Renman: So God told them to collect from Egyptian children,....baa Hahahaha...... So let even assume that they also collect from Egyptian children,.... So how will those those clothes size them For example, can your cloth size me or can my cloth size you Can't you see your funny logic holds no water!!!
Think bruv!
Thiiiiink! I am sorry I cannot go on, because I am losing brain cells here.
Clothes were like tunics for children. Bubu or Kaaba ( as Yorubas calk it).
If it did not size them, they could decided to take it or not.
What mattered most was the gold! Clothes would wear out, gold would not.
So who cared about some foolish clothes.
Besides, the Parents obviously took things for themselves-- who wouldn't. I do not see where they were told not to take things for themeselves?
I think only a dumbo wouldn't and if you say you wouldn't, then... you gerrit?
Also was it when they were plundering the Egyptians before escaping, that they started putting holes in their Children for ear rings? 🤣
If I imprison you for 35 years and then suddenly release you, but ask you to tak what you want before you leave... won't you grab and run.
You would also put your most prized possesion where?
On you of course-- money, your phone, your watch and jewelry if you have any. Anything else can go into a bag.
If the bag gets lost, your valuables don't. You keep them on yourself.
So they wore the jewelry and pinned it to their ears and noses so it would not get lost! Such that it was not even that easy to remove when they had to.
I cannot for the life of me understand why Jewelry can be such a big deal to you.
With all the things going on in the World, Jewelry will be the most important thing to God?!
The same God that made them build him a Temple of outlandish wealth? The same God that made his High Priest wear gems in his breastplate?
The same God that bragged he clothed his children with precious metals?
If you cannot understand, I can't help you! Yoir mind is just dark!
When Jesus comes back with a Crown, refuse to follow him because of it.
...and so you know, I don't wear Jewelry. Just saying.
Renman: Now let me shock you.....they also collected clothing from the egyptians in addition to the jewels and God said they should put them upon their sons and daughters..... Then if you think it means that they are to put the earrings on the ears of their sons and daughters Then it also means that the sons and daughters were wearing the clothing of the Egyptians too...how can a child be wearing the cloth of an adult...how possible Can your child wear your cloth and be comfortable or walk comfortably..Hahahaha ... You see your ignorance?
How can their sons and daughters wear all those things they collected from the Egyptians - jewels of gold and silver, rainments/clothes etc Do you know the quantity of the jewels of gold and silver they collected? Do you know the quantity of the rainments they collected too and other things they collected
Use your head! Common sense is not common!!!
Didn't the Egyptians have Children?
The most prized possesions then was Jewelry-- simple.
Life over 2000 years ago was not how it is today.
You could have been bought as a slave with just a few grams of gold, that was how valuable it was. That is even if they had it.
...and not everbody would have had valuable things.
Go to Museums the world over and see depictions of how people lived thousands of years ago. You can also see a few surviving relics of the past.
It was Spartan at best-- very basic.
So I don't know where you get your weird ideas from. Or you think everybody had gold, or people had it lying around like that?
I can't help you, you hear. I say again, you are not very smart and my brain has started hurting.
But please travel, go to museums, watch channels lile Discovery and History. Read! Watch Documentaries!
Renman: You still haven't answer the question.....
If upon and on are used interchangeably Then if I say put that chair on him, does that mean he is wearing a chair
And why did the women/wives and the men not mentioned together with sons and daughters
Because you can't wear a chair?!
Or can you?
Wow!
If I say put that crown on him, will you put it around his neck?
If I say put that shirt on him, will you put it on his head?!
You are doing my head in here! Can't you think?
About you other question, I don't know and it does not matter. They wore ornaments is all.
You are not very logical are you.
So if someone tells me, ' come to my house tomorrow and take plenty snacks and chocolate, let you children have as much as they want'
And you see me eating chicolate later, does that mean I was not allowed to eat out of the chocolate?
And the same person that asked me to come take chocolate later brags that he fed me and my children, so much that I did not want to eat chocolate for a year.
Does that still mean I was not allowed chocolate?
You are not the sharpest tool in the box, are you?
