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EgunMogaji2:
My aluminum window guy did this to me.

Next time I’ll be buying the materials.

Sorry about your experience Baba.

ChybuzzDD:
I think complaints and their defense should be detailed and in one piece respectively, so that it'll be easy for others to read, understand and make their own inputs.

You guys are both writing in a hurry and making the write-ups unreadable with lots of grammatical errors.

But, mehnn!, Nigerian artisans no be am at all. I'm currently battling with my POP guy now after over 4wks of paying him more than 3/4 of his total bill for a 5-bedroom project.

2. Once they get majority of their money for the project, you'll be the one chasing them around to do their work.

This has to change.

Chai... Sorry about your Pop experience.

I think the Majority of the Problem for the second bolded is because most artisans/workers/contractors receive more jobs than they can handle: FOR example = An artisan/contractor getting 2/3 or even 4 jobs within the same time / closer time frame and not knowing, how to effectively manage it. What he/she does is to collect money from all 4 clients, & promise all the 4 client ,to start work by Monday which is impossible. So He decides to start client A work first because his pay is higher, he would then give client B , C & D excuses until client A works enters week 2, he would leave client A job & start doing client B work for three days & then jump to client C work, then client A would be complaining about his uncompleted job, while client B would be complaining about how he abandoned his job & Client C would be complaining about how it took so long for him to start his work & client D would be complaining about being defrauded, the Artisan would eventually have to return client D's money (which he might only return 80% because he already spent 20% from it). A worker collecting 90% of his money before the start of a project, does not stop him/her from being responsible, Negligence of duty & irresponsibility is a choice (A bad one at that). it falls on the individual.


Why these Artisans/contractors/workers behave in this manner? it's because of greediness caused by poverty (while some are not caused by poverty, they're just naturally greedy & irresponsible).

Their Mentality (for behaving that way) is: i don't want to lose any of these potential jobs by prospective client, So the only way to keep this jobs, is to collect money from all the client, so they won't give the job to another Person.

The result of such behaviour: They'd end up losing all the jobs & clients.

The Solution Artisans/Contractors/Project Managers/WorkMen should not take more than they can handle. it's not bad to say “Please Sir, I have a project at the moment, I would not be available to start a new one until two weeks, if you're not in a hurry, I would be available in two weeks, but if otherwise, you can contract to someone else, am available if you have any questions, Thank you” you can have pending jobs, so inform potential new clients about it. Be truthful about your availability & Time frame.
On clients part: Please always try to ask workers about their availability for your job, don't be in a hurry to start, it's not bad to ask whoever you're contracting if he/she has job at the moment or pending jobs. Be sure about their availability.

My own Approach I attend to my clients on a first come first serve (FCFS) basis. And usually Truthful about my availability, if there is a change in time, I quickly notify my clients about it.
I learnt this from past experience (things I witnessed from others) & Am still Learning as it help one grows, I Learn & Apply.

Nota Bene: My comments / long epistle is about “Workers not doing clients job at the right time -client chasing workers to do a job they've been payed for! - Workers absconding with Client's money - workers delaying client's job for days/weeks before starting after receiving payment without any reasonable excuse!.” My comments are not directed to a particular person, directly or indirectly. My comments is addressing a general issue , directed to all clients & all of us: Artisans/Contractors/CraftsMen/Engineers/Operations Managers/ Project Managers/Vendors/WorkMen.

We all make mistakes & no one is ever Perfect, but the ability to learn from mistakes & grow from it makes one Unique.. ✓✓✓

EgunMogaji2:
Congratulations.

Mo jeri eyin oni pop, won bi iya eyan kile ma doti

Baba egba wa be nah....

Drdreluv:
Hello house


I contacted a pop man to do a job for me and he charged #6000 per SQ meter for labour and material, like two bags remain and he is insisting he will go with it, is that how it's done ?

Good Morning Sir, He owns the remaining bags, because it's a contract.

If you paid for labour only, you own the remaining bags.

EgunMogaji2:
I can’t do it. In fact I don’t even want Epe anymore.

Ibadan is for me.

Lagos will fit you sha✓

KolaShangOne:
Egun has seen the light

Currently on a 4 bedroom bungalow project and we are past 15million naira mark ..

But as QS said, building cost depends on ALOT of factors..

I concur.✓

bobkezel:
Lwkmd
I don die oooo
Chiarman you don win...
I surrender
@hamtabfawaz comma carry your comrade oo

dapotemi:
Pls can I use this type of ceiling for a shop, passage area , kitchen and toilet? What is the name, the PROS AND CONS..Any info will be appreciated...

Yeah.

PVC

Pros: The installation of PVC ceiling design is easy and does not create a dusty environment during installation. easy & clean installation Process.

Easy to maintain & very light in weight. (Maintenance: Take a damp cloth to clean) / I'd say it's maintenance free)

BAD = Beautiful , Affordable & Durable.

PVC ceilings are water-proof, termite-proof and do not allow the growth of mildew

Cons: Can be damaged when subjected to high heat.

Joint Spaces are visible.

Fire resistant? (I don't think so) because, it's like plastic.

Pvc is good enough✓
Hope this helps.

chairmanawe:
Good evening Gurus and bosses in the house. Pls I need clarification between gypsum board and pop. Which one is better, durable and cost effective for a residential building. Your prompt response will be appreciated. Thank you

Pop vs plaster board/Gypsum board
https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/general-topic-thread-to-discuss-anything/2171#101299574

capetownboyz:
Am in need of a carpenter that works on island ..ajah precisely ..

