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KingEbukasBlog:
Almost everyone knows God is genderless na

Really?

Then what's up with the "he said" ish? Since it is a thing

KingEbukasBlog:
[b]The Supreme Being is genderless [/b]and cannot have any sexual urge since It does not have biological compositions .

Finally, someone agrees with me. That is why I refer to it as "it" and not as "he". At least we agree on something

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro , you really need to understand that Jehovah abominates the prayer of a sinner - a debauchee like you

Actually, I think he was lying, as usual, and is busy watching porn and mastoobating. As usual

KingEbukasBlog:
Well let's see it . What'd be my response .

I am trying to call Jehovah but he put me on hold. He said since the TB Joshua issue, he takes his time

PMIcon:
And you think this is religiously motivated? You don't know politicians.

Religion is a tool in the hands of politicians.

"Without religion, the masses would kill their leaders"

johnydon22:
It was fierce and challenging and very interesting, enjoyed every bit of it.. Here are few pictures..

1)My argument/rebuttals
2)Answering question from the audience

If i lay my hands on the video i will also share [i'm the one on red sweat shirt]

Cc. Loj, Lordnicklaus, DeepSight, 4Kings, Shollyps, Kratoss, Wiegraf, HcPaul

I really want to hear you debate. You should invite me to debate as a non scientist too some day

There have actually been several threads on this issue.

The bone of contention, especially from the Christians, is the the "oath" you are supposed to give to be swear to to be able to comment on the Muslim section of the religion section and also the fact that the Muslims have a section all to themselves.

And the Christians also want theirs.

Even some atheist have also requested for theirs. The irony

For one reason or the other, Seun has refused to give in to any demands.

But I think I have a solution so that no one will feel threatened.

Seun should delete the religion section enitrely

Before you say ahhh, here are my reasons

1) There is no proof either god is real: In this country, you are either Muslim or Christian and there is no proof that either of their gods, Allah or Jehovah are real. If there is, I am yet to see any.

2) They disagree with each other: Even though they seem to tolerate each other and they will even go ahead to tell you that "Allah" and "Jehovah" simply mean "God" in Jewish or Arabic. Igbe Malu But we all know that neither of them will pray to the other god and according to the Christians, all Muslims are going to hell for not believing in Christ and Muslims see the concept Christ as the sun, , of god to be deplorable.

Even here on nairaland, the insults traded between Christians and Muslims is totally alarming. I wonder if their god will be proud of them

3) They are both full of lies: And I might add, stories for little kids. Flying horses, angels, virgin birth and other bullshit are fine when we admit, as adults, that they are fairytales and myths but when we start defending these lies that they are actually true, then we have a problem.

4) Religion has no benefits to Nigerians: Despite the fact we have a church or mosque on every street, we experience bombings, extra judicial killings, rapes, murders, looting of public funds by corrupt leaders(often endorsed by pastors and imams), lack of infrastructure etc

Religion divides us. Christians have over 33,000 denominations and feel every other denomination is going to hell and the Sunnis and Shiites love cutting each other's throats. It is not bad enough that we have been unable to unite because of tribalism, we just have to add religion to the mix. So, after deciding what village I am from, we will have to then confirm my religion and if I am either RCCG, Chosen or JW.

A country whose citizens cannot unite on common grounds can never excel

With all that said, it is safe to say religion is bullshit and should be thrown in the dustbin of ancient and savage beliefs. And should also be banned from nairaland.

Although I will miss the arguments and the futile attempts by theists to defend their fairy tales

My 1 kobo

Seun:
There is a great difference between having sex with animals and having sex with a fellow human being. You can't compare the two at all.

But human beings are animals. So ......

4kings:
Therefore Jesus is a state of Gnosis or consciousness.
Meaning an Historical figure is irrelevant, right?

Exactly. That is the essence of the character. To provide hope and an excuse to be hypocritical. That's all

Wait

Lol. Op, which areas did you go house hunting?

4kings:

Let me see what he comes up with

Oya na

elfmann:
That is d problem, doing illegal things and be bringing God's name in.

The hypocrisy that comes with religion is alarming

4kings:
What did u mean by this; "According to their atheistic views , there is no good , there is no evil"
What would you say for deism, pantheism and other unbelievers?


Atheism is simply the disbelief in God, what does it have to do with good or bad?

I can already predict his response

johnydon22:
naaaah none necessary, besides i wont have time to pilot it

How did it go?

JeffreyJamez:
Because of Benz. He's now "God-fearing"?

And they had been fvcking since

DoctorAlien:
One of the most debated topics in Christendom is the identity of the GOD of the Old Testament. This is understandably so because many doctrines are built on one perception of His identity, while others are built on another. Indeed, it can be said that the issue of the identity of the GOD of the Old Testament is a major bone of contention among the many denominations in Christendom.
Some say that the GOD of the OT is GOD the Father, while others say He is Jesus Christ. Which one is correct? We turn to the Bible to tell us.

Indeed, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Tim. 3:16

A proper and correct understanding of the identity of the GOD of the OT will revolutionize the way many Christians view and understand the teachings of the Bible. It would also serve to clear up some of the perceived controversial issues in the Bible.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)


2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:

Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Killed by a Lion
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

Killing the Good Samaritan
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)


3) Murdering Children

Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

Source: http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

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Pavore9:
Anyone who has matured trees of it in Lagos/Ogun rolls in good money because it is a premium vegetable in the market amongst the igbos and way expensive!