You know what, I have important things to do for now.
Renman: So if upon and on are used interchangeably Then what does that mean If I say you should put the chair on him Then does that mean he's wearing the chair Why didn't God said they should put the jewels of Gold and silver on the ears of their son and daughters if you think what God meant was that their sons and daughters were wearing it? And why didn't God also said the women/wives should put the jewels upon themselves if God wanted the women/wives should wear them
So you see that your blind argument doesn't hold any water!
There's no amount of exposition will free you from ignorance but prayers!!!
KJV (old English) says 'upon.'
NKJV says 'on.'
Other translations say 'on'
If you don't know that upon and on are used interchangeably, then I cannot help you.
If I say, 'put that chair on her' Then say, 'put that necklace on her'
Renman: Put something Upon and putting on something are they thesame
So if I tell you take this chair and put it upon him, what does that mean Chaiii....English na your mate
Now read Exodus 33:5-6 and see where they were rebuked for wearing jewelries!!!
Hahahaha,.... So God came down from heaven and started clothing them physically with jewelries etc right? Chaiii.... So the jewelry you are wearing, it's God that put it on you, right Infact what about the holes, God opened them for you to wear earrings/noserings etc baa?
God, you are so daft!
Aren't ' upon and on' used interchangeably?
Besides wasn't 'on' used hear.
So if I say, 'put on your shirt or shoes,' it means put on your head?
Again don't be daft.
If God gives power to make wealth, can we say he made them wealthy.
Also if he gave them power to wear jewelry, can we say he clothed them in fine clothes and jewelry.
You are not very sharp is all I can say... And it is evident in your submissions.
I am SURE you did not do very well in school. I am also sure you cannot hold a meaninful conversation in any matter asides the scripture you claim to understand.
If you engaged in lateral thinking, it would show. I am sorry to say it does not appear you do.
Renman: You will keep being in ignorance if you keep reading the bible like a novel.
Go back to where God told them to borrow jewels of gold and silver from the Egyptians and show me where God told them to wear them
God told them put them upon your sons and daughters!!!
Now what i expect you to ask instead of arguing blindly is, how come did Aaron told them to break the earrings on their wives ears and bring them to him whereas God never told the wives to wear them rather they should put them upon their sons and daughters? That should tell you that while on their journey they later took them and wore them which God never commanded them to do so from beginning but since you are ignorant, how would you understand
Don't worry, any time you come, I'm waiting for you... Your ignorance needs to be exposed the more!!!
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Wow!
What School did you go to?
So if I ask you to put on a shirt, it means you put it on your head?
Are you daft?
So if God asked them to put Jewelry on their Sons and Daughters, it means he asked them to put it on their heads?
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So you put a gold chain or one ear-ring on a 2 year old child's head? So he will hold one chain on his head and start walking around like Egbere.
Are you serious?! 🤣 Like really!
Does this make sense to your religion-destroyed mind?
And was there anywhere they were rebuked for wearing the Jewelry? Rather than that, another passage mentions where God says, he himself clothed them in Jewelry, but this still does not sit with you. You describe it as an Idiom.
Renman: Go back to school and learn what idiomatic expression is!!!! [b] When God told the Israelites to collect jewels of gold and silver it was for their payment of servitude and to provide for the construction work in the wilderness and not for them to wear them. Infact when God told them to borrow the jewels of gold and silver, He didn't tell them to wear them but to put it upon their sons and daughters for them to carr[/b]y.
Are you a slave If slaves Are required to have a hole on one of their ears during the time of Moses and now we have Jesus as our master, has He subjected anyone to be slave except you want to become slave to satan where you want to subject your self to pains just to hang a lifeless metal on your ears, nose, tongues, naval etc
During the time of Christ, Christ and His followers all wore shoe, cloth, etc Yet none of them wore jewelries or any worldly adornment.
Shoe is to protect our feet when walking on the road, cloth is to cover our unclothedness!!!
What is the purpose of wearing jewelries on your body?
Phone is for communication - communication is a necessity. Phone wasn't existing in the time of Christ. And if it was existing, they would have used it.