Mr Ismail: 0809 565 7286

twinskenny:
cool guy

Thanks Chairman✓.
God Bless you✓.

EgunMogaji2:
If you’re near in the coming weeks can we get together and discuss my kitchen?

This is what I want.

Thanks.

Sure Sir.


No problem, it's achievable✓

PrimeQuay:
Nice designs , do you offer kitchen design , I have ideas I will like to execute

Thanks

Yeah Sir.

09122348437

MrOkenwa:
Thank you.

You're welcome Sir.

EgunMogaji2:
Just the cabinet. 1 What are the dimensions? 2 Is it available in gloss black? 3 What fasteners do you use? 4 Are they visible and hopefully not L brackets? 5 Price?

Thanks.

Good Evening Sir.

1. The hanged one : 6ft wide by 2ft long
2. Yeah, it's available in Gloss black (HDF)
3. (Fastening to the wall)8 or 10
3½ inches long (fastening to each each other) 8 screws approximately 2¼ inch Long
4. it won't be obvious! We use L brackets for now! (I understand your concern, We use countersink bits, my guys misplaced it, would be placing an order for a new set soon).
5. Price for the 6by2 hanged? ₦100K (HDF Gloss)

bolu1986:
Bad pop cement
Maybe the board the cast is not thick enough or they didn't use enough filas....or there is wall breakage within the house??

Installing spot light shouldnt crack a pop...

Anyway they do what we called gnashing... It will solve it

The Bolded has a high tendency of causing a Thin line Crack.

MrOkenwa:
Bro, pls what’s the solution for a cracked POP ceiling?
It happened when the pop light was being fixed last year. I haven’t seen it myself but the tenant said that it’s now more obvious.

This probably occurred during the cutting of the POP to fit in the Pop light (which has a tendency of causing some cracks) . Sir, Kindly go to the tenant's apartment to see for yourself or ask if the pop was cut to fit in the light. (if possible snap & send here).


Possible Solution to a cracked Pop!: if it's minor crack, refill & screed with little amount of Pop cement!
If it's a large crack, mix pop cement with fillas, to fill strengthen the large space, so as to avoid further cracks.

EgunMogaji2:
I like all three.

Thank You, Sir.

Jeff68:
I like the 3rd one, how much is that?

Good evening.

Size: 8ft by 8ft
MDF (lower quality) ₦130K

HDF (stronger quality) ₦165K

Thenext:
Please I will appreciate if anybody can share here a simple, not common and beautiful TV console. I need one
Cc Egunmogaji, Hajj Muftau etc

There you go...sir

https://www.nairaland.com/6534100/interior-design-project/3#106947250

sonnie10:
The reserve is the case. Residential buildings have lesser occupancy numbers than commercial buildings. So in case of any incident, the impact is relatively lower.
This is one of the reasons it is considered for residential but commercial builds.

True.

diordaves:
Polystyrene is formed when styrene meets with pentane. So what is Styrene and what is Pentane? See the attached.

A house built with ICF will struggle to find insurance in the UK today after the Grenfell Tower fire in 2017. So many apartments in the UK cladded with polystyrene are practically worthless now. The flammable claddings were previously approved by the local authorities.

No. Polystyrene in homes in whatever form is not a wise decision.

Sounds right✓

sonnie10:
You remember the London apartment building fire? The polyethylene inside the ACM panels was cited as the “primary cause” of the spread of fire up the cladding. 1. All these synthetic materials from crude oil are flammable.2. It is believed that polystyrene can quickly spread fire and is not suitable for aluminum composite cladding.

Bolded 1: (synthetic materials) should it be considered for Residential building ?

2: Serious Area of concern.

EgunMogaji2:
On this POP issue. I’ll never use it again and will choose ready made gypsum boards.

1) Easier for repairs. For me.

2) Cleaner to install.

3) Regimented thickness throughout.

Only caveat is to watch out for potentially tainted Chinese ones.

Baba Egun & Cleanliness.

Morning Sir.

FEGEITOK:
I spent some time researching POP ceilings yesterday.

I think many of the vendors do not educate their clients on this. POP hates moisture. In short moisture ruins it. So, it must not be installed where there is a lot of moisture which is why it is not done outside - I don't know if it can be installed in the kitchen or bathroom though. It is also why you must have a non-leaking roof.

If you have a leaking roof, you are in effect wasting money if you install a POP ceiling without fixing that first.

One of the sources I consulted had this to say, please see the image attached

A real fact.✓

FEGEITOK:
This raises the question. When these guys install POP ceilings do they give guarantees like this will last 5 years before needing any maintenance at all or major maintenance?

I feel it's unfair to commit so much funds to something that looks aesthetically appealing but whose lifespan is unknown.

How then do we calculate ROI on the investment?

Of course things like water damage from a bad roof cannot be their fault, but what sort of guarantees if any are given?


Is the guarantee on paper? And will they stand by their work or is it a one off deal and the client will deal with the aftermaths of any wrongs done by the installer alone?

I have given a client of mine a “A Lifetime Guarantee” although we didn't have it on paper, But the client (Who has witnessed such situation of a falling Pop before) has not called me regarding any issues in two years. Now.

There are cases where POP fall to the ground completely causing serious accident if anyone is there at the moment.

Currently I'd give anyone a 10 years maintenance Guarantee (Maintenance: Repainting / Screeding)
& A Lifetime guarantee on the structural Part: it would never fall, except the client decides to destroy it.

If your house is experiencing serious structural building Problems, it would definitely affect your POP / Gypsum board.

Thenext:
Please who knows where I can get quality curtains in Lagos at affordable price.

Mushin or Yaba