Where I live in Ogun state, the omo-oniles are busy selling their lands for real estate. I am talking about 1000s of hectares. They even sold so much to RCCG for their new business center

Pavore9:
Pterocarpus mildbraedii harms.

Interesting

Pavore9:
How many people purposely grow Oha now? Most of what we are eating now were met on ground! Growing up in Lagos, we had 3 Oha trees in our compound and had leaves for soup all year round as against the ones in the village that tend to be seasonal. We did regularly sell to Igbo market women who sell soup condiments in our neighbourhood rather than them depending only on the ones coming from the East.

What is the English or botanical name for oha?

Pavore9:
Even if their children dey carry last for National common entrance, NECO, WAEC, JAMB, e no concern them....Operation 90 Mosques we must be build despite their very low human capital development!

And they will have the audacity to argue that religion is not a problem

Gboyee4fun:
your choice, your problem...

May Satan watch over you as you go to sleep. Amen

Good night

Gboyee4fun:
lol, yeah Jesus may not exist to you, but He exist to us and that's our FAITH, so what's your problem?

The same problem you would have if someone starts worshiping Santa Claus

DeepSight:
Do you know, this is the first time it is occurring to me that the pages of the old bibles are usually light just like Rizzla.

Hian!

I took a break from smoking for some months now though but then, i wasn't wasting money on rizzla. It was in those time I truly felt connected to the most high

I started at the book of revelations(al lot of things were revealed) and stopped at the book of James

johnydon22:
I'm here now, they are setting up the camera

Create a thread already

DeepSight:
Strikes you dead and drowns you (in the earth, six feet deep)

Yes. We all die eventually. If that is what you mean

DeepSight:
But its inevitable anyway.
God does this to everyone.

To all his creatures.
You cant escape it.

Does what exactly?

Image123:
God or Jesus being the same yesterday, today and forever according to Hebrews 13v8 is NOT the same thing as God changing His mind. The Bible no where interprets or alludes such. God is the same forever in the sense and context of being Holy, righteous, eternal, all powerful etc. This is different from God making decisions on man. If a man is a sinner today, God is angry with him. If the man repents tomorrow, God changes His mind. You draw near to God and God will draw near to you. God can choose a Saul today, and tomorrow choose a David. God can bless a Levi today and if his children misbehave tomorrow, He can cut off such blessing. In that sense, God changes His mind. This takes nothing away from His righteousness, His eternal Godhead and government. And like i said, He doesn't change His mind every 5 days like TB implied in his statement, God is not fickle.


Two things. One, i did not insult you but sorry if you felt insulted. You were indeed deliberately drooling in foolery to twist my words and insist that i said what i never said. You were only being mischievous despite your age.
Two, it is either Jesus doesn't exist or He does. Does He? What makes you think He would be proud, does He exist? Why care so much on the emotions of a person you claim to either not exist or to be dead? Are you afraid what He thinks of you?

Your god and Jesus don't exist.

Look at it this way. When you are trying to explain spiderman to a child who think it's real, you might say "spiderman doesn't exist". Does that mean you think spiderman exists?

johnydon22:
Baba i made a mistake oo... na 10th of November.. today!!! by 6pm

Updates please

raphieMontella:
you do not know the curse you are bringing upon yyourself...
My God will strike you dead...
He will drown you like he did to those sinners in noah's days...
Watch and see

Lol. I am waiting

DeepSight:
Lol

Okay. . . .

But which stories in the bible do you find most annoying?

I will start with mine -

1. Abraham asked to kill his son Isaac in order to show faith

2. Ananias and Saphirah: fall down and die because you donate a part of your own earnings to the church.

The whole bible is annoying.

In my house I either use the pages to roll weed or use it to tilt my fan. At least it is useful in these instances

johnydon22:
I have been going over this board from day to day without really contributing, reason because most of the topics are either irrelevant to me [doesn't concern or tickles my curiosity] or it is simply cliche - something i have gone over time and again during my "very active days"


So it all seem boring and uninteresting to me and i yearn for some fun here at least something intellectually, philosophically challenging.


I remember as a kid in primary 6 i always thought teachers to be more important than Doctors, i still do actually but during our school debate my teacher made me argue for Doctors.

Which brings me to the purpose of this thread, lets for once leave our comfort normal zone and argue from opposite perspective than we normally do - lets swap role.

The debate is

Does God exist?

The idea is that someone who do not believe in God would swap role and argue that God exists with his points and same Goes for someone who hold a belief in Gods - lets see how well we do it out of our comfort zone

This is sorely an intellectual exercise, just to do something differently for fun - so arguing for God or opposite does not affect or change your default position..

To start - first state your default position and then state the position you'd argue for in this thread..

I'm hoping to have real fun here!!!

For the people in Enugu, there is a live debate by thinkers Pub hosted by MrAnony on this same topic [Does God exist?], i will debate live on that day [As an atheist this time ]

If you'd like to see me argue live and get to see a smashing debate, you are free to come and watch.

Date : 10th October 2016
Venue: Golden Toast Restaurant independence Layout Enugu
Time: 6pm prompt]

Has this debate taken place already?

Updates please