My dear, the content is more important than the container. when it comes to the souls of man God can go any length to make sure that such people are saved. Women don't go to war but because of the importance of victory for Barak, Deborah had to follow him to battle which led to them winning the battle. God used Balaam's Ass to instruct him when he was backsliding. Don't limit God to what u read in the bible. Personal Knowledge and experience of him is all that matters. The bible is a fraction of who God is and that is y use need the Holy Spirit. Jesus knew this and that was y he told the disciples to tarry for it. Shalom

ibuildstuff:

How does this answer my question. So as e don reach the part that u cannot defend it's now things of the spirit.

My friend go n sit down, Timothy wrote what he wrote. We all read it. There's nothing like things of the spirit there.

Women has no authority in the Christian faith.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. I hope this answer your question. Shalom.

ibuildstuff:

Did u read that thing well?

A woman is not permitted to preach or have authority over a man, be it in a church or an online forum, it's not permitted.

Una go dey break laws for the Bible, u will go to hell.

I am a deeper life member also and I really thank God for the sound foundational doctrine I received years ago. Although I was religious then, going to retreats and other activities but not until I gave my life to Christ. Knowing God experientially is more superior than any Church philosophy.

Frenzy01:
I no longer believe in religion or going to church, this development is quite surprising due to my upbringing in a staunch Deeper life Christian home.

I find myself laughing sometimes unconsciously when someone mentions prayers as a solution to a problem.
Maybe this is due to the fact that I've prayed and fasted for years for a financial breakthrough but all to no avail.

When I see people that are less religious or morally corrupted doing well and presiding over the overly religious people, I feel bad the more.

I don't wanna believe anymore in chopping life for heaven, I wanna Live a good life also here on Earth.

I hope I'm not going over the board?
I hope everything is still normal with me?

That means what they want to steal is small

lomprico:


my point is that these thieves announce their coming.

That's d different between our Jesus and others. He coming is not to steal, kill and destroy but to take us to our heavenly abode. Shalom

lomprico:


you never hear of sina Rambo and Anini b4. abi 1 million boys gang?

That is not the modus operandi of thieves. Big dogs don't bark. Read about the biggest robbery in history. It was carried out perfectly without the knowledge of the CBB

highbee02:


Armed robbers do announce their coming, especially in state like Lagos

Acts 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
Acts 4:20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
These are the reasons why we are passionate about what we do as Christians as long as we are not operating in the dark or doing even. Please follow the winning team. Shalom.

illicit:


Then why disturb us


What if traditional worshippers and Muslims decide to emulate her, then we will never see any other thing again on NL, just preaching preaching on every thread

Just as thieves don't announced their coming before carrying out their activities that is how Jesus will come without announcing his coming.

vanida6:
@bolded line pls explain dat place for me.

This is not a church. Please allow her to do the needful because our souls must be save.

falcon01:
Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet.

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Toobie:



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My brother, the scripture can't be broken. When it comes to hearing God's voice, so many people have used this same Bible. If u read the bible very well, you will see many cases but the bible right from old testament to the new testament is still the same. If u say ur sister married a Muslim and you want other also to follow the same pattern,my hand no de.
When it comes to spirit filled pastor or minister, these days anybody can do that. Even Saul, Balaam etc also prophesied after backsliding but the bible still stands on the verse u quoted. Shalom[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=94214425][/quote]

My brother, thank you ooo. I wonder the kind of doctrine Christians developed these days. I have tried to convince them about these same issue and restitution but all to no avail. That is why these days,u find many online pastor supporting divorce and remarriage on social media using the doctrine of 'God's love' to mislead people that is God is so kind and loving, he will overlook this and that. We use be careful with the way we counsel people on social media.
There was an argument one time about a Christian marrying a Muslim and many so called Christian were saying it doesn't matter if love is there. I had to chat with the guy privately and yanked that wrong doctrine from him. Thank God he accepted. God will help us. Shalom

Righteousness89:


Nothing is to much to do For the Salvation of your Soul..