When God told the Israelites to collect jewels of gold and silver it was for their payment of servitude and to provide for the construction work in the wilderness and not for them to wear them. Infact when God told them to borrow the jewels of gold and silver, He didn't tell them to wear them but to put it upon their sons and daughters for them to carr[/b]y.
You mean this?
They carried it on their heads bah?
It's you that needs to go back to School! 🤣
Just give me until Wednesday, then I will have your time fully.
Besides, I did not say slaves, but ex-slaves. A slave would not wear jewelry.
Renman: Jesus used an expression we all can understand by saying "He will come as a thief"..... Does using the word "Thief" to describe His coming means that it is good to become like a thief God can use anything we understand to explain something like parables to make us understand not that using it means He is okay with it. Did God opened your ears, nose for the purpose of wearing earring or nose ring Yet He opened your ear, nose, mouth, anus for the purpose of hearing, eating, perceiving, talking and defecating. After God created man, He saw it and said it was very good without opening the earlobe or the nose for the purpose of wearing earring and nose ring!!!
Jewelries, makeup/face painting has been existing during Jesus time.... So how many gold did Jesus or His followers wore when they were on earth Yet they wore cloth, foot wears etc - Wearing of gold/jewelries is never the custom of the Israelites but the heathen nations!!!
When you read bible like a novel, you will never understand it!!!
Did God clothe the Isrlaeites or not. Did hebprovide them with food. So why could he not have provided them with Jrwelry? When the bible says so?
Did he ask them to collect Jewelry from the Egyptians when they left Egypt as payment for their work. Did they wear it or not?
Did Moses command people to make a hole in the ex-slaves ear and put a ring in it?
Did Kings wear Crowns? Is that not Jewelry.
Did God ask that Shield made with Gold be out in his temple? Was the Ark of Convenant not made with Gold?
Is God heathen too?
Did Aaron not wear a tunic with gemstones as the High Priest?
Was the Temple not adorned in Gold?
Did Solomon not make Silver as cheap as stones when he was king? What do you think they made with all of that?
Have you heard of the star of david? Did people make ornaments of it or not?
Renman: You are confusing yourself the more! You read bible the way you read a novel. The passage you quote is an idiomatic expression... God was not physically putting earring on anyone's ear or nose ring on any ones nose etc. God was using the way the heathen nations decorate themselves which is understood by the Israelites to explain how He has blessed the Israelites with natural resources like gold, silver etc.
Back to 1Timothy 2:9 - it's very clear "NOT WITH"
Not with gold/jewelries, broided hair, costly pearls etc
Infact, why didn't God opened your ear or nose during or after creation if He actually wanted you to wear earring/nosering
Besides, can you point any new testament saint that wore jewelers or painted her face Infact how many gold did Jesus wore when He was on earth This is how you guys will carry ignorance and enter hell because your so called pastor's don't care about your souls!!!!
You are not very smart.
Why would God use an expression of wearing Jewelry if he was not okay with it.
Why did he not use an expression he despised to describe it-- such as sleeping with you Mothers or something very abonimable.
He talked about how he clother them, fed them, covered them and adorned them with Jewelry; but you jump all the others and capitalize on Jewelry alone being idiomatic expression.
You are very silly!
Did Moses ask Israelites to put Ear-rings on freed slaves or not?
Have you read the link I posted-- it has archaelogical evidence. Ancient Israelites wore Jewelry!
You ask if Jesus or the Nee Testament peeps wore Jewelry or not...
If they did not wear, the New Testamemt would not use Jewelry and braiding hair to describe how they shiuld comport themselves.
If I may ask, whay kind of shoes did Jesus wear? Were his sandals ankle lenth of calf length?
So if the Bible does not say, means he went about with bare feet.
So if the Bible does not mention it, it never happened?
How daft is that.
So if a Christian Saint write letters to his Congregation today and those letter are seen 800 years after...
If he does not mention he used a Phone or watched TV, or went to the Gym in those letters, it means he didn't do these things.
Moreso if God wanted us to be circumcised, why did he let us have foreskin?
