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God's plan is so mysterious that even it doesn't know what it is going to do next

hopefulLandlord:
TBF there are atheist families too that use the same methods religious families use to teach atheism to their children although they're very rare, its just that its not as effective as scaring them with imaginary friends and afterlife so those children would most likely end up choosing their paths anyways

@emboldened, seriously? You mean there are atheist family that try beat religion out of their kids? How many have you met?

budaatum:
My home was atheistic when I arrived in it. Though both had Bibles, neither parent went to Church or prayed at the time, as they were too busy learning and earning their way. Ma was a nurse. Double pay on Sunday was more important than Church. And Pa a lawyer, was prepared to reason any illogicality out the park. You mentioned ordinary Father Christmas and you'd get books to read on the topic!

I was introduced to God when I arrived in Nigeria. Everyone did God! It was alien to me, but going to Church was the only way to get out of the house on a boring Sunday. So I became a church junky and reading the Bible just became the next logical step being that I am a reader anyway. What else after all does one do when the transformer in front of the house blows up and we got no power for three months. I began to understand how people around me reasoned when all my mates swore blind that oyinbo rats talk.

I think being born into an atheist home is similar to being born into a religious home except your ideology would be atheistic as opposed to religious. You get taught the path you should trod, and only the brave depart from it.

I was born into an atheistic home too and I can argue that, even by your write up, that being born in a religious home and an atheistic home are both very different things.

In a religious home you are forced to believe in god. Religious parents beat, starve, torture and can even disown their children for not attending church or mosque whereas in an atheist home you learn to view things with skepticism and like you mentioned your father made you read on such topics.

As an atheist parent the only thing I do for my kids is make them question whatever belief they pick up from society and research on those topics.

In religious homes usually the bible is the number choice for a read

yorubaboiy:
some pple av just decided not to av sense again.... like WTF are u saying

Why did you decide to join these people that have decided not to have sense?

bigocean:
Jehovah is not an illusion. He is real. Amama amasighi amasi(He whose ways cannot be known completely)

The same evidence you have for Jehovah is the same evidence for Lord Voldemort

bigocean:
the day we understand God is the day he stops being God.

Exactly. That is the whole idea behind illusions. It becomes useless after it is understood

MISEDUCATIONS:
then whose opinion matters?

No one's opinion should matter but facts should

bigocean:
hahn, when God bragged about how faithful his servant was, the devil took permission to afflict job with sickness and also take away his wealth to prove if job would still remain faithful. God permitted him but gave him a strict warning not to touch Job's life.

NOTE: God was aware what job was going to face in the hands of the devil. It was HIS WILL for job to go through it for the purpose of proving a point BUT he didn't put the sickness on job neither did he take away jobs wealth. It was Satan that did those(the cause)

God supposedly knows and created everything today, tomorrow and yesterday, right?

In that case god knew that when he was creating Satan that he will one day tempt job and blah blah blah. Also since everything is it's will, it is it's will for Satan to do those things because it is in it's power to stop it. Since it is it's will it was also caused by it.

Satan is simply the tool used by god to commit evil

MISEDUCATIONS:
yes.
and in your opinion where did the universe come from?

I don't think my opinion matters in such a topic

MISEDUCATIONS:
you'll confuse yourself trying to act smart.
your mother gave birth to you but that doesnt make her responsible for your actions.

Are you comparing my mother with a self acclaimed omnipresent, omniscient, omnietc creator of the universe?

IamPlato:
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Its Also God's Will For Grinded Pepper To Be In Your Head

And it's will to leave your head empty

MISEDUCATIONS:
ofcourse not. did you log onto Nairaland today because god caused you to?

You actually make sense.

That then implies god did not cause the earth or life to exist. Thanks

MISEDUCATIONS:
notice you did not say Everything is god's causation

So are you saying everything is not caused by god?

MISEDUCATIONS:
did you see god take the cancer, wrap it and address it to her?

Everything is god's will, isn't it? So it is god's will for her to have the cancer in the first place

cabilla:
thank god first miss

The same god that gave her the cancer?

Explorers:
Even if she worth it, name two men in Nigeria that can give a woman ₦700million diamond ring.

What kind of question is this? You should know my caliber and pedigree and you of all people should know I can give my wife such a ring.

The only problem is I do not have the money to buy the ring

splmosixx:
I prefer not to exchange words with you on this...


Jesus Christ has saved me several times, and I will keep calling on him and cover as many as possible with his blood....

@hahn,i cover your brain with the blood of Jesus, henceforth begin to reason like a normal being

Continue serving a failure. That is what failures do

splmosixx:
May God never us die untimely death....