The 2nd and 3rd women are Concubines. They are not His Wife.

See Matthew 19. What is God is Male and Female.
Not Male and Females
Males and Female.

One Man one wife..

He has to Send the 2nd and 3rd to their Respective Parents..

He visits the Parents with his Pastor or Spiritual Guide and Let them know His Reasons. He also needs to Settle them.

The Children are His Children! So he may not send them away.

That is True Salvation..

Righteousness89:


Nothing is to much to do For the Salvation of your Soul..

The 2nd and 3rd women are Concubines. They are not His Wife.

See Matthew 19. What is God is Male and Female.
Not Male and Females
Males and Female.

One Man one wife..

He has to Send the 2nd and 3rd to their Respective Parents..

He visits the Parents with his Pastor or Spiritual Guide and Let them know His Reasons. He also needs to Settle them.

The Children are His Children! So he may not send them away.

That is True Salvation..

Thanks and God bless u. I don't know how to argue

madegreatbygrace:



Look my friend, the Christian life is not lived by observing a set of rules or commandments.

The only commandment given to the believer is love.

“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.”
‭‭John‬ ‭13:34‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Therefore, every action must be love-filtered. It’s not about being mandatory or not. It’s about love triumphing over laws. This love must also lead to peace.

You judge this for yourself. A Muslim married three wives. He became a Christian. You say this man should divorce the last two wives and maintain the first.

The question is, have you acted in love?

How would these two women feel? Certainly you’ll hurt their feelings and they will be bitter for the rest of their lives. Remember the Bible says love works no ill to his neighbor.

“But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.”
‭‭James‬ ‭3:17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


So, where is the love, and where is the peace?

I don try. Restitution na part of true conversion. Thanks n God bless u

Lukuluku69:



Give me references from the word of God and not what Paul think. To other Prophets, are they not from God? Their lives can't it mirrored God's Will? And if Christ is solely the example, he did not marry, so why do you marry or intend to marry?

Oga man (male), woman(female). Na English be the difference. Since we have divergent views, no problem. Thanks n God bless u.

shadeyinka:

I wish you could be specific with the scripture that says "one man one wife"!
Because all I know the scriputre speaks about is "God made them male and Female"!
Mk10:5-9
5But Jesus told them, “Moses wrote this commandment for you because of your hardness of heart. 6However, from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ 7‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”

Can you please explain the scripture below:
2Sam 12:8:
"And I gave you your master's house, and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given to you such and such things."


You said:
"So any other wives shouldn't cohabit with the first wife that was married legally or traditionally."
If a person unites himself with a prostitute and therefore becomes one with her, how much more a legally married second, third or fourth wife?
1 Corinthians 6:16
Or don't you know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."

You can argue all you want but you cannot argue against the scriptures. Here is God mediating in a case of Polygamy.
Deut 21:15-17
“If a man has two wives, the one loved and the other unloved, and both the loved and the unloved have borne him children, and if the firstborn son belongs to the unloved, then on the day when he assigns his possessions as an inheritance to his sons, he may not treat the son of the loved as the firstborn in preference to the son of the unloved, who is the firstborn, but he shall acknowledge the firstborn, the son of the unloved, by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the firstfruits of his strength. The right of the firstborn is his.

Should a Christian couple do IVF in the course of looking for the fruit of the womb?

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Philemon 1:18 If he hath wronged thee, or oweth thee ought, put that on mine account; 1:19 I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides. Thanks and God bless u

madegreatbygrace:



In the two other cases about Onesimus and Philemon on one hand, and Paul and the Chief high priest on the other hand, I can’t see anything called restitution .

A common theme in the Bible is the instruction to maintain harmonious relationships among brethren.

“If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Finally, brethren, farewell. Become complete. Be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.”
‭‭II Corinthians‬ ‭13:11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So, under the new covenant, our actions should be guided by “the law of peace “.

