broken.

Anything outside this stringent rules, should be shoot at sight to any protester.

I heard some STDs can actually make someone go mad.

Monogamy:
Which street guy/guy man would keep the records of such deal involving a policeman on his phone?

Voice note, text chat or whatever

He apparently did, or the FBI got it from the phone company.

And he lied about the recorded phone conversations as well?
Kyari himself in a desperate attempt to defend himself said he was only acting as a middle man between Abbas and a tailor! How ridiculous.

It is not patriotism to cuddle criminals just because you are citizens of the same country. It is wrong to defend criminals just because you belong to the same tribe, or you are from the same family, that is not loyalty.

I think nothing will happen to him as well, this is Nigeria we are talking about. It took the FBI to out him. The system in Nigeria is incapable of purging itself.
A top cop who is a friend to all these people without any verifiable source of wealth.

BKayy:
Afonjas are still trying to link Ndigbo into the mess their Hushpuppi and Abba Kyari are in to.
Wicked set of people.

Air peace man nko? Invictus nko? Se na Afonja dey look for them?