We shall not ply the road, when the road is hungry for blood....

I cover myself and everyother nairalanders with the blood of Jesus

The same Jesus that could not save the many people that died? When will you people start using your brains?

Lukuluku69:
In that wise, it would be safe to say our delusion is Universe-wise?

Universe-wise Universal. Well this is all based on assumption

The only fact is that religion is motivated by delusion

menesheh:
What would you do to a neighbour who is always threatening and ready to fight you where you ain't interested.

I have this neither who always do this and I feel like inviting the police. I see fighting as an uncultured and childish way of living.
This is really getting out of hand.
Engaging the police the best solution?

Which one be neither ogbeni?

Report to your landlord.

Can you give us an example of what brings up your arguments?

Lukuluku69:
Suppose these extraterrestrials fear the unknowns, fear for their afterlife too and are looking for comforting "beliefs" and as well want to feel good, could they be as religious as we are here on Earth?

Sure.

Religion is a product of fear and ignorance

Religion exists mostly because of fear, fear of the unknown, fear of the afterlife and also because it is comforting and makes people feel good. It has nothing to do with logic.

Therefore in the event that we discover alien life theists will only attribute it's existence to their gods.

Think about it, despite all the evidence against religious notions, despite all the contradictions in their "holy" books, despite the fact that their gods are incompetent and professionals at playing hide and seek, despite the ridiculous and childish stories used to back up religious nonsense people still believe in them simply because it makes them feel good, gives them a sense of power over "sinners" ie people who don't believe in their own version of god etc

That said religion will continue to thrive as long as people remain gullible, choose to be intellectually dishonest and are incapable of facing reality

falcon01:
so he is mad?

Just like the pastor of Lord's Chosen and his congregation

OLAADEGBU:
"And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee" (Deuternomy 7:15).

"With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him My salvation" (Psalm 91:16).

The promises above is the heritage of all children of God. Why then do you want to die before your time?

About 29,000 children under the age of five – 21 each minute – die every day, mainly from preventable causes. More than 70 per cent of almost 11 million child deaths every year are attributable to six causes: diarrhoea, malaria, neonatal infection, pneumonia, preterm delivery, or lack of oxygen at birth.
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UNICEF - Goal: Reduce child mortality
https://www.unicef.org/mdg/childmortality.html

What is your god doing about these kids that die daily?

Rich4god:
A society that works...

That's all

If na naija they would both be standing at check points collecting bribe

Many men fail to live up to their responsibilities as fathers. If I had a picture of my father I would print a similar shirt and wear it daily

frank317:
Saved from what?

From the ability to use his own common sense

daryoor:
Read what i wrote again, if u still dont understand, give someone else to read it for u

Fvck off with your pseudo intelligence please

daryoor:
Before the holy roman empire Christianity wasnt a dominant religion, christains where the minority. How did the disciples die if they were never prosecuted as u are stating?

The stories of the apostles in the bible are still being debated over their authenticity and honestly the characters in the bible are mostly fictional. That said, the authenticity of even their existence is not even sure and thus it puts their whole story of persecution under suspicion.

The stories were probably formulated to invoke sympathy

U are talking about an atheist in wealth. Why are u adding conditions to butress your weak point. An atheist with any special source of influence wether wealth or power, in this nigeria will be a target for ridicule and be ostracized.

Name one atheist that is rich and that has been ridiculed

If u are a christain and u stop going to church, you are calling for an intervention from family and friends, talk less of claiming there is no God. All the believers will take your soul as a personal objective.

What has this got to do with the conversation?

bloodofthelamb:
You don't know what it means to be a christian. You might no what it means to be religious but you certainly don't know what it means to be "born again."

If knew you won't be here today typing that, "there is no God."

You don't know what it is to serve Odin/Sango/Thor/Zeus/Allah/Buddha/Krishna. You might no what it means to be religious but you certainly don't know what it means to be "born again."

If knew you won't be here today typing that, "Jehovah is high."

daryoor:
Simply because...

Initially christains we being persecuted

Persecuted by who? The same Christians behind the Spanish inquisition, crusades, burning of "witches" and slavery?

Now they are the ones doing the prosecuting.

As usual

If im lying come out of your atheistic closet and see how your collegues and family will take it well

Christians worship money. Even if one is an atheist they will still kiss your ass, collect your money and then pay tithe

rekinomtla:
And you wonder why religous people dislike atheists. Yeah, I'm sure most people would admire those who say they devoid of all reasoning merely because they are an adherent of a religion.

But theists look forward to adherents of other religions other than theirs and atheists including women and children burning in hell for eternity. Wouldn't you say that there is a certain lack of reasoning that enables one to think this way?