What Zacchaeus did what a clear mark of conversion. When u become become born again, the spirit of God within u bring conviction. You don't need anyone to teach all things but the Holy Ghost. If Jesus didn't say such doesn't mean it's not scriptural. Restitution means different thing to different people in different situation. It can be confession of wrong done to others like in the case of Paul in Act 23 or repayment of money like in the case of Paul pleading for Onesimus based on the wrong he has done to Philemon his master. The new testament believers understand it. Just as word Rapture is not in the bible literally doesn't mean it's not in the bible. If you don't believe it, no problem. Shalom

madegreatbygrace:


You have not stated , where in the Bible, we’re equivocally commanded to restitute. When i say “we”, i mean christians under the new covenant. Restitution was given as a law to the Jews under the old covenant. In the case of Zacchaeus, you must observe two things.

1. Zacchaeus was not a Christian, but a jew, and so was bound by Old Testament laws.

2. Jesus didn’t command Zacchaeus to do restitution. He offered to do it himself.

God law clearly state that one man, one wife. So any other wives shouldn't cohabit with the first wife that was married legally or traditionally. I used divorce there just like separation. I think that is fine. if you don't agree, no problem. thanks and God bless u.

shadeyinka:

Are you of the opinion that some moral laws have been abrogated since the old testament times? Are there some moral acts that used NOT to be a sin but now, they are sins?

Conjugal rights is in the scripture below:
1Cor 7:3-4:
"The husband should fulfill his [marital] duty to his wife, and the wife should do the same thing for her husband. The wife does not have [sole] authority over her own [physical] body, but the husband [also has his right to it]. And in the same way, the husband also does not have [sole] authority over his own [physical] body, but the wife [i.e., has her right to it, as well]."


God said: I hate divorce!

Mal 2:16:
""For I hate divorce," says the Lord, the God of Israel. "And I hate the man who does wrong to his wife," says the Lord of All. "So be careful in your spirit, and be one who can be trusted.""
1 Cor 7:27:
"Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife."

How come you advocate divorce?

The part you gave concerning David and Saul during the law which was before Christ came and gave us the bible injunction on marriage. I don't want to argue with u much coz I also ask my pastor friend in redeemed which also attest to what I was saying. If you believe that a man can accommodate more than one wife even after he is born again, good and wife.
The other part u quoted from d bible,the Bible was saying wife not wives. So I don't know where u saw husband performed his conjugal functions to his wives. Anywhere, u see husbands, u will see wives n vice versa. I am done with this argument

shadeyinka:

I wish you weren't as sentimental on this issue. Let's see what the Bible says and apply the three rules

2Sam 12:8:
"And I gave you your master's house, and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given to you such and such things."

1. Your question 1.
An unbeliever cannot understand the scriptures nor obey it. Everything he does before becoming born again is done in ignorance.
1Cor 2:14:
"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
2. Your question 2:
Since the believer cannot divorce them because they are his wives he has to continue to perform his conjugal duties to them.
1Cor 7:3-4:
"The husband should fulfill his [marital] duty to his wife, and the wife should do the same thing for her husband. The wife does not have [sole] authority over her own [physical] body, but the husband [also has his right to it]. And in the same way, the husband also does not have [sole] authority over his own [physical] body, but the wife [i.e., has her right to it, as well]."

your twisting of the bible is confusing coz i didn't see wives there. Let me ask u some questions:
(1) If as an unbeliever you are aware i mean u have fore knowledge about biblical doctrine concerning marriage that God is against polygamy and u went ahead to marry wives If man becomes born again, what should the person do to the wives?
(2) s=Since u said the man can't divorce them or the wives can freely divorce them, can he still be making love to them?

shadeyinka:
Careful not to form human rules and ascribe it to God.

A simple rule you can use to know if an act is a sin or not.
1. Moral Sin is not dispensation specific:
It cannot be a sin in the old testament and be righteousness in the new testament and vice versa!
2. Moral Sin is not Culture specific:
It cannot be a sin in Nigeria but a sin in America. It cannot be a sin in Israel and not be a sin in Ghana.
3. Moral Sin is not permissible irrespective of clan, age or pedigree:
It doesn't respect who you are. A President is not absolved of fornication because he is a president, neither is a pauper absolved of theft because of poverty

If you agree with the 3 points above, use it to decipher what is a sin or not especially if the bible is not emphatically vocal about it.