If he does not want us to have long hair as men, why does he allow our hair grow continuously? Or our nails?
Why allow us have Acne and armpit hair that will make you stink.
...and as he did not born you with shoes, why do you wear shoes.
How daft can this be?
Better you start living like Amish people who don't even use electricity and still ride Horses.
Fortune118005: My point is that it is not in the Bible that Esther wore gold or make-up as you said before.
Let's even leave the old testament, read 1 Timothy 2:9-10
1 Timothy 2:9-10 KJV [9] In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; [10] but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
You don't seem to be very bright.
Did that passage ask women not to braid their hair or wear jewelry.
Don't your women braid their hair now?
You conveniently omitted that to suit your narrative and jumped on the others.
Note the commas and semi-colons to understand what was being said.
He talked about humility and character. Modest apparel, shamefacedness and sobriety ( whuc he says is not about clothes), but with good works.
Do women teach in Church now?
You jumped that one too.
This is Ezekiel 16, God says he adorned his Children with Jewelry.
In the Old Testament, a freed slave had an Ear-ring put on him.
Also check this link-- copy and paste in your browser:
womeninthebible.net/bible-extras/clothes-ancient
If you still believe in your nonsense with these, then I cannot help you!
Blakjewelry: Going natural Doesn’t mean you should go old school na. Me I love ladies natural hair infact I like the feel of it but it doesn't mean you should leave the hair rough or go plait them grandma thread style. Though I sometimes see reasons with the women folks because they do complain that natural hair is hard to care for. On the makeup aspect I love semi natural makeup, like those that matches your skin tone with nice lipstick and eye make up to match not those masked type make, it is totally disgusting.
This woman has natural hair, takes care of it and is very beautiful.
I love natural hair myself, but you should be able to take care of it.
Fortune118005: Esther 2:12 KJV [12] Now when every maid's turn was come to go in to king Ahasuerus, after that she had been twelve months, according to the manner of the women, (for so were the days of their purifications accomplished, to wit, six months with oil of myrrh, and six months with sweet odours, and with other things for the purifying of the women
This is King James Version, the version that all churches use to preach their sermons. There is no place here where Esther wore gold or make-up.
Read, research...
Read about ancient middle-eastern culture.
It says she had 12 months of purification according to the manner of women.
They bathed this woman in PERFUME for a WHOLE YEAR. A WHOLE YEAR!
When she entered a room, it smelled good. When she left a room, for a long time afterwards, it smelled good.
The prepared her for a whole year to meet the King, for one night.
So if thr women of that time wore jewelry and painted their faces, and the Bible says she was prepared in that manner (of women), how come Esther did not?
Even the Men wore jewelry. Their Crown was jewelry. Their Armour had jewelry Their swords had jewelry. Some of them wore ear-rings.
How much more their women.
Read, oga. Read about history. Travel...see the world. See other cultures. Watch Documentaries Google things! Watch Youtube.
themanderon: I don't have time for people like you in this new year. Read and pass if it makes no sense to you. The things of God is foolishness to them that perish.
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We go enter heaven together, so you know!
Your body will scratch you when you see people adorned in jewelry.
Moreso aren't aren't the streets of heaven paved with gold?
themanderon: Your mother has found Christ so its natural for her to do away with the things of the world. Beauty has different standards for different people so if she has peace within herself for how she looks who are you to question her? I have seen billionaires and millionaires in the Lords chosen who maintain a modest lifestyle and don't go around dressing loudly. We are the light of the world as Christians and we must not conform to the beauty standards of a dying morally decayed world. I pray the Lord opens your eyes to see. Those attachments and all is like telling God he did not make you the way you want. People are white, black, Hispanic, Arabs and Asians for a reason. Each one should maintain their identity and not try to look like the other. Stay black if you are black and white if you are white.
Billionaires in Chosen?
Like who?
Dangote, Bua or Adenuga?
I guess you don't shave your armpits or use deodorants too?
You most likely would have some B.O It is what it is.
Even Monkeys groom themselves.
If God wanted us to be as he made us, why do we clip our nails, brush our teeth, have showers?