However, a true Christian live by this dogma even in the face of what is permissible but not expedient

1Cor 6:12:
"All things are lawful to me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any."

1Cor 10:23:
"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."

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The bible specifically addressed this scenario using a woman as a case study.
1. A woman who has an unbeliving husband should not separate from him except the man doesn't want her again
2. Only the unbelieving husband may put away his spouse on the guise of Christianity and then the believer will be free!

1Cor 7:13-15:
"And the woman which has an husband that believes not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God has called us to peace."

Application:
A man who becomes a Christian after marrying four wives cannot divorce them. However, the unbelieving wives could on their own choose to divorce him and as such, he would be free from the marriage with her.

Thanks Bro!

Read about Abimelech to Abraham and Isaac in Genesis, u will see another case of restitution, read about 1 Corinthians chapter 5, u will see another case of it. Restitution comes in different forms and ways. For example, Imagine as a born again child of God and you are married to a divorcee without knowing, once the true comes out and you fully know that she is a divorcee, u are suppose to leave her because she is another man's wife. That is restitution. Making wrong right.

Ezekiel36vs28:
Brother in Christ restitution is only done on property or money and not on wives.thanks

In the case of Zacchaeus, Paul when intervening in the case between Onesimus and Philemon, Paul when he insulted the chief high priest. They did restitution which a true mark of repentance. Restitution is making wrong right for past or present deeds It can be a various form depending on what has been done. It shows u have truly repented. u can't steal someone pen and u say u r born again n the pen is still with u. U will have to return back. Just as confession of sin is not justify, so repentance without restitution (if u have any) is true conversion.
In the new testament, the Apostles fully understand Christ's teaching on marriage, divorce, polygamy etc. and so they were very careful not to entertain such unlike what you have in the old testament which was the Mosaic law. As a Christian, it's one man and one wife not wives and that is why the bible said 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. that means d old tradition and lifestyle or practiced of the world should be clearly done away. U can't see Christian (born again) man born n call of God in the new testament with wives. Shalom

akan102:

Please give us biblical references and possibly quotations to support your view

In the case of Zacchaeus, Paul when intervening in the case between Onesimus and Philemon, Paul when he insulted the chief high priest. They did restitution which a true mark of repentance. Restitution is making wrong right for past or present deeds It can be a various form depending on what has been done. It shows u have truly repented. u can't steal someone pen and u say u r born again n the pen is still with u. U will have to return back. Just as confession of sin is not justify, so repentance without restitution (if u have any) is true conversion.

madegreatbygrace:




Where in the Bible, and under the new covenant, is a Christian mandated to do restitution?

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. He is our perfect example. If you live your life based on other prophets, u might not b save in this end time period

Lukuluku69:


The Bible is against Polygamy? How many wives had Solomon, David, Moses, Jacob? If the Bible is the standard, show me where God condemned Moses, Solomon, David, Jacob, Abraham for having more than one wife.

Just want how many politician will decamp beginning from councillors to state house of assembly. U will hear ' we were deceived', ' we never knew APC is a party of bad eggs'

The bible is our standard and Jesus is our role model. Going to church, giving alms,singing Christian songs or bearing a Christian name doesn't make u a Christian (Christ like). The bible is a against polygamy. No matter who u are,God is a respecter of nobody. Once u repent, u must do restitution. So if u have more than one wife,d one u pay her bride price first is d wife God recognised others will have to find the square root. Don't say our ancestors or grand parents did this or that. God will judge based on his word

Lukuluku69:


I am sure you know King Sunny Ade the Juju Musician? He has like 4/5 Wives. He regularly serenade the the RCCG G.O every Chrismas. Mind you, he has been a Christian All his Life.