So if a women goes bald, she cannot wear a wig because it is not her hair. Or if a woman has hair that is difficult to maintain, like the black womans' curly hair?
seborrhic: Obasanjo had his imperfections,one of which I assume is believing he knew it all and others were beneath or did not key into his vision,but he has been the best president Nigeria has had since this Republic. He laid the foundations of many of the institutions and framework of governance Nigeria is now using. He also had a penchant for being intolerant of corruption,if it was brought to his notice. Ditto YarAdua:He may have been weak with family,but the man had a determined vision and zero tolerance for not just corruption but shady affairs and abuse of office.I was even under the impression that if the man had lived long enough,he may not have tolerated the corrupt deeds carried out by his family,relations or cronies.This is the only Nigerian leader that openly declared his asset,without prompting and did a lot within the short time he led.He was the one that started the reform of the electoral system that has culminated in the progress we have today. Comparing YarAdua and Buhari in terms of integrity is like comparing peanut butter and sour margarine. I believe Tinubu may eventually sack Edu,but the challenge will be if he can keep up with the sackings because there is no doubt this goverment will rival Buhari's in terms of the looting that will take place.
Obj has been the best Presodent Nigeria ever had.
He was obnoxious at times, but he was that President that could stand shoulder-to-shoulder with ANY international leader, the World over.
deenee: Sir, I forgot to add that he also has the largest fertiliser plant in nigeria and currently building same in Brazil.
Choke on this!
P.S I don't know Dangote and I have never met him. But he is the largest employer of labour in tje private sector. Millions of families depend on him directly and indirectly for survival.
He single handedly opened up Ibeju -Lekki axis to development.
What has he done to Nigerians to warrant all the hate?
The apapa oshodi express was built by him, same with alot of other infrastructure. Why the undue hate?
Somebody was rejoicing on another thread that he is now number two richest person like the new number one sends them
Opans: your own, you watch people on TV and u av d audacity to say nonsense to people that have actually been there.
In ur so called TV life, do you see a police man or an FBI agent harassing a citizen and even saying they will lock him up and deal with him? Do you see governor taking one way in ur USA channel TV ?
These Governor will form Demigod here and when they get to the United States, they start respecting themselves. For ur info, I have slapped a former state governor on a plane to Chicago over confrontation and he settled with me amicably. He could have lock his generation up if it was in Nigeria... I guess you can't imagine.
The stupid governor broke the law too, does that mean the governor is above the law ?
On the other hands, police don't arrest and detain you more than 24hrs let alone lock you up. Who gave them that right ?
Btw, you're living in a lawless country with relative justice.
You are daft!
There are videos everywhere of Police harassing citizens in the US...
Even harassing other Uniformed men.
Besides how did BLM protests start?
If you slapped an ex-Governor, that is good for you-- clap for yourself.
If you don't reqlise the difference between a sitting Governor and an ex, shows how dumb you are!
Why don't you go slap a sitting Governor, if they won't lock you up and throw the keys away.
That is a Soldier in Uniform being pepper-sprayed by Police.
oluztx: Why are you running away after voting Tinubbu? Some of you Yorubaa that voted Buhari and Tinubuu should be banned from leaving this country. You must enjoy the nonsense you voted for out of tribalism.
He just got work with PWC in America and you are bleating! ...and that is after floating a start-up. You realise all these things will be on his CV for life?
ekelebeXstunner: Dude should’ve given the woman the full Beats By Dre experience. Them go dey there, inside air conditioned office, dey use pen sign away person life. I hate judges, politicians, policemen, bosses, bouncers and other idiots put in positions of power. The man’s case is one of keeping it real gone wrong. God knows how long he’ll stay locked up for this. Those white men were really protective. She only got shaken from the experience, nothing else. I’m expecting full bulletproof glasses for judges from now onward.
This is what I expected Mazi Nnamdi Kanu to have done when the Supreme Court did not release him the other time. This will give the judges the opportunity to sentence him to at least 20 years in Kuje Prison
They wee just kuku hang him the same day if he tries that!